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Vlado
05/04/18 2:00:55 PM
#301:


Mr Lasastryke posted...
no, they mustn't.

Of course they must. A government's duty is to take care of its citizens FIRST AND FOREMOST. You know, the taxpayers? The ones who provide the government with money and the ones whose employees government officials are.

If a government prioritises ANYONE over its citizens, then it does not work for the good of the people it governs, i.e. it has no right to govern and should be overthrown as quickly as possible.

Peace___Frog posted...
Lol. Statistics do not provide facts and objective realities. Any attempt to assert otherwise is an attempt to gaslight one's audience. You are the one who cannot accept that statistics are not an entire picture, they can only inform and direct.

As I said, if your only argument is "But the numbers" then your argument is trash.

As I said before, the world, and healthy perception of objective reality, is based on probability and statistics. In other words, on FACTS. There is nothing that we can trust more than facts.

That is, if we actually want to understand the world and be functional in it. Marxists who choose to reject objective reality and create their own fictional alternative realities to believe in obviously do not follow this basic rule.

TheRock1525 posted...
Vlado posted...
https://grayzoneproject.com/2018/04/19/exclusive-emails-show-how-the-white-helmets-tried-to-recruit-roger-waters-with-saudi-money/


Why are you citing liberal media?

I know I've proven my point when this is all the response you can muster.
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Peace___Frog
05/04/18 2:09:47 PM
#302:


Vlado posted...
As I said before, the world, and healthy perception of objective reality, is based on probability and statistics. In other words, on FACTS. There is nothing that we can trust more than facts.

And as I said, probabilities and statistics are not facts. They are merely hints as to the true nature of objective reality, not objective reality within themselves. Numbers do not have a voice of their own, and they are dependent upon interpretation. Due to your poor education in a second world country, you do not grasp the fact thatyour interpretation is flawed.

You are the equivalent of a man putting on a blindfold and complaining that the sun disappeared.
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Vlado
05/04/18 2:10:08 PM
#303:


A federal judge on Friday harshly rebuked Special Counsel Robert Muellers team during a hearing for ex-Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort suggesting they lied about the scope of the investigation, are seeking unfettered power and are more interested in bringing down the president.

"You don't really care about Mr. Manafort, U.S. District Judge T.S. Ellis III told Muellers team. You really care about what information Mr. Manafort can give you to lead you to Mr. Trump and an impeachment, or whatever."

Further, Ellis demanded to see the unredacted scope memo, a document outlining the scope of the special counsels Russia probe that congressional Republicans have also sought.

[...]

The Reagan-appointed judge asked Muellers team where they got the authority to indict Manafort on alleged crimes dating as far back as 2005.

The special counsel argues that Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein granted them broad authority in his May 2, 2017 letter appointing Mueller to this investigation. But after the revelation that the team is using information from the earlier DOJ probe, Ellis said that information did not arise out of the special counsel probe and therefore may not be within the scope of that investigation.

We dont want anyone with unfettered power, he said.

[...]

He summed up the argument of the Special Counsels Office as, "We said this was what [the] investigation was about, but we are not bound by it and we were lying."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/05/04/federal-judge-accuses-muellers-team-lying-trying-to-target-trump-cmon-man.html

Shockingly, there are still non-corrupt judges in the US... I am as surprised as you are!

The judge also gave the government two weeks to hand over the unredacted scope memo or provide an explanation why not -- after prosecutors were reluctant to do so, claiming it has material that doesnt pertain to Manafort.

Ill be the judge of that, Ellis said.

Badass! :)
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Vlado
05/04/18 2:11:36 PM
#304:


Peace___Frog posted...
Vlado posted...
As I said before, the world, and healthy perception of objective reality, is based on probability and statistics. In other words, on FACTS. There is nothing that we can trust more than facts.

And as I said, probabilities and statistics are not facts. They are merely hints as to the true nature of objective reality, not objective reality within themselves. Numbers do not have a voice of their own, and they are dependent upon interpretation. Due to your poor education in a second world country, you do not grasp the fact thatyour interpretation is flawed.

