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Giving a shit about how someone styles their hair is stupid.

Also who gives a shit if someone turns a profit? It's music/image... not blood diamonds.

TheGrindery posted...

Also who gives a shit if someone turns a profit?

You mean to tell me that if someone blatantly plagiarized your work and stripped away all soul and meaning behind it for profit, while you were left with nothing, that you wouldn't be upset?
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Computers are a TOOL. Cars are a TOOL. Cornrows are an ethnic hairstyle that people with coarse hair (i.e., blacks) use to manage their hair. Same thing with white dudes that go around wearing durags without understanding why black men wear it. They just wear it because it "looks" cool.

so fuckin kanye appropriated my peoples skinny jeans? the audacity
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robellr13 posted...

Alexanaxela posted...

welp at least now i understand why this dood thinks that any rapper that isn't talking about hoes, money, drugs, the ghetto, or how awesome they are is corny, pretentious, and corny

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Do you seriously believe Joyner Lucas represents people that dont talk about the former?

1. Joyner Lucas does rap about that
2. I do listen to rappers that are much better song writers than Lucas. Mos Def, Black Thought, MF Doom, Run the Jewels and etc.
3. Joyner Lucas is corny because he was dissing logic to get some recognition. Plus he judges other people like his life is perfect. He is a more talented Hopsin. Expand your taste.

oh ok, he's corny because he talked shit about another rapper. Im sure he's the only rapper to ever do that before lol. At least you finally explained what you were talking about
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

TheGrindery posted...

Also who gives a shit if someone turns a profit?

You mean to tell me that if someone blatantly plagiarized your work and stripped away all soul and meaning behind it for profit, while you were left with nothing, that you wouldn't be upset?

there are pretty strict laws against copyrighted music so if you didn't copyright that shit

tough
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

TheGrindery posted...

Also who gives a shit if someone turns a profit?

You mean to tell me that if someone blatantly plagiarized your work and stripped away all soul and meaning behind it for profit, while you were left with nothing, that you wouldn't be upset?

Your work? You came up with this stuff? Sharing a complexion with those who did doesn't mean it's yours to say who can or can't do it too.

Do you want a check from every non-black person who does their hair like that? Should you be compensated daily or weekly or what?

Cultural appartheidists are the worst

TheGrindery posted...

Your work? You came up with this stuff? Sharing a complexion with those who did doesn't mean it's yours to say who can or can't do it too.

When I'm talking about "your work" I'm referring to people that actually contribute to the genre.

I thought that was obvious.

TheGrindery posted...

Do you want a check from every non-black person who does their hair like that? Should you be compensated daily or weekly or what?

No, I think it's acceptable to appreciate and enjoy things from a culture, so long as you don't disrespect the people in that culture by pushing stereotypes.
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And what about those in the culture who are also pushing stereotypes?

500 topic in the making?
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Vulgorn posted...

500 topic in the making?

I said mother fucker a few times yesterday. Got a PayPal account?

Asherlee10 posted...

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

No, I think it's acceptable to appreciate and enjoy things from a culture, so long as you don't disrespect the people in that culture by pushing stereotypes.

What is an example of 'appropriate' culture borrowing that you think is 'respectable?'

I think that, while Macklemore is trying too hard to kiss up to black folks, I think he's being fairly respectful with his music.

Eminem is another one. He'll actively put black artists he likes and respects on his music so they can eat too, though he did have that incident where he was talking shit about black women way back in the days. Eminem even openly acknowledges that he wouldn't be as popular if he was a black man
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Just to point out, Houston is in East Texas, not South Texas, holy fuck. South Texas is in the Rio Grande Valley and such.
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Bro. They wont understand it. Lol its like being called out on your bullshit, And they are too ashamed to admit it

Alexanaxela posted...

robellr13 posted...

Alexanaxela posted...

welp at least now i understand why this dood thinks that any rapper that isn't talking about hoes, money, drugs, the ghetto, or how awesome they are is corny, pretentious, and corny

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Do you seriously believe Joyner Lucas represents people that dont talk about the former?

