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mastermix3000 05/02/18 6:35:53 PM #1: |
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Lokarin 05/02/18 6:42:57 PM #2: |
He's been listening to too much Gman
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Andromicus 05/02/18 6:45:47 PM #3: |
Can we stop using mental ill people for our entertainment?
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green dragon 05/02/18 6:51:17 PM #4: |
Kanye was talking crazy until towards the end of the video.
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Zeus 05/02/18 6:55:31 PM #5: |
He's been one of my faves for a while given his bizarre interviews and outrageous nonsense. Never been into his actual music, other than "Power" which kept popping up in SR3 or SR4 and was kinda catchy.
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OhhhJa 05/02/18 7:04:29 PM #6: |
He's definitely right that people don't think for themselves and are puppets of the media. I've also yet to really figure out what Trump has done to hurt the black community... I feel like the media has bombarded people with so much clickbait assuring everyone he's a racist and people have begun to just believe it must be true because they've read it so much
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Golden Road 05/02/18 7:07:27 PM #7: |
Kanye has been an awful person for years, and is still an awful person.
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adjl 05/02/18 7:11:36 PM #8: |
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mastermix3000 05/02/18 7:11:47 PM #9: |
It is bizarre but I have been reading about spirituality lately, it is no coincidence that this has something to do with it
Kanye isnt saying any crazy talk his slavery being a choice comment was not the best thing to say within his main message about all of us being controlled in society The media is constantly asking everyone about the slave comment and I really really wish he did not say that because that is the only thing people got out of his rant and trust me, what he is saying goes far beyond that comment People were afraid to go against it. Im not pro slavery or pro trump whatever but logically the people had the choice to continue being slaves OR risk their lives to free themselves - this is what Kanye is getting at. Harriet Tubman risked her life to free slaves because she knew she was more than that, blacks were more than that. We are all more than that and she risked her life by choosing to go against slavery. She succeeded. We have the choice to free ourselves from everything that doesnt align with what we find is best for ourselves. For example society complains about political corruption. Society has all the tools to get rid of corrupt politics but they dont. Why? Arent we slaves to this corrupt system as we just sit and dont do anything to fix it? Arent we technically choosing to have corrupt politicians in office? He is trying to wake people up. I never thought Kanye West would be the celebrity to be the first to attempt this but I realize he is not crazy. In fact he is one of the few sane ones Again I really really wish he didnt say the slave comment because a lot of people are misinterpreting it AND putting way more focus on it than it needs This is literally just the beginning of universal awakening. It is crazy to understand what hes saying, know hes right, but the majority are calling him mentally insane --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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OhhhJa 05/02/18 7:12:39 PM #10: |
adjl posted...
Zeus posted...Can you stop using mental illness as an insult? Well he was obviously using it as an insult to Kanye ... Copied to Clipboard!
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mastermix3000 05/02/18 7:15:46 PM #11: |
OhhhJa posted...
He's definitely right that people don't think for themselves and are puppets of the media. I've also yet to really figure out what Trump has done to hurt the black community... I feel like the media has bombarded people with so much clickbait assuring everyone he's a racist and people have begun to just believe it must be true because they've read it so much Its not really the media but how we were raised. People still classify themselves as Republican or Democrat why cant people think without aligning themselves within some party Youre absolutely right, society has gone through the shitter but when he said that the universe got to him I wanted to give him a hug because it is obvious he is using his platform for a good cause. He now has people questioning everything Im just... cant believe Kanye West was the one to wake up first. Gained so much respect for him on not being scared of what people think --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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green dragon 05/02/18 7:28:23 PM #12: |
I was on my phone earlier, so let me elaborate a little bit.
mastermix3000 posted... Kanye isnt saying any crazy talk his slavery being a choice comment was not the best thing to say within his main message about all of us being controlled in society I actually liked his slavery comment because it's 100% true. Like you said, slavery was indeed a choice. The other choice was to run, fight back, die, etc. I wanna say that I actually heard that actually heard the whole "slavery being a choice" thing somewhere else. Pretty sure Ye wasn't the first famous person to say that. I do appreciate the whole "live your life, think for yourself" message. I don't think the message was crazy. I agreed with most of what he said actually (a few things didn't jive with me), but the way he presented himself and his thoughts were not good. The whole black on black crime thing Ye mentioned was not rational. I agree with what the other black guy said up to a point. I agree with Kanye that we should treat each other with love and yatta yatta. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Golden Road 05/02/18 7:31:24 PM #13: |
mastermix3000 posted...
