Poll of the Day > What is an "Assault weapon" and why should we ban it?

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VioletZer0 02/25/18 3:00:31 PM #1:	After seeing a lot of misinformation surrounding "assault weapons" so I am making a thread to clarify a few things. First of all, what is an "assault weapon" compared a normal weapon? It means nothing. Absolutely nothing. The term "assault weapon" was made up by propagandists to make guns seem scarier than they actually are. You might think of the class of weapon "Assault Rifle." Believe it or not this name was also coined by propagandists to make a gun seem scary. But it is partially based on the translated name of the StG-44, "Sturmgewehr 44" a revolutionary rifle made in Nazi Germany and the name coined by the big man himself Adolf Hitler. The name meaning "Storm Rifle" or "Assault Rifle" in English. Informally the name "Assault Rifle" has been used to identify rifles that are designed around the intermediate cartridge. During World War 2, we used much larger cartridges for rifles than what are used today. But what was found after extensive study was that soldiers were fighting each other much closer than the range the rounds were designed for. What they found was that soldiers couldn't actually SEE as far as their effective range, let alone place precise shots. Thus, a rifle designed around a medium size cartridge was made. Thus allowing guns to be lighter, smaller, more complex, have lesser kick, etc. You might be thinking about the AR-15, an "assault rifle" many people are calling for a ban for. The AR-15, which stands for "Armalite Rifle 15" was designed specifically for modular capability. Its revolutionary design is why it is so enduring after all these years. It continues to be popular to this day due to the continuing advancements in the field of modification and attachments for guns. So you can "bling it out" so to speak ;p. The civilian model has a maximum rate of fire of 45 bullets per minute, requiring an individual trigger pull every shot, as machine guns are (mostly) outlawed. So you might be asking yourself. "Why in the world are civilians buying military grade weapons? Isn't that excessive?" Military grade weapons aren't "deadlier" than what civilians have. They just have different goals in mind. A military weapon has to contend with harsh conditions, supply lines, easy to dismantle and put back together, be relatively light, etc etc. Basically has to be designed around life in the military. Military weapons are made specifically to fight other militaries. While they can be used for terrorism, military weapons are not necessarily "Deadlier" in the case of a terror attack than a civilian's weapon. The typical shooter, which targets vulnerable installations such as schools or concerts, wants a weapon that they can conceal, easily operate and discharge as many rounds as possible. If they use the AR-15, it's usually because that's all they have. The AR-15 is quite a popular gun. An average handgun will do as much as damage, if not more. As evidenced by the Virginia Tech shooting, which used exclusively handguns. As for why we should ban them? I have no idea. You can buy a machine gun legally, but only guns that were made before the ban in 1986. Every one of the remaining legal machine guns are placed under close watch, are valuable collector's items and require a special license to own and operate. <cite>VioletZer0 posted [p:896746295] in What is an... [t:76356665]...</cite> <quote>After seeing a lot of misinformation surrounding "assault weapons" so I am making a thread to clarify a few things. First of all, what is an "assault weapon" compared a normal weapon? It means nothing. Absolutely nothing. The term "assault weapon" was made up by propagandists to make guns seem scarier than they actually are. You might think of the class of weapon "Assault Rifle." Believe it or not this name was also coined by propagandists to make a gun seem scary. But it is partially based on the translated name of the StG-44, "Sturmgewehr 44" a revolutionary rifle made in Nazi Germany and the name coined by the big man himself Adolf Hitler. The name meaning "Storm Rifle" or "Assault Rifle" in English. Informally the name "Assault Rifle" has been used to identify rifles that are designed around the intermediate cartridge. During World War 2, we used much larger cartridges for rifles than what are used today. But what was found after extensive study was that soldiers were fighting each other much closer than the range the rounds were designed for. What they found was that soldiers couldn't actually SEE as far as their effective range, let alone place precise shots. Thus, a rifle designed around a medium size cartridge was made. Thus allowing guns to be lighter, smaller, more complex, have lesser kick, etc. You might be thinking about the AR-15, an "assault rifle" many people are calling for a ban for. The AR-15, which stands for "Armalite Rifle 15" was designed specifically for modular capability. Its revolutionary design is why it is so enduring after all these years. It continues to be popular to this day due to the continuing advancements in the field of modification and attachments for guns. So you can "bling it out" so to speak ;p. The civilian model has a maximum rate of fire of 45 bullets per minute, requiring an individual trigger pull every shot, as machine guns are (mostly) outlawed. So you might be asking yourself. "Why in the world are civilians buying military grade weapons? Isn't that excessive?" Military grade weapons aren't "deadlier" than what civilians have. They just have different goals in mind. A military weapon has to contend with harsh conditions, supply lines, easy to dismantle and put back together, be relatively light, etc etc. Basically has to be designed around life in the military. Military weapons are made specifically to fight other militaries. While they can be used for terrorism, military weapons are not necessarily "Deadlier" in the case of a terror attack than a civilian's weapon. The typical shooter, which targets vulnerable installations such as schools or concerts, wants a weapon that they can conceal, easily operate and discharge as many rounds as possible. If they use the AR-15, it's usually because that's all they have. The AR-15 is quite a popular gun. An average handgun will do as much as damage, if not more. As evidenced by the Virginia Tech shooting, which used exclusively handguns. As for why we should ban them? I have no idea. You can buy a machine gun legally, but only guns that were made before the ban in 1986. Every one of the remaining legal machine guns are placed under close watch, are valuable collector's items and require a special license to own and operate.