Board 8 > Hypothetically, if you found out a friend started taking meth, what do?

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In this situation, he doesnt know you know and has a very addictive personality.
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Punch him until he learns better. Then punch him some more to make sure the point is clear. Whole lot of punching going on over here.
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Contact his family and let them know, recommend he goes to rehab ASAP. If he doesn't have that kind of support net, tell him you know and to go to rehab. This is something that can get exponentially worse so it's something you want to address like, tomorrow. Be careful not to get too sucked into the problem though - there's only so much you can do to help in this situation.
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Rehab or get the hell away from me.

Drugs like that are a deal breaker.
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Panthera posted...

Punch him until he learns better. Then punch him some more to make sure the point is clear. Whole lot of punching going on over here.

I dunno, I think punching somebody on a drug that causes people to stop feeling pain seems dangerous.
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Panthera posted...

Punch him until he learns better. Then punch him some more to make sure the point is clear. Whole lot of punching going on over here.

I dunno, I think punching somebody on a drug that causes people to stop feeling pain seems dangerous.

When he wakes up the next day in a coma he'll realize how bad the drug was fucking with him
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You think a person on a mind altering stimulant is just gonna sit there?

In that scenario, its not the methhead who Im worried about.
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

You think a person on a mind altering stimulant is just gonna sit there?

In that scenario, its not the methhead who Im worried about.

Nah bro you don't get it, I'll just punch him even harder. It's sweet of you to worry about my hand but it will be fine, I barely even feel the pain anymore.
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Alert authorities and their family.
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theyre your friend, definitely dont call the police thats insane

i honestly think a direct approach of telling them "hey, i know, im worried about you" is the best bet. if oyu cant break through to them then alert their family and hopefully get them the help they need. like whoever above said, dont get too sucked into the problem. theyre your friend and you should care and try to help, but you only have so much responsibility in this scenario
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I only have two close friends. One is a goofball and I'd ask her why she's taking meth when she's already silly when she's sober. The other absolutely HATES bad drugs and has nothing but disdain for people who use them, so if she took meth I'd have to ask her wtf changed her personality.
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Smoke some with them
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Nothing
He is responsible for his own problems
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you people are cold
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Just talk to them?

People are so weird about drugs
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I'm pretty sure my roommate has done meth before, but he doesn't have too much of an addictive personality... well except for something else

even so I let people do what they want, if they wanna do meth then it's their teeth they're fucking up, not mine. I would still warn them of the danger and try to recommend better drugs
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KamikazePotato posted...

Contact his family and let them know, recommend he goes to rehab ASAP. If he doesn't have that kind of support net, tell him you know and to go to rehab. This is something that can get exponentially worse so it's something you want to address like, tomorrow. Be careful not to get too sucked into the problem though - there's only so much you can do to help in this situation.

Okay this is a huge misconception thrown around from those who have never had substance abuse problems.

If say I, who have never touched alcohol, or heroin, or anything, started very lightly getting my toes wet and experimenting. It takes weeks and months to develop large tolerances and many find such drugs a scary experience or see the many other downsides and never get into trouble.

If I had 2 beers one night are you now planning my intervention??

Rehab is for those athat rock bottom, not some kid who wants to experiment with drugs every once in a while.
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"Dude... why meth?" seems like a good way to open the conversation. It shows disapproval without going straight to an extreme. I don't know what kind of relationship you two have so it is hard to say how the rest of the conversation should play out.

You should talk to them about it but know you might not be able to do anything about it. They might need to hear it from someone else or might not be open to it at all.
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FlyingForever posted...

Rehab is for those athat rock bottom, not some kid who wants to experiment with drugs every once in a while

He did say he has an addictive personality (whatever that means).

Though it also imples not drugs, cause...why not just say that then.
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Breaking meth addiction is VERY HARD. The very idea that he's taking meth is something that warrants rehab. It's not like alcohol.

Speaking from personal experience, it might be best to talk to him about it. But 1) do NOT take an accusatory tone, 2) try to team up with a family member of his, and 3) make it as clear as possible that you're worried about him and are only doing this because you're his friend and you care about his life. He will likely get very defensive.

I presume you're noticing because his hair and teeth look unhealthy, he's kind of out of it, you've found tin foil in weird places...

