Poll of the Day > Trump Supporter whose Daughter was Killed in Florida is AGAINST GUN CONTROL!!!

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Andrew Pollack, the father one of the victims killed in the Florida Shooting Massacre said he's AGAINST changing US Gun laws because it's not "achievable"

His 18 y/o daughter, Meadow was "stalked and shot 9 times" by 19 y/o Nikolas Cruz at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School.

This has yet again sparked a debate on US gun laws and nationwide protests against lenient regulations around semi-automatic weapons and background checks

But Andrew, who was a huge Trump Supporter in the 2016 election is warning the focus on gun laws but rather school safety.

He said "Gun laws right now are not achievable. My daughter was murdered by a gun. She should have been safe in school. I'm not saying don't go after gun laws. I'm not a gun expert, i'm saying that's the problem. School shootings always getting twisted into gun laws and gun control. If we all focus together, one nation, no political affiliation, we could work together and make schools safe again, and then we go fight it out"

His comments surfaced after the Florida Senate briefly approved a 2 year freeze on the sale of AR-15 rifles before OVERTURNING it in 15 minutes after the initial vote!!

Mr Pollack was one of the attendees during Trump's listening session who seemed to have suggested NOT changing gun laws during that meeting and reaffirmed that today.

Mr Pollack also made it clear that he was with the President and that he supported him in the election.

Trump is also see-sawing on his support for gun control after previously stated that he supports it but the NRA came out and said that he DOESN'T support it...

Does it surprise you that Mr Pollack doesn't support Gun Control after what happened?

Andrew - Against Gun Control

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Meadow - Deceased

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mrduckbear posted...

He said "Gun laws right now are not achievable. My daughter was murdered by a gun. She should have been safe in school. I'm not saying don't go after gun laws. I'm not a gun expert, i'm saying that's the problem. School shootings always getting twisted into gun laws and gun control. If we all focus together, one nation, no political affiliation, we could work together and make schools safe again, and then we go fight it out"

yeah we can make schools safe again by enacting reasonable and sensible gun control

no shit sherlock
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While i'm for gun reform, I'm MORE against kneejerk reactions to disasters... so I was going to agree with the person, but their REASONING is garbage... "because it's unattainable"? BULLSEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET, nothing is unattainable!
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I'm so tired of people using gun control as "fix all" solution. Look how many acts of terror / violence were committed all other the world with out using any guns.
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@Jen0125 revising gun laws doesn't fix why these people feel that resorting to violence is the best way to solve their problems and won't stop the increased level of violent offenders.
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Lobomoon posted...

I'm so tired of people using gun control as "fix all" solution. Look how many acts of terror / violence were committed all other the world with out using any guns.

and where did they take place in american schools? no one is saying removing guns is a fix all for every crime but if you're talking about reducing school shooting then fuckin maybe making access to guns more difficult could curb those numbers. whodathunk?

SunWuKung420 posted...

@Jen0125 revising gun laws doesn't fix why these people feel that resorting to violence is the best way to solve their problems and won't stop the increased level of violent offenders.

and? you can revise gun laws and make taking care of mental health easier/more affordable.

whodathunk??
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Not really. They just use something else instead of guns.
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Jen0125 posted...

mental health easier/more affordable

Needing mental health help is still taboo and there's a definite uptick in the cost of health care not the opposite.

Revising guns laws won't stop the problem of violence. Violence is the problem not guns.
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Lobomoon posted...

Not really. They just use something else instead of guns.

yeah please show me a mass baseball batting and mass knifing that killed 17 people at an american school.

SunWuKung420 posted...

Needing mental health help is still taboo and there's a definite uptick in the cost of health care not the opposite.

Revising guns laws won't stop the problem of violence. Violence is the problem not guns.

so because there is a deeper underlying problem we shouldn't make it less accessible for these mentally troubled people to obtain weapons that allow them to kill 17 people in around 6 minutes?
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Jen0125 posted...

Lobomoon posted...

Not really. They just use something else instead of guns.

yeah please show me a mass baseball batting and mass knifing that killed 17 people at an american school.

You are so naive. But there are plenty news reports of terrorists using explosives, fires or heavy vehicles to kill people.
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How about gun control and money towards mental health. Nah let's not do either, thoughts and prayers.

Imagine living in a country where military spending is more important than health.

Lobomoon posted...

Jen0125 posted...

Lobomoon posted...

Not really. They just use something else instead of guns.

yeah please show me a mass baseball batting and mass knifing that killed 17 people at an american school.