Im just... cant believe Kanye West was the one to wake up first. Gained so much respect for him on not being scared of what people think Not caring what people think does not mean he's "awake." "We should behead puppies" is an unpopular opinion. Would saying that make someone seem smart just because they said something controversial? --- Who's your favorite character from "Bend It Like Beckham"? And you can't say Beckham. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GanglyKhan 05/02/18 7:33:14 PM #14: |
He's been on this modern slave thing for a decade, man. It's nothing new for him, but it's the first time he's been insanely blunt about it. Go listen to Crack Music or Diamonds From Sierra Leone or Blood on the Leaves or HEY, WHAT ABOUT THAT SONG ON YEEZUS LITERALLY CALLED "NEW SLAVES"?
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Blightzkrieg 05/02/18 7:35:01 PM #15: |
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OhhhJa 05/02/18 7:53:19 PM #16: |
I agreed with some of what the other dude was saying like when he was saying that black people are fighting against black on black crime and that the media is at fault for not shining a light on that. But I didn't like him trying to tell him he can't say what he wants to say because his words have consequences. I mean... obviously they do in the social media age. You shouldn't try to force someone to censor themselves though because of public pressure. That's exactly the problem Kanye is addressing when talking about social media witch hunts preventing people from actually saying what they feel and confirming to the status quo
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OhhhJa 05/02/18 7:55:45 PM #17: |
I also think its an oversimplification to say slavery is a choice. Ultimately... yes it is a choice between that or death but a lot of people were born into it and don't know any different. Many were probably so conditioned that they assumed their life was supposed to be that way. They had no access to education or anything to show them otherwise. And without outside resources it was literally work or fight and die
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GanglyKhan 05/02/18 8:08:14 PM #18: |
OhhhJa posted...
I also think its an oversimplification to say slavery is a choice. Ultimately... yes it is a choice between that or death but a lot of people were born into it and don't know any different. Many were probably so conditioned that they assumed their life was supposed to be that way. They had no access to education or anything to show them otherwise. And without outside resources it was literally work or fight and die I knew someone would say this! And that actually gets me excited because I want to discuss it. Actions and choices still have consequences. Is it a shame that we have generations of people that are raised to believe in archaic systems and to also make what society would call bad choices? Yes, that is highly upsetting, however, these people all have access to the news, to media, to education, and to growth opportunities. Through all of these things, they're given dozens of chances to figure the world out and be an independent thinker, yet few take that opportunity. And that's a damn global issue, not just in these impoverished and ignorant areas of America (please note I'm leaving race out of it because the concept of modern slavery knows no color, but class). Through even the simplest things like cartoons, good ethics and morals are available for the taking at an early age, through teenage years, there are youth outreach programs and community involvement opportunities where the benefits are widely broadcast, yet a lot of people don't take those chances up. So yes, it is a small travesty that people are unfortunately born in circumstances that pit the real world against them because of faulty societal structures, but throughout their lives, they are given many different approaches for bettering themselves. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter if someone who was born in great circumstances or poor circumstances commits some dumb or heinous acts, they still did something dumb or heinous and that's the end effect there. At some point, people have to start thinking differently and get themselves out of the situations they find themselves in. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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VioletZer0 05/02/18 8:12:13 PM #19: |
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Zeus 05/02/18 8:12:22 PM #20: |
Golden Road posted...
