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smoliske
05/07/18 4:28:48 PM
#152:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_Japan#Historical_populations

1985 121,048,923 +3.4%
1990 123,611,167+2.1%
1995 125,570,246+1.6%
2000 126,925,843+1.1%
2005 127,767,994+0.7%
2010 128,057,352+0.2%
2015 127,094,7450.8%
2017 126,672,0000.3%
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tennisdude818
05/07/18 4:39:33 PM
#153:


REMercsChamp posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
raising a family in Japan will be much cheaper.

It'll be cheaper because the whole country's economy basically collapsed.


They need a huge recession. There is no getting around that. See the below:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Njp8bKpi-vg" data-time="


They can recover, but their central government and central bank set things into motion that simply are not sustainable.
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Yomi
05/07/18 4:42:41 PM
#154:


GreatEvilEmpire posted...
Anime and video games - It is really a surprise that many Japanese men can't handle real women after watching anime with submissive female characters for most of their lives? Real women are nothing like the agreeable characters in their favorite shows. Once they finish their anime, they retreat into their video games where they kill monsters to get parts to make other parts, so they can make other parts for other parts so they can make that weapon to slaughter more innocent beasts to get more parts for other parts. These men are obviously losers and unsuitable mates for women. Pillow acceptance proves that acceptance of any unhealthy behaviors can lead to societal regression.



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tennisdude818
05/07/18 4:51:35 PM
#155:


C7D posted...
REMercsChamp posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
raising a family in Japan will be much cheaper.

It'll be cheaper because the whole country's economy basically collapsed.


Precisely. It will be cheaper but no more feasible. If you dont have an income, the difference between $100 and $10000 is entirely academic.


The economy can recover quickly if the government and central bank stay out of the way. Asset prices will keep falling until investors pick them up and make them productive again. In Japan's case though, the experience will hurt much more when the market forces their hand than it would have if they didn't pursue Keynesian solutions in the early 90s through today.

A major downturn won't obliterate Japan's ability to be economically productive or turn them into Bangladesh.
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Rob Cesternino
05/07/18 4:52:42 PM
#156:


GreatEvilEmpire posted...
The problem is Japanese culture. It needs to change or the birthrates will continue to decrease.

1. Maternity harassment:


Over 50% of women drop out of the job market after having children. Some numbers have at as high as 70%. The reason is maternity harassment & sexism. Despite efforts to change it, the results are lacking. Japanese companies and Japanese men need to stop treating pregnant women like 2nd-rate citizens. Because of this, many women choose not to marry or have children, so they can stay in the workforce.

2. Anime and video games - It is really a surprise that many Japanese men can't handle real women after watching anime with submissive female characters for most of their lives? Real women are nothing like the agreeable characters in their favorite shows. Once they finish their anime, they retreat into their video games where they kill monsters to get parts to make other parts, so they can make other parts for other parts so they can make that weapon to slaughter more innocent beasts to get more parts for other parts. These men are obviously losers and unsuitable mates for women. Pillow acceptance proves that acceptance of any unhealthy behaviors can lead to societal regression.


Care to do an analysis of the low birth rate of America?

https://goo.gl/h28jDh

The U.S. fertility rate just hit a historic low. Why some demographers are freaking out.

The United States is in the midst of what some worry is a baby crisis. The number of women giving birth has been declining for years and just hit a historic low. If the trend continues and experts disagree on whether it will the country could face economic and cultural turmoil.

According to provisional 2016 population data released by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on Friday, the number of births fell 1 percent from a year earlier, bringing the general fertility rate to 62.0 births per 1,000 women ages 15 to 44. The trend is being driven by a decline in birthrates for teens and 20-somethings. The birthrate for women in their 30s and 40s increased but not enough to make up for the lower numbers in their younger peers.

A country's birthrate is among the most important measures of demographic health. The number needs to be within a certain range, called the replacement level, to keep a population stable so that it neither grows nor shrinks. If too low, there's a danger that we wouldn't be able to replace the aging workforce and have enough tax revenue to keep the economy stable. Countries such as France and Japan that have low birthrates have put pro-family policies into place to try to encourage couples to have babies. The flip side can also be a problem. Birthrates that are too high can strain resources such as clean water, food, shelter and social services, problems faced by India, where the fertility rate has fallen over the past few decades but still remains high.

The debate now is about whether the United States is headed toward a national emergency, as some have feared, or whether this is a blip and the birthrate will level off soon.

It's about millennials, says Donna M. Strobino, a professor of population, family and reproductive health at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health.

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The Catgirl Fondler
05/07/18 5:43:18 PM
#157:


Can't say I blame them, marriage and kids aren't worth the time and money.
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GiftedACIII
05/07/18 5:49:41 PM
#158:


Rob Cesternino posted...
GreatEvilEmpire posted...
The problem is Japanese culture. It needs to change or the birthrates will continue to decrease.

1. Maternity harassment:


Over 50% of women drop out of the job market after having children. Some numbers have at as high as 70%. The reason is maternity harassment & sexism. Despite efforts to change it, the results are lacking. Japanese companies and Japanese men need to stop treating pregnant women like 2nd-rate citizens. Because of this, many women choose not to marry or have children, so they can stay in the workforce.

2. Anime and video games - It is really a surprise that many Japanese men can't handle real women after watching anime with submissive female characters for most of their lives? Real women are nothing like the agreeable characters in their favorite shows. Once they finish their anime, they retreat into their video games where they kill monsters to get parts to make other parts, so they can make other parts for other parts so they can make that weapon to slaughter more innocent beasts to get more parts for other parts. These men are obviously losers and unsuitable mates for women. Pillow acceptance proves that acceptance of any unhealthy behaviors can lead to societal regression.


Care to do an analysis of the low birth rate of America?

https://goo.gl/h28jDh

The U.S. fertility rate just hit a historic low. Why some demographers are freaking out.

The United States is in the midst of what some worry is a baby crisis. The number of women giving birth has been declining for years and just hit a historic low. If the trend continues and experts disagree on whether it will the country could face economic and cultural turmoil.

