Poll of the Day > Remember when Steam had quality control?

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I bet Valve don't. They let any old shit get released now.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/847250/GAY_Nation_a_Gay_Game_for_Gays_GAYS_ONLY/
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A shame they didn't call it gayme to get one more "gay" in there

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yea. I remember just like a few years ago, some game was famous for being so bad they took it off the store. but now they have all kinds of bad games. they have started even putting phone game shit on there.

bad rats, baby. bad rats.

Yea but we all know you'll buy it when it comes out.
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I mean, Hunt Down the Freeman is still up on Steam, and it's a game that uses one of Valve's IPs and a ton of Valve's assets, so...
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Valve really doesn't give a flying fuck anymore, it's less about quality control and more about milking as much money as possible without actually doing any work themselves. Since it's valve however the fanboys will rally and defend them to the death.
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Why does this matter at all? Nobody is making you purchase these games. Genuine question here, what does this actually hurt?

I've been promoting this game all week 'cuz I know the dev
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Zikten posted...

yea. I remember just like a few years ago, some game was famous for being so bad they took it off the store. but now they have all kinds of bad games. they have started even putting phone game shit on there.

WarZ or whatever name it had. It got back on steam. Worst $40 I have spent fuck my cousin for wanting to play it.

they let us refund games now though, if a game is really THAT shitty there's no way you would be playing it more than 2 hours

and that's assuming anyone would even buy trash like that expecting to like it
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Greenfox111 posted...

they let us refund games now though, if a game is really THAT shitty there's no way you would be playing it more than 2 hours

I wish I refunded Assetto Corsa, 'cuz they just dropped the price by over half, AND it's on sale an additional half off
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Zikten posted...

yea. I remember just like a few years ago, some game was famous for being so bad they took it off the store. but now they have all kinds of bad games. they have started even putting phone game shit on there.

I think I know what you are talking about and it wasn't removed because of being a bad game. It was removed because the developers tried to sue people leaving negative reviews.

Lokarin posted...

I wish I refunded Assetto Corsa, 'cuz they just dropped the price by over half, AND it's on sale an additional half off

Never buy full price.
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GanglyKhan posted...

Why does this matter at all? Nobody is making you purchase these games. Genuine question here, what does this actually hurt?

For the most part I do agree with you. However it does have some negatives. For instance if I want to look at getting a new game I have to know exactly what game I want. The reason being because the search feature will flood you with 1000s of cheap crap games. Sure you can narrow the search down but steam will only let you filter so much. The last thing I want is to search through 1000s of cheap 2 dollar junk games to try and find 1 decent real game.
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Sensual_T_Rex posted...

GanglyKhan posted...

Why does this matter at all? Nobody is making you purchase these games. Genuine question here, what does this actually hurt?

For the most part I do agree with you. However it does have some negatives. For instance if I want to look at getting a new game I have to know exactly what game I want. The reason being because the search feature will flood you with 1000s of cheap crap games. Sure you can narrow the search down but steam will only let you filter so much. The last thing I want is to search through 1000s of cheap 2 dollar junk games to try and find 1 decent real game.

Maybe sort by price and then have the list sort so the most expensive games are first? It won't eliminate crap games, but it'll make it so you can stop looking once you get to the $2 section.
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Lokarin posted...

Greenfox111 posted...

they let us refund games now though, if a game is really THAT shitty there's no way you would be playing it more than 2 hours

I wish I refunded Assetto Corsa, 'cuz they just dropped the price by over half, AND it's on sale an additional half off

Race me, brooooo...
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AllstarSniper32 posted...

Maybe sort by price and then have the list sort so the most expensive games are first? It won't eliminate crap games, but it'll make it so you can stop looking once you get to the $2 section.

Admittedly I was being hyperbolic. Because yes you can filter games based on price. However there are 1000 of cheap 5$ games as well which gets you into the same problem. As well as 10$ games, and 15$ games, and 20$ games. Basically unless you look at full priced games your gonna get flooded with garbage.
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Zikten posted...

yea. I remember just like a few years ago, some game was famous for being so bad they took it off the store. but now they have all kinds of bad games. they have started even putting phone game shit on there.

I believe youre thinking of Air Control, but the actual justification was probably copyright (it was abusing assets that ship with the Unity engine that are only meant for non-production test projects).
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There has always been crap on Steam, just as there has always been crap on the shelves at Game Stop. *shrugs* People talk about more crap getting onto Steam, but I suspect it has more to do with the end of Greenlight and the rise of the current system.
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Sensual_T_Rex posted...

AllstarSniper32 posted...

Maybe sort by price and then have the list sort so the most expensive games are first? It won't eliminate crap games, but it'll make it so you can stop looking once you get to the $2 section.

Admittedly I was being hyperbolic. Because yes you can filter games based on price. However there are 1000s of cheap 5$ games as well which gets you into the same problem. As well as 10$ games, and 15$ games, and 20$ games. Basically unless you look at full priced games your gonna get flooded with garbage.

That's why I utilize the wishlist feature. It's not perfect of course, but it works good enough for me.
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If I wanted my mommies and daddies to dictate what can be sold in thier strangled 'garden' I would buy from Apple.