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 02/25/18 3:09:30 PM #2:	By definition, an Assault Weapon is a rifle (excludes SMGs and sidearms) designed for being used while wearing bodyarmour, as you don't have the flexibility needed for traditional rifles and need something with a longer stock, but shorter barrel. --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:896746755] in What is an... [t:76356665]...</cite> <quote>By definition, an Assault Weapon is a rifle (excludes SMGs and sidearms) designed for being used while wearing bodyarmour, as you don't have the flexibility needed for traditional rifles and need something with a longer stock, but shorter barrel.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SunWuKung420 02/25/18 3:10:19 PM #3:	"Your mom" jokes are assault weapons. @anti-helly am I right? --- I'm snotty because I prefer freshly cooked food that isn't full of fillers and/or preservatives.ha http://i.imgur.com/m8f7VYf.jpg http://i.imgur.com/0Lp7Agd.jpg <cite>SunWuKung420 posted [p:896746805] in What is an... [t:76356665]...</cite> <quote>"Your mom" jokes are assault weapons. @anti-helly am I right?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dainkinkaide 02/25/18 3:22:42 PM #4:	VioletZer0 posted... An average handgun will do as much as damage, if not more. As evidenced by the Virginia Tech shooting, which used exclusively handguns. Actually, no, it won't. As long as the bullets don't hit any major organs like the heart or brain, injuries from handgun rounds are generally pretty survivable, as long as the victim doesn't bleed out. The same definitely can't be said for rifle rounds. Does this mean that I believe that the United States should ban all rifles? No, that would be ridiculous. Should they at least make it a little more difficult for civilians to use rifles against large numbers of other civilians? Yes. --- Hank Pym changes superhero aliases more often than Hawkman changes origin stories. <cite>dainkinkaide posted [p:896747469] in What is an... [t:76356665]...</cite> <quote><cite>VioletZer0 posted...</cite> <quote>An average handgun will do as much as damage, if not more. As evidenced by the Virginia Tech shooting, which used exclusively handguns.</quote> Actually, no, it won't. As long as the bullets don't hit any major organs like the heart or brain, injuries from handgun rounds are generally pretty survivable, as long as the victim doesn't bleed out. The same definitely can't be said for rifle rounds. Does this mean that I believe that the United States should ban all rifles? No, that would be ridiculous. Should they at least make it a little more difficult for civilians to use rifles against large numbers of other civilians? Yes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cacciato 02/25/18 3:23:49 PM #5:	The only difference between the M4 I had in the army and the AR-15 I own now is the ability to burst fire. And seeing as how you will almost never fire your rifle on burst, theres practically no difference. As far as military grade is concerned, that isnt a sign of quality. Lokarin posted... By definition, an Assault Weapon is a rifle (excludes SMGs and sidearms) designed for being used while wearing bodyarmour, as you don't have the flexibility needed for traditional rifles and need something with a longer stock, but shorter barrel. What the fuck are you even talking about --- "I properly understand when a woman wants my dick and I can do whatever I want to them, and then do it." OmegaTomHank <cite>Cacciato posted [p:896747523] in What is an... [t:76356665]...</cite> <quote>The only difference between the M4 I had in the army and the AR-15 I own now is the ability to burst fire. And seeing as how you will almost never fire your rifle on burst, theres practically no difference. As far as military grade is concerned, that isnt a sign of quality. <cite>Lokarin posted...</cite> <quote>By definition, an Assault Weapon is a rifle (excludes SMGs and sidearms) designed for being used while wearing bodyarmour, as you don't have the flexibility needed for traditional rifles and need something with a longer stock, but shorter barrel.</quote> What the fuck are you even talking about</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 02/25/18 3:25:12 PM #6:	Cacciato posted... What the f* are you even talking about It's why the StG 44 was invented, although my rationality could be wrong --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:896747594] in What is an... [t:76356665]...</cite> <quote><cite>Cacciato posted...</cite> <quote>What the f* are you even talking about</quote> It's why the StG 44 was invented, although my rationality could be wrong</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VioletZer0 02/25/18 3:26:10 PM #7:	dainkinkaide posted... VioletZer0 posted... An average handgun will do as much as damage, if not more. As evidenced by the Virginia Tech shooting, which used exclusively handguns. Actually, no, it won't. As long as the bullets don't hit any major organs like the heart or brain, injuries from handgun rounds are generally pretty survivable, as long as the victim doesn't bleed out. The same definitely can't be said for rifle rounds. Does this mean that I believe that the United States should ban all rifles? No, that would be ridiculous. Should they at least make it a little more difficult for civilians to use rifles against large numbers of other civilians? Yes. Hello there hollywood myths. No, if a handgun bullet hits you you're in serious danger of dying no matter where it hits unless it's like...the toe or something. The shock of a bullet hitting you alone is enough to kill a person, then you're at serious risk of blood loss. <cite>VioletZer0 posted [p:896747642] in What is an... [t:76356665]...</cite> <quote><cite>dainkinkaide posted...</cite> <quote><cite>VioletZer0 posted...</cite> <quote>An average handgun will do as much as damage, if not more. As evidenced by the Virginia Tech shooting, which used exclusively handguns.