According to provisional 2016 population data released by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on Friday, the number of births fell 1 percent from a year earlier, bringing the general fertility rate to 62.0 births per 1,000 women ages 15 to 44. The trend is being driven by a decline in birthrates for teens and 20-somethings. The birthrate for women in their 30s and 40s increased but not enough to make up for the lower numbers in their younger peers.

A country's birthrate is among the most important measures of demographic health. The number needs to be within a certain range, called the replacement level, to keep a population stable so that it neither grows nor shrinks. If too low, there's a danger that we wouldn't be able to replace the aging workforce and have enough tax revenue to keep the economy stable. Countries such as France and Japan that have low birthrates have put pro-family policies into place to try to encourage couples to have babies. The flip side can also be a problem. Birthrates that are too high can strain resources such as clean water, food, shelter and social services, problems faced by India, where the fertility rate has fallen over the past few decades but still remains high.

The debate now is about whether the United States is headed toward a national emergency, as some have feared, or whether this is a blip and the birthrate will level off soon.

It's about millennials, says Donna M. Strobino, a professor of population, family and reproductive health at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health.


The real cause of the "problem" is proper sex education and realizing having half a dozen plus children that you can't properly take care of is moronic. Literally every developed country has drastically declining birth rates. Only Americans (who incidentally have the highest rate of teen/child pregnancies and with a major party being predisposed to anti-contraception) make such a big deal over it.
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CiIantro
05/07/18 6:03:24 PM
#159:


DreamwaIker posted...
CiIantro posted...
@orangefire25 posted...
The problems those Japanese in their twenties are facing sound eerily similar to the shit our milenials deal with. Only worse.

Look where we're headed.

Published 2 days ago:
https://www.newyorker.com/culture/culture-desk/the-united-states-of-japan

Thanks for posting this @CiIantro
Great read.

Also, while tagging you I noticed you share my username quirk of making an i look like an L.

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Ivany2008
05/07/18 6:17:49 PM
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The reason birth rate is down is because the economy is pretty much on a downfall. Older generations are screwing it up for the rest of us. They made piss poor decisions which are affecting us as a whole. In my area, I can't even get a job for above minimum wage. My buddy who has a degree in computer repair can't find a job paying more than 12 bucks an hour without benefits(the min wage where I live in is 11). Of course this isn't all of them, but the vast majority of them who have owned businesses, or ran businesses have given unwinnable options to the younger generation. They have added stupid stipulations to basic jobs so that no one can get those jobs.

Anyone should be able to become a secretary. But nowadays they are asking things like a 3 year office degree, with an additional 2-3 years experience(how can you get experience.... if no place will hire you without experience).

Many of use are forced to work min. wage jobs, rather than risk the diploma because all those jobs aren't there anymore. Of a graduating class for computer repair only 2 got jobs in their field in that area.

What does this have to do with families and kids? No family where I live wants to raise a kid while working a minimum wage job. I myself have started to put things in motion where I can support just myself without having to work Min. Wage jobs. And those that have kids while working Min. Wage jobs are stuck in a position where they are forced to continue working there otherwise they won't be able to live with their families.

And now you have these min. wage jobs cutting hours but still increase hiring. My own hours were cut from 30 to 10 a week, and I've told my boss that I can work anywhere within the company, and that I'm a fast learner. But no, they expect someone to know everything immediately(in a grocery store, mind you).

Long story short. Some people don't want to have kids because they can't afford to raise kids. Others just don't want to have kids in general.
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REMercsChamp
05/07/18 6:26:29 PM
#161:


Ivany2008 posted...
degree in computer repair

They offer degrees in this? wut
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GreatEvilEmpire
05/07/18 7:06:38 PM
#162:


Rob Cesternino posted...

Care to do an analysis of the low birth rate of America?

https://goo.gl/h28jDh

The U.S. fertility rate just hit a historic low. Why some demographers are freaking out.

The United States is in the midst of what some worry is a baby crisis. The number of women giving birth has been declining for years and just hit a historic low. If the trend continues and experts disagree on whether it will the country could face economic and cultural turmoil.

According to provisional 2016 population data released by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on Friday, the number of births fell 1 percent from a year earlier, bringing the general fertility rate to 62.0 births per 1,000 women ages 15 to 44. The trend is being driven by a decline in birthrates for teens and 20-somethings. The birthrate for women in their 30s and 40s increased but not enough to make up for the lower numbers in their younger peers.

A country's birthrate is among the most important measures of demographic health. The number needs to be within a certain range, called the replacement level, to keep a population stable so that it neither grows nor shrinks. If too low, there's a danger that we wouldn't be able to replace the aging workforce and have enough tax revenue to keep the economy stable. Countries such as France and Japan that have low birthrates have put pro-family policies into place to try to encourage couples to have babies. The flip side can also be a problem. Birthrates that are too high can strain resources such as clean water, food, shelter and social services, problems faced by India, where the fertility rate has fallen over the past few decades but still remains high.

The debate now is about whether the United States is headed toward a national emergency, as some have feared, or whether this is a blip and the birthrate will level off soon.

It's about millennials, says Donna M. Strobino, a professor of population, family and reproductive health at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health.


I think it has a lot to do the rising cost of everything and many millennials making poor decisions about what they're majoring it and taking out large student loans out for them. Too many people are pursing liberal arts degrees that lead to them struggling to find work after graduation. This leads too many young people pushing off marriage later and not having children.

I'm pretty sure video games a has something to do with it too. Too many young men are spending their time playing games all day instead of being social and go out and meet people.
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GreatEvilEmpire
05/07/18 7:13:10 PM
#163:


Ivany2008 posted...
The reason birth rate is down is because the economy is pretty much on a downfall. Older generations are screwing it up for the rest of us. They made piss poor decisions which are affecting us as a whole. In my area, I can't even get a job for above minimum wage. My buddy who has a degree in computer repair can't find a job paying more than 12 bucks an hour without benefits(the min wage where I live in is 11). Of course this isn't all of them, but the vast majority of them who have owned businesses, or ran businesses have given unwinnable options to the younger generation. They have added stupid stipulations to basic jobs so that no one can get those jobs.