1. Joyner Lucas does rap about that
2. I do listen to rappers that are much better song writers than Lucas. Mos Def, Black Thought, MF Doom, Run the Jewels and etc.
3. Joyner Lucas is corny because he was dissing logic to get some recognition. Plus he judges other people like his life is perfect. He is a more talented Hopsin. Expand your taste.

oh ok, he's corny because he talked shit about another rapper. Im sure he's the only rapper to ever do that before lol. At least you finally explained what you were talking about

Nah its because hes a rapper trying to be mainstream by constantly dissing an established mainstream rapper when that mainstream rapper hasnt even replied to none of the disses. Hes corny but talented.

masticatingman posted...

Just to point out, Houston is in East Texas, not South Texas, holy fuck. South Texas is in the Rio Grande Valley and such.

South. West. Houston. Texas. Im in the southwest part of Houston of Texas.
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I haven't read this topic but please tell me it isn't 400+ posts of "Well nobody plays instruments" or "I can't relate to most of the messages"
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Asherlee10 posted...

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Asherlee10 posted...

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

No, I think it's acceptable to appreciate and enjoy things from a culture, so long as you don't disrespect the people in that culture by pushing stereotypes.

What is an example of 'appropriate' culture borrowing that you think is 'respectable?'

I think that, while Macklemore is trying too hard to kiss up to black folks, I think he's being fairly respectful with his music.

Eminem is another one. He'll actively put black artists he likes and respects on his music so they can eat too, though he did have that incident where he was talking shit about black women way back in the days. Eminem even openly acknowledges that he wouldn't be as popular if he was a black man

Now that has been established, what is an example (or several) of inappropriate and disrespectful people in terms of culture borrowing?

The biggest standout to me is Taylor Swift. Nothing about her rap songs feels genuine and it honestly sounds like she's just playing off of the rap stereotypes that her primary fanbase seems to think most rap music consists of, mostly for a laugh.

Eminem fans are guilty of this too. They were the same people condemning gangsta rap because they "couldn't relate to it" and "it's nothing but selling drugs and fucking bitches" but turn around and think Eminem is a lyrical mastermind when he talks about fucking his mom and ODing on vicodin.
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robellr13 posted...

Nah its because hes a rapper trying to be mainstream by constantly dissing an established mainstream rapper when that mainstream rapper hasnt even replied to none of the disses. Hes corny but talented.

... so if chance were to diss him, then he would go from corny to not corny somehow? Hopefully you realize how silly all this sounds
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

The biggest standout to me is Taylor Swift. Nothing about her rap songs feels genuine and it honestly sounds like she's just playing off of the rap stereotypes that her primary fanbase seems to think most rap music consists of, mostly for a laugh.

Her and Miley Cyrus are the big ones to me.
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Alexanaxela posted...

robellr13 posted...

Nah its because hes a rapper trying to be mainstream by constantly dissing an established mainstream rapper when that mainstream rapper hasnt even replied to none of the disses. Hes corny but talented.

... so if chance were to diss him, then he would go from corny to not corny somehow? Hopefully you realize how silly all this sounds

Chance isn't corny precisely because he wouldn't do some shit like that.

Hopsin is corny and that motherfucker has made a career out of dissing rappers bigger than him for no reason.
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Alexanaxela posted...

robellr13 posted...

Nah its because hes a rapper trying to be mainstream by constantly dissing an established mainstream rapper when that mainstream rapper hasnt even replied to none of the disses. Hes corny but talented.

... so if chance were to diss him, then he would go from corny to not corny somehow? Hopefully you realize how silly all this sounds

Dude. Did you just completely miss my point?

Chance is already mainstream
Logic is already mainstream
Joyner Lucas is NOT mainstream

Logic hasnt responded to a single diss. Because if he does, hell give Joyner free publicity. Why cant you understand this bro lol
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chance is actually really corny since he had a kid
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People are buying it. Being mad about it probably makes it more fun for them.

This is as dumb as when people got mad about non-nerds pretending to be into nerdy stuff because that was gaining momentum.

Asherlee10 posted...

Now that has been established, what is an example (or several) of inappropriate and disrespectful people in terms of culture borrowing?

Miley Cyrus. Used rap to make profit. When she sucked it dry she did a 180 and shit on rap completely.
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Vulgorn posted...

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

The biggest standout to me is Taylor Swift. Nothing about her rap songs feels genuine and it honestly sounds like she's just playing off of the rap stereotypes that her primary fanbase seems to think most rap music consists of, mostly for a laugh.

