Board 8 > Conservative politics topic 5: No war on Syria!

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Vlado posted...

I mean, I live here... But if you want to believe you know better than me, go ahead. Then again, you could say the same about me and the US. :)

"Personal anecdotes are as accurate of indicators about reality than cited statistics and articles from non-globalist news agencies"
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Vlado posted...

MoogleKupo141 posted...

Again, life here is far better than in the US. Problem

by what metric

Don't need to get indebted for life to finish university? Check.
Don't need to get indebted for life to buy a house? Check.
Everything much cheaper, from housing and education to public transportation? Check.
Much easier and cheaper to grow and/or buy quality food? Check.
Much less "diversity," i.e. needless conflict and suffering like we see in UK, Sweden, France, Germany, etc.? Check.
Laughably weak globalist "values" society-destroying parties and organisations (usually don't make it into parliament)? Check.
Can actually influence public kindergartens and schools as a parent? Check.
Resilient people with incredible 15+-century history as opposed to 2 centuries something and currently in freefall? Check.
Beautiful nature a few hours' drive away? Check.

Literally nothing is worse than in the US.

Soooo tl;dr a bunch of Socialism and youre ignorant of how massive and full of diverse nature the US is.

Oh wait, and diversity is a bad thing.
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I just caught that last nature point.

...it takes a FEW HOURS DRIVE to find awesome nature in Bulgaria?

Most places in the US definitely have that beat, especially all those red areas on the Election map!
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

a bunch of Socialism

What exactly is "socialism" from what I listed? *rolls eyes* It's the opposite.
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No discussion about politicians and the MSM whining and clutching their pearls over Michelle Wolfs WHCD performance? And here I thought conservatives wanted less censorship and less catering to easily-offended snowflakes.
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I don't know WTF you're talking about... Odds are it's not important.
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Vlado posted...

I don't know WTF you're talking about... Odds are it's not important.

Vlado just out-vlado'd vlado
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Trump Should Win The Nobel Peace Prize, South Korea's Moon Says

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/04/30/607008627/trump-should-win-the-nobel-peace-prize-south-korea-s-moon-says

Excellent suggestion from South Korea's president! Remember when Obama got that one for no real reason, and then proceeded to destroy several countries and drone weddings. Yeah... That was sad. Can be at least partially redeemed now!

Also, Mueller's questions for Trump leaked!
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05-01/muellers-questions-trump-leaked-read-them-here

Desperate!
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Common Core has literally nothing to do with that, but ok.
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Of course not... It's probably Trump and the patriarchy's fault!
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Data that says 65% of eighth graders aren't proficient in reading is in error. Donald Trump, who never graduated from 8th grade nor read a word in his life, is an outlier and should not have been counted.
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WALLS WORK!

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/far-right-mayor-hails-success-hungary-serbia-border-fence-n868676

The city Hungarys third-largest is peaceful now, but three summers ago it was thronged by thousands of migrants camping in its railway station and public squares on their way toward Western Europe.

They were not good people, said Hamar Kinga, a 34-year-old office worker. I heard that there were robberies, it was a dangerous time. The wall gave us back our security.

Enough said.
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I heard there were robberies! Oh no!
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pretty impressive that one dude is able to determine that thousands of people are "not good people."
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He met each and every one, guys
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"They didn't rob him personally, only someone else, therefore he has no right to say they're not good people!" t. hopeless leftist logic

*looks at the rapidly rising crime rate in UK, Sweden, Germany, France*

Hmm, looks like he might be onto something.
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My best friend is a 35-year-old office worker in Hungary's third-largest city and he says there's actually way more crime now than before.
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Vlado posted...

"They didn't rob him personally, only someone else, therefore he has no right to say they're not good people!"

is every single one of those thousands of people a thief?

aside from that, i think it's disgusting character assassination to state that if you steal something, you're automatically "not a good person." some of my friends have stolen things in the past, doesn't mean they're bad people. you can be a good person and still make mistakes in your life.
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Vlado posted...

"They didn't rob him personally, only someone else, therefore he has no right to say they're not good people!" t. hopeless leftist logic

They
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World works on probability. Obviously not every single immigrant is a robber, but if the probabilty of getting robbed rose compared to before, those getting robbed are right to be upset.
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And you can definitively trace the anecdotal increase in robbery to migrants?
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Vlado posted...

Obviously not every single immigrant is a robber, but if the probabilty of getting robbed rose compared to before, those getting robbed are right to be upset.

"immigrants should die a horrible death in a warzone, because it's way worse when they steal an apple in the country i live in." conservative logic.
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Vlado posted...

Trump Should Win The Nobel Peace Prize, South Korea's Moon Says

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/04/30/607008627/trump-should-win-the-nobel-peace-prize-south-korea-s-moon-says

Excellent suggestion from South Korea's president! Remember when Obama got that one for no real reason, and then proceeded to destroy several countries and drone weddings. Yeah... That was sad. Can be at least partially redeemed now!

