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kislev 12/22/17 5:16:10 PM #51:	Offworlder1 posted... The fans need to slam this shit tier movie, TLJ is a fucking disgrace to the Star Wars brand. --- https://youtu.be/BxgSV3C7vro We need a new Final Fantasy Tactics <cite>kislev posted [p:892702601] in Forbes: Th... [t:76126733]...</cite> <quote><cite>Offworlder1 posted...</cite> <quote>The fans need to slam this shit tier movie, TLJ is a fucking disgrace to the Star Wars brand.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dave_is_slick 12/22/17 5:16:17 PM #52:	s0nicfan posted... Yea, we're just not going to agree on that. Mark Hamill doesn't agree on that, either. I'll take his side on this one. He literally said later on that he did like the direction. People always leave that out. --- The most relaxing version of Aquatic Ambiance I've ever heard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl61y1XM7sM <cite>dave_is_slick posted [p:892702609] in Forbes: Th... [t:76126733]...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>Yea, we're just not going to agree on that. Mark Hamill doesn't agree on that, either. I'll take his side on this one.</quote> He literally said later on that he did like the direction. People always leave that out.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 12/22/17 5:16:57 PM #53:	WafflehouseJK posted... Where has JJ said that Johnson ignored him? It's completely possible I missed something, but everything I've seen said that JJ had notes but ultimately supported Johnson. People wanted Luke to continue being a paragon, but Johnson decided to bring his flaws more to the forefront. I get why people would dislike that, but it's believable, and in my personal opinion, good character development. Personally I think it's more respectful to the character to bring those flaws to the surface and not glance over their existence, but I get not liking those decisions. We shouldn't pretend there's no middle ground. I have no problem with Luke not being a paragon, but Rian went WAY too far. It's one thing to bring flaws to the surface. It's another to burn everything that the character EVER stood for to the ground, piss on the ashes, and then laugh. As for the Abrams part, this is from an interview: When asked about whether or not Abrams provided any character input, Johnson explained: "No, he was really gracious, in just stepping back and giving us a blank slate to work with. The starting point was The Force Awakens script, which is quite a big, expansive, wonderful starting point. In that way, we are drawing directly from his work. But from that point forward it was a blank canvas." However, Rian ALSO said earlier in the same interview that: And I remember that I pitched him the story at the very beginning, and he had notes So at some point Rian worked with Abrams to help shape the new trilogy, and Abrams had notes. Then later Rian says Abrams let him work with "a blank canvas" so clearly something happened in-between. Also note that all these quotes are from Johnson. Abrams hasn't said anything about the controversies so he's probably just letting things sort themselves out. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:892702642] in Forbes: Th... [t:76126733]...</cite> <quote><cite>WafflehouseJK posted...</cite> <quote>Where has JJ said that Johnson ignored him? It's completely possible I missed something, but everything I've seen said that JJ had notes but ultimately supported Johnson. People wanted Luke to continue being a paragon, but Johnson decided to bring his flaws more to the forefront. I get why people would dislike that, but it's believable, and in my personal opinion, good character development. Personally I think it's more respectful to the character to bring those flaws to the surface and not glance over their existence, but I get not liking those decisions.</quote> We shouldn't pretend there's no middle ground. I have no problem with Luke not being a paragon, but Rian went WAY too far. It's one thing to bring flaws to the surface. It's another to burn everything that the character EVER stood for to the ground, piss on the ashes, and then laugh. As for the Abrams part, this is from an interview: <quote>When asked about whether or not Abrams provided any character input, Johnson explained: "No, he was really gracious, in just stepping back and giving us a blank slate to work with. The starting point was The Force Awakens script, which is quite a big, expansive, wonderful starting point. In that way, we are drawing directly from his work. But from that point forward it was a blank canvas."