</quote> Actually, no, it won't. As long as the bullets don't hit any major organs like the heart or brain, injuries from handgun rounds are generally pretty survivable, as long as the victim doesn't bleed out. The same definitely can't be said for rifle rounds. Does this mean that I believe that the United States should ban all rifles? No, that would be ridiculous. Should they at least make it a little more difficult for civilians to use rifles against large numbers of other civilians? Yes.</quote> Hello there hollywood myths. No, if a handgun bullet hits you you're in serious danger of dying no matter where it hits unless it's like...the toe or something. The shock of a bullet hitting you alone is enough to kill a person, then you're at serious risk of blood loss.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cacciato 02/25/18 3:27:45 PM #8:	VioletZer0 posted... dainkinkaide posted... VioletZer0 posted... An average handgun will do as much as damage, if not more. As evidenced by the Virginia Tech shooting, which used exclusively handguns. Actually, no, it won't. As long as the bullets don't hit any major organs like the heart or brain, injuries from handgun rounds are generally pretty survivable, as long as the victim doesn't bleed out. The same definitely can't be said for rifle rounds. Does this mean that I believe that the United States should ban all rifles? No, that would be ridiculous. Should they at least make it a little more difficult for civilians to use rifles against large numbers of other civilians? Yes. Hello there hollywood myths. No, if a handgun bullet hits you you're in serious danger of dying no matter where it hits unless it's like...the toe or something. The shock of a bullet hitting you alone is enough to kill a person, then you're at serious risk of blood loss. Im a fan of getting rid of the 2nd amendment just so I dont have to read stupid shit like this anymore. --- "I properly understand when a woman wants my dick and I can do whatever I want to them, and then do it." OmegaTomHank <cite>Cacciato posted [p:896747731] in What is an... [t:76356665]...</cite> <quote><cite>VioletZer0 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>dainkinkaide posted...</cite> <quote><cite>VioletZer0 posted...</cite> <quote>An average handgun will do as much as damage, if not more. As evidenced by the Virginia Tech shooting, which used exclusively handguns.</quote> Actually, no, it won't. As long as the bullets don't hit any major organs like the heart or brain, injuries from handgun rounds are generally pretty survivable, as long as the victim doesn't bleed out. The same definitely can't be said for rifle rounds. Does this mean that I believe that the United States should ban all rifles? No, that would be ridiculous. Should they at least make it a little more difficult for civilians to use rifles against large numbers of other civilians? Yes.</quote> Hello there hollywood myths. No, if a handgun bullet hits you you're in serious danger of dying no matter where it hits unless it's like...the toe or something. The shock of a bullet hitting you alone is enough to kill a person, then you're at serious risk of blood loss.</quote> Im a fan of getting rid of the 2nd amendment just so I dont have to read stupid shit like this anymore.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VioletZer0 02/25/18 3:30:08 PM #9:	Here's what happens to your internal organs when a bullet hits you: <cite>VioletZer0 posted [p:896747858] in What is an... [t:76356665]...</cite> <quote>Here's what happens to your internal organs when a bullet hits you: </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dainkinkaide 02/25/18 3:33:17 PM #10:	VioletZer0 posted... Hello there hollywood myths. No, if a handgun bullet hits you you're in serious danger of dying no matter where it hits unless it's like...the toe or something. The shock of a bullet hitting you alone is enough to kill a person, then you're at serious risk of blood loss. Here, educate yourself: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/02/what-i-saw-treating-the-victims-from-parkland-should-change-the-debate-on-guns/553937/ Yeah, that's an actual medical professional (specifically a radiologist, whose job it is to study medical imaging to determine the extent of internal injuries) talking about how injuries caused by handgun rounds are significantly different from injuries caused by rifle rounds. --- Hank Pym changes superhero aliases more often than Hawkman changes origin stories. <cite>dainkinkaide posted [p:896748032] in What is an... [t:76356665]...</cite> <quote><cite>VioletZer0 posted...</cite> <quote>Hello there hollywood myths. No, if a handgun bullet hits you you're in serious danger of dying no matter where it hits unless it's like...the toe or something. The shock of a bullet hitting you alone is enough to kill a person, then you're at serious risk of blood loss.</quote> Here, educate yourself: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/02/what-i-saw-treating-the-victims-from-parkland-should-change-the-debate-on-guns/553937/ Yeah, that's an actual medical professional (specifically a radiologist, whose job it is to study medical imaging to determine the extent of internal injuries) talking about how injuries caused by handgun rounds are significantly different from injuries caused by rifle rounds.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VioletZer0 02/25/18 3:39:38 PM #11:	I find that article suspect because the 9mm hits really hard too because its incredibly high velocity. <cite>VioletZer0 posted [p:896748280] in What is an... [t:76356665]...</cite> <quote>I find that article suspect because the 9mm hits really hard too because its incredibly high velocity.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dainkinkaide 02/25/18 3:49:59 PM #12:	Sure, don't trust the actual medical professional whose job requires him to see multiple internal injuries and just keep going with your gut feeling. That seems like the rational course of action. --- Hank Pym changes superhero aliases more often than Hawkman changes origin stories. <cite>dainkinkaide posted [p:896748892] in What is an... [t:76356665]...</cite> <quote>Sure, don't trust the actual medical professional whose job requires him to see multiple internal injuries and just keep going with your gut feeling. That seems like the rational course of action.