Her and Miley Cyrus are the big ones to me.

The Kardashians at one point before they birthed black kids.
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TheGrindery posted...

People are buying it. Being mad about it probably makes it more fun for them.

This is as dumb as when people got mad about non-nerds pretending to be into nerdy stuff because that was gaining momentum.

Jesus Christ lol
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TheGrindery posted...

This is as dumb as when people got mad about non-nerds pretending to be into nerdy stuff because that was gaining momentum.

I mean, that's pretty justifiable too when you were picked on, bullied and ridiculed for liking that shit.

But yeah that does sound like a pretty mundane thing to be mad about. Now put that into the context of black people and black culture and you'll see where the problem is.
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Also being a nerd is something you grew up to like. Black culture is something you were born in. Theres a difference.
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robellr13 posted...

Alexanaxela posted...

robellr13 posted...

Nah its because hes a rapper trying to be mainstream by constantly dissing an established mainstream rapper when that mainstream rapper hasnt even replied to none of the disses. Hes corny but talented.

... so if chance were to diss him, then he would go from corny to not corny somehow? Hopefully you realize how silly all this sounds

Dude. Did you just completely miss my point?

Chance is already mainstream
Logic is already mainstream
Joyner Lucas is NOT mainstream

Logic hasnt responded to a single diss. Because if he does, hell give Joyner free publicity. Why cant you understand this bro lol

i just don't get the "you can't diss someone more mainstream than you as that's corny" logic. So in every beef that two rappers have, the less mainstream rapper is being corny? It's just really weird logic. You would think being "corny" would have more to do with music, not "he dissed this more popular guy."
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

TheGrindery posted...

This is as dumb as when people got mad about non-nerds pretending to be into nerdy stuff because that was gaining momentum.

I mean, that's pretty justifiable too when you were picked on, bullied and ridiculed for liking that shit.

But yeah that does sound like a pretty mundane thing to be mad about. Now put that into the context of black people and black culture and you'll see where the problem is.

"I want the things I like to be seen as cool." Then it happens and it's all "Hey! That's mine!"

But caring about someone that "isn't real" selling music to people that want it.....I don't see how that isn't a waste of time.

Alexanaxela posted...

i just don't get the "you can't diss someone more mainstream than you as that's corny" logic. So in every beef that two rappers have, the less mainstream rapper is being corny?

Most rap beef is typically between two artists that actually know each other and some altercation or incident caused a feud between them.

It's different when some nobody is taking shots at some guy he's never even met before.
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Chance the rapper is the biggest example of being a poster boy ever

So many big name co-signs yet he's inferior to Childish Gambino alone in rapping, singing, and song structure
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Alexanaxela posted...

i just don't get the "you can't diss someone more mainstream than you as that's corny" logic. So in every beef that two rappers have, the less mainstream rapper is being corny?

Most rap beef is typically between two artists that actually know each other and some altercation or incident caused a feud between them.

It's different when some nobody is taking shots at some guy he's never even met before.

but he was dissing logic because of that sriracha song they made together because logic took a long time and he didn't feel like logic gave his best work...
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Can't spell crap without rap.
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Alexanaxela posted...

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Alexanaxela posted...

i just don't get the "you can't diss someone more mainstream than you as that's corny" logic. So in every beef that two rappers have, the less mainstream rapper is being corny?

Most rap beef is typically between two artists that actually know each other and some altercation or incident caused a feud between them.

It's different when some nobody is taking shots at some guy he's never even met before.

but he was dissing logic because of that sriracha song they made together because logic took a long time and he didn't feel like logic gave his best work...

Well, I'm speaking generally. I don't know much about that situation.
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Thanks Mr XYZ for giving me the rythyms and beats to spit logically. Would that be an acceptable culturally appropriated lyric? Would it be culuturally appropriated if the author cited where he or she sampled something. I seem to remember some rappers getting in trouble for not doing that in the past.This is legitimately interesting.
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is chance the rapper an industry plant
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Debating music with someone who can't talk about it without using the words mainstream and underground is nothing more than a time sink.

TheGrindery posted...

Debating music with someone who can't talk about it without using the words mainstream and underground is nothing more than a time sink.