If you don't like it then don't buy it. It is that simple. I have no interest in pompous control-freakish so-called curation.

I am actually extremely okay with not having quality control because it's better for lots of games to get released than good games get denied release.

AllstarSniper32 posted...

That's why I utilize the wishlist feature. It's not perfect of course, but it works good enough for me.

Agreed I rely on the wish list too. But that kinda gets back to my original point. You ether have to know the game that you want or you get lucky and randomly come across it and save it to your wish list. You can't really just browse new games without having to swim through the muck.
Don't get me wrong though it's not a big problem. It's just that with 1000s of cheap games constantly flooding steam it really becomes a hassle to just see if maybe there's something new you've never heard of.
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Sensual_T_Rex posted...

AllstarSniper32 posted...

Maybe sort by price and then have the list sort so the most expensive games are first? It won't eliminate crap games, but it'll make it so you can stop looking once you get to the $2 section.

Admittedly I was being hyperbolic. Because yes you can filter games based on price. However there are 1000s of cheap 5$ games as well which gets you into the same problem. As well as 10$ games, and 15$ games, and 20$ games. Basically unless you look at full priced games your gonna get flooded with garbage.

Inexpensive <> Cheap or garbage, necessarily
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I_Abibde posted...

There has always been crap on Steam, just as there has always been crap on the shelves at Game Stop. *shrugs* People talk about more crap getting onto Steam, but I suspect it has more to do with the end of Greenlight and the rise of the current system.

It absolutely does.

Any Joe Schmoe with Gamemaker and $100 to burn can get on the service now and bypass what little Quality Control Valve once had.

Worse are the waves of asset flippers- this is actually a pretty big problem now- repackaging the same crap under a different title, and giving them tons of useless achievements like 'play for 1 minute", "play for 2 minutes!"

And people will buy these en masse, and Valve gets their cut regardless. It's a problem, alright.
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It is a digital marketplace, having a bunch of crap doesn't mean you can't still have the good stuff.

Plus, if you are using a search function to find new games to buy, then you are doing it wrong.
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I_Abibde posted...

There has always been crap on Steam, just as there has always been crap on the shelves at Game Stop. *shrugs* People talk about more crap getting onto Steam, but I suspect it has more to do with the end of Greenlight and the rise of the current system.

More crap got through with Greenlight than it did the shitty new system.

Sensual_T_Rex posted...

Agreed I rely on the wish list too. But that kinda gets back to my original point. You ether have to know the game that you want or you get lucky and randomly come across it and save it to your wish list. You can't really just browse new games without having to swim through the muck.
Don't get me wrong though it's not a big problem. It's just that with 1000s of cheap games constantly flooding steam it really becomes a hassle to just see if maybe there's something new you've never heard of.

Sort by genre.
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Revelation34 posted...

More crap got through with Greenlight than it did the shitty new system.

No, it really didn't. Some attempt was made with Greenlight. Access, they simply let anyone on once they get their $100 for the new game. People have uploaded nothing and still release. One 'game' was a text file.
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DeltaBladeX posted...

No, it really didn't. Some attempt was made with Greenlight. Access, they simply let anyone on once they get their $100 for the new game. People have uploaded nothing and still release. One 'game' was a text file.

All the devs had to do was create accounts to click the greenlight button.
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Revelation34 posted...

DeltaBladeX posted...

No, it really didn't. Some attempt was made with Greenlight. Access, they simply let anyone on once they get their $100 for the new game. People have uploaded nothing and still release. One 'game' was a text file.

All the devs had to do was create accounts to click the greenlight button.

As somebody who went through the Greenlight process 3 times and Steam Direct once I can tell you if it were that easy I wouldn't have had to campaign like a madman for months on end to finally get through. Direct is a million times easier.
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Black_Crusher posted...

As somebody who went through the Greenlight process 3 times and Steam Direct once I can tell you if it were that easy I wouldn't have had to campaign like a madman for months on end to finally get through. Direct is a million times easier.

How do you think so many asset flip games got on there in the first place?
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Revelation34 posted...

How do you think so many asset flip games got on there in the first place?

Idiots and promises of free keys. The number of votes requires meant that simply making accounts that could vote (and be counted as a legit account) would be significant.
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DeltaBladeX posted...

The number of votes requires meant that simply making accounts that could vote (and be counted as a legit account) would be significant.

There you go.
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Revelation34 posted...

DeltaBladeX posted...

The number of votes requires meant that simply making accounts that could vote (and be counted as a legit account) would be significant.

There you go.

Like tens of thousands of verified accounts (verified accounts requires at least $5 spent on the Steam store, keys don't count), minimum. Somewhat more than a random person could make to get a game released.
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Greenfox111 posted...

they let us refund games now though,

only after origin started it, otherwise they probably wouldn't have done it
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helIy posted...

Greenfox111 posted...

they let us refund games now though,

only after origin started it, otherwise they probably wouldn't have done it

Not even that was enough, they were taking to court over refusing to allow it.
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DeltaBladeX posted...

Not even that was enough, they were taking to court over refusing to allow it.