You are so naive. But there are plenty news reports of terrorists using explosives, fires or heavy vehicles to kill people.

Key word was American. And school.

Lil69Leo posted...

Lobomoon posted...

Jen0125 posted...

Lobomoon posted...

Not really. They just use something else instead of guns.

yeah please show me a mass baseball batting and mass knifing that killed 17 people at an american school.

You are so naive. But there are plenty news reports of terrorists using explosives, fires or heavy vehicles to kill people.

Key word was American. And school.

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Lil69Leo posted...

Lobomoon posted...

Jen0125 posted...

Lobomoon posted...

Not really. They just use something else instead of guns.

yeah please show me a mass baseball batting and mass knifing that killed 17 people at an american school.

You are so naive. But there are plenty news reports of terrorists using explosives, fires or heavy vehicles to kill people.

Key word was American. And school.

So just because it doesn't have those keywords - it can't be done?
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Lobomoon posted...

Lil69Leo posted...

Lobomoon posted...

Jen0125 posted...

Lobomoon posted...

Not really. They just use something else instead of guns.

yeah please show me a mass baseball batting and mass knifing that killed 17 people at an american school.

You are so naive. But there are plenty news reports of terrorists using explosives, fires or heavy vehicles to kill people.

Key word was American. And school.

So just because it doesn't have those keywords - it can't be done?

Because it doesn't have those key words and has never been done at a school it's pretty fucking irrelevant.

Lobomoon posted...

Jen0125 posted...

Lobomoon posted...

Not really. They just use something else instead of guns.

yeah please show me a mass baseball batting and mass knifing that killed 17 people at an american school.

You are so naive. But there are plenty news reports of terrorists using explosives, fires or heavy vehicles to kill people.

Plus Asian nations are infamous for mass stabbing incidents. Hell, in Japan just a few years ago, some guy stabbed to death 19 people (and injured others) and then, because it's Japan, turned himself in at a nearby police station. There's not enough shit you can ban and freedoms you can remove to stop spree killers.
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Lil69Leo posted...

Lobomoon posted...

Lil69Leo posted...

Lobomoon posted...

Jen0125 posted...

Lobomoon posted...

Not really. They just use something else instead of guns.

yeah please show me a mass baseball batting and mass knifing that killed 17 people at an american school.

You are so naive. But there are plenty news reports of terrorists using explosives, fires or heavy vehicles to kill people.

Key word was American. And school.

So just because it doesn't have those keywords - it can't be done?

Because it doesn't have those key words and has never been done at a school it's pretty fucking irrelevant.

So if it doesn't happen in front of you face it doesn't exist?
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Zeus posted...

Plus Asian nations are infamous for mass stabbing incidents.

no they aren't. those are also few and far between. infamous might be technically the correct word because it's crazy when it happens but it's not COMMON and that's the point.
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Lobomoon posted...

Lil69Leo posted...

Lobomoon posted...

Lil69Leo posted...

Lobomoon posted...

Jen0125 posted...

Lobomoon posted...

Not really. They just use something else instead of guns.

yeah please show me a mass baseball batting and mass knifing that killed 17 people at an american school.

You are so naive. But there are plenty news reports of terrorists using explosives, fires or heavy vehicles to kill people.

Key word was American. And school.

So just because it doesn't have those keywords - it can't be done?

Because it doesn't have those key words and has never been done at a school it's pretty fucking irrelevant.

So if it doesn't happen in front of you face it doesn't exist?

yeah you keep moving the goalposts of your topic
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I just want him to explain why he thinks it's impossible for some crazy school kid in USA to use a home made explosive or a car instead of a gun.
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i just want you to show me times when it has happened as frequently as once a year or more
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You first.
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"Gun control", as proposed by people who tend to believe the AR-15 is particularly dangerous, based entirely on appearance and not actual functionality, means further control of legal weapons, while doing nothing to deter the illegally-obtained weapons, which comprise 80% of violent gun crime.
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Gunsandredroses posted...

"Gun control", as proposed by people who tend to believe the AR-15 is particularly dangerous, based entirely on appearance and not actual functionality, means further control of legal weapons, while doing nothing to deter the illegally-obtained weapons, which comprise 80% of violent gun crime.

Give me one valid reason you need a military grade assault rifle for personal use. It's absolutely military grade and can be made to fire rapidly legally.

Lobomoon posted...

Lil69Leo posted...

Lobomoon posted...

Lil69Leo posted...

Lobomoon posted...

Jen0125 posted...

Lobomoon posted...

Not really. They just use something else instead of guns.

yeah please show me a mass baseball batting and mass knifing that killed 17 people at an american school.