You are the equivalent of a man putting on a blindfold and complaining that the sun disappeared.

Statistics are based on facts, e.g. crime rate is based on crimes actually committed. Problem?
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Espeon
05/04/18 2:18:09 PM
#305:


Didnt a bunch of reports come out recently that showed that crime rates didnt increase with a rise in immigrant population?
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Peace___Frog
05/04/18 2:26:58 PM
#306:


Vlado posted...
crime rate is based on crimes actually committed.

And there it is, folks.

Crime rates are based on crimes actually reported, not crimes actually committed. Again, you do not deal in facts. You tell yourself that you do, because otherwise you'd realize that your outlook on life is warped.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
05/04/18 2:35:15 PM
#307:


Vlado posted...


http://www.foxnews.com/


XD! Imagine believing a globalist news source! Sad!
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ImTheMacheteGuy
05/04/18 2:37:46 PM
#308:


Vlado posted...
Peace___Frog posted...
Vlado posted...
As I said before, the world, and healthy perception of objective reality, is based on probability and statistics. In other words, on FACTS. There is nothing that we can trust more than facts.

And as I said, probabilities and statistics are not facts. They are merely hints as to the true nature of objective reality, not objective reality within themselves. Numbers do not have a voice of their own, and they are dependent upon interpretation. Due to your poor education in a second world country, you do not grasp the fact thatyour interpretation is flawed.

You are the equivalent of a man putting on a blindfold and complaining that the sun disappeared.

Statistics are based on facts, e.g. crime rate is based on crimes actually committed. Problem?


100% of users that I polled said that vlado is not a good poster. Therefore vlado is not a good poster. Fact!
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Corrik
05/04/18 2:50:07 PM
#309:


ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
Vlado posted...
Peace___Frog posted...
Vlado posted...
As I said before, the world, and healthy perception of objective reality, is based on probability and statistics. In other words, on FACTS. There is nothing that we can trust more than facts.

And as I said, probabilities and statistics are not facts. They are merely hints as to the true nature of objective reality, not objective reality within themselves. Numbers do not have a voice of their own, and they are dependent upon interpretation. Due to your poor education in a second world country, you do not grasp the fact thatyour interpretation is flawed.

You are the equivalent of a man putting on a blindfold and complaining that the sun disappeared.

Statistics are based on facts, e.g. crime rate is based on crimes actually committed. Problem?


100% of users that I polled said that vlado is not a good poster. Therefore vlado is not a good poster. Fact!

Lol
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Vlado
05/07/18 6:14:27 AM
#310:


Peace___Frog posted...
Vlado posted...
crime rate is based on crimes actually committed.

And there it is, folks.

Crime rates are based on crimes actually reported, not crimes actually committed.

Ah, so it's even higher than I think? I don't see how that's helping your case. :)
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Peace___Frog
05/07/18 6:53:45 AM
#311:


False. Your underlying assumption that statistics are based on facts is bunk, due to the inherent messiness of gathering data. Statistics can be gamed, especially by those who, shall we say, have a certain outcome in mind that they want to "prove".
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Vlado
05/07/18 8:17:48 AM
#312:


What is the "ulterior motive" of the people reporting crime statistics?

Your attempt to erase any and all facts by claiming statistics might not be 100% accurate is transparent, and no intelligent human being is going to buy it. It doesn't even matter if it's 100% accurate, as long as the general trend is accurate.

Still, answer my question so that we can have a laugh.
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TheRock1525
05/07/18 9:31:17 AM
#313:


Vlado posted...
What is the "ulterior motive" of the people reporting crime statistics?


I mean, you argued that Germany was putting out fake statistics when I said crime was down in 2017 and the lowest in 25 years.
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Vlado
05/07/18 9:33:23 AM
#314:


I mean, answer my question instead of trying to divert the conversation.
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LapisLazuli
05/07/18 9:35:22 AM
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ImTheMacheteGuy
05/07/18 12:55:30 PM
#316:


Vlado posted...
I mean, answer my question instead of trying to divert the conversation.


