Current Events > Japan suffers 37th consecutive year of low birthrate, Japanese people may become

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Lil_Bit83 posted...

I doubt they, or humanity in general will become extinct anytime soon, barring a surprise catclysmic natural disaster.

yeah it was a stupid comment by tc
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seriously, I know it's easy to make "lol foreveralone otaku virgins" jokes and what not but the average Japanese salary-man works 75-80+ hours a week, 5 day work week is non-existent, I mean FFS, I work 2 jobs and pull 55-60 hours a week between them and that wears me down a lot. 80+ is absolute insanity and it's real for a lot of workers there. the escapist weebshit is a symptom, not a cause.
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80+ hrs a week? are you serious? may not be accurate
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Humanity as a whole could stand to breed less tbh.
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I don't think overwork can adequately explain this; the average Japanese worker works fewer hours per year than the average American worker:
https://stats.oecd.org/Index.aspx?DataSetCode=ANHRS
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

Population goes up - "the gott DAMN late stage capitalism is causing too many people to be born which causes too much resource consumption and global warming"

Population goes down - "the gott DAMN late stage capitalism is causing people to be unable to reproduce"

haha imagine being a literal communist in 2018 and grasping at straws this desperately to peddle your flat-earth economics

Bolded is not something any human being says, btw

But I wouldn't expect you to know shit about shit anyway
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Smallville posted...

80+ hrs a week? are you serious? may not be accurate

well ok, 80+ might be a tad of an exaggeration lol, but the long term trend of Japanese salarymen working 70 hours or more per week, racking up 100+ hours of overtime per month, being overly stressed and often committing suicide as a result is well documented.
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You realize that lower birth rates may not be leading to extinction but nature's way of population control.
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creativerealms posted...

You realize that lower birth rates may not be leading to extinction but nature's way of population control.

nature's way of population ctrl?
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Pocket_Hercules posted...

Smallville posted...

80+ hrs a week? are you serious? may not be accurate

well ok, 80+ might be a tad of an exaggeration lol, but the long term trend of Japanese salarymen working 70 hours or more per week, racking up 100+ hours of overtime per month, being overly stressed and often committing suicide as a result is well documented.

They work all those hours and dont get crap done. http://www.jcer.or.jp/eng/pdf/kenho070602e.pdf

If we look at productivity per hour, the Japanese workers are only about 35% as efficient as their American counter parts.
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C7D posted...

Pocket_Hercules posted...

Smallville posted...

80+ hrs a week? are you serious? may not be accurate

well ok, 80+ might be a tad of an exaggeration lol, but the long term trend of Japanese salarymen working 70 hours or more per week, racking up 100+ hours of overtime per month, being overly stressed and often committing suicide as a result is well documented.

They work all those hours and dont get crap done. http://www.jcer.or.jp/eng/pdf/kenho070602e.pdf

If we look at productivity per hour, the Japanese workers are only about 35% as efficient as their American counter parts.

Because when people are forced to work that many hours, their productivity goes down. There are places that are going for a 6 hour or less workday now. Sounds real nice.
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C7D posted...

Pocket_Hercules posted...

Smallville posted...

80+ hrs a week? are you serious? may not be accurate

well ok, 80+ might be a tad of an exaggeration lol, but the long term trend of Japanese salarymen working 70 hours or more per week, racking up 100+ hours of overtime per month, being overly stressed and often committing suicide as a result is well documented.

They work all those hours and dont get crap done. http://www.jcer.or.jp/eng/pdf/kenho070602e.pdf

If we look at productivity per hour, the Japanese workers are only about 35% as efficient as their American counter parts.

only 35 perc. as efficient as their american counterparts? idk
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LightHawKnight posted...

C7D posted...

Pocket_Hercules posted...

Smallville posted...

80+ hrs a week? are you serious? may not be accurate

well ok, 80+ might be a tad of an exaggeration lol, but the long term trend of Japanese salarymen working 70 hours or more per week, racking up 100+ hours of overtime per month, being overly stressed and often committing suicide as a result is well documented.

They work all those hours and dont get crap done. http://www.jcer.or.jp/eng/pdf/kenho070602e.pdf

If we look at productivity per hour, the Japanese workers are only about 35% as efficient as their American counter parts.

Because when people are forced to work that many hours, their productivity goes down. There are places that are going for a 6 hour or less workday now. Sounds real nice.

i totally agree light, very accurate
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Smallville posted...

LightHawKnight posted...

C7D posted...

Pocket_Hercules posted...

Smallville posted...