You are so naive. But there are plenty news reports of terrorists using explosives, fires or heavy vehicles to kill people.

Key word was American. And school.

So just because it doesn't have those keywords - it can't be done?

Because it doesn't have those key words and has never been done at a school it's pretty fucking irrelevant.

So if it doesn't happen in front of you face it doesn't exist?

Imagine having 0 argument and making up shit responses like yours.

What if you actually made good points. There is another good hypothetical.

Lil69Leo posted...

Gunsandredroses posted...

"Gun control", as proposed by people who tend to believe the AR-15 is particularly dangerous, based entirely on appearance and not actual functionality, means further control of legal weapons, while doing nothing to deter the illegally-obtained weapons, which comprise 80% of violent gun crime.

Give me one valid reason you need a military grade assault rifle for personal use. It's absolutely military grade and can be made to fire rapidly legally.

I like how people say military grade like it makes something better or more scary. Military grade just means it was built for certain requirements and is made by the lowest bidder.
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Lil69Leo posted...

Imagine having 0 argument and making up shit responses like yours.

Well, you don't really have to imagine, do you? I mean, you make up shit responses far worse than anything he's ever said.

Lil69Leo posted...

What if you actually made good points. There is another good hypothetical.

Kind of a hypocritical hypothetical, considering I'm not sure I've heard you once make a great point. It's why I've long thought you're just working a gimmick.

XlaxJynx007 posted...

Lil69Leo posted...

Gunsandredroses posted...

"Gun control", as proposed by people who tend to believe the AR-15 is particularly dangerous, based entirely on appearance and not actual functionality, means further control of legal weapons, while doing nothing to deter the illegally-obtained weapons, which comprise 80% of violent gun crime.

Give me one valid reason you need a military grade assault rifle for personal use. It's absolutely military grade and can be made to fire rapidly legally.

I like how people say military grade like it makes something better or more scary. Military grade just means it was built for certain requirements and is made by the lowest bidder.

This, tbh. It's a bad-faith propaganda term. Then again, it fits in well with all of Leo's bad-faith arguments.
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Zeus posted...

Plus Asian nations are infamous for mass stabbing incidents. Hell, in Japan just a few years ago, some guy stabbed to death 19 people (and injured others) and then, because it's Japan, turned himself in at a nearby police station. There's not enough shit you can ban and freedoms you can remove to stop spree killers.

Why don't we just ban murder, then?

After a situation where the government not only failed but didn't even bother to attempt to stop, why would any reasonably sensible person trust the government to keep them safe?
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Lil69Leo posted...

Give me one valid reason you need a military grade assault rifle for personal use.

bill of rights not bill of needs

There are so many shooting in USA because using a gun is the easiest option. But thinking that taking away the guns would suddenly make everyone nice...

That's just dumb.


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Jen0125 posted...

Lobomoon posted...

I'm so tired of people using gun control as "fix all" solution. Look how many acts of terror / violence were committed all other the world with out using any guns.

and where did they take place in american schools? no one is saying removing guns is a fix all for every crime but if you're talking about reducing school shooting then fuckin maybe making access to guns more difficult could curb those numbers. whodathunk?

SunWuKung420 posted...

@Jen0125 revising gun laws doesn't fix why these people feel that resorting to violence is the best way to solve their problems and won't stop the increased level of violent offenders.

and? you can revise gun laws and make taking care of mental health easier/more affordable.

whodathunk??

A liberal who cant control their emotions spewing tons of dreams with no real substance or ideas.

Whodathunk?

So who has to magically snap their fingers to lower the cost of mental health?

You need guns if you live in Florida to stop the gators from eating your babies.
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Remember how they used to blame videoames for everything? Now it's guns.
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At least no one is blaming the murderer. It's as if the guns had a mind of their own and just jumped into his arms, and the rounds had a mind of their own and jumped into the gun's chambers, and the trigger had a mind of their own and pulled itself.

Sounds like a riddle: if an unloaded gun sits on the shelf and no one approaches it, does the gun fire by itself?
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"School shootings get twisted into gun laws and gun control" stands as the single most idiotic thing I've read in ages... Dumb and/or ignorant people are the most likely to have absurd opinions based on fallacies. Why do you think anyone still believes a) that their guns could protect then from such a powerful government and b) that said government hasn't already taken complete control already and is just good at placating/fooling the masses? America is a liberal oligarchy, and to think otherwise is to fool yourself. You know who else has elections? North Korea.

