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ChainedRedone
02/23/18 2:59:15 AM
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frozenshock posted...
Update

Accused in pit bull mauling case presents no defence, witnesses
Karim Jean Gilles, accused of criminal negligence causing injury in connection with the mauling by a pit bull of a child, has decided not to testify.
http://montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/accused-in-pit-bull-mauling-case-presents-no-defence-witnesses


Not testifying isn't a lack of defense. But his actual defense is rather bad. He deserves some punishment for sure.-Gavirulax- posted...
His two animals have been euthanized.

Sigh.


Yeah let's let them roam around some more.
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HeyPuff
02/23/18 3:11:58 AM
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voldothegr8 posted...
Romulox28 posted...
time to wait for the pitbull defense force to come in here and explain how these ultra muscular dogs who are bred for aggression & constitute the majority of dog attacks in the US are actually just big cuddlebugs and it's the owners that are evil and mean

It's like they pretend there aren't shitty owners for every breed.


Holy fuck are some people stupid.

Reading through this topic...a lot of you are stupid lol
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iClockwork
02/23/18 3:22:37 AM
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Euthanize the dogs and give the man life.

Fair, next...
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Zeeak4444
02/23/18 3:27:33 AM
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voldothegr8 posted...
MrK3V posted...
voldothegr8 posted...
KStateKing17 posted...
On one hand I want to say this is fair, but 10 years is a lot for this incident.

I'm fine with making an example out of people who voluntarily choose to own vicious beasts.


lmao you're funny

Nothing funny about people getting seriously injured or killed by these vicious animals, all because many people refuse to acknowledge or straight up ignore how dangerous they really are.


The irony of this coming out of a "no gun regulation whatsoever" person.
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Akagami_Shanks
02/23/18 3:31:35 AM
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Such an adorable little girl
Lock this man up, and euthanize all of his pets.

If I see a dog charging me, it's catching these hands, real shit. Since I've adopted that philosophy, theres been a lot less dogs barking at me so I guess they can sense it lol.
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yusiko
02/23/18 4:03:21 AM
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its the owners fault for raising the dogs poorly
pitbulls can be friendly with the right owner

but if they do attack they are the breed that are most likely to do lethal damage.
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Funbazooka
02/23/18 4:06:10 AM
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Shouldn't they be putting the pit bull on trial
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YOUHAVENOHOPE
02/23/18 4:06:30 AM
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spincr posted...
Anyone who clearly can't be allowed to have sweet cuddly dogs or cats should be sterilized themselves. 10 Years is a nice start though.

good fucking lord how is this post not modded wtffffff
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MaverickXeo
02/23/18 4:19:30 AM
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-Gavirulax- posted...
Romulox28 posted...
time to wait for the pitbull defense force to come in here and explain how these ultra muscular dogs who are bred for aggression & constitute the majority of dog attacks in the US are actually just big cuddlebugs and it's the owners that are evil and mean


That's exactly right.

I've owned plenty of English Staffies (which are often called "pitbulls"), they've always been extremely friendly and loving. It is entirely on the owner. In terms of public opinion like that, it's ignorance.


It is NOT entirely on the owner. It is nature vs nurture... the dogs are naturally aggressive and powerful, but they can also be raised to be "nicer". They are predisposed to be violent... disagreeing with that is faulty logic.

Simply put, they ARE violent and deadly dogs.
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Cal12
02/23/18 4:26:07 AM
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MaverickXeo posted...
-Gavirulax- posted...
Romulox28 posted...
time to wait for the pitbull defense force to come in here and explain how these ultra muscular dogs who are bred for aggression & constitute the majority of dog attacks in the US are actually just big cuddlebugs and it's the owners that are evil and mean


That's exactly right.

I've owned plenty of English Staffies (which are often called "pitbulls"), they've always been extremely friendly and loving. It is entirely on the owner. In terms of public opinion like that, it's ignorance.


It is NOT entirely on the owner. It is nature vs nurture... the dogs are naturally aggressive and powerful, but they can also be raised to be "nicer". They are predisposed to be violent... disagreeing with that is faulty logic.

Simply put, they ARE violent and deadly dogs.


This right here tells me you have never been near properly bred and raised pit bulls, let alone ever owned one. They regularly rank either 1 or 2 in training and temperament testing right up alongside the golden retriever. There are literally millions of these dogs in the US that never do anything like this small handful yet people like yourself and the person saying they should all be euthanized never acknowledge that. Instead, you spout hyperbole saying they are violent and deadly dogs or ticking time bombs like someone else stated, which for the far vast majority of this breed is the farthest thing from the truth.