Kanye has been an awful person for years, and is still an awful person. lolwut? Just stop. OhhhJa posted... adjl posted...Zeus posted...Can you stop using mental illness as an insult? Yes, that was fairly evident unless adjl was slyly attempting to apply it as an insult as well. green dragon posted... I actually liked his slavery comment because it's 100% true. Like you said, slavery was indeed a choice. The other choice was to run, fight back, die, etc. I wanna say that I actually heard that actually heard the whole "slavery being a choice" thing somewhere else. Pretty sure Ye wasn't the first famous person to say that. tbh, that was also kinda my takeaway from the remark but he certainly could have explained it more clearly. And, while some certainly did rebel or flee, framing it as a choice will always seem a little glib given the risks involved -- that said, every revolution in history was also a "choice" and carried with fatal consequences. --- (\/)(\/)|-| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GanglyKhan 05/02/18 8:14:07 PM #21: |
Man, I'm getting sick of this "omg [person] plays video games and watches anime? Whoaaaaa!" thing. They're both super common things in today's society. The theaters near me play anime films on a weekly basis, and I'm not even in a location that has like a million people or anything.
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Revelation34 05/02/18 8:22:25 PM #22: |
GanglyKhan posted...
Man, I'm getting sick of this "omg [person] plays video games and watches anime? Whoaaaaa!" thing. They're both super common things in today's society. The theaters near me play anime films on a weekly basis, and I'm not even in a location that has like a million people or anything. Games yes, anime no. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zeus 05/02/18 8:29:03 PM #23: |
GanglyKhan posted...
Man, I'm getting sick of this "omg [person] plays video games and watches anime? Whoaaaaa!" thing. They're both super common things in today's society. The theaters near me play anime films on a weekly basis, and I'm not even in a location that has like a million people or anything. Well, it's fundamentally no different than other interests on some level, but both are markedly rarer than interests in things like sports. And, more generally, I'm reasonably sure that blacks are underrepresented when it comes to anime viewership. --- (\/)(\/)|-| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GanglyKhan 05/02/18 8:29:46 PM #24: |
Revelation34 posted...
GanglyKhan posted...Man, I'm getting sick of this "omg [person] plays video games and watches anime? Whoaaaaa!" thing. They're both super common things in today's society. The theaters near me play anime films on a weekly basis, and I'm not even in a location that has like a million people or anything. Go to Netflix and see how much anime they're funding. They are spending their own earnings to get light novels and manga adapted. Hulu also has a decent amount on there and for a time was the only Western service to have One Punch Man, something they advertised heavily. I would certainly argue that anime is not as prolific as video games are, but it definitely is no longer a niche item. Zeus posted... And, more generally, I'm reasonably sure that blacks are underrepresented when it comes to anime viewership. I've always wondered if this was a stereotype or what. It certainly does seem that anime and black American culture are ingrained to a substantial degree. Same goes for Kingdom Hearts, I've noticed (?) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Revelation34 05/02/18 8:55:59 PM #25: |
GanglyKhan posted...
Go to Netflix and see how much anime they're funding. They are spending their own earnings to get light novels and manga adapted. Hulu also has a decent amount on there and for a time was the only Western service to have One Punch Man, something they advertised heavily. I would certainly argue that anime is not as prolific as video games are, but it definitely is no longer a niche item. It is definitely still a niche item. Most people still pirate anime too. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zeus 05/03/18 12:21:12 AM #26: |
GanglyKhan posted...
It certainly does seem that anime and black American culture are ingrained to a substantial degree. What? --- (\/)(\/)|-| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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adjl 05/03/18 7:00:39 AM #27: |
OhhhJa posted...
adjl posted...Zeus posted...Can you stop using mental illness as an insult? Or an observation. The presumption that it's an insult is in fact using it as an insult yourself. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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OhhhJa 05/03/18 10:59:49 AM #28: |
adjl posted...
OhhhJa posted...adjl posted...Zeus posted...Can you stop using mental illness as an insult? As far as I know, Kanye hasn't made a public admission to being diagnosed with a mental illness so presuming that he has one to ridicule what he's saying in the video is pretty insulting... and I think you're being a little willfully dense if you don't think he was using it as an insult (especially knowing what his political leanings are). ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Revelation34 05/03/18 11:35:59 AM #29: |
OhhhJa posted...
As far as I know, Kanye hasn't made a public admission to being diagnosed with a mental illness so presuming that he has one to ridicule what he's saying in the video is pretty insulting... and I think you're being a little willfully dense if you don't think he was using it as an insult (especially knowing what his political leanings are). Is it insulting if Kanye never hears about it? --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Andromicus 05/03/18 11:57:34 AM #30: |
Hmm suddenly people care about his opinion on things
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OhhhJa 05/03/18 12:07:24 PM #31: |
Andromicus posted...
