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Count_Babula
05/14/18 6:03:56 PM
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He doesn't seem to be very well read or all that knowledgeable about either the era he dislikes (modern lit) or even the one he does (pre-20th century lit). He's no DragooneerZero.
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_Goggalor_
05/14/18 6:04:55 PM
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Count_Babula posted...
He doesn't seem to be very well read or all that knowledgeable about either the era he dislikes (modern lit) or even the one he does (pre-20th century lit). He's no DragooneerZero.


I've read far more than most.
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Count_Babula
05/14/18 6:07:52 PM
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_Goggalor_ posted...
Count_Babula posted...
He doesn't seem to be very well read or all that knowledgeable about either the era he dislikes (modern lit) or even the one he does (pre-20th century lit). He's no DragooneerZero.


I've read far more than most.


I doubt it. What major postwar 20th century writers have you read?
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_Goggalor_
05/14/18 6:10:34 PM
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Count_Babula posted...
_Goggalor_ posted...
Count_Babula posted...
He doesn't seem to be very well read or all that knowledgeable about either the era he dislikes (modern lit) or even the one he does (pre-20th century lit). He's no DragooneerZero.


I've read far more than most.


I doubt it. What major postwar 20th century writers have you read?


William Golding, Bradbury, Phillip K Dick, Harper Lee, Anthony Burgess. Most "modern classic" authors. They're ok.
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Tyranthraxus
05/14/18 6:13:56 PM
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_Goggalor_ posted...
Phillip K Dick,

So let me get this straight.

You don't read "trash about dragons and elves" but you'll read a story about a guy having moral struggles over caretaking for a robotic sheep?
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UnfairRepresent
05/14/18 6:16:11 PM
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I like Dragons

Why don't you like Dragons? There's so many ways to play with them in stories.
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_Goggalor_
05/14/18 6:17:02 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
_Goggalor_ posted...
Phillip K Dick,

So let me get this straight.

You don't read "trash about dragons and elves" but you'll read a story about a guy having moral struggles over caretaking for a robotic sheep?


Do Androids Dream says more about the human condition and also explores pleasure at the cost of artificiality of such and also religious beliefs and supposed obligation.
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_Goggalor_
05/14/18 6:17:37 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
I like Dragons

Why don't you like Dragons? There's so many ways to play with them in stories.


I find that type of story cheesy. Just my opinion.
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UnfairRepresent
05/14/18 6:20:00 PM
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_Goggalor_ posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
I like Dragons

Why don't you like Dragons? There's so many ways to play with them in stories.


I find that type of story cheesy. Just my opinion.

"That type of story" you can do all sorts of things with them

It's like saying you don't like stories with humans in them
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GhettoFlip
05/14/18 6:21:00 PM
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_Goggalor_ posted...
Count_Babula posted...
_Goggalor_ posted...
Count_Babula posted...
He doesn't seem to be very well read or all that knowledgeable about either the era he dislikes (modern lit) or even the one he does (pre-20th century lit). He's no DragooneerZero.


I've read far more than most.


I doubt it. What major postwar 20th century writers have you read?


William Golding, Bradbury, Phillip K Dick, Harper Lee, Anthony Burgess. Most "modern classic" authors. They're ok.


Those are all high school freshman lit authors. So that makes me doubt your claim.
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_Goggalor_
05/14/18 6:21:22 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
_Goggalor_ posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
I like Dragons

Why don't you like Dragons? There's so many ways to play with them in stories.


I find that type of story cheesy. Just my opinion.

"That type of story" you can do all sorts of things with them

It's like saying you don't like stories with humans in them


Not really. I just don't like "high fantasy". Idk why people can't accept that. I don't like medieval type fiction and never have.
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_Goggalor_
05/14/18 6:22:23 PM
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GhettoFlip posted...
_Goggalor_ posted...
Count_Babula posted...
_Goggalor_ posted...
Count_Babula posted...
He doesn't seem to be very well read or all that knowledgeable about either the era he dislikes (modern lit) or even the one he does (pre-20th century lit). He's no DragooneerZero.


I've read far more than most.


I doubt it. What major postwar 20th century writers have you read?


William Golding, Bradbury, Phillip K Dick, Harper Lee, Anthony Burgess. Most "modern classic" authors. They're ok.


Those are all high school freshman lit authors. So that makes me doubt your claim.


Name someone from that era you respect then instead of just trolling.
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billcom6
05/14/18 6:23:04 PM
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good to see this shitty gimmick is back
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_Goggalor_
05/14/18 6:23:58 PM
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billcom6 posted...
good to see this shitty gimmick is back


Not a gimmick. I honestly feel classic literature is better and better written.
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Tyranthraxus
05/14/18 6:26:49 PM
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_Goggalor_ posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
_Goggalor_ posted...
Phillip K Dick,

So let me get this straight.