How in the world can you consider yourself a free thinking human if you cant objectively see how backwards that is?
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MaverickXeo
02/23/18 4:29:09 AM
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Cal12 posted...
MaverickXeo posted...
-Gavirulax- posted...
Romulox28 posted...
time to wait for the pitbull defense force to come in here and explain how these ultra muscular dogs who are bred for aggression & constitute the majority of dog attacks in the US are actually just big cuddlebugs and it's the owners that are evil and mean


That's exactly right.

I've owned plenty of English Staffies (which are often called "pitbulls"), they've always been extremely friendly and loving. It is entirely on the owner. In terms of public opinion like that, it's ignorance.


It is NOT entirely on the owner. It is nature vs nurture... the dogs are naturally aggressive and powerful, but they can also be raised to be "nicer". They are predisposed to be violent... disagreeing with that is faulty logic.

Simply put, they ARE violent and deadly dogs.


This right here tells me you have never been near properly bred and raised pit bulls, let alone ever owned one. They regularly rank either 1 or 2 in training and temperament testing right up alongside the golden retriever. There are literally millions of these dogs in the US that never do anything like this small handful yet people like yourself and the person saying they should all be euthanized never acknowledge that. Instead, you spout hyperbole saying they are violent and deadly dogs or ticking time bombs like someone else stated, which for the far vast majority of this breed is the farthest thing from the truth.

How in the world can you consider yourself a free thinking human if you cant objectively see how backwards that is?


...They were bred for violence. How can you not understand your dogs' history?

Todays pit bull is a descendant of the original English bull-baiting doga dog that was bred to bite and hold bulls, bears and other large animals around the face and head. When baiting large animals was outlawed in the 1800s, people turned instead to fighting their dogs against each other. These larger, slower bull-baiting dogs were crossed with smaller, quicker terriers to produce a more agile and athletic dog for fighting other dogs.


There, right from the ASPCA.
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Cal12
02/23/18 4:36:11 AM
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MaverickXeo posted...
Cal12 posted...
MaverickXeo posted...
-Gavirulax- posted...
Romulox28 posted...
time to wait for the pitbull defense force to come in here and explain how these ultra muscular dogs who are bred for aggression & constitute the majority of dog attacks in the US are actually just big cuddlebugs and it's the owners that are evil and mean


That's exactly right.

I've owned plenty of English Staffies (which are often called "pitbulls"), they've always been extremely friendly and loving. It is entirely on the owner. In terms of public opinion like that, it's ignorance.


It is NOT entirely on the owner. It is nature vs nurture... the dogs are naturally aggressive and powerful, but they can also be raised to be "nicer". They are predisposed to be violent... disagreeing with that is faulty logic.

Simply put, they ARE violent and deadly dogs.


This right here tells me you have never been near properly bred and raised pit bulls, let alone ever owned one. They regularly rank either 1 or 2 in training and temperament testing right up alongside the golden retriever. There are literally millions of these dogs in the US that never do anything like this small handful yet people like yourself and the person saying they should all be euthanized never acknowledge that. Instead, you spout hyperbole saying they are violent and deadly dogs or ticking time bombs like someone else stated, which for the far vast majority of this breed is the farthest thing from the truth.

How in the world can you consider yourself a free thinking human if you cant objectively see how backwards that is?


...They were bred for violence. How can you not understand your dogs' history?

Todays pit bull is a descendant of the original English bull-baiting doga dog that was bred to bite and hold bulls, bears and other large animals around the face and head. When baiting large animals was outlawed in the 1800s, people turned instead to fighting their dogs against each other. These larger, slower bull-baiting dogs were crossed with smaller, quicker terriers to produce a more agile and athletic dog for fighting other dogs.


There, right from the ASPCA.


So youre going to cherry pick and ignore the rest of what I said? Basically you wont discuss youll just stand by your false statement that they are violent and deadly with no basis? Maybe you should link to their pit bull advocacy information that discusses the misinformation about the breed? Damn but that would ruin your narrative.

Also, they arent my breed. If anything Im an all breed person. Ive owned several different breeds of dog in my lifetime, not just pit bulls. I can be open minded on this subject unlike yourself. The worst dog Ive ever owned was a lab. Took a lot of training and patience to fix him.
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MaverickXeo
02/23/18 4:40:18 AM
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I said they were 'bred' to be deadly and violent. That is not misinformation or false statements...
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Cal12
02/23/18 4:42:49 AM
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MaverickXeo posted...
I said they were 'bred' to be deadly and violent. That is not misinformation or false statements...


I literally quoted you saying Simply put, they ARE violent and deadly dogs.. Thats you making a statement of fact.
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MaverickXeo
02/23/18 4:44:00 AM
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Cal12 posted...
MaverickXeo posted...
I said they were 'bred' to be deadly and violent. That is not misinformation or false statements...