Also, Mueller's questions for Trump leaked!
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05-01/muellers-questions-trump-leaked-read-them-here

Desperate!

And here are some results of common core:

Sixty-five percent of the eighth graders in American public schools in 2017 were not proficient in reading and 67 percent were not proficient in mathematics

https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/65-public-school-8th-graders-not-proficient-reading-67-not-proficient

Cns is literally just religious propaganda fake news. Nothing in that article is true.
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

Vlado posted...

Obviously not every single immigrant is a robber, but if the probabilty of getting robbed rose compared to before, those getting robbed are right to be upset.

"immigrants should die a horrible death in a warzone, because it's way worse when they steal an apple in the country i live in." conservative logic.

lmao, look at that world record leap in "logic".

Meanwhile, Trump formally nominated for the Nobel peace prize! :)
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05-02/trump-formally-nominated-nobel-peace-prize
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Vlado posted...

lmao, look at that world record leap in "logic".

i agree. there's nothing logical whatsoever about what you said.
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I said people are right to be upset at getting robbed, and you claimed I said that "immigrants should die a horrible death."
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Vlado posted...

I said people are right to be upset at getting robbed, and you claimed I said that "immigrants should die a horrible death."

you also praised the wall in hungary. that would imply that you're fine with immigrants from warzones not being allowed into hungary and potentially dying a horrible death in their home countries.
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1. They have a duty to their own countries.
2. Europe does not have a duty to them.
3. Therefore, Hungary is right to build a wall.
4. WALLS WORK!
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right, so how was what i said wrong? you're fine with them dying a horrible death in their home countries because europe doesn't have a duty to allow them into its countries.
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First, you're wrong because you assume they'll just die in their country. That's nonsense.

Second, you're wrong because most immigrants are not even from countries at war. They just come to Europe because they hope they'll live the life on taxpayer money.

The best help Europe can give them is send them back because their countries desperately need their help to become better.
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Vlado posted...

First, you're wrong because you assume they'll just die in their country. That's nonsense.

not all of them, but it shouldn't be controversial to state that there's a high chance that some of them will die when there's a war going on.

Second, you're wrong because most immigrants are not even from countries at war. They just come to Europe because they hope they'll live the life on taxpayer money.

what does that matter? you're not even making this distinction.

you could say "immigrants from peaceful countries shouldn't be allowed into european countries." i wouldn't agree with that as i think that position has problems of its own, but that's a respectable position, to a certain extent. but you're not saying that. all you're saying is "NOBODY'S ALLOWED INTO HUNGARY! WALLS WORK!" that just shows a psychotic lack of empathy.

also, "immigrants from peaceful countries just want to live the life on taxpayer money" is, again, disgusting character assassination. i live in a european country with tons of immigrants and a lot of them - not all, but a lot - are working their asses off. these people are working a gazillion times harder than several native dutch people i know who ARE just living the life on taxpayer money.
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

not all of them, but it shouldn't be controversial to state that there's a high chance that some of them will die when there's a war going on.

So? That means Europe should house and feed them all then? How about they go and help end the war?

Mr Lasastryke posted...

what does that matter? you're not even making this distinction.

Sure I am. If they obtain actual refugee status, alright. 99,99% of them can't, however.

Mr Lasastryke posted...

you could say "immigrants from peaceful countries shouldn't be allowed into european countries." i wouldn't agree with that as i think that position has problems of its own, but that's a respectable position, to a certain extent. but you're not saying that. all you're saying is "NOBODY'S ALLOWED INTO HUNGARY! WALLS WORK!" that just shows a psychotic lack of empathy.

also, "immigrants from peaceful countries just want to live the life on taxpayer money" is, again, disgusting character assassination. i live in a european country with tons of immigrants and a lot of them - not all, but a lot - are working their asses off. these people are working a gazillion times harder than several native dutch people i know who ARE just living the life on taxpayer money.

Ah, so your anecdotal evidence beats my statistics? Nope.
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Vlado posted...

That means Europe should house and feed them all then?

as many as they can handle, yes.

Ah, so your anecdotal evidence beats my statistics? Nope.

i never said my anecdotal evidence is emblematic, i'm just saying that "immigrants just want to live the life on taxpayer money" is insulting to the immigrants who ARE working hard (and a lot of them exist, like i said). and you didn't provide any statistics.

(also, lol @ the idea that people who live on taxpayer money are "living the life." people who live on welfare get very little money.)
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

(also, lol @ the idea that people who live on taxpayer money are "living the life." people who live on welfare get very little money.)

You need to realize that when vlado is told that someone has been given $5, that is equivalent to being given a house in Bulgaria
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Vlado posted...

my statistics?