I mean, answer his question instead of trying to divert the conversation.
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Mythiot
05/07/18 7:38:07 PM
#317:


LapisLazuli posted...
"Dont divert the conversation." - Vlado
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ImTheMacheteGuy
05/07/18 8:11:08 PM
#318:


Mythiot posted...
LapisLazuli posted...
"Dont divert the conversation! I am the supreme overlord of conversation and I dictate what people can and can not converse about! I do not offer the freedom to speak, and so long as I am present in a conversation, the first amendment, and any parallel rights granted in non-US countries, are null and void! :)" - Vlado

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Vlado
05/08/18 4:39:30 AM
#319:


Another globalist crook exposed for sexual abuse! This time a member of the "judiciary."

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/four-women-accuse-new-yorks-attorney-general-of-physical-abuse

And President Trump called it almost 5 years ago!
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/377751074628988929
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LordoftheMorons
05/08/18 5:54:26 AM
#320:


It may shock you to learn that Donald Trump is also a sexual abusing piece of shit who should also resign in disgrace!
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Vlado
05/08/18 6:49:03 AM
#321:


Sorry, we're only talking facts here, not liberal fantasies.
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Corrik
05/08/18 7:43:26 AM
#322:


Vlado posted...
Another globalist crook exposed for sexual abuse! This time a member of the "judiciary."

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/four-women-accuse-new-yorks-attorney-general-of-physical-abuse

And President Trump called it almost 5 years ago!
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/377751074628988929

Damn Trump knew all about him.
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TheRock1525
05/08/18 10:25:17 AM
#323:


Vlado posted...
Sorry, we're only talking facts here, not liberal fantasies.


Aren't both just accusations? What makes one "facts" but not the other?
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Vlado
05/08/18 10:30:20 AM
#324:


One happened, the other didn't.
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TheRock1525
05/08/18 10:46:53 AM
#325:


Vlado posted...
One happened, the other didn't.


Uh huh. And your proof is...?
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Vlado
05/08/18 11:03:59 AM
#326:


TheRock1525 posted...
Vlado posted...
One happened, the other didn't.


Uh huh. And your proof is...?

Straight from the criminal's mouth:
Statement from Eric T. Schneiderman: "In the privacy of intimate relationships, I have engaged in role-playing and other consensual sexual activity. I have not assaulted anyone. I have never engaged in non-consensual sex, which is a line I would not cross."

https://twitter.com/Schneiderman/status/993631884054814720

Not only does he claim the women are lying, the asshole is trying to paint sick BSDM acts as something normal (note how he uses the word "role-playing" as if it's something innocent, just a harmless kink, when he actually beat up his victims).
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TheRock1525
05/08/18 11:10:04 AM
#327:


So basically your proof that he sexually assaulted women is... him saying he didn't sexually assault women?

Aka the same as Trump?
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Vlado
05/08/18 11:11:23 AM
#328:


I take it you're having a difficult time reading and comprehending the whole post.

He admits guilt, but claims it was "consensual"... lmfao, yeah, I'm totally buying it that 4 different women wanted him to beat them up.
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TheRock1525
05/08/18 11:12:23 AM
#329:


Also BDSM is super common among people.
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Vlado
05/08/18 11:13:11 AM
#330:


TheRock1525 posted...
Also BDSM is super common among people.

lmfao, imagine being so warped as to believe this. It's not even that common in porn, much less reality.
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TheRock1525
05/08/18 11:15:33 AM
#331:


Vlado posted...
TheRock1525 posted...
Also BDSM is super common among people.

lmfao, imagine being so warped as to believe this.


A poll from 2005 showed that 36% of people in America routinely use bondage gear in their sexual activities.

I understand maybe in Bulgaria it's not, but BDSM (not BSDM like you typed) is one of the most common kinks among Americans.

Also:

Vlado posted...
He admits guilt, but claims it was "consensual"... lmfao, yeah, I'm totally buying it that 4 different women wanted him to beat them up.


