Board 8 > NBA Stats and Discussion - Where Tanking Happens

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TheRock1525 posted...

Make it 25-15 with Reggie healthy and him dropping 29 today after Andre Drummond got tossed.

At this point, I don't know whether to LAUGH OR CRY.
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Makes me wonder how good the team will be next year if they can add one more starter.
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41-41
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TheRock1525 posted...

Makes me wonder how good the team will be next year if they can add one more starter.

The only way we are adding another starter is if we somehow end up with a top 3 pick. Re-sign Tolliver, hope for internal improvement, with Stanley being the guy who has the most additional growth potential imo. That's all we can do, but that would be enough to have a great season assuming health.
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What's your salary situation like? I remember a few years back looking at you guys and it looked awful.

transcience posted...

41-41

You mean the record we're likely to finish with while our starting PG was out half the season and we made a major reshuffling of our roster?
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ShatteredElysium posted...

What's your salary situation like? I remember a few years back looking at you guys and it looked awful.

It's awful, yeah. They're right up against the luxury tax right now, and will only have 11 players under contract next year while being $6-8 million under it. Our owner has said he's willing to go into the luxury tax for a contender, I'm wondering if SVG can convince him of that.

Personally, I'd like to try and make a deal for Evan Fournier if Orlando is just looking to save some money. Something like Ish Smith and Jon Leuer for Fournier, put our full MLE towards a back-up PG and resign Anthony Tolliver.
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So it's time for fun with line-ups!

4 of our 5 most used five man line-ups have net negative ratings (offensive rating vs. defensive rating).
Jackson/Bradley/Johnson/Harris/Drummond (-7.4)
Smith/Bullock/Ennis/Griffin/Drummond (-15.7)
Smith/Bradley/Bullock/Harris/Drummond (-12.7)
Jackson/Bradley/Bullock/Harris/Drummond (-12.2)

The good news is that 3 of those lineups are literally impossible for us to run out now, and if he doesnt resign, neither is the forth one.

Lets go to two man lineups!

Avery Bradley and Tobias Harris shouldnt ever be teamed up, apparently. They had a -7.1 net rating and have played the 6th most minutes together on this team despite only appearing in 40 games. This might be an Avery Bradley problem because Harris seems to pair up better with Drummond (-3.6) and Jackson (-0.9), not so much Johnson (-5.8).

If you wanna look to the future, Drummond is a +6.6 with Luke Kennard in 625 minutes together, +3.3 with Blake Griffin in 585 minutes, +0.6 with Reggie Bullock in 1300 minutes, -0.5 with Reggie Jackson in 904 minutes, and -2.0 with Stanley Johnson in 1237 minutes.

With those same players since February 1st? +4.5 in 280 minutes with Kennard in 280 minutes, Griffin is the same obviously, +2.7 with Bullock in 721 minutes, +7.6 with Jackson in 113 minutes, and +4.4 with Johnson in 517 minutes.
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If you have league pass, bucks-nugs is crazy and going to ot. Huge game for west playoffs, and for the pistons slim playoff chances.
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thanks for the intel, icehawk!

transcience posted...

41-41

lmfao
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TheRock1525 posted...

transcience posted...

41-41

You mean the record we're likely to finish with while our starting PG was out half the season and we made a major reshuffling of our roster?

thatsthejoke.jpg
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This game is NUTS
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https://twitter.com/HPbasketball/status/980634684408315908?s=19

That sums up regulation. Nugs almost blew a 7 point lead with less than a minute left in OT too. Nuggets control their playoff Destiny now. And id much rather watch them than the wolves, so I hope they do It!

Meanwhile Pistons CLING TO LIFE!!!
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Icehawk posted...

Nuggets control their playoff Destiny now.

lol. what.
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SeabassDebeste posted...

Icehawk posted...

Nuggets control their playoff Destiny now.

lol. what.

i mean technically in the West every team from 4-10 can say that they control their own destiny

only two pair have to be mutually exclusive
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Nuggets play the Wolves twice, which is the only reason why they do.
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ah, got it.
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anyone know offhand why there are no NBA games scheduled today?
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ncaa final, they always clear the slate for that
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Hey I'm on the way there now
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oh right f that noise
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yeah it's a remnant of a time where the two sports overlapped
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I mean this is the only month of the year where people watch college basketball
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LeonhartFour posted...

I mean this is the only month of the year where normal people watch college basketball

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that feels like an unnecessary addition
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Because anyone that watches regular season college basketball is a crazy.
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I mean the implication of my post is that those people don't exist so you watered it down
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Crazy people are still people.
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They definitely exist. I see it in the bars that I go into where people ask for obscure college games to be put on even though NBA games are on.