The economy is doing well and there are millions of high paying jobs that are unfilled. Why needs computer repair anymore? People are on phones and tablets and laptops are cheap. If they break, it doesn't cost a lot to replace them. Tell me know why computer repair should deserve more than what market rate is paying.

It sounds like you're angry at the world for advancing too much. The world is not going to slow down, it's up to the individual to update their skills and be adaptable. I don't know how old people has anything to do with this. You're just looking for someone to blame.
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knuxnole
05/07/18 7:18:05 PM
#164:


Thats why Americans who dream to live in Japan should move and help out

I have lots of friends who love Japanese culture who want to.

One is an English teacher in Japan and loves it! Hes a huge otaku
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knuxnole
05/07/18 7:19:08 PM
#165:


GreatEvilEmpire posted...
Ivany2008 posted...
The reason birth rate is down is because the economy is pretty much on a downfall. Older generations are screwing it up for the rest of us. They made piss poor decisions which are affecting us as a whole. In my area, I can't even get a job for above minimum wage. My buddy who has a degree in computer repair can't find a job paying more than 12 bucks an hour without benefits(the min wage where I live in is 11). Of course this isn't all of them, but the vast majority of them who have owned businesses, or ran businesses have given unwinnable options to the younger generation. They have added stupid stipulations to basic jobs so that no one can get those jobs.


The economy is doing well and there are millions of high paying jobs that are unfilled. Why needs computer repair anymore? People are on phones and tablets and laptops are cheap. If they break, it doesn't cost a lot to replace them. Tell me know why computer repair should deserve more than what market rate is paying.

It sounds like you're angry at the world for advancing too much. The world is not going to slow down, it's up to the individual to update their skills and be adaptable. I don't know how old people has anything to do with this. You're just looking for someone to blame.


Thats hard to do. Most people can never improve themselves in their lives ever. This isnt a video game where people level up and learn new skills

Only the 1% can do that.
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REMercsChamp
05/07/18 7:24:11 PM
#166:


REMercsChamp posted...
Ivany2008 posted...
degree in computer repair

They offer degrees in this? wut

A degree in fucking computer repair. Are you guys listening to this shit?
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DuneMan
05/07/18 8:10:03 PM
#167:


Ivany2008 posted...
But nowadays they are asking things like a 3 year office degree, with an additional 2-3 years experience(how can you get experience.... if no place will hire you without experience).

By knowing someone who already works there...

While the ad might suggest 'the ideal candidate will already have 10+ years doing this exact job and be willing to accept half of what they were paid at their previous job', if you know someone who already works at a place you get hired that day, almost on a whim. You might sit down and shoot the breeze for twenty minutes just so there's an 'interview' period on the books, but that's it.
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Omnislasher
05/07/18 8:14:06 PM
#168:


humanity will be extinct soon regardless of birth rates

so good for japan if they actually bow out gracefully by choice
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Smallville
05/07/18 8:15:59 PM
#169:


DuneMan posted...
Ivany2008 posted...
But nowadays they are asking things like a 3 year office degree, with an additional 2-3 years experience(how can you get experience.... if no place will hire you without experience).

By knowing someone who already works there...

While the ad might suggest 'the ideal candidate will already have 10+ years doing this exact job and be willing to accept half of what they were paid at their previous job', if you know someone who already works at a place you get hired that day, almost on a whim. You might sit down and shoot the breeze for twenty minutes just so there's an 'interview' period on the books, but that's it.

yeah i agree geez most job posting ads read like christmas wish lists, i've heard this and it's true.
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Prestoff
05/07/18 8:16:28 PM
#170:


Yomi posted...
GreatEvilEmpire posted...
Anime and video games - It is really a surprise that many Japanese men can't handle real women after watching anime with submissive female characters for most of their lives? Real women are nothing like the agreeable characters in their favorite shows. Once they finish their anime, they retreat into their video games where they kill monsters to get parts to make other parts, so they can make other parts for other parts so they can make that weapon to slaughter more innocent beasts to get more parts for other parts. These men are obviously losers and unsuitable mates for women. Pillow acceptance proves that acceptance of any unhealthy behaviors can lead to societal regression.




Yeah, anime and video games are a symptom to the problem but is not the cause of it. It always boils down to the insane work culture and how many of the Japanese workers try to keep their work ethics up doing over time both outside and inside their jobs as well. I know one of my Japanese friend used to describe working at one of the accounting firms as working +80 hours a week during busy season (same as America), but then would attend after parties as a work obligation, which was insane to think in my mind.
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Smallville
05/07/18 8:16:34 PM
#171:


Omnislasher posted...
humanity will be extinct soon regardless of birth rates

so good for japan if they actually bow out gracefully by choice

extinct soon you think? by what cause though?
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Omnislasher
05/07/18 8:24:19 PM
#172:


Smallville posted...
Omnislasher posted...
humanity will be extinct soon regardless of birth rates

so good for japan if they actually bow out gracefully by choice

extinct soon you think? by what cause though?


climate change-induced collapse of biosphere, if not preceded by nuclear detonation, or the latter precipitated by geopolitical tensions caused by the former
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Smallville
05/07/18 8:26:41 PM
#173:


Omnislasher posted...
Smallville posted...
Omnislasher posted...
humanity will be extinct soon regardless of birth rates

so good for japan if they actually bow out gracefully by choice

extinct soon you think? by what cause though?


climate change-induced collapse of biosphere, if not preceded by nuclear detonation, or the latter precipitated by geopolitical tensions caused by the former

maybe, but who ever said that low birth rates would be the cause or even believed that?
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Ivany2008
05/07/18 8:32:05 PM
#174:


DuneMan posted...
Ivany2008 posted...
But nowadays they are asking things like a 3 year office degree, with an additional 2-3 years experience(how can you get experience.... if no place will hire you without experience).

By knowing someone who already works there...

While the ad might suggest 'the ideal candidate will already have 10+ years doing this exact job and be willing to accept half of what they were paid at their previous job', if you know someone who already works at a place you get hired that day, almost on a whim. You might sit down and shoot the breeze for twenty minutes just so there's an 'interview' period on the books, but that's it.


