Current Events > Hell doesn't exist according to the Pope

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http://metro.co.uk/2018/03/29/hell-not-exist-says-pope-francis-7427113/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Weird
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eh

i think the fire and brimstone interpretation is a little too easy, and may have all been an allegory for the comparison to how 'great' heaven would be (unity with god vs separation from god)

fear of hell has been an easy way to control people so churches leaning in to that way of viewing the commentary on separation from god after death is understandable

but francis doesnt want control
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Why take his word for it?
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It'll be interesting to see how Christians react to this.

Specifically how many will be angered at the idea of hell not existing. Even more specifically, why they want that sort of thing to exist.
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LinksLiege posted...

It'll be interesting to see how Christians react to this.

Specifically how many will be angered at the idea of hell not existing. Even more specifically, why they want that sort of thing to exist.

Christians don't have anything to do with the pope
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That goes against what Jesus says in the Bible so I disagree with him.

To respond to the guy above, it's doesn't matter what we want. If Hell exists, it exists.
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Turbam posted...

LinksLiege posted...

It'll be interesting to see how Christians react to this.

Specifically how many will be angered at the idea of hell not existing. Even more specifically, why they want that sort of thing to exist.

Christians don't have anything to do with the pope

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJupj9y_6n8" data-time="

This isn't getting enough discussion on CE.
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Idk how to feel about this. Its blatantly against canon law.
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HeyHeyYouYou posted...

Idk how to feel about this. Its blatantly against canon law.

Nothing like a good canon shakeup
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@Turbam posted...

LinksLiege posted...

It'll be interesting to see how Christians react to this.

Specifically how many will be angered at the idea of hell not existing. Even more specifically, why they want that sort of thing to exist.

Christians don't have anything to do with the pope

Please refrain from making ignorant statements on subjects you clearly know nothing about.

The Catholic Church, also known as the Roman Catholic Church, is the largest Christian church, with more than 1.29 billion members worldwide.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church
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This pope is a literal heretic and it seems he wants to be loved by everyone more than anything but this seems to be the trend of religion in the West. If he were a true believer in the faith he would push on despite how unpopular it was even though Catholicism has little place in this modernized interconnected techno world and can only exist as the shell it currently is.
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LinksLiege posted...

It'll be interesting to see how Christians react to this.

Specifically how many will be angered at the idea of hell not existing. Even more specifically, why they want that sort of thing to exist.

It has nothing to do with what they want or don't want. What the Pope is saying is blasphemy and against their own Scripture, doctrine, dogma, and tradition.

What they want doesn't matter it's more about how the Pope is basically spitting on their own belief system. I mean religion isn't really about consensus it's based on actual doctrine.

Personal desire has nothing to do with it and people being angry doesn't mean they WANT hell to exist. Anyone who isn't a moron should be able to see that.
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hockeybub89 posted...

HeyHeyYouYou posted...

Idk how to feel about this. Its blatantly against canon law.

Nothing like a good canon shakeup

Canon all got thrown out when Disney bought the Vatican.
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The pope is the antichrist.
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Hey fellas can borrow like $3.50 for this thing I'm working on?
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Fake news, folks, fake news.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/03/29/did-pope-francis-say-there-no-hell-not-quite-vatican-insists/470442002/

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-pope-hell/vatican-rebukes-journalist-who-quoted-pope-as-denying-hell-idUSKBN1H52H8
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BadCompany posted...

@Turbam posted...

LinksLiege posted...

It'll be interesting to see how Christians react to this.

Specifically how many will be angered at the idea of hell not existing. Even more specifically, why they want that sort of thing to exist.

Christians don't have anything to do with the pope

Please refrain from making ignorant statements on subjects you clearly know nothing about.

The Catholic Church, also known as the Roman Catholic Church, is the largest Christian church, with more than 1.29 billion members worldwide.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church

Christianity and Catholicism are not the same thing. They are similar yes, but there are vast differences. One of the big ones being that the pope has nothing to do with Christianity and is a figure head for Catholicism.
The other being that in Catholicism you don't follow the bible word for word as you would in Christianity. Growing up I was always told that they were just stories to help make you a better person, not something to be believed word for word.
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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

Hey fellas can borrow like $3.50 for this thing I'm working on?