</quote> However, Rian ALSO said earlier in the same interview that: <quote>And I remember that I pitched him the story at the very beginning, and he had notes</quote> So at some point Rian worked with Abrams to help shape the new trilogy, and Abrams had notes. Then later Rian says Abrams let him work with "a blank canvas" so clearly something happened in-between. Also note that all these quotes are from Johnson. Abrams hasn't said anything about the controversies so he's probably just letting things sort themselves out.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 12/22/17 5:18:33 PM #54:	dave_is_slick posted... He literally said later on that he did like the direction. People always leave that out. Mark Hamill's exact words as of less than a week ago: I said to Rian, Jedis dont give up. I mean, even if [Luke] had a problem, he would maybe take a year to try and regroup, but if he made a mistake, he would try and right that wrong, so right there, we had a fundamental difference. But its not my story anymore, its somebody elses story and Rian needed me to be a certain way to make the ending effective. Thats the crux of my problem. Luke would never say that. Im sorry. Well, in this versionsee, Im talking about the George Lucas Star Wars, this is the next generation of Star Wars. I almost had to think of Luke as another character. Maybe hes Jake Skywalker, hes not my Luke Skywalker. But I had to do what Rian wanted me to do because it serves the story well. Listen, I still havent accepted it completely, but, its only a movie. I hope people like it. I hope they dont get upset. I came to really believe that Rian was the exact man they needed for this job. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:892702719] in Forbes: Th... [t:76126733]...</cite> <quote><cite>dave_is_slick posted...</cite> <quote>He literally said later on that he did like the direction. People always leave that out.</quote> Mark Hamill's exact words as of less than a week ago: <quote>I said to Rian, Jedis dont give up. I mean, even if [Luke] had a problem, he would maybe take a year to try and regroup, but if he made a mistake, he would try and right that wrong, so right there, we had a fundamental difference. But its not my story anymore, its somebody elses story and Rian needed me to be a certain way to make the ending effective. Thats the crux of my problem. Luke would never say that. Im sorry. Well, in this versionsee, Im talking about the George Lucas Star Wars, this is the next generation of Star Wars. I almost had to think of Luke as another character. Maybe hes Jake Skywalker, hes not my Luke Skywalker. But I had to do what Rian wanted me to do because it serves the story well. Listen, I still havent accepted it completely, but, its only a movie. I hope people like it. I hope they dont get upset. I came to really believe that Rian was the exact man they needed for this job.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheCyborgNinja 12/22/17 5:18:59 PM #55:	Disney should blame this on EA. I dont think that would be accurate, but itd sure be funny. --- "message parlor" ? do you mean the post office ? - SlayerX888 <cite>TheCyborgNinja posted [p:892702735] in Forbes: Th... [t:76126733]...</cite> <quote>Disney should blame this on EA. I dont think that would be accurate, but itd sure be funny.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WafflehouseJK 12/22/17 5:24:06 PM #56:	dave_is_slick posted... s0nicfan posted... Yea, we're just not going to agree on that. Mark Hamill doesn't agree on that, either. I'll take his side on this one. He literally said later on that he did like the direction. People always leave that out. To be fair, I wouldn't be surprised if Disney pressured Hamill to say that. >_> s0nicfan posted... WafflehouseJK posted... Where has JJ said that Johnson ignored him? It's completely possible I missed something, but everything I've seen said that JJ had notes but ultimately supported Johnson. People wanted Luke to continue being a paragon, but Johnson decided to bring his flaws more to the forefront. I get why people would dislike that, but it's believable, and in my personal opinion, good character development. Personally I think it's more respectful to the character to bring those flaws to the surface and not glance over their existence, but I get not liking those decisions. We shouldn't pretend there's no middle ground. I have no problem with Luke not being a paragon, but Rian went WAY too far. It's one thing to bring flaws to the surface. It's another to burn everything that the character EVER stood for to the ground, piss on the ashes, and then laugh. As for the Abrams part, this is from an interview: When asked about whether or not Abrams provided any character input, Johnson