You don't read "trash about dragons and elves" but you'll read a story about a guy having moral struggles over caretaking for a robotic sheep?


Do Androids Dream says more about the human condition and also explores pleasure at the cost of artificiality of such and also religious beliefs and supposed obligation.


so, given that you've expanded upon my diminutization of Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? are you willing to consider that lumping all fantasy literature together as "trash about dragons and elves" to be similarly reductive and not actually indicative of the genre in general?

You know the vast majority of our literature is inspired from "trash about dragons and elves" as these were the stories written first going as far back as epic poetry with stories such as Beowulf.
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yusiko
05/14/18 6:28:48 PM
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The first topic about his pretentiousness hasn't even hit 500 yet why make a second one?
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_Goggalor_
05/14/18 6:33:25 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
_Goggalor_ posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
_Goggalor_ posted...
Phillip K Dick,

So let me get this straight.

You don't read "trash about dragons and elves" but you'll read a story about a guy having moral struggles over caretaking for a robotic sheep?


Do Androids Dream says more about the human condition and also explores pleasure at the cost of artificiality of such and also religious beliefs and supposed obligation.


so, given that you've expanded upon my diminutization of Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? are you willing to consider that lumping all fantasy literature together as "trash about dragons and elves" to be similarly reductive and not actually indicative of the genre in general?

You know the vast majority of our literature is inspired from "trash about dragons and elves" as these were the stories written first going as far back as epic poetry with stories such as Beowulf.


I know, and I've never liked those stories. I'll admit I've been unfair toward that genre if you'll accept the simple fact that I don't like simple prose or medieval fiction as viable and every bit as valid of an opinion as the opposite.
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LightningAce11
05/14/18 6:34:49 PM
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Prose just has to be good. If it's overly complicated and flowery, but it doesn't grab the reader then what's the point?

It's about communicating ideas in the best way possible.
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Tyranthraxus
05/14/18 6:35:43 PM
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LightningAce11 posted...
Prose just has to be good. If it's overly complicated and flowery, but it doesn't grab the reader then what's the point?

It's about communicating ideas in the best way possible.

I don't really consider power point slides to be literature despite their ability to effectively communicate ideas.
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_Goggalor_
05/14/18 6:36:43 PM
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LightningAce11 posted...
Prose just has to be good. If it's overly complicated and flowery, but it doesn't grab the reader then what's the point?

It's about communicating ideas in the best way possible.


And to some people, flowery and descriptive is the best way possible, namely me because the books I love the most are written that way.
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Konflikt
05/14/18 6:37:16 PM
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Goggalor is the first 'literature elitist' I've met that's actually legitimately illiterate
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Tyranthraxus
05/14/18 6:37:31 PM
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_Goggalor_ posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
_Goggalor_ posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
_Goggalor_ posted...
Phillip K Dick,

So let me get this straight.

You don't read "trash about dragons and elves" but you'll read a story about a guy having moral struggles over caretaking for a robotic sheep?


Do Androids Dream says more about the human condition and also explores pleasure at the cost of artificiality of such and also religious beliefs and supposed obligation.


so, given that you've expanded upon my diminutization of Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? are you willing to consider that lumping all fantasy literature together as "trash about dragons and elves" to be similarly reductive and not actually indicative of the genre in general?

You know the vast majority of our literature is inspired from "trash about dragons and elves" as these were the stories written first going as far back as epic poetry with stories such as Beowulf.


I know, and I've never liked those stories. I'll admit I've been unfair toward that genre if you'll accept the simple fact that I don't like simple prose or medieval fiction as viable and every bit as valid of an opinion as the opposite.

I don't really care that you don't like fantasy literature, but calling them "dragon and elf trash" is insulting.
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dib153
05/14/18 6:38:18 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
_Goggalor_ posted...
Phillip K Dick,

So let me get this straight.

You don't read "trash about dragons and elves" but you'll read a story about a guy having moral struggles over caretaking for a robotic sheep?


As somebody who stopped reading for fun maybe a decade ago, I. Fucking. Lol'd
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_Goggalor_
05/14/18 6:38:23 PM
#24:


Tyranthraxus posted...
_Goggalor_ posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
_Goggalor_ posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
_Goggalor_ posted...
Phillip K Dick,

So let me get this straight.

You don't read "trash about dragons and elves" but you'll read a story about a guy having moral struggles over caretaking for a robotic sheep?


Do Androids Dream says more about the human condition and also explores pleasure at the cost of artificiality of such and also religious beliefs and supposed obligation.


so, given that you've expanded upon my diminutization of Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? are you willing to consider that lumping all fantasy literature together as "trash about dragons and elves" to be similarly reductive and not actually indicative of the genre in general?