Yeah, that doesn't happen. Least not where I'm from. I've applied to jobs where I've known people in the business, who have put in a good word about my work, and I still never got hired on. Not even an interview. Instead, what happens is that they hire on some 18 year old, just out of high school with no degree, jack squat, keep him for a month then replace him with someone else, because "he isn't working out because of his age".

Also, the computer repair bit, you have to realize that its based on area. Maybe in your area you don't need a degree, but where I live they refuse to hire you on without one.
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Smallville
05/07/18 8:34:02 PM
#175:


Ivany2008 posted...
DuneMan posted...
Ivany2008 posted...
But nowadays they are asking things like a 3 year office degree, with an additional 2-3 years experience(how can you get experience.... if no place will hire you without experience).

By knowing someone who already works there...

While the ad might suggest 'the ideal candidate will already have 10+ years doing this exact job and be willing to accept half of what they were paid at their previous job', if you know someone who already works at a place you get hired that day, almost on a whim. You might sit down and shoot the breeze for twenty minutes just so there's an 'interview' period on the books, but that's it.


Yeah, that doesn't happen. Least not where I'm from. I've applied to jobs where I've known people in the business, who have put in a good word about my work, and I still never got hired on. Not even an interview. Instead, what happens is that they hire on some 18 year old, just out of high school with no degree, jack squat, keep him for a month then replace him with someone else, because "he isn't working out because of his age".

Also, the computer repair bit, you have to realize that its based on area. Maybe in your area you don't need a degree, but where I live they refuse to hire you on without one.

yeah maybe the customer or whoever though will say they can't work on my computer if they have no degree
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Ivany2008
05/07/18 9:26:17 PM
#176:


Smallville posted...
Ivany2008 posted...
DuneMan posted...
Ivany2008 posted...
But nowadays they are asking things like a 3 year office degree, with an additional 2-3 years experience(how can you get experience.... if no place will hire you without experience).

By knowing someone who already works there...

While the ad might suggest 'the ideal candidate will already have 10+ years doing this exact job and be willing to accept half of what they were paid at their previous job', if you know someone who already works at a place you get hired that day, almost on a whim. You might sit down and shoot the breeze for twenty minutes just so there's an 'interview' period on the books, but that's it.


Yeah, that doesn't happen. Least not where I'm from. I've applied to jobs where I've known people in the business, who have put in a good word about my work, and I still never got hired on. Not even an interview. Instead, what happens is that they hire on some 18 year old, just out of high school with no degree, jack squat, keep him for a month then replace him with someone else, because "he isn't working out because of his age".

Also, the computer repair bit, you have to realize that its based on area. Maybe in your area you don't need a degree, but where I live they refuse to hire you on without one.

yeah maybe the customer or whoever though will say they can't work on my computer if they have no degree


And that's a fair way to look at it, liability.
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GreatEvilEmpire
05/07/18 10:17:03 PM
#177:


Prestoff posted...
Yomi posted...
GreatEvilEmpire posted...
Anime and video games - It is really a surprise that many Japanese men can't handle real women after watching anime with submissive female characters for most of their lives? Real women are nothing like the agreeable characters in their favorite shows. Once they finish their anime, they retreat into their video games where they kill monsters to get parts to make other parts, so they can make other parts for other parts so they can make that weapon to slaughter more innocent beasts to get more parts for other parts. These men are obviously losers and unsuitable mates for women. Pillow acceptance proves that acceptance of any unhealthy behaviors can lead to societal regression.




Yeah, anime and video games are a symptom to the problem but is not the cause of it. It always boils down to the insane work culture and how many of the Japanese workers try to keep their work ethics up doing over time both outside and inside their jobs as well. I know one of my Japanese friend used to describe working at one of the accounting firms as working +80 hours a week during busy season (same as America), but then would attend after parties as a work obligation, which was insane to think in my mind.


That part of Japanese culture also need to change, especially the stupid mandatory after work parties. If people don't want to go, they shouldn't go. There is a lot wrong with Japanese culture and I'm just highlighting 2 of the big ones.
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GreatEvilEmpire
05/07/18 10:19:49 PM
#178:


Omnislasher posted...
Smallville posted...
Omnislasher posted...
humanity will be extinct soon regardless of birth rates

so good for japan if they actually bow out gracefully by choice

extinct soon you think? by what cause though?


climate change-induced collapse of biosphere, if not preceded by nuclear detonation, or the latter precipitated by geopolitical tensions caused by the former


You need to go outside and get some sun while the world isn't suffering from nuclear fallout. That kind of negative mindset will get you nowhere.
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Smallville
05/07/18 10:21:25 PM
#179:


GreatEvilEmpire posted...
Omnislasher posted...
Smallville posted...
Omnislasher posted...
humanity will be extinct soon regardless of birth rates

so good for japan if they actually bow out gracefully by choice

extinct soon you think? by what cause though?


climate change-induced collapse of biosphere, if not preceded by nuclear detonation, or the latter precipitated by geopolitical tensions caused by the former


You need to go outside and get some sun while the world isn't suffering from nuclear fallout. That kind of negative mindset will get you nowhere.

the world is kinda terrible though
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Spidey5
05/07/18 10:32:07 PM
#180:


GreatEvilEmpire posted...
The problem is Japanese culture. It needs to change or the birthrates will continue to decrease.

1. Maternity harassment:
https://www.equaltimes.org/many-japanese-women-still-have-to?lang=en

Over 50% of women drop out of the job market after having children. Some numbers have at as high as 70%. The reason is maternity harassment & sexism. Despite efforts to change it, the results are lacking. Japanese companies and Japanese men need to stop treating pregnant women like 2nd-rate citizens. Because of this, many women choose not to marry or have children, so they can stay in the workforce.

2. Anime and video games - It is really a surprise that many Japanese men can't handle real women after watching anime with submissive female characters for most of their lives? Real women are nothing like the agreeable characters in their favorite shows. Once they finish their anime, they retreat into their video games where they kill monsters to get parts to make other parts, so they can make other parts for other parts so they can make that weapon to slaughter more innocent beasts to get more parts for other parts. These men are obviously losers and unsuitable mates for women. Pillow acceptance proves that acceptance of any unhealthy behaviors can lead to societal regression.