Good luck.
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How often is the friend using ?
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ProfitProphet posted...

Smoke some with them

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ProfitProphet posted...

Smoke some with them

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I think Shake and Bake meth screws up your teeth. Not crystal.
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FlyingForever posted...

If say I, who have never touched alcohol, or heroin, or anything, started very lightly getting my toes wet and experimenting.

Jumping from alcohol to heroin isn't a normal occurrence or a remotely fair comparison.

Same goes for alcohol to meth.
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FlyingForever posted...

Okay this is a huge misconception thrown around from those who have never had substance abuse problems.

If say I, who have never touched alcohol, or heroin, or anything, started very lightly getting my toes wet and experimenting. It takes weeks and months to develop large tolerances and many find such drugs a scary experience or see the many other downsides and never get into trouble.

If I had 2 beers one night are you now planning my intervention??

Rehab is for those athat rock bottom, not some kid who wants to experiment with drugs every once in a while.

This is a really dumb post
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FlyingForever posted...

KamikazePotato posted...

Contact his family and let them know, recommend he goes to rehab ASAP. If he doesn't have that kind of support net, tell him you know and to go to rehab. This is something that can get exponentially worse so it's something you want to address like, tomorrow. Be careful not to get too sucked into the problem though - there's only so much you can do to help in this situation.

Okay this is a huge misconception thrown around from those who have never had substance abuse problems.

If say I, who have never touched alcohol, or heroin, or anything, started very lightly getting my toes wet and experimenting. It takes weeks and months to develop large tolerances and many find such drugs a scary experience or see the many other downsides and never get into trouble.

If I had 2 beers one night are you now planning my intervention??

Rehab is for those athat rock bottom, not some kid who wants to experiment with drugs every once in a while.

Should I wait until he's an out of control addict that lies and steals to feed his habit before I tell him that he should stop doing meth? Is that the best and easiest time for him to stop doing meth?
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I don't really know what's worse

"He just wants to experiment with meth, man, don't be a buzzkill. Nothing could go wrong with experimenting with meth"

or

"Whoa, hold on, here. Let's get the real facts about recognizing when something might or might not turn into an addiction from the real pros: addicts."
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Is meth really a one and done drug like you guys are saying though?

You guys sound like republicans about weed
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pjbasis posted...

Is meth really a one and done drug like you guys are saying though?

You guys sound like republicans about weed

Depends. It gives you like a 24 hour high. Many just keep using it every day to keep the high.

It doesn't have a terrible withdrawal besides not feeling all those dopamine chemicals after it wears off.
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pjbasis posted...

Is meth really a one and done drug like you guys are saying though?

You guys sound like republicans about weed

I have no idea if it's that "one and done", but the harm that meth causes is well-recorded and scientifically valid, whereas marijuana has a lot of stuff made up about it, with actual scientific research treating it more favorably.

Is there falsehoods about meth? Yeah, probably, but even with that in mind, it's still not comparable to weed or alcohol.
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I never really compared it to weed or alcohol, but it might be just as possible to use in a controlled recreational manner.

I don't think drugs are really the slippery slopes of death people make them out to be.
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Meth and heroin are absolutely horrendous for you. I've seen cases in-person of people who had their lives entirely ruined by it. Putting them in the same breath as alcohol or weed is both ignorant and dangerous.
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KamikazePotato posted...

Meth and heroin are absolutely horrendous for you. I've seen cases in-person of people who had their lives entirely ruined by it. Putting them in the same breath as alcohol or weed is both ignorant and dangerous.

That person who gouged their eyes out a few months ago was on Meth I think.
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MysticBrohan posted...

theyre your friend, definitely dont call the police thats insane

i honestly think a direct approach of telling them "hey, i know, im worried about you" is the best bet. if oyu cant break through to them then alert their family and hopefully get them the help they need. like whoever above said, dont get too sucked into the problem. theyre your friend and you should care and try to help, but you only have so much responsibility in this scenario

All of this. He's your friend, go to him directly instead of going behind his back. If he won't listen then yeah you may need to alert his family and/or mutual friends (and probably fair to let him know up front that's what you're going to do if he doesn't stop).
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pjbasis posted...