explained: "No, he was really gracious, in just stepping back and giving us a blank slate to work with. The starting point was The Force Awakens script, which is quite a big, expansive, wonderful starting point. In that way, we are drawing directly from his work. But from that point forward it was a blank canvas." However, Rian ALSO said earlier in the same interview that: And I remember that I pitched him the story at the very beginning, and he had notes So at some point Rian worked with Abrams to help shape the new trilogy, and Abrams had notes. Then later Rian says Abrams let him work with "a blank canvas" so clearly something happened in-between. Also note that all these quotes are from Johnson. Abrams hasn't said anything about the controversies so he's probably just letting things sort themselves out. True, they're clearly trying to market a unified front in pushing the new trilogy, and it's difficult for us to say what exactly happened from this side of things. But everyone's saying stuff like "oh, JJ must be pissed!" when we really don't know how much input he ultimately had. And that's understandable. Again, personally I think they did a good job with Luke, but it's definitely a subjective thing. There's a number of directions they could have gone with Luke that would have made sense for the character, and I understand being upset with them choosing a direction people didn't necessarily want him to go. Personally, I like the choices they made with him. It admittedly leaves a lot to the imagination in terms of what happened internally in those 40 years to make him completely turn his back on many of his old ideologies, arguably too much, but I personally don't think it's an insult to the character. I think giving him those complexities made him that much more interesting, and you're right, maybe they didn't have to go as extreme with it as they did, but personally I enjoyed just how flawed they made him. --- "She was like, 'Oh, did you see that firefighter? Hes so cute.' And I was like, Mom, I just got blown up." <cite>WafflehouseJK posted [p:892702979] in Forbes: Th... [t:76126733]...</cite> <quote><cite>dave_is_slick posted...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>Yea, we're just not going to agree on that. Mark Hamill doesn't agree on that, either. I'll take his side on this one.</quote> He literally said later on that he did like the direction. People always leave that out.</quote> To be fair, I wouldn't be surprised if Disney pressured Hamill to say that. >_> <cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>WafflehouseJK posted...</cite> <quote>Where has JJ said that Johnson ignored him? It's completely possible I missed something, but everything I've seen said that JJ had notes but ultimately supported Johnson. People wanted Luke to continue being a paragon, but Johnson decided to bring his flaws more to the forefront. I get why people would dislike that, but it's believable, and in my personal opinion, good character development. Personally I think it's more respectful to the character to bring those flaws to the surface and not glance over their existence, but I get not liking those decisions.</quote> We shouldn't pretend there's no middle ground. I have no problem with Luke not being a paragon, but Rian went WAY too far. It's one thing to bring flaws to the surface. It's another to burn everything that the character EVER stood for to the ground, piss on the ashes, and then laugh. As for the Abrams part, this is from an interview: <quote>When asked about whether or not Abrams provided any character input, Johnson explained: "No, he was really gracious, in just stepping back and giving us a blank slate to work with. The starting point was The Force Awakens script, which is quite a big, expansive, wonderful starting point. In that way, we are drawing directly from his work. But from that point forward it was a blank canvas."</quote> However, Rian ALSO said earlier in the same interview that: <quote>And I remember that I pitched him the story at the very beginning, and he had notes</quote> So at some point Rian worked with Abrams to help shape the new trilogy, and Abrams had notes. Then later Rian says Abrams let him work with "a blank canvas" so clearly something happened in-between. Also note that all these quotes are from Johnson. Abrams hasn't said anything about the controversies so he's probably just letting things sort themselves out.