80+ hrs a week? are you serious? may not be accurate

well ok, 80+ might be a tad of an exaggeration lol, but the long term trend of Japanese salarymen working 70 hours or more per week, racking up 100+ hours of overtime per month, being overly stressed and often committing suicide as a result is well documented.

They work all those hours and dont get crap done. http://www.jcer.or.jp/eng/pdf/kenho070602e.pdf

If we look at productivity per hour, the Japanese workers are only about 35% as efficient as their American counter parts.

Because when people are forced to work that many hours, their productivity goes down. There are places that are going for a 6 hour or less workday now. Sounds real nice.

i totally agree light, very accurate

Its truly a problem of their own making. Its their culture to not want to leave before the boss. While the actual day may end at 5, its a waiting game for them after that. Otherwise, people in the office may feel that they dont care about the collective. Ironically, I see a lot of posts defaming capitalism when that isnt really the cause of the problem in Japan.
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japan has the longest avg work hours in the develped world? where does the us rank
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Smallville posted...

japan has the longest avg work hours in the develped world? where does the us rank

Higher
https://stats.oecd.org/Index.aspx?DataSetCode=ANHRS
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Smallville posted...

only 35 perc. as efficient as their american counterparts? idk

Read the PDF.
This is the title:
Japans Labor Productivity Only 61 Percent of the United States
That means the author is criticizing that Japanese Labor is 39% less efficient overall compared to US Labor.
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KamenRiderBlade posted...

Smallville posted...

only 35 perc. as efficient as their american counterparts? idk

Read the PDF.
This is the title:
Japans Labor Productivity Only 61 Percent of the United States
That means the author is criticizing that Japanese Labor is 39% less efficient overall compared to US Labor.

so what? if this pdf has that as the topic title it doesn't mean it is proven fact, duh
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Make raising a family more desirable by easing up on the strangulating work culture and things may begin to improve.
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BlackHorse6969 posted...

Anime was a mistake

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Sayoria posted...

Japan's men are to blame. Many are taking retreatist lifestyles.

can you blame them?

You need a job to have a girl, usually. These men got no jobs and no outlook.

Nobody should feel like they have to have kids
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The thing about the Japanese work system is that it's not just the amount of hours on the clock.

I don't know how much work statistics factor in overtime, but the working in Japan constitutes more than that for the native citizens. For example, while they absolutely work ridiculous overtime hours depending on the industry, Japanese workers are also obligated to attend regular work parties in the afternoon, and do afternoon get-togethers with current and potential clients (which absolutely don't make it into the statistics). Work parties and the like may not seem like all that much to some from other countries, but when I say they are an obligation, I mean that you run the risk of being a workplace pariah if you don't participate (especially if you're young and a man). To Japanese workers, those sorts of parties are absolutely considered "work," and they have to spend energy keeping up their appearances at these parties. Not to mention that it's time they can't spend with their families at home.

Plus, there are various extra activities that might not make it into the statistics. For example, Japan takes club activities in schools very seriously. For that reason, managing and supervising clubs makes up a big part of what teachers do, and is one of the main reasons they come in on the weekends and during "days off." However, most of the time, club activities fall under "extracurricular," and so aren't typically considered and official part of a teacher's job (even though they absolutely have to do it).

And of course working very long hours doesn't mean they're necessarily getting a lot done. Plenty of times, the reason they work long hours is because they have to get something done before the deadline, but can't until some other person finishes their part and/or signs the document for approval. Other times, workers stay late so that they don't end up leaving before their boss(es) do, because that can easily effect promotion and bonus opportunities (again, this is especially true for young male workers).

So when people say that the Japanese system is draining on their workforce, they aren't just talking about hours (although that's certainly an important part of it). It's the entire system of obligations and social juggling that requires them to be ready and willing participants both on and off the clock. And since Japan is very focused on seniority, the young adults bear a lot of the burden up front.

That, plus the high living costs in general, is why young Japanese people don't start families.

I can't believe people here think that an aging population is a good thing for a country. That seriously flies in the face of all of reality.
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I came back to find this article cause I'm actually writing a paper on it for my Japanese final, but like,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, why didn't you link it lmfao

you even uploaded the pic to imgur wth give people credit
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The Great Muta 22 posted...

I can't believe people here think that an aging population is a good thing for a country. That seriously flies in the face of all of reality.

whoever said that it was a good thing? but if that's what it is then it is
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This will be the United States in 40 years.

All the neckbeard millennial shut-ins and the next generation being further in debt won't be able to afford children.
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Solar_Crimson posted...

I volunteer to go help repopulate the country, provided that they don't mind having a bunch of half-Black children running the show.