Update: don't mind the tail. It's a costume lol.
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BadCompany posted...

@Turbam posted...

LinksLiege posted...

It'll be interesting to see how Christians react to this.

Specifically how many will be angered at the idea of hell not existing. Even more specifically, why they want that sort of thing to exist.

Christians don't have anything to do with the pope

Please refrain from making ignorant statements on subjects you clearly know nothing about.

The Catholic Church, also known as the Roman Catholic Church, is the largest Christian church, with more than 1.29 billion members worldwide.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church

>Accuses somebody of ignorance
>Overlooks that more than just Catholics are Christian
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The article goes on to say that instead of eternal torment, your soul is simply destroyed. That's somehow slightly more terrifying.

smoliske posted...

The article goes on to say that instead of eternal torment, your soul is simply destroyed. That's somehow slightly more terrifying.

uh no. eternal torment is the worst.

it never ends.

ever.

no matter how much you beg or cry or whatever.

it never ends.
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Zeus posted...

Fake news, folks, fake news.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/03/29/did-pope-francis-say-there-no-hell-not-quite-vatican-insists/470442002/

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-pope-hell/vatican-rebukes-journalist-who-quoted-pope-as-denying-hell-idUSKBN1H52H8

Oh...
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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

Hey fellas can borrow like $3.50 for this thing I'm working on?

Update: don't mind the tail. It's a costume lol.

Yo 'hank I've goh'a Scoh-ish ahksent? *not from Loch Ness btw
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I'm not Catholic, so it doesn't matter to me all to much what he says.
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@Zeus posted...

BadCompany posted...

@Turbam posted...

LinksLiege posted...

It'll be interesting to see how Christians react to this.

Specifically how many will be angered at the idea of hell not existing. Even more specifically, why they want that sort of thing to exist.

Christians don't have anything to do with the pope

Please refrain from making ignorant statements on subjects you clearly know nothing about.

The Catholic Church, also known as the Roman Catholic Church, is the largest Christian church, with more than 1.29 billion members worldwide.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church

>Accuses somebody of ignorance
>Overlooks that more than just Catholics are Christian

Excuse me, did I say that Catholics are the only Christians or something? The only assertion I made with my post is that Turbam was demonstrably wrong when he said Christians dont have anything to do with the pope - because clearly they do, as Catholics are Christians just the same as Protestants.

Now, Im going to give you a pass this time, seeing as youre an ancient Greek god and presumably not up to speed on modern religions. But please dont direct another similarly asinine comment at me ever again.
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While Pope Francis is easily the most Christ-like figure religion has seen in centuries, he is pretty obviously contradicting established dogma here. Hell, even Jesus himself mentioned a place of eternal burning and suffering in his parables, even if the notion of such a place actually existing was and is absurd.
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Protestants are taught that Catholics are not Christian. And most Americans are raised Protestant. So the myth is very widespread

RaptorLC posted...

While Pope Francis is easily the most Christ-like figure religion has seen in centuries

You haven't even heard of the world's most Christ-like figures.
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Kolibri X posted...

This pope is a literal heretic and it seems he wants to be loved by everyone more than anything but this seems to be the trend of religion in the West. If he were a true believer in the faith he would push on despite how unpopular it was even though Catholicism has little place in this modernized interconnected techno world and can only exist as the shell it currently is.

Why shouldn't religions evolve like anything else? It's in their best interests if they want to survive the modern world indefinitely. They can't save souls if they die off.

Maybe an obscure religion that died was the true one and now everyone ever born is already damned because they refused to adapt to trends and no one is alive to show society the way. Good thing the very concept of religion is a joke or we would be screwed.
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Damn_Underscore posted...

RaptorLC posted...

While Pope Francis is easily the most Christ-like figure religion has seen in centuries

You haven't even heard of the world's most Christ-like figures.

They were pretty bad imitations then considering JC's celebrity.
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Zikten posted...

