Board 8 > All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 445: This is (Vince McMahon's) America

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I already was familiar with her from when she took an excursion to DGUSA
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The overall point still remains that the people who are still cheering for Reigns are likely women/children. We still here the let's go Roman/Roman sucks
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eaedwards6400 posted...

The overall point still remains that the people who are still cheering for Reigns are likely women/children. We still here the let's go Roman/Roman sucks

Not all that much anymore really
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Yeah, I haven't even heard any pro-Roman chants honestly. Just a bit of cheering and then boos, negative chants, or apathy.
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Irony of the day: WWE stock is skyrocketing because of the new TV deal rumors, but Vince sold a decent chunk of his stock months ago to fund the XFL
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As far as merch goes, you have to look at how much is available for each person too. My wife really wants Becky and Charlotte stuff, but what's available for the two of them on the shop is pretty minimal. Compare that to someone like Roman and he has so much more gear, so the odds of finding something you like for Roman are a lot higher than finding something you like for someone that has 2 or 3 shirts. It's not difficult for them to manipulate sales numbers by what/how much they offer for each person.
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RaidenZeroX posted...

As far as merch goes, you have to look at how much is available for each person too. My wife really wants Becky and Charlotte stuff, but what's available for the two of them on the shop is pretty minimal. Compare that to someone like Roman and he has so much more gear, so the odds of finding something you like for Roman are a lot higher than finding something you like for someone that has 2 or 3 shirts. It's not difficult for them to manipulate sales numbers by what/how much they offer for each person.

Well, right. That's why I brought up that Styles has a ton more merch than Reigns does
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RaidenZeroX posted...

As far as merch goes, you have to look at how much is available for each person too. My wife really wants Becky and Charlotte stuff, but what's available for the two of them on the shop is pretty minimal. Compare that to someone like Roman and he has so much more gear, so the odds of finding something you like for Roman are a lot higher than finding something you like for someone that has 2 or 3 shirts. It's not difficult for them to manipulate sales numbers by what/how much they offer for each person.

As Ryder sadly proved, if you want more varied merch for someone, you have to basically sell out their basic crappy merch first
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You know I almost got some WWE Stock a while back just after Vince sold some

I probably should've actually went for it huh.

Though looks like the time to get it was actually before the start of the year
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You should have. Then we could have blamed you for everything that's wrong with the WWE.
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RaidenZeroX posted...

My 28 year old cousin loves Roman because she thinks he's hot. She hates Bryan, Styles, and Owens because she does not think they're hot.

I had an adult female coworker who once famously hated cody rhodes and dolph ziggler because they looked like they belonged in twink porn and were also boring.
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wifebolo just generally judges people by their hair

she dislikes styles because his is too good
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she dont want none
she dont want none
good looking hair but thats why she dont want none
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Has anyone else heard of this Leslie Smith stuff?

She was a UFC fighter, ranked, on a 2 fight winning streak, and she had one fight left on her deal. They paid her (plus win bonus even) for that last fight without it ever happening, and then cut her.

Why? Because shes leading an effort to attempt to unionize MMA fighters.

So shes taking the matter to people who represent laborers to see what her chances are of fighting this in court.

Theyve told her theres nothing they can do, because UFC fighters are considered independent contractors, not employees. Sound familiar?

So she is taking the extraordinary step to get the courts to rule on whether or not it is fair for fighters to be classified that way.

CAN YOU IMAGINE the domino effect for wrestling if they rule in her favor? Would anyone from WWE take the leap to use that precedent to fight for labor rights in WWE?
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Jakyl25 posted...

Has anyone else heard of this Leslie Smith stuff?

She was a UFC fighter, ranked, on a 2 fight winning streak, and she had one fight left on her deal. They paid her (plus win bonus even) for that last fight without it ever happening, and then cut her.

Why? Because shes leading an effort to attempt to unionize MMA fighters.

So shes taking the matter to people who represent laborers to see what her chances are of fighting this in court.

Theyve told her theres nothing they can do, because UFC fighters are considered independent contractors, not employees. Sound familiar?

So she is taking the extraordinary step to get the courts to rule on whether or not it is fair for fighters to be classified that way.

CAN YOU IMAGINE the domino effect for wrestling if they rule in her favor? Would anyone from WWE take the leap to use that precedent to fight for labor rights in WWE?

This may give Vince a fatal aneurysm....

Shame

The potentual downfall is that UFC has a more reasonable case to call their fighters that than WWE does for their wrestlers.

Except during the promotion period for a fight, UFC doesnt really control their fighters lives, outside of the reasonable expectation that they dont do anything criminal or damaging to the company, and they cant compete in other MMA promotions.

WWE obviously is a lot more draconian about controlling their wrestlers at all times
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https://twitter.com/bulletclubital/status/997012682371809281?s=21
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I remember you saying that he was the babyface they needed that would be on the level of Daniel Bryan

but he is actually a way better heel to me, I enjoy him way more now.

I would say him, owens, and Miz are the top 3 heels right now
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Another gem from Zayn. It seems like he has a lot more fun as a heel (though apparently most people do)
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ScareChan posted...

I remember you saying that he was the babyface they needed that would be on the level of Daniel Bryan

but he is actually a way better heel to me, I enjoy him way more now.

I would say him, owens, and Miz are the top 3 heels right now

If you recall Bryan sort of was going no where before his Evil Vegan turn that led to the YES and then NO gimmicks.
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I think most of us are surprised by how good of a heel zayn is.