I like how you sourced the first one to try to cover up the fact you pulled the second one from your buttcheeks. Japanese entertainment truly triggers so many CEmen lol.
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Smallville
05/07/18 10:34:11 PM
#181:


Spidey5 posted...
GreatEvilEmpire posted...
The problem is Japanese culture. It needs to change or the birthrates will continue to decrease.

1. Maternity harassment:
https://www.equaltimes.org/many-japanese-women-still-have-to?lang=en

Over 50% of women drop out of the job market after having children. Some numbers have at as high as 70%. The reason is maternity harassment & sexism. Despite efforts to change it, the results are lacking. Japanese companies and Japanese men need to stop treating pregnant women like 2nd-rate citizens. Because of this, many women choose not to marry or have children, so they can stay in the workforce.

2. Anime and video games - It is really a surprise that many Japanese men can't handle real women after watching anime with submissive female characters for most of their lives? Real women are nothing like the agreeable characters in their favorite shows. Once they finish their anime, they retreat into their video games where they kill monsters to get parts to make other parts, so they can make other parts for other parts so they can make that weapon to slaughter more innocent beasts to get more parts for other parts. These men are obviously losers and unsuitable mates for women. Pillow acceptance proves that acceptance of any unhealthy behaviors can lead to societal regression.

I like how you sourced the first one to try to cover up the fact you pulled the second one from your buttcheeks. Japanese entertainment truly triggers so many CEmen lol.

yeah i agree completely spidey
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GreatEvilEmpire
05/08/18 1:10:44 AM
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Spidey5 posted...
GreatEvilEmpire posted...
The problem is Japanese culture. It needs to change or the birthrates will continue to decrease.

1. Maternity harassment:
https://www.equaltimes.org/many-japanese-women-still-have-to?lang=en

Over 50% of women drop out of the job market after having children. Some numbers have at as high as 70%. The reason is maternity harassment & sexism. Despite efforts to change it, the results are lacking. Japanese companies and Japanese men need to stop treating pregnant women like 2nd-rate citizens. Because of this, many women choose not to marry or have children, so they can stay in the workforce.

2. Anime and video games - It is really a surprise that many Japanese men can't handle real women after watching anime with submissive female characters for most of their lives? Real women are nothing like the agreeable characters in their favorite shows. Once they finish their anime, they retreat into their video games where they kill monsters to get parts to make other parts, so they can make other parts for other parts so they can make that weapon to slaughter more innocent beasts to get more parts for other parts. These men are obviously losers and unsuitable mates for women. Pillow acceptance proves that acceptance of any unhealthy behaviors can lead to societal regression.

I like how you sourced the first one to try to cover up the fact you pulled the second one from your buttcheeks. Japanese entertainment truly triggers so many CEmen lol.


Herbivore men
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbivore_men

Surveys of single Japanese men conducted in 2010 found that 61% of men in their 20s and 70% of men in their 30s considered themselves to be herbivores. Japan's government views the phenomenon as one possible cause of the nation's declining birth rate.

Hikikomori
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hikikomori

Hikikomori have been described as loners or "modern-day hermits".Estimates suggest that nearly half a million Japanese youth have become social recluses.

The Japanese men who prefer virtual girlfriends to sex
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-24614830

Unless something happens to boost Japan's birth rate, its population will shrink by a third between now and 2060. One reason for the lack of babies is the emergence of a new breed of Japanese men, the otaku, who love manga, anime and computers - and sometimes show little interest in sex.

You Jelly?
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Dragonblade01
05/08/18 1:49:49 AM
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Mistaking symptoms for the cause is a bad idea.
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GiftedACIII
05/08/18 5:16:37 AM
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GreatEvilEmpire posted...
Spidey5 posted...
GreatEvilEmpire posted...
The problem is Japanese culture. It needs to change or the birthrates will continue to decrease.

1. Maternity harassment:
https://www.equaltimes.org/many-japanese-women-still-have-to?lang=en

Over 50% of women drop out of the job market after having children. Some numbers have at as high as 70%. The reason is maternity harassment & sexism. Despite efforts to change it, the results are lacking. Japanese companies and Japanese men need to stop treating pregnant women like 2nd-rate citizens. Because of this, many women choose not to marry or have children, so they can stay in the workforce.

2. Anime and video games - It is really a surprise that many Japanese men can't handle real women after watching anime with submissive female characters for most of their lives? Real women are nothing like the agreeable characters in their favorite shows. Once they finish their anime, they retreat into their video games where they kill monsters to get parts to make other parts, so they can make other parts for other parts so they can make that weapon to slaughter more innocent beasts to get more parts for other parts. These men are obviously losers and unsuitable mates for women. Pillow acceptance proves that acceptance of any unhealthy behaviors can lead to societal regression.

I like how you sourced the first one to try to cover up the fact you pulled the second one from your buttcheeks. Japanese entertainment truly triggers so many CEmen lol.


Herbivore men
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbivore_men

Surveys of single Japanese men conducted in 2010 found that 61% of men in their 20s and 70% of men in their 30s considered themselves to be herbivores. Japan's government views the phenomenon as one possible cause of the nation's declining birth rate.

Hikikomori
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hikikomori

Hikikomori have been described as loners or "modern-day hermits".Estimates suggest that nearly half a million Japanese youth have become social recluses.

The Japanese men who prefer virtual girlfriends to sex
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-24614830

Unless something happens to boost Japan's birth rate, its population will shrink by a third between now and 2060. One reason for the lack of babies is the emergence of a new breed of Japanese men, the otaku, who love manga, anime and computers - and sometimes show little interest in sex.