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cacciato 02/25/18 3:54:13 PM #13:	dainkinkaide posted... Sure, don't trust the actual medical professional whose job requires him to see multiple internal injuries and just keep going with your gut feeling. That seems like the rational course of action. TC hasnt posted here in a while. I forgot this is kinda their gimmick. --- "I properly understand when a woman wants my dick and I can do whatever I want to them, and then do it." OmegaTomHank <cite>Cacciato posted [p:896749118] in What is an... [t:76356665]...</cite> <quote><cite>dainkinkaide posted...</cite> <quote>Sure, don't trust the actual medical professional whose job requires him to see multiple internal injuries and just keep going with your gut feeling. That seems like the rational course of action.</quote> TC hasnt posted here in a while. I forgot this is kinda their gimmick.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XlaxJynx007 02/25/18 4:10:07 PM #14:	VioletZer0 posted... I find that article suspect because the 9mm hits really hard too because its incredibly high velocity. "Incredibly high velocity" 9mm is typically ~1100 fps, which is right around the speed of sound 5.56/.223 (The round that the usual AR uses) is ~3000 fps and it's still a shitty rifle round Handguns are inferior to rifles energy-wise --- XB1: MrMegaNutz Steam: Kennetic <cite>XlaxJynx007 posted [p:896749892] in What is an... [t:76356665]...</cite> <quote><cite>VioletZer0 posted...</cite> <quote>I find that article suspect because the 9mm hits really hard too because its incredibly high velocity.</quote> "Incredibly high velocity" 9mm is typically ~1100 fps, which is right around the speed of sound 5.56/.223 (The round that the usual AR uses) is ~3000 fps and it's still a shitty rifle round Handguns are inferior to rifles energy-wise</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 02/25/18 4:13:16 PM #15:	A gun with seasoning on it --- If they drag you through the mud, it doesnt change whats in your blood <cite>Mead posted [p:896750049] in What is an... [t:76356665]...</cite> <quote>A gun with seasoning on it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VioletZer0 02/25/18 4:24:36 PM #16:	XlaxJynx007 posted... VioletZer0 posted... I find that article suspect because the 9mm hits really hard too because its incredibly high velocity. "Incredibly high velocity" 9mm is typically ~1100 fps, which is right around the speed of sound 5.56/.223 (The round that the usual AR uses) is ~3000 fps and it's still a shitty rifle round Handguns are inferior to rifles energy-wise Inferior yeah but it hits harder than the .45 ACP and I know for a fact that is lethal af <cite>VioletZer0 posted [p:896750629] in What is an... [t:76356665]...</cite> <quote><cite>XlaxJynx007 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>VioletZer0 posted...</cite> <quote>I find that article suspect because the 9mm hits really hard too because its incredibly high velocity.</quote> "Incredibly high velocity" 9mm is typically ~1100 fps, which is right around the speed of sound 5.56/.223 (The round that the usual AR uses) is ~3000 fps and it's still a shitty rifle round Handguns are inferior to rifles energy-wise</quote> Inferior yeah but it hits harder than the .45 ACP and I know for a fact that is lethal af</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ranzoh 02/25/18 4:32:14 PM #17:	The rifle would tear some stuff up while the handgun would take some effort to penetrate through. But I hear the handgun, especially with 9mm or below hollow points or a .45 can stop a man because of the force of the bullets expanding upon contact. A rifle would not stop a man from chasing after you still provided the man is hit in non-fatal areas. This is what I remember from firearm forums. I don't go there anymore though, and I'm no expert at guns and physics and its tests on jello since it's all been awhile. <cite>Ranzoh posted [p:896751051] in What is an... [t:76356665]...</cite> <quote>The rifle would tear some stuff up while the handgun would take some effort to penetrate through. But I hear the handgun, especially with 9mm or below hollow points or a .45 can stop a man because of the force of the bullets expanding upon contact. A rifle would not stop a man from chasing after you still provided the man is hit in non-fatal areas. This is what I remember from firearm forums. I don't go there anymore though, and I'm no expert at guns and physics and its tests on jello since it's all been awhile.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XlaxJynx007 02/25/18 4:35:25 PM #18:	VioletZer0 posted... XlaxJynx007 posted... VioletZer0 posted... I find that article suspect because the 9mm hits really hard too because its incredibly high velocity. "Incredibly high velocity" 9mm is typically ~1100 fps, which is right around the speed of sound 5.56/.223 (The round that the usual AR uses) is ~3000 fps and it's still a shitty rifle round Handguns are inferior to rifles energy-wise Inferior yeah but it hits harder than the .45 ACP and I know for a fact that is lethal af 9mm does not have more energy than 45 ACP --- XB1: MrMegaNutz Steam: Kennetic <cite>XlaxJynx007 posted [p:896751228] in What is an... [t:76356665]...</cite> <quote><cite>VioletZer0 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>XlaxJynx007 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>VioletZer0 posted...</cite> <quote>I find that article suspect because the 9mm hits really hard too because its incredibly high velocity.</quote> "Incredibly high velocity" 9mm is typically ~1100 fps, which is right around the speed of sound 5.56/.223 (The round that the usual AR uses) is ~3000 fps and it's still a shitty rifle round Handguns are inferior to rifles energy-wise</quote> Inferior yeah but it hits harder than the .45 ACP and I know for a fact that is lethal af</quote> 9mm does not have more energy than 45 ACP</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 02/25/18 4:38:04 PM #19:	VioletZer0 posted... Inferior yeah but it hits harder than the .45 ACP 45ACP is significantly heavier while only mildly slower. --- Scloud posted... Its like he wants two things at the same time. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:896751376] in What is an... [t:76356665]...