I looked that up. Did they even pay the settlement since Valve is an American company?
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Not sure on that, unfortunately. All articles I saw on it didn't go that far.
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SkynyrdRocker posted...

A shame they didn't call it gayme to get one more "gay" in there

If you don't call yourself a gaymer they take your rainbow card.
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Suicide sim -_-
https://store.steampowered.com/app/748060/SchoolJump/
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DeltaBladeX posted...

Suicide sim -_-
https://store.steampowered.com/app/748060/SchoolJump/

There's been lots of those, like the Karoshi series, and Half Dead
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Lokarin posted...

DeltaBladeX posted...

Suicide sim -_-
https://store.steampowered.com/app/748060/SchoolJump/

There's been lots of those, like the Karoshi series, and Half Dead

Those had gameplay where you died a lot.

SchoolJump is a VR 'game' where you just jump to your death. No gameplay mechanics focused on it, killing yourself is everything it has to offer.
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DeltaBladeX posted...

Lokarin posted...

DeltaBladeX posted...

Suicide sim -_-
https://store.steampowered.com/app/748060/SchoolJump/

There's been lots of those, like the Karoshi series, and Half Dead

Those had gameplay where you died a lot.

SchoolJump is a VR 'game' where you just jump to your death. No gameplay mechanics focused on it, killing yourself is everything it has to offer.

I think there was a VR Guillotine simulator where your head rolls off - it made a lot of people .... sea sick?
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DeltaBladeX posted...

Suicide sim -_-
https://store.steampowered.com/app/748060/SchoolJump/

Should have cards.
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Remember when Steam was just an online DRM that checked if your games were updated?
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Revelation34 posted...

DeltaBladeX posted...

Suicide sim -_-
https://store.steampowered.com/app/748060/SchoolJump/

Should have cards.

There's new rules on those now.
I don't think you can add cards until your game has been deemed worthy for a while first (excluding AAA titles I'll bet).

I wanted to add cards for ODW and couldn't a couple weeks ago, but for my first game a couple years ago I could add them no problem. Maybe the game has to make back the $100 fee first? It's another way they're cracking down on crap games that are only there to dole out tons of cards for the sole purpose of making devs rich (I guess?)
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Black_Crusher posted...

There's new rules on those now.
I don't think you can add cards until your game has been deemed worthy for a while first (excluding AAA titles I'll bet).

I wanted to add cards for ODW and couldn't a couple weeks ago, but for my first game a couple years ago I could add them no problem. Maybe the game has to make back the $100 fee first? It's another way they're cracking down on crap games that are only there to dole out tons of cards for the sole purpose of making devs rich (I guess?)

They changed cards a little over a year ago.

Now, cards won't unlock until the game has sold a certain number of copies on the Steam store, and enough people have legitimately played the game.

Back in Greenlight, adding cards to all your games and giving out 10000 free keys was an easy way to make some money. However, the games had to get through Greenlight, so they still had to succeed before they could make money.

With the current system they have, it would be even more profitable, simply because you could pay $100 to get the game on, give away the 10000 keys, and make about $300 on the card sale fees. People would just pump out free keys for money, but with the change, those games won't drop cards. People need to actually buy and play the game, and no one ever bought or played those free games, they just farmed and sold cards.

Valve didn't want other companies getting our money, they want it for themselves. -_-
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DeltaBladeX posted...

Black_Crusher posted...

There's new rules on those now.
I don't think you can add cards until your game has been deemed worthy for a while first (excluding AAA titles I'll bet).

I wanted to add cards for ODW and couldn't a couple weeks ago, but for my first game a couple years ago I could add them no problem. Maybe the game has to make back the $100 fee first? It's another way they're cracking down on crap games that are only there to dole out tons of cards for the sole purpose of making devs rich (I guess?)

They changed cards a little over a year ago.

Now, cards won't unlock until the game has sold a certain number of copies on the Steam store, and enough people have legitimately played the game.

Back in Greenlight, adding cards to all your games and giving out 10000 free keys was an easy way to make some money. However, the games had to get through Greenlight, so they still had to succeed before they could make money.

With the current system they have, it would be even more profitable, simply because you could pay $100 to get the game on, give away the 10000 keys, and make about $300 on the card sale fees. People would just pump out free keys for money, but with the change, those games won't drop cards. People need to actually buy and play the game, and no one ever bought or played those free games, they just farmed and sold cards.

Valve didn't want other companies getting our money, they want it for themselves. -_-

Thanks Delta, that makes a lot of sense!
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Black_Crusher posted...

There's new rules on those now.
I don't think you can add cards until your game has been deemed worthy for a while first (excluding AAA titles I'll bet).

I wanted to add cards for ODW and couldn't a couple weeks ago, but for my first game a couple years ago I could add them no problem. Maybe the game has to make back the $100 fee first? It's another way they're cracking down on crap games that are only there to dole out tons of cards for the sole purpose of making devs rich (I guess?)

I was joking. The new system is bad too though. They only count sales from the actual Steam store and they have to make like 15k in sales or something like that. You can add them anyway but they just won't drop. The system is bad since even games that sale well still take forever to have cards drop. The new system only benefits AAA developers and indie devs are fucked by Valve.
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