You Jelly?
0ZhYHyI

https://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2017/09/daily-chart-2
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ageing_of_Europe
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/science/why-is-europe-losing-the-will-to-breed-1.2644169
Right, the most developed countries with the highest quality of living must all be due to cultural problems, herbivore men and video games huh? So the countries you believe we should be aiming to emulate must be countries like Somalia and Afghanistan. Educate yourself a little man. It's probably the lack of it that makes you think sex education isn't the main factor.
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GreatEvilEmpire
05/08/18 1:24:12 PM
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GiftedACIII posted...

https://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2017/09/daily-chart-2
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ageing_of_Europe
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/science/why-is-europe-losing-the-will-to-breed-1.2644169
Right, the most developed countries with the highest quality of living must all be due to cultural problems, herbivore men and video games huh? So the countries you believe we should be aiming to emulate must be countries like Somalia and Afghanistan. Educate yourself a little man. It's probably the lack of it that makes you think sex education isn't the main factor.


If I need to educate myself, then you need to go back to preschool. If you don't think that Japan has a cultural problem, then you don't understand anything about Japan. You refused to address the sexism toward pregnant women and refuse to address the fact that 70% of the men in their 30's in Japan considers themselves Herbivores. As I already mentioned, there are other factors like cost of living and long work hours.

There are no absolutes in the world. Not every country faces the same issues and to say that Japan has the exact same issues as Europe is ludicrous. Europe has their own reasons, with some shared reasons like cost of living and cost of raising a child. Europe like the US is experiencing a cultural shift where people don't want children unless they've established their careers, along with more leisure time for themselves.

The difference between Japan and Europe is that despite the low birth rate, people are still HAVING SEX in Europe. Meanwhile in Japan, a much lower percentage of men are having sex and many men are incapable of having relationships with women.
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meestermj
05/08/18 1:25:05 PM
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Send me some Japanese women.
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Smallville
05/08/18 1:27:06 PM
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GreatEvilEmpire posted...
GiftedACIII posted...

https://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2017/09/daily-chart-2
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ageing_of_Europe
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/science/why-is-europe-losing-the-will-to-breed-1.2644169
Right, the most developed countries with the highest quality of living must all be due to cultural problems, herbivore men and video games huh? So the countries you believe we should be aiming to emulate must be countries like Somalia and Afghanistan. Educate yourself a little man. It's probably the lack of it that makes you think sex education isn't the main factor.


If I need to educate myself, then you need to go back to preschool. If you don't think that Japan has a cultural problem, then you don't understand anything about Japan. You refused to address the sexism toward pregnant women and refuse to address the fact that 70% of the men in their 30's in Japan considers themselves Herbivores. As I already mentioned, there are other factors like cost of living and long work hours.

There are no absolutes in the world. Not every country faces the same issues and to say that Japan has the exact same issues as Europe is ludicrous. Europe has their own reasons, with some shared reasons like cost of living and cost of raising a child. Europe like the US is experiencing a cultural shift where people don't want children unless they've established their careers, along with more leisure time for themselves.

The difference between Japan and Europe is that despite the low birth rate, people are still HAVING SEX in Europe. Meanwhile in Japan, a much lower percentage of men are having sex and many men are incapable of having relationships with women.

your last paragraph, great, where did you even get this from? or did you just pull it out of your.......?
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GreatEvilEmpire
05/08/18 1:29:05 PM
#188:


Smallville posted...
GreatEvilEmpire posted...
GiftedACIII posted...

https://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2017/09/daily-chart-2
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ageing_of_Europe
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/science/why-is-europe-losing-the-will-to-breed-1.2644169
Right, the most developed countries with the highest quality of living must all be due to cultural problems, herbivore men and video games huh? So the countries you believe we should be aiming to emulate must be countries like Somalia and Afghanistan. Educate yourself a little man. It's probably the lack of it that makes you think sex education isn't the main factor.


If I need to educate myself, then you need to go back to preschool. If you don't think that Japan has a cultural problem, then you don't understand anything about Japan. You refused to address the sexism toward pregnant women and refuse to address the fact that 70% of the men in their 30's in Japan considers themselves Herbivores. As I already mentioned, there are other factors like cost of living and long work hours.

There are no absolutes in the world. Not every country faces the same issues and to say that Japan has the exact same issues as Europe is ludicrous. Europe has their own reasons, with some shared reasons like cost of living and cost of raising a child. Europe like the US is experiencing a cultural shift where people don't want children unless they've established their careers, along with more leisure time for themselves.

The difference between Japan and Europe is that despite the low birth rate, people are still HAVING SEX in Europe. Meanwhile in Japan, a much lower percentage of men are having sex and many men are incapable of having relationships with women.

your last paragraph, great, where did you even get this from? or did you just pull it out of your.......?


Young Japanese people are not having sex
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/japan-sex-problem-demographic-time-bomb-birth-rates-sex-robots-fertility-crisis-virgins-romance-porn-a7831041.html

Some men claimed they "find women scary" as a poll found that around 31% of people aged 18 to 34 from the island nation say they are virgins.

Some more links

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/20/young-people-japan-stopped-having-sex
http://www.businessinsider.com/demographic-time-bomb-clock-japan-2016-9
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Smallville
05/08/18 1:33:01 PM
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so what? that doesn't necessarily make it fact even if an article was written about it
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GreatEvilEmpire
05/08/18 1:37:48 PM
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Smallville posted...
so what? that doesn't necessarily make it fact even if an article was written about it


Facts are facts and Japan's declining population backs it up. There has been research studies that also backs it up. But hey, do what some of you do best.

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Smallville
05/08/18 1:41:45 PM
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other nations have similar population problems. Iirc the u.s.'s pop. would be decllining also if it weren't for immigration. Japan's population is declining faster than any other nation?
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GreatEvilEmpire
05/08/18 1:48:38 PM
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Smallville posted...
other nations have similar population problems. Iirc the u.s.'s pop. would be decllining also if it weren't for immigration. Japan's population is declining faster than any other nation?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aging_of_Japan

According to projections of the population with the current fertility rate, over 65s will account for 40% of the population by 2060,[9][10] and the total population will fall by a third from 128 million in 2010 to 87 million in 2060.