You know the vast majority of our literature is inspired from "trash about dragons and elves" as these were the stories written first going as far back as epic poetry with stories such as Beowulf.


I know, and I've never liked those stories. I'll admit I've been unfair toward that genre if you'll accept the simple fact that I don't like simple prose or medieval fiction as viable and every bit as valid of an opinion as the opposite.

I don't really care that you don't like fantasy literature, but calling them "dragon and elf trash" is insulting.


That's what stuff like that is to me though. I can't help it, I find them cheesy and bad.
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Tyranthraxus
05/14/18 6:39:17 PM
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_Goggalor_ posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
_Goggalor_ posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
_Goggalor_ posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
_Goggalor_ posted...
Phillip K Dick,

So let me get this straight.

You don't read "trash about dragons and elves" but you'll read a story about a guy having moral struggles over caretaking for a robotic sheep?


Do Androids Dream says more about the human condition and also explores pleasure at the cost of artificiality of such and also religious beliefs and supposed obligation.


so, given that you've expanded upon my diminutization of Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? are you willing to consider that lumping all fantasy literature together as "trash about dragons and elves" to be similarly reductive and not actually indicative of the genre in general?

You know the vast majority of our literature is inspired from "trash about dragons and elves" as these were the stories written first going as far back as epic poetry with stories such as Beowulf.


I know, and I've never liked those stories. I'll admit I've been unfair toward that genre if you'll accept the simple fact that I don't like simple prose or medieval fiction as viable and every bit as valid of an opinion as the opposite.

I don't really care that you don't like fantasy literature, but calling them "dragon and elf trash" is insulting.


That's what stuff like that is to me though. I can't help it, I find them cheesy and bad.

Then stop getting all your books out of the YA section.
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GhettoFlip
05/14/18 6:42:56 PM
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_Goggalor_ posted...
GhettoFlip posted...
_Goggalor_ posted...
Count_Babula posted...
_Goggalor_ posted...
Count_Babula posted...
He doesn't seem to be very well read or all that knowledgeable about either the era he dislikes (modern lit) or even the one he does (pre-20th century lit). He's no DragooneerZero.


I've read far more than most.


I doubt it. What major postwar 20th century writers have you read?


William Golding, Bradbury, Phillip K Dick, Harper Lee, Anthony Burgess. Most "modern classic" authors. They're ok.


Those are all high school freshman lit authors. So that makes me doubt your claim.


Name someone from that era you respect then instead of just trolling.


I shouldn't have to name them. Who are the late 20th century authors that are consistently considered the greatest and are studied in college classes /grad school and read by every Tom, Dick, and Jane who fancies themselves a deep reader?

You'd think someone who constantly waxes on about prose would mention Nabokov at the very least.
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_Goggalor_
05/14/18 6:43:11 PM
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Sanderson and Martin aren't YA though? Unless they are. Idk.
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yusiko
05/14/18 6:44:57 PM
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DuranOfForcena posted...
_Goggalor_ posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
_Goggalor_ posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
I like Dragons

Why don't you like Dragons? There's so many ways to play with them in stories.


I find that type of story cheesy. Just my opinion.

"That type of story" you can do all sorts of things with them

It's like saying you don't like stories with humans in them


Not really. I just don't like "high fantasy". Idk why people can't accept that. I don't like medieval type fiction and never have.

high fantasy doesn't always have to be cheesy though. and fantasy does not have to be set in the medieval period either. i'm currently world building and working on notes and an outline for a fantasy series that i plan to set in a more end-of-Renaissance to beginning-of-Enlightenment type setting. one of my stated goals with the work actually is to demonstrate that "fantasy" does not always have to be conflated with "medieval". plus there is plenty of modern fantasy out there, and plenty of other speculative fiction subgenres that overlap with or at least have a lot of themes and concepts closely in common with fantasy.


A good modern day fantasy story I like is the mortal instruments
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_Goggalor_
05/14/18 6:45:35 PM
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GhettoFlip posted...
_Goggalor_ posted...
GhettoFlip posted...
_Goggalor_ posted...
Count_Babula posted...
_Goggalor_ posted...
Count_Babula posted...
He doesn't seem to be very well read or all that knowledgeable about either the era he dislikes (modern lit) or even the one he does (pre-20th century lit). He's no DragooneerZero.


I've read far more than most.


I doubt it. What major postwar 20th century writers have you read?


William Golding, Bradbury, Phillip K Dick, Harper Lee, Anthony Burgess. Most "modern classic" authors. They're ok.


Those are all high school freshman lit authors. So that makes me doubt your claim.


Name someone from that era you respect then instead of just trolling.


I shouldn't have to name them. Who are the late 20th century authors that are consistently considered the greatest and are studied in college classes /grad school and read by every Tom, Dick, and Jane who fancies themselves a deep reader?

