Board 8 > Is there anything that has a "twist" like the 1st Friday the 13th?

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Spoilers I guess?

The fact that Jason isn't the killer wasn't really a twist at the time, but it's pretty surprising when you watch it for the first time after the franchise was already established.

I checked the TVtropes page, and while it does mention the irony of the situation, there isn't a trope named after it. Has anything similar ever happened before?
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http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheEndingChangesEverything
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Psycho kinda?
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

Psycho kinda?

I was going to post the same thing. Similar twist.
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Sorry, I'm not talking about the twist itself. I'm talking about the situation created where it only really counts as being a twist to future audiences.
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Mayonesa posted...

Sorry, I'm not talking about the twist itself. I'm talking about the situation created where it only really counts as being a twist to future audiences.

Huh?
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I was going to say Psycho too, but for the real question I can't really think of anything. It's like a reversal of when you know about something due to sequels. You expect that and then it's not that. That same situation happened with the person I saw Friday the 13th with, though.
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He means that F13 #1 in no way tries to make you think it's Jason, but anyone unfamiliar with the specifics of that particular movie would assume it because Jason is what people know about those movies in general.
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Oh so like something is a twist but only because the sequels changed expectations?

Metroid?

EDIT: nevermind, not quite the same
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So kinda like when you watch the original movie that a Hollywood moving with a happy ending is based on?

Wicker Park / L'Appartement
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

Mayonesa posted...

Sorry, I'm not talking about the twist itself. I'm talking about the situation created where it only really counts as being a twist to future audiences.

Huh?

If you saw Friday the 13th in 1980, you would not be thinking that a grown Jason wearing a hockey mask wielding a machete would be revealed to be the murderer, so at the time it isn't a twist when that doesn't happen.
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

Oh so like something is a twist but only because the sequels changed expectations?

Metroid?

EDIT: nevermind, not quite the same

It in fact is sort of the opposite. That's just a spoiler they don't try to hide later on, like Darth Vader.
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Zelda 1 not having the Triforce of Courage?
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So basically a nontwist that was transformed into a twist by the expectations set by a sequel

That is indeed an interesting question. I can't think of anything.
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That's not a plot twist of any kind though
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Street Fighter 1 not ending with Ryu scarring Sagat?
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Jumping on turtles in Mario Bros. kills Mario!
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I think it's something like Kirby's Dream Land (GB, 1992) not having copy abilities, which is the character's defining trait from his later games.

But he's asking for plot-related things in movies or other stories. And in that respect I can't think of anything.
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pjbasis posted...

That's not a plot twist of any kind though

I mean I assume that's why he put it in quote marks in the first place.
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Harry Potter defeats Voldemort directly in Book One
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So basically, any long-running series that relied on recurring tropes or themes, but those themes were not present in the very first entry, so a person experiencing the series out of order would be "surprised" when the first one is unlike the rest of them.
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Mission 46 The Truth
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-hotdogturtle-- posted...

I think it's something like Kirby's Dream Land (GB, 1992) not having copy abilities, which is the character's defining trait from his later games.

that was the first thing I thought of too

I think something similar happened to me when I went back to replay the Jak games? I had completely forgotten he was a silent protagonist in the first game since my favorite growing up had been Jak 3
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Conker's Pocket Tales.
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Uncharted 1 being a terrible game.
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It's kind of hard to say what might be expected by younger audiences, but maybe Hannibal Lecter not being the main antagonist of Silence of the Lambs?

If it's not at that point yet I think it definitely will be in like 10 years or so
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Johnbobb posted...

It's kind of hard to say what might be expected by younger audiences, but maybe Hannibal Lecter not being the main antagonist of Silence of the Lambs?

This is a pretty good one.

Mayonesa posted...

The fact that Jason isn't the killer wasn't really a twist at the time, but it's pretty surprising when you watch it for the first time after the franchise was already established.

I learned this from Scream and was legit surprised.
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Rocky

Also a gameplay thing but I always try to spin dash in sonic 1
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The first Rambo movie isn't called Rambo.
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So the actual trope would be:

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EarlyInstallmentWeirdness
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Aqua Teen Hunger Force used to have a plot.
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Johnbobb posted...

It's kind of hard to say what might be expected by younger audiences, but maybe Hannibal Lecter not being the main antagonist of Silence of the Lambs?

I've never actually seen Silence of the Lambs and I was definitely under the impression that he was the antagonist, so yes this would count. I just thought Hannibal Lecter was Buffalo Bill's real name

Also while it's a little different from what I originally intended, I'm enjoying all of these gameplay related ones as well.
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Dynasty Warriors 1 is a fighting game

That one is a sort-of technicality though; in Japan the first one is called Sangoku Musou and then Dynasty Warriors 2, 3, etc were Shin Sangoku Musou, Shin Sangoku Musou 2, etc so the rest of the series is like a spinoff to the original fighting game, in a different genre.

The subject matter of First Blood is quite different to the rest of the Rambo series and our general pop culture perception of it

I guess the fact that JoJo's parts 1 and 2 don't have stands might count
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Dracula: Count Dracula getting killed by a Texas cowboy with a Bowie knife, when most people might expect some Van Helsing crap?
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The original Godzilla is a serious movie about the horror of nuclear war and how humanity is ill-equipped to deal with the aftermath, the sequels (minus the reboots) are instead about a noble monster protecting people from other monster threats in goofy fights
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I watched the first Terminator movie after the second and third ones, so I was slightly surprised that there was no "good" Terminator like all the others.
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WazzupGenius00 posted...

The subject matter of First Blood is quite different to the rest of the Rambo series and our general pop culture perception of it

Yeah I was shocked
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First Blood is a legitimately great and underrated movie.
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First Blood is one of my favorite movies.
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First Blood was the first thing I thought of too.

I barely remember the sequels, but John Rambo brought an entire town to its knees in the original First Blood. Yeah, his sad backstory might surprise viewers, but he's still a fucking badass action hero.
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Episode 1 of Umineko is a straight drama and murder mystery with just background myth about a supposed witch.
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Psycho does still fit the question, though not in the way most people replied. I've watched Psycho with so many people who all knew of the shower scene, but didn't know any context to the movie. And every single person was surprised that the shower scene kill took place halfway into the movie. They were all like "Wait what? Is the movie already over? Is she still alive? She's the main character." Psycho is a unique case where that twist worked back in its day for how it was meant, and still today for people who even know about the scene because they just don't know the context, so it gets them again!
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Grand Kirby posted...

So the actual trope would be:

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EarlyInstallmentWeirdness

Reading through the film examples reminded me that the original Evil Dead is a much more serious, straight horror film than I expected, based on what I knew about Evil Dead 2, and having already seen Army of Darkness. But yeah I think Friday the 13th is the most prominent example of this, and certainly where concerning character origins.
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TomNook posted...

Psycho does still fit the question, though not in the way most people replied. I've watched Psycho with so many people who all knew of the shower scene, but didn't know any context to the movie. And every single person was surprised that the shower scene kill took place halfway into the movie. They were all like "Wait what? Is the movie already over? Is she still alive? She's the main character." Psycho is a unique case where that twist worked back in its day for how it was meant, and still today for people who even know about the scene because they just don't know the context, so it gets them again!

Yeah, that's accurate, I definitely remember being surprised how early the main girl died even though I knew it was going to happen
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Also this one probably won't have much impact for a while on but Toph wasn't in the first season of Avatar: the Last Airbender

I remember it surprised me just a few years after watching the show
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