You know a lot of women are into being choked, slapped, bitten, etc. Bulgarian sex must be the most generic thing of all time.
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Corrik
05/08/18 11:17:06 AM
#332:


Vlado posted...
TheRock1525 posted...
Also BDSM is super common among people.

lmfao, imagine being so warped as to believe this.

While Rock is hella wrong on the commonness of that, it doesn't mean he could not have been engaged consensually in BDSM.

The "roleplaying" itself is quite peculiar also as one seemed to suggest he wanted to roleplay as a slave master and a racial slave, from what I have seen.

I can see the sex slave / master roleplay as common in a BDSM situation, but not so much the racial aspect.

"Brown slave" is just a weird roleplay context.
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TheRock1525
05/08/18 11:17:58 AM
#333:


Vlado posted...
TheRock1525 posted...
Also BDSM is super common among people.

lmfao, imagine being so warped as to believe this. It's not even common in porn, much less reality.


The 3rd and 4th most common fetish among men was latex and domination/submission.

The 1st and 2nd were foot and voyeurism.

But sure, BDSM isn't "common" among porn. Ok.
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Vlado
05/08/18 11:18:14 AM
#334:


lmfao, imagine pretending to be a feminist while defending beating women up during sex. All to defend some corrupt judge who was exposed for sexual abuse. Just because he happens to support the same party you do. That's the state of "liberals" today.

Abusing women is BAD, and BSDM is NOT normal. Deal with it.
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TheRock1525
05/08/18 11:26:26 AM
#335:


Who said I'm defending the guy? I'm just using the same logic you use to say Trump and Roy Moore are innocent: all three said they didn't do anything wrong. You only believe what he did is wrong because he's a liberal, not for any sort of internal logic.

Abusing women is BAD, and BSDM is NOT normal. Deal with it.


Those are two completely unrelated things. And BSDM is not a thing. BDSM is very much a thing. You can't even get the acronym right. And it's super common, you're just living in a bubble. I just checked a porn website where over 300,000 videos on the site were labeled "BDSM."
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Corrik
05/08/18 11:34:03 AM
#336:


TheRock1525 posted...
Who said I'm defending the guy? I'm just using the same logic you use to say Trump and Roy Moore are innocent: all three said they didn't do anything wrong. You only believe what he did is wrong because he's a liberal, not for any sort of internal logic.

Abusing women is BAD, and BSDM is NOT normal. Deal with it.


Those are two completely unrelated things. And BSDM is not a thing. BDSM is very much a thing. You can't even get the acronym right. And it's super common, you're just living in a bubble. I just checked a porn website where over 300,000 videos on the site were labeled "BDSM."

When you cite a 2005 poll that says 2/3rds of Americans do not engage in the act, you destroyed your own credibility. It is not a common thing. It is a big fetish. But, fetishes by nature are not common things.
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Vlado
05/08/18 11:38:40 AM
#337:


TheRock1525 posted...
Who said I'm defending the guy?

For someone who isn't, you sure are getting increasingly defensive. Anyway, he admitted to it and tried to damage control that it was "consensual," which was a total laugh.

GUILTY!

The sad thing is he isn't going behind bars because his benefactors will not allow it. It's a sad world we live in, but that will change soon enough. He, and others like him, will face justice. And I mean actual justice, not merely standing before an equally corrupt judge in the current, completely broken judicial system.
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Hardcore_Adult
05/08/18 12:10:21 PM
#338:


When a Sub/Dom comes along you must whip it....

(K, Got that out of my system)
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Espeon
05/08/18 12:21:01 PM
#339:


Wait, there was a major motion picture trilogy (based on a hugely popular book trilogy) that revolved around BDSM. Despite being godawful, the Fifty Shades movies made BANK. So I dont think that BDSM is quite as weird as Vlado is trying to argue for some reason.
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JeffreyRaze
05/08/18 12:23:44 PM
#340:


Corrik posted...
TheRock1525 posted...
Who said I'm defending the guy? I'm just using the same logic you use to say Trump and Roy Moore are innocent: all three said they didn't do anything wrong. You only believe what he did is wrong because he's a liberal, not for any sort of internal logic.