Guess years of hanging out with Owens paid off.
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I love heel Sami but I still get kind of sad remembering the only reason we have him is because they fucked up booking him so badly as a face. I was going to lament that he could have been another Daniel Bryan level Babyface, but DB was a heel before that too.
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Sami's finest hour as a face was Battleground 2K16.
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In WWE, you have to be a heel before becoming more than a one-dimensional face. I'm not exactly sure WHY, but that's how they do things.
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Strife2 posted...

In WWE, you have to be a heel before becoming more than a one-dimensional face. I'm not exactly sure WHY, but that's how they do things.

Or in Roman's case, you have to always be one dimensional, heel or face.
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https://twitter.com/timebomb1105/status/997337343915773953?s=21

All wrestlers need to promote their new merch similarly
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Huh, funny timing. I'm doing work for my job about independent contractor status.

Apparently the most persuasive decider for whether someone is an independent contractor is the right to control either the work to be done or in the manner of work to be done.

Unfortunately the case I'm working on is about truckers as independent contractors, so it's not quite as relevant (as a lot of the discussion is about government regulation). However, their wiggle room in this case was to claim they were actually independent contractors because their contracts allowed them to work for other companies, just with a ton of restrictions.

WWE and UFC wouldn't be able to make that argument and it would probably hurt their chances quite a bit.
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Independant contractor with a strict 6 month industry wide (and international) non compete clause has always seemed absurd.
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Other things of note:

While there is a line between autonomy with the performers, they are told essentially what they have to do and when in the vaguest sense and are required to show up for everything, so it's a toss up there.

Probably more damning is that they are paid a salary rather than pay-per-performance. If they were paid based on each time they performed, it would be more in-line with independent contractors since they would be independently doing work and get paid each time they do it (even if they were locked down to one business), but in WWE that's not the case. So they would be classified as employees in that sense.
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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

Probably more damning is that they are paid a salary rather than pay-per-performance. If they were paid based on each time they performed, it would be more in-line with independent contractors since they would be independently doing work and get paid each time they do it (even if they were locked down to one business), but in WWE that's not the case. So they would be classified as employees in that sense.

Yeah, this is what has always bothered me about WWE contracts. If they are truly independent, then at least go through the effort of making it look like they are being contracted for independent work.
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WWE are in that sweet spot of they don't do anything Sports have in terms of regulations, but they also don't qualify for anything Entertainment related.

Roger Goodell would love to have that deal.

Will the XFL be the same in principle? A football league without a player's union?
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voltch posted...

WWE are in that sweet spot of they don't do anything Sports have in terms of regulations, but they also don't qualify for anything Entertainment related.

Roger Goodell would love to have that deal.

Will the XFL be the same in principle? A football league without a player's union?

Yes, because it's also going to be a football league without players. Ebersol is going to snatch up anyone worth grabbing by the time Vince has a shot at any players.
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You mean to say Vince sold millions of share 50 cents on the current dollar for a venture that might be dead on arrival costing him millions?
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scarletspeed7 posted...

PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

Probably more damning is that they are paid a salary rather than pay-per-performance. If they were paid based on each time they performed, it would be more in-line with independent contractors since they would be independently doing work and get paid each time they do it (even if they were locked down to one business), but in WWE that's not the case. So they would be classified as employees in that sense.

Yeah, this is what has always bothered me about WWE contracts. If they are truly independent, then at least go through the effort of making it look like they are being contracted for independent work.

So maybe Brock is actually an independent contractor

Maybe theyll hold him up as a random example of a typical WWE contract <_<
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voltch posted...

You mean to say Vince sold millions of share 50 cents on the current dollar for a venture that might be dead on arrival costing him millions?

I mean, maybe I'm wrong, but a second league is a risky proposition. A third league, a year after a second one debuts with actual talent on the field and actual back office staff with real experience, is suicidal.
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Jakyl25 posted...

scarletspeed7 posted...

PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

Probably more damning is that they are paid a salary rather than pay-per-performance. If they were paid based on each time they performed, it would be more in-line with independent contractors since they would be independently doing work and get paid each time they do it (even if they were locked down to one business), but in WWE that's not the case. So they would be classified as employees in that sense.

Yeah, this is what has always bothered me about WWE contracts. If they are truly independent, then at least go through the effort of making it look like they are being contracted for independent work.

So maybe Brock is actually an independent contractor

Maybe theyll hold him up as a random example of a typical WWE contract <_<

"Brock Lesnar is a shining example of the future WWE model!" ~Vince to investors next quarter

In other news, 2019 saw the schedules of Roman Reigns, AJ Styles, Samoa Joe, Seth Rollins, Finn Balor, Charlotte, The Miz and Dolph Ziggler all decrease to 6 appearances a year.
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https://twitter.com/WWE/status/997537507561664512?s=19

Vintage Surgery on Vintage Orton!
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Hey now. A vintage surgery would have involved his shoulder.
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I'm very behind, I just finished Gargano vs Almas on RR weekend, it was very good
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Happy May 19th everybody.

Also, Happy Rusev Day.
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Today is my 5 year wedding anniversary

I only remember its May 19th because of Kane
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Oh right, we have a pro wrestler fighting in the UFC for the 2nd time tonight.
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The fact that I've heard nothing about it probably shows how much of a draw it will be this time.
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This is pretty good insight into how commentators have to handle working for WWE.
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Sounds like Cass might have suffered a knee injury on a house show.
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If it's true, how close is he to Nash territory?
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Well he's large, can't do many moves and gets injured often, so he's in it.
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Coming out to fight with Sakura's Theme from SF, can't root against that!
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Sounds like the Cass thing is a work, probably selling Bryans attack from Tuesday.
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I'm not down with a 3hr SD unless it's a one-off and the match quality sustains it.
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