</cite> <quote><cite>VioletZer0 posted...</cite> <quote>Inferior yeah but it hits harder than the .45 ACP</quote> 45ACP is significantly heavier while only mildly slower.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VioletZer0 02/25/18 5:27:30 PM #20:	last I checked 9mm had more than twice as much muzzle velocity. idk maybe I'm wrong <cite>VioletZer0 posted [p:896753875] in What is an... [t:76356665]...</cite> <quote>last I checked 9mm had more than twice as much muzzle velocity. idk maybe I'm wrong</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 02/25/18 5:30:41 PM #21:	I gave a historically accurate answer and I'm the only one getting called out on misinformation --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:896754031] in What is an... [t:76356665]...</cite> <quote>I gave a historically accurate answer and I'm the only one getting called out on misinformation</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VioletZer0 02/25/18 5:33:37 PM #22:	Wait so am I o.o I disagree but still <cite>VioletZer0 posted [p:896754176] in What is an... [t:76356665]...</cite> <quote>Wait so am I o.o I disagree but still</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 02/25/18 5:36:25 PM #23:	Idk, I'm just saying stuff - my tummy hurts --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:896754315] in What is an... [t:76356665]...</cite> <quote>Idk, I'm just saying stuff - my tummy hurts</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rasmoh 02/25/18 5:41:42 PM #24:	dainkinkaide posted... Sure, don't trust the actual medical professional whose job requires him to see multiple internal injuries and just keep going with your gut feeling. That seems like the rational course of action. No less rational than taking an article written by someone with an obvious extreme anti-gun slant as the gospel truth. And really, to call handgun wounds "pretty survivable" when handguns cause the most gun deaths is kinda silly. --- Miami Dolphins \| Portland Trailblazers \| San Francisco Giants I won't say a thing, because the one who knows best is you. <cite>Rasmoh posted [p:896754603] in What is an... [t:76356665]...</cite> <quote><cite>dainkinkaide posted...</cite> <quote>Sure, don't trust the actual medical professional whose job requires him to see multiple internal injuries and just keep going with your gut feeling. That seems like the rational course of action.</quote> No less rational than taking an article written by someone with an obvious extreme anti-gun slant as the gospel truth. And really, to call handgun wounds "pretty survivable" when handguns cause the most gun deaths is kinda silly.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VioletZer0 02/25/18 5:46:53 PM #25:	Rasmoh posted... dainkinkaide posted... Sure, don't trust the actual medical professional whose job requires him to see multiple internal injuries and just keep going with your gut feeling. That seems like the rational course of action. No less rational than taking an article written by someone with an obvious extreme anti-gun slant as the gospel truth. And really, to call handgun wounds "pretty survivable" when handguns cause the most gun deaths is kinda silly. Yeah it seems rather odd because I know that rubber bullets kill people and it definitely does not hit as hard as a 9mm bullet. <cite>VioletZer0 posted [p:896754863] in What is an... [t:76356665]...</cite> <quote><cite>Rasmoh posted...</cite> <quote><cite>dainkinkaide posted...</cite> <quote>Sure, don't trust the actual medical professional whose job requires him to see multiple internal injuries and just keep going with your gut feeling. That seems like the rational course of action.</quote> No less rational than taking an article written by someone with an obvious extreme anti-gun slant as the gospel truth. And really, to call handgun wounds "pretty survivable" when handguns cause the most gun deaths is kinda silly.</quote> Yeah it seems rather odd because I know that rubber bullets kill people and it definitely does not hit as hard as a 9mm bullet.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cacciato 02/25/18 5:49:51 PM #26:	Rasmoh posted... And really, to call handgun wounds "pretty survivable" when handguns cause the most gun deaths is kinda silly. Golly, I wonder if there could be any other reason that handguns cause the most gun deaths. --- "I properly understand when a woman wants my dick and I can do whatever I want to them, and then do it." OmegaTomHank <cite>Cacciato posted [p:896754983] in What is an... [t:76356665]...</cite> <quote><cite>Rasmoh posted...</cite> <quote>And really, to call handgun wounds "pretty survivable" when handguns cause the most gun deaths is kinda silly.</quote> Golly, I wonder if there could be any other reason that handguns cause the most gun deaths.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 02/25/18 5:53:07 PM #27:	VioletZer0 posted... As for why we should ban them? I have no idea. Your reason for owning them is to fight the government which is hilarious. For collection is a better argument and you're supposed to modify them anyway by law so they can't be fired. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:896755139] in What is an... [t:76356665]...</cite> <quote><cite>VioletZer0 posted...</cite> <quote>As for why we should ban them? I have no idea. </quote> Your reason for owning them is to fight the government which is hilarious. For collection is a better argument and you're supposed to modify them anyway by law so they can't be fired.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rasmoh 02/25/18 6:01:59 PM #28:	Revelation34 posted... Your reason for owning them is to fight the government which is hilarious Why? --- Miami Dolphins \| Portland Trailblazers \| San Francisco Giants I won't say a thing, because the one who knows best is you. <cite>Rasmoh posted [p:896755594] in What is an... [t:76356665]...</cite> <quote><cite>Revelation34 posted...</cite> <quote>Your reason for owning them is to fight the government which is hilarious</quote> Why?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 02/25/18 6:03:08 PM #29:	Rasmoh posted... Revelation34 posted... Your reason for owning them is to fight the government which is hilarious Why? Well, you're a democracy - and they're being used against your neighbours... so it checks out? --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:896755645] in What is an... [t:76356665]...