First, y'all need some new material.

Second, this is the source:
https://soranews24.com/2018/05/07/japan-suffers-37th-consecutive-year-of-low-birthrate-japanese-people-may-become-extinct-someday/

This is apparently translated from an NHK article from a few days ago.
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hollow_shrine posted...

Solar_Crimson posted...

I volunteer to go help repopulate the country, provided that they don't mind having a bunch of half-Black children running the show.

First, y'all need some new material.

Second, this is the source:
https://soranews24.com/2018/05/07/japan-suffers-37th-consecutive-year-of-low-birthrate-japanese-people-may-become-extinct-someday/

This is apparently translated from an NHK article from a few days ago.

so what if that is the source? doesn't mean they will become extinct. The country still has a lot of people
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Solar_Crimson posted...

I volunteer to go help repopulate the country, provided that they don't mind having a bunch of half-Black children running the show.

Hahahaha good Stuff
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So once again, the regressive right complains and criticizes the countries trying to resolve first world problems
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Smallville posted...

hollow_shrine posted...

Solar_Crimson posted...

I volunteer to go help repopulate the country, provided that they don't mind having a bunch of half-Black children running the show.

First, y'all need some new material.

Second, this is the source:
https://soranews24.com/2018/05/07/japan-suffers-37th-consecutive-year-of-low-birthrate-japanese-people-may-become-extinct-someday/

This is apparently translated from an NHK article from a few days ago.

so what if that is the source? doesn't mean they will become extinct. The country still has a lot of people

I'm not disputing the potential truth of the reporting. I'm posting the source of the article because TC didn't, and a lot of people were taking it at face value without knowing where any of that information was coming from. For all any of us knew TC could've been writing fiction and none of us would have known any difference.
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Thanks a lot Okada. Good job cucking all of Japan with your gorgeous looks dude...
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Those maths though. 1987-2018=37 years
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hollow_shrine posted...

Smallville posted...

hollow_shrine posted...

Solar_Crimson posted...

I volunteer to go help repopulate the country, provided that they don't mind having a bunch of half-Black children running the show.

First, y'all need some new material.

Second, this is the source:
https://soranews24.com/2018/05/07/japan-suffers-37th-consecutive-year-of-low-birthrate-japanese-people-may-become-extinct-someday/

This is apparently translated from an NHK article from a few days ago.

so what if that is the source? doesn't mean they will become extinct. The country still has a lot of people

I'm not disputing the potential truth of the reporting. I'm posting the source of the article because TC didn't, and a lot of people were taking it at face value without knowing where any of that information was coming from. For all any of us knew TC could've been writing fiction and none of us would have known any difference.

Just as a general note on that article, the original Japanese source doesn't mention anything about extinction or the reaction to it. It was just a report on the numbers like they always do for Children's Day. The article from Sora News 24 took that and found some random comments to highlight for a more clickable piece.

Dragonblade01 posted...

hollow_shrine posted...

Smallville posted...

hollow_shrine posted...

Solar_Crimson posted...

I volunteer to go help repopulate the country, provided that they don't mind having a bunch of half-Black children running the show.

First, y'all need some new material.

Second, this is the source:
https://soranews24.com/2018/05/07/japan-suffers-37th-consecutive-year-of-low-birthrate-japanese-people-may-become-extinct-someday/

This is apparently translated from an NHK article from a few days ago.

so what if that is the source? doesn't mean they will become extinct. The country still has a lot of people

I'm not disputing the potential truth of the reporting. I'm posting the source of the article because TC didn't, and a lot of people were taking it at face value without knowing where any of that information was coming from. For all any of us knew TC could've been writing fiction and none of us would have known any difference.

Just as a general note on that article, the original Japanese source doesn't mention anything about extinction or the reaction to it. It was just a report on the numbers like they always do for Children's Day. The article from Sora News 24 took that and found some random comments to highlight for a more clickable piece.

this study was done by a japanese company?
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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

Nobody should feel like they have to have kids

>Nobody should feel like they should do what nature has programmed them to do...

PhazonReborn posted...

This will be the United States in 40 years.

All the neckbeard millennial shut-ins and the next generation being further in debt won't be able to afford children.

Nah, if dems get into power again and force their bullshit, the US will be Rio De Janeiro

Smallville posted...

Dragonblade01 posted...

hollow_shrine posted...

Smallville posted...

hollow_shrine posted...

Solar_Crimson posted...

I volunteer to go help repopulate the country, provided that they don't mind having a bunch of half-Black children running the show.

First, y'all need some new material.