Hmm suddenly people care about his opinion on things Well, he's always been a media spectacle that people talk about. I do think it's funny that suddenly because he wore a maga hat he's basically Hitler ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GunslingerGunsl 05/03/18 2:03:43 PM #32: |
mastermix3000 posted...
It is bizarre but I have been reading about spirituality lately, it is no coincidence that this has something to do with it It was as much of a choice for black people as the holocaust was a choice for Jews. Tremendously stupid comment. Of course we have a choice to fight against injustice. We have a choice for everything we do. To use the word choice in this context is completely stupid and misses the whole point. Are we gonna say that to be a rape victim is a choice too just based on the fact that they could fight back if they choose? Kanye has always been an idiot. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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mastermix3000 05/03/18 3:50:35 PM #33: |
GunslingerGunsl posted...
It was as much of a choice for black people as the holocaust was a choice for Jews. Tremendously stupid comment. Of course we have a choice to fight against injustice. We have a choice for everything we do. To use the word choice in this context is completely stupid and misses the whole point. Are we gonna say that to be a rape victim is a choice too just based on the fact that they could fight back if they choose? You act like one person's actions don't affect other people...... The rapist chose to rape the rape victim. Obviously there is more to it but the word choice is used correctly. Stop looking at everything like it's black and white. You will not understand if you continue to do so --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DirtBasedSoap 05/03/18 4:13:24 PM #34: |
kanye got fucked with by TBTB when he went on his rant on stage a couple years ago and hasnt been the same since.
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GunslingerGunsl 05/03/18 6:22:45 PM #35: |
mastermix3000 posted...
GunslingerGunsl posted...It was as much of a choice for black people as the holocaust was a choice for Jews. Tremendously stupid comment. Of course we have a choice to fight against injustice. We have a choice for everything we do. To use the word choice in this context is completely stupid and misses the whole point. Are we gonna say that to be a rape victim is a choice too just based on the fact that they could fight back if they choose? That was exactly my point, thanks. The slave owner chose to oppress the slave. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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adjl 05/03/18 8:05:07 PM #36: |
OhhhJa posted...
As far as I know, Kanye hasn't made a public admission to being diagnosed with a mental illness so presuming that he has one to ridicule what he's saying in the video is pretty insulting... But that's the opposite of what was said in the original quote: Andromicus posted... Can we stop using mental ill people for our entertainment? That was not calling him mentally ill for the purpose of ridiculing him. That was saying that he's seems to be mentally ill, and that society's insistence on being amused by his ranting instead of sympathetic to his condition is insulting and disrespectful. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Revelation34 05/03/18 8:47:09 PM #37: |
adjl posted...
That was not calling him mentally ill for the purpose of ridiculing him. That was saying that he's seems to be mentally ill, and that society's insistence on being amused by his ranting instead of sympathetic to his condition is insulting and disrespectful. Saying somebody has a mental illness without any proof is ridiculing them. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms ... Copied to Clipboard!
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OhhhJa 05/03/18 9:26:11 PM #38: |
Revelation34 posted...
adjl posted...That was not calling him mentally ill for the purpose of ridiculing him. That was saying that he's seems to be mentally ill, and that society's insistence on being amused by his ranting instead of sympathetic to his condition is insulting and disrespectful. Hey man, it's not nice to argue with the mentally ill ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lokarin 05/03/18 9:43:05 PM #39: |
Kanye West doesn't care about black people
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Monopoman 05/03/18 9:47:11 PM #40: |
It's hilarious watching Kanye back Trump when he was so anti-Bush back in the early 2000's this guy seems to be going from hard left to hard right over the years.
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Xialoh 05/03/18 10:11:05 PM #41: |
Hmm. I think Kanye is about to have an unfortunate accident.
