Poll of the Day > Do you know how to use gender neutral pronouns?

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My university a university last year got it passed that from now on bathrooms are preferred gender not gender exclusive (something I dont know how its worded. Gender neutral can use any trans can use whichever like you know?)

So I cant find videos talking much about it so Ill post this one, but warning its super bias against it and its Fox News I think

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztzBtv7iCO0" data-time="

So however you feel about it; did you know about those pronouns and do you feel thats what should be used/will be naturally used in 20 years?

I agree with it mostky like new pronouns may arise and join our language naturally but I think yo is dumb and the idea that you can pick any pronouns you want
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This is an Anglophillic attack on gendered languages
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I'll happily use singular they for anyone who wants it. I won't use whatever made up shit some people ask for. English has been using singular they for gender-neutral for at least 600 years. It's working just fine.

Yup I calls them IT's

I don't even care. I call people whatever they want to be called.
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Uhhhhhh, no. Just no.
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SushiSquid posted...

I'll happily use singular they for anyone who wants it. I won't use whatever made up shit some people ask for. English has been using singular they for gender-neutral for at least 600 years. It's working just fine.

This.
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No, and I don't care.
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SushiSquid posted...

I'll happily use singular they for anyone who wants it. I won't use whatever made up shit some people ask for. English has been using singular they for gender-neutral for at least 600 years. It's working just fine.

Right?
I mean, I forget to use it all the time, but I try to keep myself careful about pronouns around people.
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xjayguyx posted...

Yup I calls them IT's

Leave Pennywise alone!
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None of this bothers me, but I do get awfully nervous in public sometimes when I say sir or ma'am. I'm a polite person, but I know there will come a day where I happen upon someone who doesn't appreciate what I'll have said and then it will be awkward or bad.

Edit:
I can actually imagine a good sketch like this now, but the backlash would be crazy.

Guy: "Thank you, ma'am"
Girl: "Sir."
Guy: "Yes?"
Girl: "Thank you, sir."
Guy: "You're welcome, ma'am."
Girl: "Sir, not ma'am."

Etc;

I use gender neutral for anyone who asks it, but as a non-native speaker, it really messes with my head. Especially if it's someone I knew going by the gendered pronouns originally. So it takes me a lot of "Stop, think, then talk" and is somewhat distracting...but if it's what it takes to make them happy, so be it.

> that from now on bathrooms are preferred gender not gender exclusive

This has been debated as the deadest of dead horse, but that still never made sense to me. Bathrooms are not gender-specific, they're one of the few things that are very much biological sex-specific. They're literally optimized based on what's in your pants, regardless of gender. So it just makes sense that anyone can use either regardless of their "preferred gender", and very much based on what's in their pants require. And since it's not particularly nice to ask people what's in their pants, we should just have gender neutral bathrooms OR free for all.

But "gender preferred", or really anything related to gender (as opposed to sex/biology) and bathrooms just makes no sense.

No, and I don't care.

GanglyKhan posted...

None of this bothers me, but I do get awfully nervous in public sometimes when I say sir or ma'am. I'm a polite person, but I know there will come a day where I happen upon someone who doesn't appreciate what I'll have said and then it will be awkward or bad.

Not really. The examples you hear tend to be highly exaggerated. What actually happens is they politely inform you you were incorrect, you make a casual apology and correct your wording, and that's the end of it.
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If I'm not sure, I call someone 'this person' or 'that individual'.
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waterdeepchu posted...

GanglyKhan posted...

None of this bothers me, but I do get awfully nervous in public sometimes when I say sir or ma'am. I'm a polite person, but I know there will come a day where I happen upon someone who doesn't appreciate what I'll have said and then it will be awkward or bad.

Not really. The examples you hear tend to be highly exaggerated. What actually happens is they politely inform you you were incorrect, you make a casual apology and correct your wording, and that's the end of it.

I watch too much Curb Your Enthusiasm to believe this.

In all reality, I get that it's a silly thought, what you said is certainly many times more likely to be the case.

waterdeepchu posted...

GanglyKhan posted...

None of this bothers me, but I do get awfully nervous in public sometimes when I say sir or ma'am. I'm a polite person, but I know there will come a day where I happen upon someone who doesn't appreciate what I'll have said and then it will be awkward or bad.

Not really. The examples you hear tend to be highly exaggerated. What actually happens is they politely inform you you were incorrect, you make a casual apology and correct your wording, and that's the end of it.

Yeah, and if the person isn't polite about it, f*** 'em they're going to be assholes anyway.

Most of the time it goes like this:
"I was talking to him earlier and-"
"They"
"Right, I was talking to them earlier about"

No big deal.
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I will not use singular they. If asked, I'll politely say no and that I don't agree with that. If pushed I will tell them, much less politely to fuck off.

And I am gender queer by any measure. I think this is bullshit.
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Yes, anyone who doesnt is a bigot and deserves bigotry towards them. Calling a trans an it is like calling a black person the n word. Maybe even worse since it strips that human of their identity

Hello who cares, I hope you don't mind if I call you who cares, because honestly who freaking cares.
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GanglyKhan posted...

None of this bothers me, but I do get awfully nervous in public sometimes when I say sir or ma'am. I'm a polite person, but I know there will come a day where I happen upon someone who doesn't appreciate what I'll have said and then it will be awkward or bad.