Second, this is the source:
https://soranews24.com/2018/05/07/japan-suffers-37th-consecutive-year-of-low-birthrate-japanese-people-may-become-extinct-someday/

This is apparently translated from an NHK article from a few days ago.

so what if that is the source? doesn't mean they will become extinct. The country still has a lot of people

I'm not disputing the potential truth of the reporting. I'm posting the source of the article because TC didn't, and a lot of people were taking it at face value without knowing where any of that information was coming from. For all any of us knew TC could've been writing fiction and none of us would have known any difference.

Just as a general note on that article, the original Japanese source doesn't mention anything about extinction or the reaction to it. It was just a report on the numbers like they always do for Children's Day. The article from Sora News 24 took that and found some random comments to highlight for a more clickable piece.

this study was done by a japanese company?

The numbers were found by Japan's Ministry of Internal Affairs and Communications.

Kill_Marxism posted...

PhazonReborn posted...

This will be the United States in 40 years.

All the neckbeard millennial shut-ins and the next generation being further in debt won't be able to afford children.

Nah, if dems get into power again and force their bullshit, the US will be Rio De Janeiro

Lmao wow, how crazy you are
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The Great Muta 22 posted...

Kill_Marxism posted...

PhazonReborn posted...

This will be the United States in 40 years.

All the neckbeard millennial shut-ins and the next generation being further in debt won't be able to afford children.

Nah, if dems get into power again and force their bullshit, the US will be Rio De Janeiro

Lmao wow, how crazy you are

Yes I agree, you are indeed very crazy.

The population is declining in most developed countries.

Canada's population would be declining if it weren't for immigration

USA's population would be declining if it weren't for immigration

The difference is Japan has no immigration

Edit: I should say natural rate of increase is declining rather than the population
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orangefire25 posted...

The problems those Japanese in their twenties are facing sound eerily similar to the shit our milenials deal with. Only worse.

Look where we're headed.

We're already on the same path. Low birth rates for millenials. We also have some of the really weird coping mechanisms in place to make up for the lack of sex, such as cuddle cafes.

thronedfire2 posted...

Thats a steady decline for 37 years straight since 1987.

the fuck, I'm 37 already?

Time flies when you hit 30
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Japanese companies broke the social contract with their work force in the early 90s. Young men don't want to be loyal to a company who can fire and mistreat them at will. They don't want to raise a family they have very little emotional connection to due to the long hours they work. They do not want to live like their Showa generation fathers.
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Related is the effect of boomers in America. Seems to be approximately half that of Japan. I've been wanting to make a topic on it but workforce statistics on aged boomers are pretty much developing as we speak, and otherwise there is an expected large economic downturn.
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The problem is Japanese culture. It needs to change or the birthrates will continue to decrease.

1. Maternity harassment: https://www.equaltimes.org/many-japanese-women-still-have-to?lang=en

50% of women drop out of the job market after having children. The reason is maternity harassment & sexism. Despite efforts to change it, the results are lacking. Japanese companies and Japanese men need to stop treating pregnant women like 2nd-rate citizens. Because of this, many women choose not to marry or have children, so they can stay in the workforce.

2. Anime and video games - It is really a surprise that many Japanese men can't handle real women after watching anime with submissive female characters for most of their lives? Real women are nothing like the agreeable characters in their favorite shows. Once they finish their anime, they retreat into their video games where they kill monsters to get parts to make other parts, so they can make other parts for other parts so they can make that weapon to slaughter more innocent beast to get more parts for other parts. Pillow acceptance proves that acceptance of any unhealthy behaviors can lead to societal regression.
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ok this is totally creditable
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You cant just look at a chart with a declining population and project that it goes to 0 by following a ruler from the negative historical trend down to extinction. These arent white rhinos.

If this continues, there will be a major economic collapse as the old age government entitlements go up in smoke, housing prices crater, and the government no longer has the power to apply the Keynesian and monetary stimulus that has been holding off the sharp deflation that Japan desperately needs. Once the dust settles, raising a family in Japan will be much cheaper. Once the over leveraged zombie corporations that have survived off of constant monetary stimulus go under, Japan will be able to experience healthier economic growth.
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tennisdude818 posted...

raising a family in Japan will be much cheaper.

It'll be cheaper because the whole country's economy basically collapsed.
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REMercsChamp posted...

tennisdude818 posted...

raising a family in Japan will be much cheaper.

It'll be cheaper because the whole country's economy basically collapsed.

Precisely. It will be cheaper but no more feasible. If you dont have an income, the difference between $100 and $10000 is entirely academic.
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