Tangent: People hear "autocracy" or one of its synonyms and assume it's inherently awful because some bad apples did admittedly terrible things. There are still plenty of examples of great leaders who followed that doctrine though (a few are listed here, because I know how some people hate to use Google: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benevolent_dictatorship). Places viewed as more open or altruistic still commit atrocities too, even the leader of the free world (" ": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_war_crimes). A government is just that, and any form is capable of good or evil. Some are obviously much more predisposed to sucking, but I felt the need to address this because propaganda tells us all that democracy is inherently noble, but it's just as susceptible to corruption as anything else, there are just better safeguards.
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Jen0125 posted...

mrduckbear posted...

He said "Gun laws right now are not achievable. My daughter was murdered by a gun. She should have been safe in school. I'm not saying don't go after gun laws. I'm not a gun expert, i'm saying that's the problem. School shootings always getting twisted into gun laws and gun control. If we all focus together, one nation, no political affiliation, we could work together and make schools safe again, and then we go fight it out"

yeah we can make schools safe again by enacting reasonable and sensible gun control

no shit sherlock

No you cant. There are thousands of laws. A few more will not work.

People need to stop being the flock and arm themselves and become wolves.

TheCyborgNinja posted...

"School shootings get twisted into gun laws and gun control" stands as the single most idiotic thing I've read in ages... Dumb and/or ignorant people are the most likely to have absurd opinions based on fallacies. Why do you think anyone still believes a) that their guns could protect then from such a powerful government and b) that said government hasn't already taken complete control already and is just good at placating/fooling the masses? America is a liberal oligarchy, and to think otherwise is to fool yourself. You know who else has elections? North Korea.

...he says forgetting that the quagmires the US has found itself in have largely involved armed citizenry rather than just a military. Typically occupying forces have always struggled against guerrilla warfare.
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Mauser posted...

Jen0125 posted...

mrduckbear posted...

He said "Gun laws right now are not achievable. My daughter was murdered by a gun. She should have been safe in school. I'm not saying don't go after gun laws. I'm not a gun expert, i'm saying that's the problem. School shootings always getting twisted into gun laws and gun control. If we all focus together, one nation, no political affiliation, we could work together and make schools safe again, and then we go fight it out"

yeah we can make schools safe again by enacting reasonable and sensible gun control

no shit sherlock

No you cant. There are thousands of laws. A few more will not work.

People need to stop being the flock and arm themselves and become wolves.

Yet every other country in the 1st world doesn't have this problem. I wonder why.

XlaxJynx007 posted...

Lil69Leo posted...

Gunsandredroses posted...

"Gun control", as proposed by people who tend to believe the AR-15 is particularly dangerous, based entirely on appearance and not actual functionality, means further control of legal weapons, while doing nothing to deter the illegally-obtained weapons, which comprise 80% of violent gun crime.

Give me one valid reason you need a military grade assault rifle for personal use. It's absolutely military grade and can be made to fire rapidly legally.

I like how people say military grade like it makes something better or more scary. Military grade just means it was built for certain requirements and is made by the lowest bidder.

No military grade means the military will use it for armed conflict because it does a good job at killing.

KaptainKiro posted...

Lil69Leo posted...

Give me one valid reason you need a military grade assault rifle for personal use.

bill of rights not bill of needs

So you have no arguement.

Lil69Leo posted...

Yet every other country in the 1st world doesn't have this problem. I wonder why.

The Charlie Hebdo offices might disagree there as would anybody who went to a picnic with Anders Breivik, among other incidents.

Lil69Leo posted...

No military grade means the military will use it for armed conflict because it does a good job at killing.

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Lil69Leo posted...

Mauser posted...

Jen0125 posted...

mrduckbear posted...

He said "Gun laws right now are not achievable. My daughter was murdered by a gun. She should have been safe in school. I'm not saying don't go after gun laws. I'm not a gun expert, i'm saying that's the problem. School shootings always getting twisted into gun laws and gun control. If we all focus together, one nation, no political affiliation, we could work together and make schools safe again, and then we go fight it out"

yeah we can make schools safe again by enacting reasonable and sensible gun control

no shit sherlock

No you cant. There are thousands of laws. A few more will not work.

People need to stop being the flock and arm themselves and become wolves.

Yet every other country in the 1st world doesn't have this problem. I wonder why.

Actually they do. In fact, the US isn't even the worst when it comes to mass shootings and deaths by rate in mass shootings. And I am not talking about third world hell holes either.

https://crimeresearch.org/2015/06/comparing-death-rates-from-mass-public-shootings-in-the-us-and-europe/