Edit:
I can actually imagine a good sketch like this now, but the backlash would be crazy.

Guy: "Thank you, ma'am"
Girl: "Sir."
Guy: "Yes?"
Girl: "Thank you, sir."
Guy: "You're welcome, ma'am."
Girl: "Sir, not ma'am."

Etc;

No Zir isnt like sir its for gender neutral or non conforming
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I understand it, but I think it's ridiculous and won't be a party to it. I'd rather look like an asshole than feel like a dumbass.
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Well if Im brutally honest I dont even think theres a such thing as Agendered and non bi art and fluid I think its all angst or made up

But if its just what people want and how they want to see themselves I dont think it hurts anyone so Id call them those things at worst Im feeding a dilusion at best helping someone who usually feels bullied
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I do know some people who prefer going by "they," but I don't know anyone offline who uses other gender neutral pronouns. People already use singular they all the time, and hardly anyone actually uses other gender neutral pronouns, so it's really not a big deal.
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Golden Road posted...

I do know some people who prefer going by "they," but I don't know anyone offline who uses other gender neutral pronouns. People already use singular they all the time, and hardly anyone actually uses other gender neutral pronouns, so it's really not a big deal.

To be honest, I've never actually met someone who was a raging asshole about using their preferred pronoun.
I've seen more people railing against it then anything else.
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Let Dr Peterson explain why we shouldn't be using made up pronouns

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDsgq3KCikg" data-time="
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dr peterson couldnt explain his way out of a wet paper bag
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His mouth and words dont match which is scary
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ShadosAtPhoenix posted...

if it's what it takes to make them happy, so be it.

People don't go to this effort to make me happy.
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Like Sushisquid and others have said, "they" works for me.
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No, I find these extreme left inventions becoming a bit cultist, with their own language. made up sexes and all. I'll just keep using the standard vocabulary.
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I learned in grade school in the early 90's that you're supposed to say they and them when you don't know a person's gender. I'm not going to call everyone that just out of political correctness or whatever. If I see someone who looks like a dude I'm going to assume they're a dude because they probably are a dude.
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You mean "they"?
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Wesker646 posted...

No, I find these extreme left inventions becoming a bit cultist, with their own language. made up sexes and all. I'll just keep using the standard vocabulary.

Agreed. It's just silliness. Within their own crowd, they can be whatever they want.
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SunWuKung420 posted...

You mean "they"?

No the other ones you can pick from
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LittleRoyal posted...

SunWuKung420 posted...

You mean "they"?

No the other ones you can pick from

Like it and you?
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SunWuKung420 posted...

LittleRoyal posted...

SunWuKung420 posted...

You mean "they"?

No the other ones you can pick from

Like it and you?

No. Ze, zer. Zerself. That stuff
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LittleRoyal posted...

SunWuKung420 posted...

LittleRoyal posted...

SunWuKung420 posted...

You mean "they"?

No the other ones you can pick from

Like it and you?

No. Ze, zer. Zerself. That stuff

Those aren't real words.
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SunWuKung420 posted...

Those aren't real words.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

I'm open-minded and liberal about most social stuff. But like, singular they has been around for centuries. There's no need for other stuff just because you want to feel special. If you don't feel like a man or a woman, cool. We already have words for that.

I appreciate how civil this thread has been considering the issue.

Probably not but that's because I don't care. I call a cat a cat if it looks and acts like a cat.
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SushiSquid posted...

SunWuKung420 posted...

Those aren't real words.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

I'm open-minded and liberal about most social stuff. But like, singular they has been around for centuries. There's no need for other stuff just because you want to feel special. If you don't feel like a man or a woman, cool. We already have words for that.

But we use a lot of Jargon that wasnt used hundreds of years ago and according to this lady in the video itll be totally natural for us in a few years.
So why fight it?
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most i'm ever gonna do is a they. as in they can invent a new language if they want, but i don't feel like learning something that's gonna be spoken by like 2 people.
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I know how to, I just refuse to.
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b_hamnite posted...

I know how to, I just refuse to.

You go show them, tiger! Atta girl!

If you don't want to be referred to as s/he, you're getting an it or them. Plus zer what is that? Some weird combo of sir and her. Come on it!


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Idk I didnt make it up I just know my college is talking a lot about it and we get emails telling us what to think about these situations and stuff.
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LittleRoyal posted...

we get emails telling us what to think about these situations and stuff.

Ah, gotta brainwash 'em while they're still young. :P
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Blue_Thunder posted...

LittleRoyal posted...

we get emails telling us what to think about these situations and stuff.

Ah, gotta brainwash 'em while they're still young. :P

Not in context of the topic, but just in general: If a college student can't think for themselves, they failed the most important lesson of high school which is how to think critically.

GanglyKhan posted...

Blue_Thunder posted...

LittleRoyal posted...

we get emails telling us what to think about these situations and stuff.

Ah, gotta brainwash 'em while they're still young. :P

Not in context of the topic, but just in general: If a college student can't think for themselves, they failed the most important lesson of high school which is how to think critically.

Uhh. My high school English class wasnt teaching that but teaching trans rights and stuff.
Idk maybe its a state thing
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