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Vlado posted...

1. They have a duty to their own countries.

Explain
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Vlado posted...

First, you're wrong because you assume they'll just die in their country. That's nonsense.

Second, you're wrong because most immigrants are not even from countries at war. They just come to Europe because they hope they'll live the life on taxpayer money.

The best help Europe can give them is send them back because their countries desperately need their help to become better.

>implies that they have skills and qualifications that they could use to improve their countries
>also implies that they are more interested in living off taxpayer money than by using their skills and working

??????
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

as many as they can handle, yes.

WTF? There are thousands upon thousands of homeless and poor Europeans. Why should non-uropeans get priority over them?

Mr Lasastryke posted...

i never said my anecdotal evidence is emblematic, i'm just saying that "immigrants just want to live the life on taxpayer money" is insulting to the immigrants who ARE working hard (and a lot of them exist, like i said). and you didn't provide any statistics.

(also, lol @ the idea that people who live on taxpayer money are "living the life." people who live on welfare get very little money.)

I've posted statistics before. Are you pretending you just forgot?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-germany-survey/only-13-percent-of-recent-refugees-in-germany-have-found-work-survey-idUSKBN13A22F

Meanwhile, some GREAT news!

U.S. freezes funding for Syria's "White Helmets"

https://archive.fo/B7TGg
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Cutting funding for humanitarian aid is great news?
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Somebody isn't reading the news I post... White Helmets are a group run by Al-Qaeda that is financed with Saudi money, not "humanitarian aid."
https://grayzoneproject.com/2018/04/19/exclusive-emails-show-how-the-white-helmets-tried-to-recruit-roger-waters-with-saudi-money/

Looks like US aren't happy the world saw how they were made fools out of by being deceived into launching the latest strike on Syria, so they're withdrawing funding from the ones who deceived them.
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It's like marxists want to bring everyone down to the lowest common denominator, not elevate people. This is hardly news, Ulti.
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Vlado posted...

Why should non-uropeans get priority over them?

they shouldn't. both poor non-europeans and poor europeans should get as much help from europe as possible.

I've posted statistics before. Are you pretending you just forgot?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-germany-survey/only-13-percent-of-recent-refugees-in-germany-have-found-work-survey-idUSKBN13A22F

you claim you're talking about europe, and then you post a study about recent immigrants in one specific european country. and you accuse ME of drawing conclusions from anecdotal evidence, lol.
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

you claim you're talking about europe, and then you post a study about recent immigrants in one specific european country. and you accuse ME of drawing conclusions from anecdotal evidence, lol.

*facepalm*

Yeah, your experience with 2 people surely counts as much as the stats for the EU country that's taken the most immigrants. -_-

Mr Lasastryke posted...

they shouldn't. both poor non-europeans and poor europeans should get as much help from europe as possible.

Citizens of the respective countries must get priority over immigrants, however.
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As a statistician, people like vlado are the actual worst when it comes to interpreting statistics.

I'm assuming that you have no formal mathematical training. If you do, then you should request a refund. Please stop falling back on "but the numbers!!!!!"
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Peace___Frog posted...

As a statistician, people like vlado are the actual worst when it comes to interpreting statistics.

I'm assuming that you have no formal mathematical training. If you do, then you should request a refund. Please stop falling back on "but the numbers!!!!!"

Sounds to me like you're bitter that facts and objective reality contradict the teachings of your SJW religion.
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Vlado posted...

Yeah, your experience with 2 people surely counts as much as the stats for the EU country that's taken the most immigrants. -_-

not saying it does, but both things are highly anecdotal.

and again, i was sharing my personal experience (which consists of a lot more than "my experience with 2 people") as evidence for my statement that there are a lot of immigrants in my country who work their asses off. i don't need to have statistics on all immigrants to prove this claim.

Citizens of the respective countries must get priority over immigrants, however.

no, they mustn't. ESPECIALLY not when the citizens of the respective countries are coming from warzones (which is what we were discussing, if i'm still keeping track correctly).
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Lol. Statistics do not provide facts and objective realities. Any attempt to assert otherwise is an attempt to gaslight one's audience. You are the one who cannot accept that statistics are not an entire picture, they can only inform and direct.

As I said, if your only argument is "But the numbers" then your argument is trash.
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Vlado posted...

https://grayzoneproject.com

Why are you citing liberal media?
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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

Vlado posted...

First, you're wrong because you assume they'll just die in their country. That's nonsense.

Second, you're wrong because most immigrants are not even from countries at war. They just come to Europe because they hope they'll live the life on taxpayer money.

The best help Europe can give them is send them back because their countries desperately need their help to become better.

>implies that they have skills and qualifications that they could use to improve their countries
>also implies that they are more interested in living off taxpayer money than by using their skills and working

??????

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