Protestants are taught that Catholics are not Christian. And most Americans are raised Protestant. So the myth is very widespread

That is not a tenant of the Protestant religion, even though some still hold those views.
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People follow the word of Jesus because it makes sense and is good. Why should we worry that a religion no one has heard of might be the one true religion? Say you are right and Jesus' word is wrong. Why should we be punished for following Jesus' word?

That being said, Jesus' word (not to mentioned the story of Jesus itself) tells us that while there is good on this earth and that we can bring bring to this earth as humans, there is also evil on this earth that we must be wary of.
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Protestants got some balls spinning off of the original canon and claiming the OG Christians are non-canon.
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This is all just a clever scheme to annoy Hutton Gibson to death.

lol, obviously. Like there's some magical world on fire that bad people go to suffer and burn for eternity when they die. Imagine believing this.
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hockeybub89 posted...

Protestants got some balls spinning off of the original canon and claiming the OG Christians are non-canon.

Catholics were among the first organized Christians, but they weren't The Originals. There were Christians shortly after the time of Christ who still technically didn't believe in the Trinity and other common teachings of basically all denominations of Christianity today.
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Damn_Underscore posted...

People follow the word of Jesus because it makes sense and is good. Why should we worry that a religion no one has heard of might be the one true religion? Say you are right and Jesus' word is wrong. Why should we be punished for following Jesus' word?

Because if you're wrong, and damn not even all Christians can compeltely agree on what God wants, then you might be fucked and your entire life was a lie. And who knows what that true deity thinks about non-believers or what his moral code is? Maybe what some religion deems as an evil spirit is the true god and we'll all suffer for not killing puppies as tribute.

Honestly, it takes a great deal of arrogance to follow a religion as you have to insist it is true and that you will be fine even if it turns out false.
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BadCompany posted...

@Turbam posted...

LinksLiege posted...

It'll be interesting to see how Christians react to this.

Specifically how many will be angered at the idea of hell not existing. Even more specifically, why they want that sort of thing to exist.

Christians don't have anything to do with the pope

Please refrain from making ignorant statements on subjects you clearly know nothing about.

The Catholic Church, also known as the Roman Catholic Church, is the largest Christian church, with more than 1.29 billion members worldwide.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church

not all Christians are Catholic
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How is my entire life a lie if I base my morals on the written word of Jesus? The word of Jesus is, at the very least, a righteous moral code.
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So instead your soul gets erased Hakai DB Super Beerus style?
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@BadCompany posted...

@ Zeus posted...

BadCompany posted...

@ Turbam posted...

LinksLiege posted...

It'll be interesting to see how Christians react to this.

Specifically how many will be angered at the idea of hell not existing. Even more specifically, why they want that sort of thing to exist.

Christians don't have anything to do with the pope

Please refrain from making ignorant statements on subjects you clearly know nothing about.

The Catholic Church, also known as the Roman Catholic Church, is the largest Christian church, with more than 1.29 billion members worldwide.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church

>Accuses somebody of ignorance
>Overlooks that more than just Catholics are Christian

Excuse me, did I say that Catholics are the only Christians or something? The only assertion I made with my post is that Turbam was demonstrably wrong when he said Christians dont have anything to do with the pope - because clearly they do, as Catholics are Christians just the same as Protestants.

Now, Im going to give you a pass this time, seeing as youre an ancient Greek god and presumably not up to speed on modern religions. But please dont direct another similarly asinine comment at me ever again.

That's a pretty weak cover, but I understand it can be hard to apologize.
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@MakoReizei posted...

BadCompany posted...

@Turbam posted...

LinksLiege posted...

It'll be interesting to see how Christians react to this.

Specifically how many will be angered at the idea of hell not existing. Even more specifically, why they want that sort of thing to exist.

Christians don't have anything to do with the pope

Please refrain from making ignorant statements on subjects you clearly know nothing about.

The Catholic Church, also known as the Roman Catholic Church, is the largest Christian church, with more than 1.29 billion members worldwide.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church

not all Christians are Catholic

Holy fuck, am I in an alternate dimension where people are incapable of comprehending a very simple comment? First it was Zeus, now you.