I'd say that's a pretty steep decline compared to the rest of the world.
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Smallville
05/08/18 1:52:15 PM
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they're still doing much better than, say, somalia and many other countries. Where pretty sure they're population is going up, maybe at a very fast rate.
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Metro2
05/08/18 1:52:32 PM
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Extinct? Look dude, if Iceland can survive on 300,000 people, then Japan sure as hell can survive with whatever numbers they got.
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Smallville
05/08/18 1:53:40 PM
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Metro2 posted...
Extinct? Look dude, if Iceland can survive on 300,000 people, then Japan sure as hell can survive with whatever numbers they got.

i agree here, great, do you think that the japan, extinction problem is a big problem?
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GreatEvilEmpire
05/08/18 2:04:21 PM
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Metro2 posted...
Extinct? Look dude, if Iceland can survive on 300,000 people, then Japan sure as hell can survive with whatever numbers they got.


Are you sure about that? Based on projections, people over 65 will make up 40% of the population in 2060. People age 15-64 will decrease by nearly 50% by 2060. And in terms of fertility, only a small percentage of that population can have children. That number would continue to decline year after year if nothing is done.

A country like Japan can only function properly if there are enough you people to maintain infrastructure, public services, military, national security and other sectors. Without people in their prime driving the economy, it could also face a collapse. Who is going to maintain Japan's rail system...men in their 60's?

Japan is the World's 3rd largest economy. You can't compare that to some tiny country. There is no country in the world where adult diapers outsell baby diapers. Only in Japan.
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GiftedACIII
05/08/18 2:35:56 PM
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GreatEvilEmpire posted...
GiftedACIII posted...

https://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2017/09/daily-chart-2
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ageing_of_Europe
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/science/why-is-europe-losing-the-will-to-breed-1.2644169
Right, the most developed countries with the highest quality of living must all be due to cultural problems, herbivore men and video games huh? So the countries you believe we should be aiming to emulate must be countries like Somalia and Afghanistan. Educate yourself a little man. It's probably the lack of it that makes you think sex education isn't the main factor.


If I need to educate myself, then you need to go back to preschool. If you don't think that Japan has a cultural problem, then you don't understand anything about Japan. You refused to address the sexism toward pregnant women and refuse to address the fact that 70% of the men in their 30's in Japan considers themselves Herbivores. As I already mentioned, there are other factors like cost of living and long work hours.

There are no absolutes in the world. Not every country faces the same issues and to say that Japan has the exact same issues as Europe is ludicrous. Europe has their own reasons, with some shared reasons like cost of living and cost of raising a child. Europe like the US is experiencing a cultural shift where people don't want children unless they've established their careers, along with more leisure time for themselves.

The difference between Japan and Europe is that despite the low birth rate, people are still HAVING SEX in Europe. Meanwhile in Japan, a much lower percentage of men are having sex and many men are incapable of having relationships with women.

So you're also now showing that you lack reading comprehension. I never said they didn't have cultural problems. The point is you are baselessly correlating one thing with another with no studies to support it, again, something uneducated people do. Where is your proof that sexism against women correlates with less birth and sex? India which is pretty well known for not being great with gender politics has some of the highest sex and birth rates in the world. Other most sexually active countries include Russia, Mexico, Brazil, and Poland. Truly a bastion of gender equality and worker rights.
Also nice "nothing is absolute" cop-out to cover up that what you've posted is nonsense, arbitrary things you've pulled out of your ass which doesn't hold up or apply to other countries, in fact being the opposite of what you claim (countries with higher sexism tend to have higher sex and birth rates as opposed to developed countries with less sexism having declining birth rates). Japan also has lower crime rates than most of Europe and the US, perhaps lower crime means less sex? Seeing as you're just grabbing random things together.
And then you go on to cite an unverifiable "cultural shift" as the reason why Europe and the US birth rates are declining when studies have made it well known that more comprehensive sex education has always lowered birth rates; poorer less educated groups had more children than educated groups (which you know, should be common sense)
http://www.siecus.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=Feature.showFeature&featureID=1041
So basically, you've been talking a whole load of baloney this whole time.

By the way, no Japan isn't the only country with decreasing sex rates. https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2016/aug/02/less-sex-please-were-millennials-study
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/love-sex/why-millenials-stopped-having-sex-a7123736.html
http://theconversation.com/australians-are-having-sex-less-often-than-a-decade-ago-33935

It's almost like this is a generational thing. And before you rant about them damn children these days and the good times
https://sites.psu.edu/siowfa16/2016/11/30/are-younger-generations-smarter/
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GreatEvilEmpire
05/08/18 2:48:27 PM
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GiftedACIII posted...
So you're also now showing that you lack reading comprehension. I never said they didn't have cultural problems. The point is you are baselessly correlating one thing with another with no studies to support it, again, something uneducated people do. Where is your proof that sexism against women correlates with less birth and sex? India which is pretty well known for not being great with gender politics has some of the highest sex and birth rates in the world. Other most sexually active countries include Russia, Mexico, Brazil, and Poland. Truly a bastion of gender equality and worker rights.


Where is your reading comprehension, son? Don't try to change my argument to fit your agenda. I didn't said sexism toward women, I said sexism toward PREGNANT women. Once a woman has children, they face tremendous pressure from companies and men to leave the workforce. There's a difference between choosing to do something and being forced to do something and that's where the cultural differences lie.

If you don't understand subtleties and differences in culture, why are you even in this thread? Your one size fits all attitude toward different cultures makes looks like you haven't left your mom's basement in months.
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05/08/18 3:08:45 PM
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GreatEvilEmpire posted...
GiftedACIII posted...
So you're also now showing that you lack reading comprehension. I never said they didn't have cultural problems. The point is you are baselessly correlating one thing with another with no studies to support it, again, something uneducated people do. Where is your proof that sexism against women correlates with less birth and sex? India which is pretty well known for not being great with gender politics has some of the highest sex and birth rates in the world. Other most sexually active countries include Russia, Mexico, Brazil, and Poland. Truly a bastion of gender equality and worker rights.


Where is your reading comprehension, son? Don't try to change my argument to fit your agenda. I didn't said sexism toward women, I said sexism toward PREGNANT women. Once a woman has children, they face tremendous pressure from companies and men to leave the workforce. There's a difference between choosing to do something and being forced to do something and that's where the cultural differences lie.