I watch some of our games but not all. Like maybe a quarter of them?

losing to the bucks just sucks.

i mean given the injuries it's hardly expected to beat them, but a streak like that getting ended by milwaukee still sucks. a win would have made usurping the 1-seed tonight possible.
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I watched it too. Very disappointing because it essentially killed the pistons season, but man, you guys basically didn't have a PG, it was a valiant effort. You had no choice but to run 1 on 1 isos all game.

2 seed might be better honestly. I'd much rather play the heat over the bucks in round 1.
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It's disappointing since it was still winnable, but that "Brad Stevens Burst" wasn't quite enough this time.

I don't have a strong preference between Milwaukee/Miami/even Detroit. They're all dangerous to an inexperienced team missing its two best players and longest tenured member (Smart).

Milwaukee is beatable because they've just never figured out how to make it work with Giannis. Despite how dominant he is, he's still flawed because he can't shoot and can be frustrated into mistakes. That said, riding without Kyrie, he'll obviously be the best player on the court by far.

Miami doesn't seem to have A-line talent, but the Celtics are also missing that, and Spo is one of the coaches who can match Stevens. Plus they've got Olynyk the Clinic.

Pistons are out of contention now but I haven't forgotten that they got that W in Boston when we were as healthy as we've been and fresh off the win streak.

also, i'm sorry as a basketball fan that you had to watch that game
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and with that loss to the Clippers, the Spurs' streak of 50-win seasons will officially come to an end

sad day
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yeah, saw that :(

this celtics game is not going well.
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SeabassDebeste posted...

yeah, saw that :(

this celtics game is not going well.

Replace celtics with raptors and you've got the last few weeks.

They havent recovered from that first Cleveland loss.
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So with the Sixers beating the Pistons, the East is officially set, its just the order that could change at this point

I wonder if the Sixers could steal the 3 seed from the Cavs.
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between Toronto and Boston, it's getting hard not to pick Cleveland to take the East

Philly is a sexy pick if Embiid is healthy
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transience posted...

between Toronto and Boston, it's getting hard not to pick Cleveland to take the East

Philly is a sexy pick if Embiid is healthy

they've gotta be able to survive at least one playoff series without him though
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celtics aren't guaranteed to make it there either if kyrie won't be back.

this season is making me sad in ways i didn't think it could after the hayward injury.
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I mean, if it's Philly/Indiana and Embiid is MIA for some of that series and in a mask for the other half, does anyone actually pick Indiana?
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transience posted...

I mean, if it's Philly/Indiana and Embiid is MIA for some of that series and in a mask for the other half, does anyone actually pick Indiana?

wouldn't surprise me if the Pacers win if Embiid can't be himself

the East feels pretty wide open this year with all the injuries and chaos but it probably ends with LeBron in the Finals again anyway
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there's zero chance any team not named the Cleveland LeBrons makes it out of the east.
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What about the cavs
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Kyrie is out the rest of the year. this was my concern for him -- that he isn't durable in the way that you want for a #1. it's smart of Boston to just take a knee for the rest of the year though. the deck was really stacked against them.
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oh. guess there's no reason for gordie to try to make it back either, then.

well, i still want to win round 1 and give lebron hell. but this fucking sucks.

also, i just made the mistake of thinking back to the last few runs the celtics made where i actually had expectations.

rondo ACL tear in 2013
avery bradley double-shoulder surgery in 2012
kendrick perkins trade and rondo's dislocated arm in 2011
kendrick perkins ACL tear in 2010
KG knee in 2009

:(
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Kyrie threatening to get knee surgery last year if he wasn't traded, only to have to get knee surgery and miss the playoffs this year feels like some sort of karmic justice.
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Icehawk posted...

Nuggets play the Wolves twice, which is the only reason why they do.

We're probably screwed. Outside of a few games, we've been bad as we have been without Butler. I just don't see us making it. Probably will be Jazz and Nuggets.
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Ouch. Sucks for the Celtics but I have a feeling almost no one will feel sorry for them outside of Mass.
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Nothing like all of Celtics wheeling and dealing blowing up in their faces.
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Rockets vs. Wizards
Pacers vs. Jazz

Cavs vs. Wolves
Celtics vs. Pelicans

Raptors vs. Nuggets
Blazers vs. Thunder

Warriors vs. Heat
76ers vs. Spurs

Playoffs today if there were no conference barriers. God that would be SO GOOD.
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