</cite> <quote><cite>Rasmoh posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Revelation34 posted...</cite> <quote>Your reason for owning them is to fight the government which is hilarious</quote> Why?</quote> Well, you're a democracy - and they're being used against your neighbours... so it checks out?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rasmoh 02/25/18 6:04:17 PM #30:	Cacciato posted... Golly, I wonder if there could be any other reason that handguns cause the most gun deaths. I know why handguns cause more deaths, but to act like handgun wounds are "very survivable" is silly. Lokarin posted... Well, you're a democracy - and they're being used against your neighbours... so it checks out? ? --- Miami Dolphins \| Portland Trailblazers \| San Francisco Giants I won't say a thing, because the one who knows best is you. <cite>Rasmoh posted [p:896755691] in What is an... [t:76356665]...</cite> <quote><cite>Cacciato posted...</cite> <quote>Golly, I wonder if there could be any other reason that handguns cause the most gun deaths.</quote> I know why handguns cause more deaths, but to act like handgun wounds are "very survivable" is silly. <cite>Lokarin posted...</cite> <quote>Well, you're a democracy - and they're being used against your neighbours... so it checks out?</quote> ?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
shadowsword87 02/25/18 6:07:21 PM #31:	Welcome back Violet... I guess. --- ImmortalityV, "I would like to kiss Icoyar to be honest in a non gay way though" <cite>shadowsword87 posted [p:896755829] in What is an... [t:76356665]...</cite> <quote>Welcome back Violet... I guess.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sahuagin 02/25/18 6:17:24 PM #32:	VioletZer0 posted... Hello there hollywood myths. No, if a handgun bullet hits you you're in serious danger of dying no matter where it hits unless it's like...the toe or something. The shock of a bullet hitting you alone is enough to kill a person, then you're at serious risk of blood loss. it's supposed to depend on the caliber. for example, the primary issue with the 1986 FBI shootout was supposed to be largely that they were issued low caliber weapons, with only a handful of rounds. this led to wide-scale changes in the kinds of firearms that were issued to law enforcement. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_FBI_Miami_shootout The incident is infamous in FBI history and is well-studied in law enforcement circles. Despite outnumbering the suspects 4 to 1, the agents found themselves pinned down by suppressive rifle fire and unable to respond effectively. Although both Matix and Platt were hit multiple times during the shootout, Platt fought on and continued to wound and kill agents. This incident led to the introduction of more effective handguns in the FBI and many police departments around the United States. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04dUCT-qO3c --- *The truth basks in scrutiny.* http://i.imgur.com/GMouTGs.jpg http://projecteuler.net/profile/Sahuagin.png <cite>Sahuagin posted [p:896756331] in What is an... [t:76356665]...</cite> <quote><cite>VioletZer0 posted...</cite> <quote>Hello there hollywood myths. No, if a handgun bullet hits you you're in serious danger of dying no matter where it hits unless it's like...the toe or something. The shock of a bullet hitting you alone is enough to kill a person, then you're at serious risk of blood loss.</quote> it's supposed to depend on the caliber. for example, the primary issue with the 1986 FBI shootout was supposed to be largely that they were issued low caliber weapons, with only a handful of rounds. this led to wide-scale changes in the kinds of firearms that were issued to law enforcement. <cite>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_FBI_Miami_shootout</cite> <quote>The incident is infamous in FBI history and is well-studied in law enforcement circles. Despite outnumbering the suspects 4 to 1, the agents found themselves pinned down by suppressive rifle fire and unable to respond effectively. Although both Matix and Platt were hit multiple times during the shootout, Platt fought on and continued to wound and kill agents. This incident led to the introduction of more effective handguns in the FBI and many police departments around the United States.</quote> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04dUCT-qO3c</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VioletZer0 02/25/18 6:31:20 PM #33:	Rasmoh posted... Revelation34 posted... Your reason for owning them is to fight the government which is hilarious Why? Yeah, why? Believe it or not insurgents are at a great advantage when owning a gun is a constitutional right. <cite>VioletZer0 posted [p:896756992] in What is an... [t:76356665]...</cite> <quote><cite>Rasmoh posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Revelation34 posted...</cite> <quote>Your reason for owning them is to fight the government which is hilarious</quote> Why?</quote> Yeah, why? Believe it or not insurgents are at a great advantage when owning a gun is a constitutional right.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dainkinkaide 02/25/18 6:49:01 PM #34:	Rasmoh posted... I know why handguns cause more deaths, but to act like handgun wounds are "very survivable" is silly. First of all, I said "generally pretty survivable", not "very survivable". Secondly, I included the caveat that the victim was not hit in a vital organ and did not bleed out. My point was that if the gunshot victim survives long enough to to receive medical treatment, their chances of surviving are significantly higher if they were shot with a handgun than they are if they were shot with a rifle, so kindly cease misrepresenting my argument. --- Hank Pym changes superhero aliases more often than Hawkman changes origin stories. <cite>dainkinkaide posted [p:896757842] in What is an... [t:76356665]...</cite> <quote><cite>Rasmoh posted...</cite> <quote>I know why handguns cause more deaths, but to act like handgun wounds are "very survivable" is silly.