If you don't understand subtleties and differences in culture, why are you even in this thread? Your one size fits all attitude toward different cultures makes looks like you haven't left your mom's basement in months.

So now you're getting even more arbitrary. "There's a difference between choosing to do something and being forced to do something" You have any evidence that this actually makes a difference and affects anything other than your ass? And the US is functionally the same since funnily enough, Japan has mandatory maternity leave. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parental_leave
Not sure if you're being intentionally dense or you genuinely are but you're missing the point once again. The point is that you are baselessly correlating random things with each other with zero evidence that's how it actually works and instead more likely that it doesn't because other countries prove you wrong. Your "it's not one size fits all" argument is just you making an excuse for posting any bullshit that you want. Hey, Japan has practically no crime rate. Maybe that's linked to low sex and birth rates too! Japan is top 5 biggest exporters in the world. That too might be linked to low sex and birth rates
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GreatEvilEmpire
05/08/18 4:25:09 PM
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GiftedACIII posted...

So now you're getting even more arbitrary. "There's a difference between choosing to do something and being forced to do something" You have any evidence that this actually makes a difference and affects anything other than your ass? (you're also lying since you did initially claim anime with "submissive females" was a cause even though most Hollywood films presented women as submissive sex objects even more in the past and the past is when sex rates were at its highest) And the US is functionally the same since funnily enough, Japan has mandatory maternity leave which the US doesn't. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parental_leave
Not sure if you're being intentionally dense or you genuinely are but you're missing the point once again. The point is that you are baselessly correlating random things with each other with zero evidence that's how it actually works and instead more likely that it doesn't because other countries prove you wrong. Your "it's not one size fits all" argument is just you making an excuse for posting any bullshit that you want. Hey, Japan has practically no crime rate. Maybe that's linked to low sex and birth rates too! Japan is top 5 biggest exporters in the world. That too might be linked to low sex and birth rates. Especially since the other top 5 exporters all have declining sex and birth rates, one having even less than Japan.


I've backed everything up. You haven't. If you'd take your head out of your ass instead of denying everything, you'd actually see the big picture. I already posted numerous articles on how over 50% of Japanese women leaving the workforce after giving birth to a child. And it has a lot to do with societal pressure and workplace sexism. If you don't believe it, you don't understand Japanese culture and you need to read up.

I've already said there were multiple factors and I highlighted many of them. Anime and video games are a factor whether you like it or not. Most people don't mention it because they don't have the balls to put their hobbies in a bad light, even when they know it is sometimes.

I play videogames and watch anime movies, but at moderate doses. Many people in Japanese has an unhealthy obsession with it. The consequence of Anime pandering to subcultures hasn't gone unnoticed. Dating sims, virtual girlfriends, anime obsession, reclusive gaming, social withdrawals are becoming the norm in Japan. They leave men unable to deal with real women and they find real women "scary" because they're nothing like the anime characters.

There are thousands of articles on the internet explaining the reasons behind Japan's population decline. Many of those articles share the same views as I do. This just one of them:

http://theweek.com/articles/453219/everything-need-know-about-japans-population-crisis

If you want to ignore it, that's YOUR problem, not mine.
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GiftedACIII
05/08/18 5:57:09 PM
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GreatEvilEmpire posted...
I've backed everything up. You haven't. If you'd take your head out of your ass instead of denying everything, you'd actually see the big picture. I already posted numerous articles on how over 50% of Japanese women leaving the workforce after giving birth to a child. And it has a lot to do with societal pressure and workplace sexism. If you don't believe it, you don't understand Japanese culture and you need to read up.

All you've given are random unrelated things and correlated them together without any evidence to link them. I can do that too. America has a gun crisis. America also has a declining birth rate.Therefore America's gun crisis is the reason why America has a declining birth rate. And lol as someone who's actually lived in Asia for school I understand hell of a lot more about it than you who bases all his knowledge about it from English made internet articles and video game news. That's the original definition of a weeb. So many internet dorks who think they understand the slightest thing about another culture from reading about it on the web when they've likely never even left their state/province let alone the country.
GreatEvilEmpire posted...
Anime and video games are a factor whether you like it or not. Most people don't mention it because they don't have the balls to put their hobbies in a bad light, even when they know it is sometimes.

Yeah, that's why European countries who don't watch as much anime have just as bad birth/sex rates right? And why countries like Brazil, Russia, and the Phillipines that actually watch more anime than Americans have far higher birth and sex rates right? You've fallen into the most basic trap that uneducated and ignorant people fall into- that things they think make sense trumps hard facts and reality. It makes sense that violent video games should make people who play it more violent. However studies have shown the link is actually very negligible. Nowhere has there been any actual evidence that correlate watching anime or video games with a decrease in sexual activity other than you thinking "it makes sense" which is a true simpleton's mindset.
GreatEvilEmpire posted...
I play videogames and watch anime movies, The consequence of Anime pandering to subcultures hasn't gone unnoticed.s behind Japan's population decline. Many of those articles share the same views as I do. This just one of them:

If you want to ignore it, that's YOUR problem, not mine.

That is an opinion piece with conclusions made by a writer, not a study made by a researcher. There are plenty of articles about how violent video games and the American men are the reason for the mass murder epidemic. Does that suddenly make it true? It's certainly your problem that you base your worldview off clickbait internet articles and your own predisposed bias and not through an academic perspective.

Here I'll make it easy for you.
You correlate random problems (which I'm not denying they aren't) like workplace sexism, work culture and anime with low sex/birth rate despite other countries who don't have those also having low birth/sex rates and on the contrary, countries that DO have those have higher sex/birth rates with no evidence that they're linked other than you think so.
I'm correlating low birth/sex rates with the increase in sex education (and education overall) and am supported by the fact that every country with high education and development do have lower sex/birth rates.
Your hypothesis needs massive amounts of reaching, excuses, and denial (you can't compare cultures with each other). Mine is straightforward non-contradictory logic. And the cherry on top is that mine is actually supported by a study.
Like I said, educate yourself and learn to "read up" actual studies or books dedicated to the culture if you're not going to experience it yourself and not a 5 minute opinionated article from an internet writer.
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