Ill tell you the same thing I told him - the only assertion I made with my post is that Turbam was demonstrably wrong when he said Christians dont have anything to do with the pope - because clearly they do, as Catholics are Christians just the same as Protestants.

Nothing in my post can be reasonably construed as claiming that Catholics are the only Christians. Id honestly love to know where you got that crazy idea.
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please don't humor the dopes who think Catholics aren't Christian.
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Zeus posted...

@BadCompany posted...

@ Zeus posted...

BadCompany posted...

@ Turbam posted...

LinksLiege posted...

It'll be interesting to see how Christians react to this.

Specifically how many will be angered at the idea of hell not existing. Even more specifically, why they want that sort of thing to exist.

Christians don't have anything to do with the pope

Please refrain from making ignorant statements on subjects you clearly know nothing about.

The Catholic Church, also known as the Roman Catholic Church, is the largest Christian church, with more than 1.29 billion members worldwide.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church

>Accuses somebody of ignorance
>Overlooks that more than just Catholics are Christian

Excuse me, did I say that Catholics are the only Christians or something? The only assertion I made with my post is that Turbam was demonstrably wrong when he said Christians dont have anything to do with the pope - because clearly they do, as Catholics are Christians just the same as Protestants.

Now, Im going to give you a pass this time, seeing as youre an ancient Greek god and presumably not up to speed on modern religions. But please dont direct another similarly asinine comment at me ever again.

That's a pretty weak cover, but I understand it can be hard to apologize.

Then enlighten me, o mighty Zeus. Please show me what part of my post carried any implication of Catholics being the only Christians.
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smoliske posted...

The article goes on to say that instead of eternal torment, your soul is simply destroyed. That's somehow slightly more terrifying.

Its pretty merciful in comparison. Like putting a bird that had its wings damaged beyond repair out of its misery or putting down a old dog that will never be able walk again
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Anteaterking posted...

Zikten posted...

Protestants are taught that Catholics are not Christian. And most Americans are raised Protestant. So the myth is very widespread

That is not a tenant of the Protestant religion, even though some still hold those views.

It's how the majority of Protestant religions are taught however. Which honestly if you study the Catholic religion, it would make sense why Protetants would see it as more of a cult. I know, I grew up Southern Baptist.
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Prestoff posted...

It's how the majority of Protestant religions are taught however. Which honestly if you study the Catholic religion, it would make sense why Protetants would see it as more of a cult. I know, I grew up Southern Baptist.

I grew up Baptist with parents from Methodist and Lutheran churches. It's not by any means a majority view.

I think you and Zikten might also be conflating two things. The belief that some of the unique tenants of Catholicism that differentiate it from Protestantism preclude it from being Christianity is not a very accepted belief and is pretty hard to substantiate, as even Martin Luther himself wouldn't claim that Catholics weren't Christian even despite all the flaws he saw in how the church was being run (and the two branched have reconciled much more in the years since then).

Where I normally see this attitude crop up is instead in regards to how "poorly" people who call themselves Catholics are at practicing their faith. While every sect of Christianity has Easter/Christmas Christians, Catholics often seem to bifurcate into very devoted (mass three nights a week, never miss) and extremely undevoted, but still refer to themselves as Catholic because technically they were brought up that way.
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No, I'm specifically talking about the doctrine and dogma within the Catholic religion is what many Protestant religions have problems with such as Catholics viewing the Eucharist as the literal body and blood (basically Catholics are technically cannibals) instead of it being symbolic, Protestants believes that only through faith you are saved while Catholics believe that works can also save (so basically Protestants believe even the ignorant can go to hell while Catholics believe even other religions and Atheists can get to heaven as long as they do good deeds), Catholics bowing and praying towards statues (Protestants view this as Idolatry), etc. Not that I agee that Catholics aren't Christian, but I can understand and see why Protestants would view such practices as unChristian like. With that said, as long as you believe in God/Jesus and the Holy Trinity I think one can fit into any Christian denomination.
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ShinobiNinjaX posted...

Why take his word for it?

the pope communicates with god
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