Abusing women is BAD, and BSDM is NOT normal. Deal with it.


Those are two completely unrelated things. And BSDM is not a thing. BDSM is very much a thing. You can't even get the acronym right. And it's super common, you're just living in a bubble. I just checked a porn website where over 300,000 videos on the site were labeled "BDSM."

When you cite a 2005 poll that says 2/3rds of Americans do not engage in the act, you destroyed your own credibility. It is not a common thing. It is a big fetish. But, fetishes by nature are not common things.


Wait, ignoring the argument for a second, you think 1/3 of the entire population fitting into a category makes that category uncommon?
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HashtagSEP
05/08/18 12:28:52 PM
#341:


I have no argument on the subject

I just wanted to say that calling 1/3rd of something uncommon is kinda silly
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Peace___Frog
05/08/18 12:29:52 PM
#342:


If a dick has moles on one third of it, it's still a dick with moles on it
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Hardcore_Adult
05/08/18 12:39:33 PM
#343:


Espeon posted...
Wait, there was a major motion picture trilogy (based on a hugely popular book trilogy) that revolved around BDSM. Despite being godawful, the Fifty Shades movies made BANK. So I dont think that BDSM is quite as weird as Vlado is trying to argue for some reason.


Feh, Cheap Mummy Porn sells or at least did in the early 10s.
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Kenri
05/08/18 12:45:40 PM
#344:


TheRock1525 posted...
So basically your proof that he sexually assaulted women is... him saying he didn't sexually assault women?

Aka the same as Trump?

that's not the same as trump at all

for instance, trump also said that he did assault a bunch of women
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Jakyl25
05/08/18 12:50:01 PM
#345:


Vlado posted...
It's a sad world we live in, but that will change soon enough. He, and others like him, will face justice. And I mean actual justice, not merely standing before an equally corrupt judge in the current, completely broken judicial system.


How do you propose this happens?
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TheRock1525
05/08/18 12:51:13 PM
#346:


Vlado posted...
For someone who isn't, you sure are getting increasingly defensive.


Nah, I'm just pointing out your ignorance on sexual matters. He's pretty scummy, just like your boys Roy Moore and Donald Trump. I'm just capable of calling a spade a space, unlike you. I rightly called out people like Al Franken on "my side" but you can't even call out a dude who diddles 14 year olds.
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Hardcore_Adult
05/08/18 12:56:25 PM
#347:


I always thought in Eastern Europe you lot were into some WILD shit, the kind of stuff that would make even the *kinkiest* American run for the hills?
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ImTheMacheteGuy
05/08/18 1:05:26 PM
#348:


Vlado posted...
TheRock1525 posted...
Vlado posted...
One happened, the other didn't.


Uh huh. And your proof is...?

Straight from the criminal's mouth:
Statement from Eric T. Schneiderman: "In the privacy of intimate relationships, I have engaged in role-playing and other consensual sexual activity. I have not assaulted anyone. I have never engaged in non-consensual sex, which is a line I would not cross."

https://twitter.com/Schneiderman/status/993631884054814720

Not only does he claim the women are lying, the asshole is trying to paint sick BSDM acts as something normal (note how he uses the word "role-playing" as if it's something innocent, just a harmless kink, when he actually beat up his victims).


>"The proof is that the guy admitted to it"
>*posts quote where the guy denies it*

Classic vladology at work
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ImTheMacheteGuy
05/08/18 1:11:24 PM
#349:


Vlado posted...
TheRock1525 posted...
Also BDSM is super common among people.

lmfao, imagine being so warped as to believe this. It's not even that common in porn, much less reality.


*facepalm*
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LapisLazuli
05/08/18 1:17:48 PM
#350:


I know some people mentioned it, but I'm not willing to let go of Corrik saying that something 1/3 of Americans have dabbled in isn't common. That explains...SO MUCH about his warped perspective.

Just to compare here, by Corrik's logic;

It's not common for Americans to eat fast food.

It's not common for Americans to go to starbucks.

It's not common for Americans to play video games.
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