You'd think someone who constantly waxes on about prose would mention Nabokov at the very least.


Eh, Nabokov is alright. Lolita is an interesting portrait of a complex societal issue, but I'm not a fan of his. Same with Tolstoy, although obviously not the same time period.

And lol, using what schools make people read to act haughty
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Tyranthraxus
05/14/18 6:49:41 PM
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_Goggalor_ posted...
Sanderson and Martin aren't YA though? Unless they are. Idk.

GoT isn't a fantasy story. It's a Clancy style cold war series set in a fantasy backdrop. If you read it and think the main point of this story is "dragons and elves" then something has gone horribly wrong.
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DarthAragorn
05/14/18 6:54:14 PM
#33:


Tyranthraxus posted...
_Goggalor_ posted...
Sanderson and Martin aren't YA though? Unless they are. Idk.

GoT isn't a fantasy story. It's a Clancy style cold war series set in a fantasy backdrop. If you read it and think the main point of this story is "dragons and elves" then something has gone horribly wrong.

Probably just watched the tv show
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yusiko
05/14/18 9:19:26 PM
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the tv show should show jaime's penis
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AvantgardeAClue
05/14/18 9:30:44 PM
#35:


[The protagonist] isn't some simpleton, he's supposed to be sophisticated and intelligent.


You see, the easiest way must be the best. That is surely it." Easy does it". "Take it easy". Everyone has the best of intentions when they set out, I assure you brothers and sisters, and the road is not always smooth.

Supposed to be a pastor's more like it
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TES_Nut
05/14/18 9:34:20 PM
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Fun fact, Sanderson has never written a book with either dragons nor elves.
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marthsheretoo
05/14/18 9:36:51 PM
#37:


TES_Nut posted...
Fun fact, Sanderson has never written a book with either dragons nor elves.


Not entirely true. Some of his unpublished stuff does have dragons (Dragonsteel) and one of the epigraphs in Words of Randiance was written by a dragon, so they'll likely appear in the cosmere at some point.

But you would be right in saying that none of his published novels have a dragon or an elf "onscreen".
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Runeboggle
05/14/18 9:41:25 PM
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Still waiting for the next book in the Wax and Wayne series. Love a good mystery, and I haven't actually read much of Sanderson besides Mistborn. Any suggestions here?
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AvantgardeAClue
05/14/18 9:41:57 PM
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All I read from Sanderson is Infinity Blade books >_>
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Eevee-Trainer
05/14/18 9:45:08 PM
#40:


Hell, imagine reading any modicum of literature and thinking diction matters more than character or plot development when it comes to telling a story. >.>

Not to say it matters at all but if that's what you come away with, you kinda fucked up.
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Eevee-Trainer
05/14/18 9:45:40 PM
#41:


Not to say it (diction) doesn't matter, I mean.
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Hexenherz
05/14/18 9:56:05 PM
#42:


_Goggalor_ posted...
GhettoFlip posted...


I shouldn't have to name them. Who are the late 20th century authors that are consistently considered the greatest and are studied in college classes /grad school and read by every Tom, Dick, and Jane who fancies themselves a deep reader?

You'd think someone who constantly waxes on about prose would mention Nabokov at the very least.


Eh, Nabokov is alright. Lolita is an interesting portrait of a complex societal issue, but I'm not a fan of his. Same with Tolstoy, although obviously not the same time period.

And lol, using what schools make people read to act haughty

...

I'm... rather confused why anyone would mention Tolstoy and Nabokov in the same paragraph in this manner.
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GhettoFlip
05/14/18 10:41:18 PM
#43:


_Goggalor_ posted...
GhettoFlip posted...
_Goggalor_ posted...
GhettoFlip posted...
_Goggalor_ posted...
Count_Babula posted...
_Goggalor_ posted...
Count_Babula posted...

I've read far more than most.


I doubt it. What major postwar 20th century writers have you read?


William Golding, Bradbury, Phillip K Dick, Harper Lee, Anthony Burgess. Most "modern classic" authors. They're ok.


Those are all high school freshman lit authors. So that makes me doubt your claim.


Name someone from that era you respect then instead of just trolling.


I shouldn't have to name them. Who are the late 20th century authors that are consistently considered the greatest and are studied in college classes /grad school and read by every Tom, Dick, and Jane who fancies themselves a deep reader?

You'd think someone who constantly waxes on about prose would mention Nabokov at the very least.


Eh, Nabokov is alright. Lolita is an interesting portrait of a complex societal issue, but I'm not a fan of his. Same with Tolstoy, although obviously not the same time period.

And lol, using what schools make people read to act haughty


I don't even understand that comment. I shouldn't act haughty because ...

All I did was give you criteria of how to identify who the major literary figures are since you had trouble naming even one.
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