I also can't help wondering why it is that people talk about supporting Trump as if you're a traitor to your country. He was voted in by at least nearly half of the population so this is all very...absurd. --- "Perhaps it's impossible to wear an identity without becoming what you pretend to be." - Orson Scott Card, Ender's Game ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zeus 05/06/18 12:08:28 AM #42: |
My all-time favorite Kanye quote is probably, My greatest pain in life is that I will never be able to see myself perform live.
adjl posted... Or an observation. The presumption that it's an insult is in fact using it as an insult yourself. Randomly accusing people of being mentally ill only has an insulting connotation. Revelation34 posted... OhhhJa posted...As far as I know, Kanye hasn't made a public admission to being diagnosed with a mental illness so presuming that he has one to ridicule what he's saying in the video is pretty insulting... and I think you're being a little willfully dense if you don't think he was using it as an insult (especially knowing what his political leanings are). The complaint was using mental illness as an insult. The subject of an insult doesn't need to hear an insult for it to be an insult. The nature remains unchanged. GunslingerGunsl posted... It was as much of a choice for black people as the holocaust was a choice for Jews. Not really true, considering that the Holocaust occurred over a much shorter span of time, its victims were trapped in camps with heavily armed guards for most of it, and the country was a military state at the time. The lives of slaves were seen as having monetary value to individuals, whereas the lives of Jews were seen as having no value so there was a greater incentive to keep slaves alive compared to Jews who would often just be killed instead. Then the legal risks for helping escaped slaves were far lower than the risks with helping Jews escape, which is one reason they received more support when it came to helping them escape. adjl posted... That was not calling him mentally ill for the purpose of ridiculing him. That was saying that he's seems to be mentally ill, and that society's insistence on being amused by his ranting instead of sympathetic to his condition is insulting and disrespectful. It's very clearly accusing him of being mentally ill specifically for the purposes of mocking him and diminishing the merits of what he has to say. Monopoman posted... It's hilarious watching Kanye back Trump when he was so anti-Bush back in the early 2000's this guy seems to be going from hard left to hard right over the years. I'm not sure that there's necessarily a left-right paradigm in play so much as it is just him having a better relationship with Trump. And, considering that both men share some common personality traits, it's not surprising that they'd get along. --- (\/)(\/)|-| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FatalAccident 05/06/18 1:29:04 AM #43: |
I dont really care how you rationalise it, saying slavery was a choice just shows you have absolutely no grasp of history whatsoever.
Now when you mention that the other choices were running, fighting etc. Yeah I get that but we all know thats not what he meant, and thats not how it came across. The only benefit of the doubt I can give him was that his comment after that was alluding to Marcus Garvey talking about mental imprisonment of slaves and eventually the black people who descended from them. But he muddled his way around that point and didnt even fully commit to it. Other than that, there is nothing else to glean from his comments other than pure ignorance and the words of somebody whos flooded himself with drugs. Disappointing to see people ITT actually giving any kind of positive spin on this. Im not even descended from slaves myself and I still feel insulted He should know better, and so should some of you --- *walks away* ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lokarin 05/06/18 5:03:17 AM #44: |
He wasn't saying slavery was a choice - he's saying still calling yourself a slave victim when slavery has been over for 150 years is a choice.
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FatalAccident 05/06/18 5:07:18 AM #45: |
Lokarin posted...
He wasn't saying slavery was a choice - he's saying still calling yourself a slave victim when slavery has been over for 150 years is a choice. literally he said slavery was a choice wheres your head at --- *walks away* ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ClarkDuke 05/06/18 5:08:57 AM #46: |
Zeus posted...
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Lokarin 05/06/18 5:12:59 AM #47: |
FatalAccident posted...
Lokarin posted...He wasn't saying slavery was a choice - he's saying still calling yourself a slave victim when slavery has been over for 150 years is a choice. His very next sentence after that --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FatalAccident 05/06/18 5:19:04 AM #48: |
literally he said slavery was a choice and it was pretty clear what he meant regardless of how he tried to qualify it
umm not really sure what you don't understand --- *walks away* ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lokarin 05/06/18 5:19:40 AM #49: |
FatalAccident posted...
literally he said slavery was a choice and it was pretty clear what he meant regardless of how he tried to qualify it I bumped my topic with the explanation in it --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Baardmeester 05/06/18 8:51:59 AM #50: |
Is that disgusting host, who's jewish ancestors where the front runners of slavery, saying Kanye should apologize about his comment?
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