This is true. Also, can someone explain how some people are getting so emotionally invested in pretend feuds when they dont know either party in their daily life?
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AvantgardeAClue posted...

Chance the rapper is the biggest example of being a poster boy ever

So many big name co-signs yet he's inferior to Childish Gambino alone in rapping, singing, and song structure

Wait hold up lmao. Acid rap is a classic mixtape

Alexanaxela posted...

robellr13 posted...

Alexanaxela posted...

robellr13 posted...

Nah its because hes a rapper trying to be mainstream by constantly dissing an established mainstream rapper when that mainstream rapper hasnt even replied to none of the disses. Hes corny but talented.

... so if chance were to diss him, then he would go from corny to not corny somehow? Hopefully you realize how silly all this sounds

Dude. Did you just completely miss my point?

Chance is already mainstream
Logic is already mainstream
Joyner Lucas is NOT mainstream

Logic hasnt responded to a single diss. Because if he does, hell give Joyner free publicity. Why cant you understand this bro lol

i just don't get the "you can't diss someone more mainstream than you as that's corny" logic. So in every beef that two rappers have, the less mainstream rapper is being corny? It's just really weird logic. You would think being "corny" would have more to do with music, not "he dissed this more popular guy."

Hes also pretentious. Hes almost the black russ. Lecrae is a Christian rapper and hes far from being one.
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TheGrindery posted...

"I want the things I like to be seen as cool." Then it happens and it's all "Hey! That's mine!"

The problem is that there's no genuine appreciation for it. Rap music, even trap music, was birthed from the black community and relates to the black struggle (mostly, not always; again, Eminem).

Then one of these aforementioned "culture vultures" comes along and sees they can profit from it, strips away its soul and sells it to a bunch of people that don't fuck with the black community or black music, but they'll buy it simply because there's a white face attached to it this time.

Taylor Swift can legally do whatever the fuck she wants, I'm simply explaining why she and her fans get labeled as culture vultures and why many black people don't respect her.
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robellr13 posted...

Wait hold up lmao. Acid rap is a classic mixtape

In fact, as much as I like Childish Gambino, Acid Rap is better than any project CG has ever done.
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

TheGrindery posted...

"I want the things I like to be seen as cool." Then it happens and it's all "Hey! That's mine!"

The problem is that there's no genuine appreciation for it. Rap music, even trap music, was birthed from the black community and relates to the black struggle (mostly, not always; again, Eminem).

Then one of these aforementioned "culture vultures" comes along and sees they can profit from it, strips away its soul and sells it to a bunch of people that don't fuck with the black community or black music, but they'll buy it simply because there's a white face attached to it this time.

Taylor Swift can legally do whatever the fuck she wants, I'm simply explaining why she and her fans get labeled as culture vultures and why many black people don't respect her.

If her music somehow erased the other, I'd see your point.

Because I appreciate melody, musical talent, and original creation, all absent from rap music.
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TheGrindery posted...

If her music somehow erased the other, I'd see your point.

Her music is only a symptom of the problem, not the cause of it.

In actuality, the problem is that society still tends to think less of something when a black face is attached to it or at the very least, will actively discard something as being "too black" for them to enjoy.
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robellr13 posted...

Hes also pretentious. Hes almost the black russ. Lecrae is a Christian rapper and hes far from being one.

oh ok
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

In actuality, the problem is that society still tends to think less of something when a black face is attached to it or at the very least, will actively discard something as being "too black" for them to enjoy.

BTW, I dare anyone to try to deny this when we JUST had a topic a week ago about people not playing GTA San Andreas purely because the main character was black. With posts from people during the time the game came out to prove it. And people in the very topic STILL agreeing with it in 2018.
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

TheGrindery posted...

If her music somehow erased the other, I'd see your point.

Her music is only a symptom of the problem, not the cause of it.

In actuality, the problem is that society still tends to think less of something when a black face is attached to it or at the very least, will actively discard something as being "too black" for them to enjoy.

Shrug those people off. Racist people can't be changed if they ENJOY their views. I say the same thing when someone says that the actions of one is a reflection of their whole race. Only a racist sees it that way and it's pointless to debate them.

I make fun of everything regardless of whether or not I like it. This seems sort of comparable to when people would say I was "ruining" a song. As if my parody somehow erased the original from existence.