</quote> First of all, I said "generally pretty survivable", not "very survivable". Secondly, I included the caveat that the victim was not hit in a vital organ and did not bleed out. My point was that if the gunshot victim survives long enough to to receive medical treatment, their chances of surviving are significantly higher if they were shot with a handgun than they are if they were shot with a rifle, so kindly cease misrepresenting my argument.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XlaxJynx007 02/25/18 6:57:09 PM #35:	VioletZer0 posted... last I checked 9mm had more than twice as much muzzle velocity. idk maybe I'm wrong You're way wrong. 9mm muzzle velocity is ~1100fps and 45 ACP is ~900fps --- XB1: MrMegaNutz Steam: Kennetic <cite>XlaxJynx007 posted [p:896758266] in What is an... [t:76356665]...</cite> <quote><cite>VioletZer0 posted...</cite> <quote>last I checked 9mm had more than twice as much muzzle velocity. idk maybe I'm wrong</quote> You're way wrong. 9mm muzzle velocity is ~1100fps and 45 ACP is ~900fps</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 02/25/18 6:57:43 PM #36:	XlaxJynx007 posted... VioletZer0 posted... last I checked 9mm had more than twice as much muzzle velocity. idk maybe I'm wrong You're way wrong. 9mm muzzle velocity is ~1100fps and 45 ACP is ~900fps Umm, doesn't the grain count matter? --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:896758291] in What is an... [t:76356665]...</cite> <quote><cite>XlaxJynx007 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>VioletZer0 posted...</cite> <quote>last I checked 9mm had more than twice as much muzzle velocity. idk maybe I'm wrong</quote> You're way wrong. 9mm muzzle velocity is ~1100fps and 45 ACP is ~900fps</quote> Umm, doesn't the grain count matter?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XlaxJynx007 02/25/18 6:59:28 PM #37:	Lokarin posted... XlaxJynx007 posted... VioletZer0 posted... last I checked 9mm had more than twice as much muzzle velocity. idk maybe I'm wrong You're way wrong. 9mm muzzle velocity is ~1100fps and 45 ACP is ~900fps Umm, doesn't the grain count matter? Yes it does. A 230gr 45 going 900fps has more energy than a 124gr 9mm going 1100fps. I was correcting Violet's claim that 9mm has more than double the MV of 45 --- XB1: MrMegaNutz Steam: Kennetic <cite>XlaxJynx007 posted [p:896758370] in What is an... [t:76356665]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lokarin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>XlaxJynx007 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>VioletZer0 posted...</cite> <quote>last I checked 9mm had more than twice as much muzzle velocity. idk maybe I'm wrong</quote> You're way wrong. 9mm muzzle velocity is ~1100fps and 45 ACP is ~900fps</quote> Umm, doesn't the grain count matter?</quote> Yes it does. A 230gr 45 going 900fps has more energy than a 124gr 9mm going 1100fps. I was correcting Violet's claim that 9mm has more than double the MV of 45</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 02/25/18 7:03:07 PM #38:	I would think longer barrels also increase MV, as the blast has more contact duration or whatever the technical term is. --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:896758543] in What is an... [t:76356665]...</cite> <quote>I would think longer barrels also increase MV, as the blast has more contact duration or whatever the technical term is.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XlaxJynx007 02/25/18 7:05:37 PM #39:	Lokarin posted... I would think longer barrels also increase MV, as the blast has more contact duration or whatever the technical term is. That is also correct, although there is obviously a point where the barrel is too long --- XB1: MrMegaNutz Steam: Kennetic <cite>XlaxJynx007 posted [p:896758673] in What is an... [t:76356665]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lokarin posted...</cite> <quote>I would think longer barrels also increase MV, as the blast has more contact duration or whatever the technical term is.</quote> That is also correct, although there is obviously a point where the barrel is too long</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 02/26/18 12:40:41 AM #40:	Rasmoh posted... Why? Because only somebody who's paranoid and enjoys wearing tin foil hats would say something like that. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:896778379] in What is an... [t:76356665]...</cite> <quote><cite>Rasmoh posted...</cite> <quote>Why?</quote> Because only somebody who's paranoid and enjoys wearing tin foil hats would say something like that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
anti-helly 02/26/18 12:46:54 AM #41:	SunWuKung420 posted... "Your mom" jokes are assault weapons. @anti-helly am I right? dude what --- and maybe if it's not enough someone else will take the crown if ever i leave <cite>anti-helly posted [p:896778617] in What is an... [t:76356665]...</cite> <quote><cite>SunWuKung420 posted...</cite> <quote>"Your mom" jokes are assault weapons. @anti-helly am I right?</quote> dude what</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
vhiran 02/26/18 12:51:20 AM #42:	better question is HOW would you ban them... you cant. the USA isn't britain. millions of guns floating around both urban and rural communities people spent hard earned $$$ and won't give them up because some dipshit shot up a bunch of gays in a night club or a bunch of kids at a school. its a big country and those events have nothing to do with 99% of gun owners. Also the criminals by definition break the law, so a ban would mean nothing to them. it's a pipe dream. Anyway liberal thinking on this just reveals their dumbassery. it goes republican president is sliding us towards tyranny we should surrender our weapons to him ???? --- inventor of the CHILL raid run. <cite>vhiran posted [p:896778765] in What is an... [t:76356665]...</cite> <quote>better question is HOW would you ban them... you cant. the USA isn't britain. millions of guns floating around both urban and rural communities people spent hard earned $$$ and won't give them up because some dipshit shot up a bunch of gays in a night club or a bunch of kids at a school. its a big country and those events have nothing to do with 99% of gun owners. Also the criminals by definition break the law, so a ban would mean nothing to them. it's a pipe dream. Anyway liberal thinking on this just reveals their dumbassery. it goes <quote>republican president is sliding us towards tyranny we should surrender our weapons to him ????</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rasmoh 02/26/18 12:53:04 AM #43:	Revelation34 posted... Because only somebody who's paranoid and enjoys wearing tin foil hats would say something like that. I'm not sure I understand. Is the thought that a government could become tyrannical some sort of tinfoil hat conspiracy? --- Miami Dolphins \| Portland Trailblazers \| San Francisco Giants I won't say a thing, because the one who knows best is you. <cite>Rasmoh posted [p:896778828] in What is an... [t:76356665]...</cite> <quote><cite>Revelation34 posted...</cite> <quote>Because only somebody who's paranoid and enjoys wearing tin foil hats would say something like that.</quote> I'm not sure I understand. Is the thought that a government could become tyrannical some sort of tinfoil hat conspiracy?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