I never really compared it to weed or alcohol, but it might be just as possible to use in a controlled recreational manner.

I don't think drugs are really the slippery slopes of death people make them out to be.

I agree that they aren't the slippery slope of death... usually.

Meth and heroin, however, are definitely the slippery slope of death.

I do think they deserve careful study in a scientific environment, though. But as recreational drugs go, though, absolutely not.
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holy shit this board never ceases to amaze.

y'all have the social acumen of a child with you-know-what

talk to him. See what it's about. Did he just do it to party a couple times? Is it becoming a thing? Talk to him about life. People don't get addicted to drugs out of nowhere because things are going well and they're happy people.
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what is you-know-what, i'm a toddler with the intellectual acumen of a 28 year old
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greengravy294 posted...

what is you-know-what,

autism?

Also meth and heroin are the worst drugs, although I think you can try meth without it immediately causing an addiction. Not that I would know from experience, but I have a couple friends who've tried it and never got hooked. Heroin on the other hand, I've seen a lot of people get lost to that.

but comparing those to weed is ridiculous, there is nothing bad about marijuana
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Aren't amphetamines and opioids prescribed by doctors all the time? I know it's often addiction to those legal versions that leads people to meth and heroin. But still that doesn't make meth and heroin a one and done death sentence.
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methamphetamine != amphetamine
oxycontin != fentanyl != heroin
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Just talk with him. So many people are going to such extremes.

Just talk with him. Figure out who his dealer is then be like ' oh he's notorious for cutting his product and selling it for too much. I'll sell to you for cheap and you already know I'm not shady'. Get his business. Then slowly start cutting his meth over time until you're pretty much just giving him crystallized sugar and it's all profit. And he'll be off the drug.

Then you say 'seems you've built up a tolerance to meth, have you tried heroine?'
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OliviaTremor posted...

Just talk with him. So many people are going to such extremes.

Just talk with him. Figure out who his dealer is then be like ' oh he's notorious for cutting his product and selling it for too much. I'll sell to you for cheap and you already know I'm not shady'. Get his business. Then slowly start cutting his meth over time until you're pretty much just giving him crystallized sugar and it's all profit. And he'll be off the drug.

Then you say 'seems you've built up a tolerance to meth, have you tried heroine?'

You sly motherfucker.
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KamikazePotato posted...

Meth and heroin are absolutely horrendous for you. I've seen cases in-person of people who had their lives entirely ruined by it. Putting them in the same breath as alcohol or weed is both ignorant and dangerous.

I think it's weird to imply here that the average person doesn't see way more cases of people whose lives have been ruined by alcohol.

Like I don't think any of us are going to have a representative sample from anecdotal experience but still, alcohol can definitely really easily ruin someone's life.
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Kenri posted...

KamikazePotato posted...

Meth and heroin are absolutely horrendous for you. I've seen cases in-person of people who had their lives entirely ruined by it. Putting them in the same breath as alcohol or weed is both ignorant and dangerous.

I think it's weird to imply here that the average person doesn't see way more cases of people whose lives have been ruined by alcohol.

Like I don't think any of us are going to have a representative sample from anecdotal experience but still, alcohol can definitely really easily ruin someone's life.

Not at the rate meth and heroin do, though.

Anything can ruin someone's life if they get addicted to it. Doesn't mean it's meth or heroin.
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Nothing. It's their life, and none of my business.
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KujikawaRising posted...

Breaking meth addiction is VERY HARD. The very idea that he's taking meth is something that warrants rehab. It's not like alcohol.

Speaking from personal experience, it might be best to talk to him about it. But 1) do NOT take an accusatory tone, 2) try to team up with a family member of his, and 3) make it as clear as possible that you're worried about him and are only doing this because you're his friend and you care about his life. He will likely get very defensive.

I presume you're noticing because his hair and teeth look unhealthy, he's kind of out of it, you've found tin foil in weird places...

Good luck.

This 100%.

I have someone very close to me who is addicted. This is serious. Act fast, but you have to be as empathetic as you can. It's hard.
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NFUN posted...

methamphetamine != amphetamine
oxycontin != fentanyl != heroin

And yet people go down that path despite the substances not being 100% identical. Curious.
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