I literally quoted you saying Simply put, they ARE violent and deadly dogs.. Thats a statement of fact.


You are the one picking and choosing. If you read the rest of my post, you can see it is implied that they are naturally violent and deadly. I guess I must assume people cannot always read between the lines.
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YOUHAVENOHOPE
02/23/18 4:44:18 AM
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Cal12 posted...
MaverickXeo posted...
I said they were 'bred' to be deadly and violent. That is not misinformation or false statements...


I literally quoted you saying Simply put, they ARE violent and deadly dogs.. Thats you making a statement of fact.

>dogs that were bred to fight and hunt
>THEY ARE NOT INHERENTLY VIOLENT AND DEADLY
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Cal12
02/23/18 5:11:50 AM
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YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...
Cal12 posted...
MaverickXeo posted...
I said they were 'bred' to be deadly and violent. That is not misinformation or false statements...


I literally quoted you saying Simply put, they ARE violent and deadly dogs.. Thats you making a statement of fact.

>dogs that were bred to fight and hunt
>THEY ARE NOT INHERENTLY VIOLENT AND DEADLY


They are not inherently violent and deadly. If you believe thats the case then countless other breeds should be group with them.

MaverickXeo posted...
Cal12 posted...
MaverickXeo posted...
I said they were 'bred' to be deadly and violent. That is not misinformation or false statements...


I literally quoted you saying Simply put, they ARE violent and deadly dogs.. Thats a statement of fact.


You are the one picking and choosing. If you read the rest of my post, you can see it is implied that they are naturally violent and deadly. I guess I must assume people cannot always read between the lines.


Actually you literally said it. Im not picking and choosing anything. You even made it a stand out final line to the post I quoted.
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iClockwork
02/23/18 5:23:56 AM
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Cal12 posted...
If you believe thats the case then countless other breeds should be group with them.

Yes they should be.
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frozenshock
02/24/18 10:53:08 PM
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ChainedRedone
02/26/18 7:50:28 PM
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MaverickXeo posted...
I said they were 'bred' to be deadly and violent. That is not misinformation or false statements...


That's like saying beagles were bred to be violent because they were bred to hunt. Your logic is terrible. Some dogs were bred to be violent towards other animals, not humans.
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frozenshock
02/26/18 9:06:46 PM
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There's going to be a new hearing soon to discuss the possible sentence that he's going to get. He's most likely going to have prison time
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LepartialJury
03/03/18 5:29:51 AM
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Tragic all around
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kingdrake2
03/05/18 5:38:57 AM
#69:


yusiko posted...
its the owners fault for raising the dogs poorly
pitbulls can be friendly with the right owner

but if they do attack they are the breed that are most likely to do lethal damage.


this, human aggression isn't wanted in the breed. owner should of had control over his dog at all times (especially if it's a danger to people).
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Cranie
03/05/18 6:02:21 AM
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Kill the dog, lock up the owner. Done deal.
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_MorningStar
03/05/18 1:04:33 PM
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Mmmm, I love the smell of shitposting in the morning.
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WrkHrdPlayHrdr
03/05/18 1:13:21 PM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_States#Fatalities_reported_in_2018

The breed is obviously not the problem. /s
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Trigg3rH4ppy
03/05/18 1:22:15 PM
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All pitbulls should be neutered. It should be a $5,000 fine and your dog euthanized if you are caught with a pitbull over 6 months old that isn't neutered. Let the breed die off.
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NINExATExSEVEN
03/05/18 1:24:47 PM
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I'm not reading through the topic. Why did the dog attack? Did he attack out of nowhere or did the girl run up to it or startle it somehow?
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frozenshock
03/05/18 1:27:11 PM
#75:


NINExATExSEVEN posted...
I'm not reading through the topic. Why did the dog attack? Did he attack out of nowhere or did the girl run up to it or startle it somehow?


@NINExATExSEVEN

That's what the guy argued in court. But he wasn't there. He was at home while his dogs were roaming free in the neighborhood.

Girl was in the park with her mom.
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Cranie
03/07/18 3:32:52 AM
#76:


WrkHrdPlayHrdr posted...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_States#Fatalities_reported_in_2018

The breed is obviously not the problem. /s


Shit man, almost all the victims are either small children or the elderly..
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JxOxNxIxCxS
03/07/18 3:40:07 AM
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When you see pitbulls round yo way

Dammit, man
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cjsdowg
03/07/18 3:45:20 AM
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Unless I miss read it was his mom who had the dogs out. So why is he going to jail. Also if he gets 10 years, how much time will these guys get.

http://www.startribune.com/st-paul-police-dog-attacked-innocent-woman-suit-says/462416373/

Anywho this guy is going to jail.
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