vhiran 02/26/18 12:55:50 AM #44:	Rasmoh posted... Revelation34 posted... Because only somebody who's paranoid and enjoys wearing tin foil hats would say something like that. I'm not sure I understand. Is the thought that a government could become tyrannical some sort of tinfoil hat conspiracy? i see this a lot and mostly people are referring to the idea that you could protect yourself from the government... which is generally true. if the govt wants you dead you're dead, guns or no. unless you flee to russia snowden style i guess. of course, that doesnt mean the answer is to just give them up... unless you're a suburban liberal dumbass who by definition already surrendered your critical thinking skills. --- inventor of the CHILL raid run. <cite>vhiran posted [p:896778945] in What is an... [t:76356665]...</cite> <quote><cite>Rasmoh posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Revelation34 posted...</cite> <quote>Because only somebody who's paranoid and enjoys wearing tin foil hats would say something like that.</quote> I'm not sure I understand. Is the thought that a government could become tyrannical some sort of tinfoil hat conspiracy?</quote> i see this a lot and mostly people are referring to the idea that you could protect yourself from the government... which is generally true. if the govt wants you dead you're dead, guns or no. unless you flee to russia snowden style i guess. of course, that doesnt mean the answer is to just give them up... unless you're a suburban liberal dumbass who by definition already surrendered your critical thinking skills.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rasmoh 02/26/18 1:01:50 AM #45:	vhiran posted... if the govt wants you dead you're dead, guns or no. This is true, but typically tyrants want to control people, not just exterminate them. Ruling over a ruined wasteland of corpses isn't something regimes usually strive for. --- Miami Dolphins \| Portland Trailblazers \| San Francisco Giants I won't say a thing, because the one who knows best is you. <cite>Rasmoh posted [p:896779162] in What is an... [t:76356665]...</cite> <quote><cite>vhiran posted...</cite> <quote>if the govt wants you dead you're dead, guns or no.</quote> This is true, but typically tyrants want to control people, not just exterminate them. Ruling over a ruined wasteland of corpses isn't something regimes usually strive for.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 02/26/18 1:02:58 AM #46:	Rasmoh posted... I'm not sure I understand. Is the thought that a government could become tyrannical some sort of tinfoil hat conspiracy? Anybody who thinks they need an assault weapon for that reason is clearly batshit insane. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:896779204] in What is an... [t:76356665]...</cite> <quote><cite>Rasmoh posted...</cite> <quote>I'm not sure I understand. Is the thought that a government could become tyrannical some sort of tinfoil hat conspiracy?</quote> Anybody who thinks they need an assault weapon for that reason is clearly batshit insane.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rasmoh 02/26/18 1:03:26 AM #47:	Revelation34 posted... Anybody who thinks they need an assault weapon for that reason is clearly batshit insane. Why? --- Miami Dolphins \| Portland Trailblazers \| San Francisco Giants I won't say a thing, because the one who knows best is you. <cite>Rasmoh posted [p:896779222] in What is an... [t:76356665]...</cite> <quote><cite>Revelation34 posted...</cite> <quote>Anybody who thinks they need an assault weapon for that reason is clearly batshit insane.</quote> Why?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 02/26/18 1:08:11 AM #48:	Rasmoh posted... Revelation34 posted... Anybody who thinks they need an assault weapon for that reason is clearly batshit insane. Why? Oh you're trolling. Didn't realize it after the first post. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:896779364] in What is an... [t:76356665]...</cite> <quote><cite>Rasmoh posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Revelation34 posted...</cite> <quote>Anybody who thinks they need an assault weapon for that reason is clearly batshit insane.</quote> Why?</quote> Oh you're trolling. Didn't realize it after the first post.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rasmoh 02/26/18 1:09:33 AM #49:	Revelation34 posted... Oh you're trolling. Didn't realize it after the first post. I'm not, you just literally have done nothing except say "People who think this are crazy!" while providing nothing to back that statement. --- Miami Dolphins \| Portland Trailblazers \| San Francisco Giants I won't say a thing, because the one who knows best is you. <cite>Rasmoh posted [p:896779414] in What is an... [t:76356665]...</cite> <quote><cite>Revelation34 posted...</cite> <quote>Oh you're trolling. Didn't realize it after the first post.</quote> I'm not, you just literally have done nothing except say "People who think this are crazy!" while providing nothing to back that statement.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
anti-helly 02/26/18 1:21:57 AM #50:	just fyi this is what this dude is tagged as --- and maybe if it's not enough someone else will take the crown if ever i leave <cite>anti-helly posted [p:896779899] in What is an... [t:76356665]...</cite> <quote>just fyi this is what this dude is tagged as</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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