</quote> True, they're clearly trying to market a unified front in pushing the new trilogy, and it's difficult for us to say what exactly happened from this side of things. But everyone's saying stuff like "oh, JJ must be pissed!" when we really don't know how much input he ultimately had. And that's understandable. Again, personally I think they did a good job with Luke, but it's definitely a subjective thing. There's a number of directions they could have gone with Luke that would have made sense for the character, and I understand being upset with them choosing a direction people didn't necessarily want him to go. Personally, I like the choices they made with him. It admittedly leaves a lot to the imagination in terms of what happened internally in those 40 years to make him completely turn his back on many of his old ideologies, arguably too much, but I personally don't think it's an insult to the character. I think giving him those complexities made him that much more interesting, and you're right, maybe they didn't have to go as extreme with it as they did, but personally I enjoyed just how flawed they made him.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Cleo_II 12/22/17 5:32:00 PM #58:	Bad movie was bad. And its not just because of Lukes character. The entire plot revolved around a slow-mo space chase. Like really, thats all you could think about? Casino plot line sucked. The writing was also super cringy and a lot of the humor was forced and felt out of place. I thought I was watching Star Wars, not The Orville. Its ok for an unimportant character to suicide for the greater good, but not ok if its a main character. Rey is just not an interesting character and Kylo is emo. Finn is just cringe. <cite>Cleo_II posted [p:892703366] in Forbes: Th... [t:76126733]...</cite> <quote>Bad movie was bad. And its not just because of Lukes character. The entire plot revolved around a slow-mo space chase. Like really, thats all you could think about? Casino plot line sucked. The writing was also super cringy and a lot of the humor was forced and felt out of place. I thought I was watching Star Wars, not The Orville. Its ok for an unimportant character to suicide for the greater good, but not ok if its a main character. Rey is just not an interesting character and Kylo is emo. Finn is just cringe. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cerealbox760 12/22/17 5:37:38 PM #59:	kislev posted... Offworlder1 posted... The fans need to slam this shit tier movie, TLJ is a fucking disgrace to the Star Wars brand. --- Clevo P775 QHD 120hz / i7 7700k 4.5GHZ / GTX 1070 8GB / DDR4 16GB/ 256gb m.2 SSD /Magni-Modi DAC_AMP combo/ ie800. Laptop on the outside. Desktop on the inside. <cite>cerealbox760 posted [p:892703654] in Forbes: Th... [t:76126733]...</cite> <quote><cite>kislev posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Offworlder1 posted...</cite> <quote>The fans need to slam this shit tier movie, TLJ is a fucking disgrace to the Star Wars brand.</quote></quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cerealbox760 12/22/17 5:40:51 PM #60:	Cpt_Pineapple posted... #notmystarwars --- Clevo P775 QHD 120hz / i7 7700k 4.5GHZ / GTX 1070 8GB / DDR4 16GB/ 256gb m.2 SSD /Magni-Modi DAC_AMP combo/ ie800. Laptop on the outside. Desktop on the inside. <cite>cerealbox760 posted [p:892703792] in Forbes: Th... [t:76126733]...</cite> <quote><cite>Cpt_Pineapple posted...</cite> <quote>#notmystarwars</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
marthsheretoo 12/22/17 5:45:00 PM #61:	People complain about the Luke character assassination (which was bad) but ignore the Poe character assassination. --- "Even MarthKoopa has jumped on the MarthKoopa hate wagon." -DevsBro <cite>marthsheretoo posted [p:892703990] in Forbes: Th... [t:76126733]...</cite> <quote>People complain about the Luke character assassination (which was bad) but ignore the Poe character assassination.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Catgirl Fondler 12/22/17 6:01:14 PM #62:	I couldn't say if the new movies are good or bad as I haven't seen them, but then, it's probably telling that I don't want to see them. It was my biggest fear that the new movies would just be an excuse to kill off my favorite characters while replacing them with ones I don't care about, and that's exactly what has happened based on the spoilers I've heard/seen. They can't even pull the "look, more Star Wars films!" hype card because they blew that one already, and the prequels burned me pretty fucking bad at that. (I remember a time when Darth Vader was my favorite villain of all time, now I just feel embarrassed that I ever thought he was cool.) --- N/A <cite>The Catgirl Fondler posted [p:892704757] in Forbes: Th... [t:76126733]...</cite> <quote>I couldn't say if the new movies are good or bad as I haven't seen them, but then, it's probably telling that I don't want to see them. It was my biggest fear that the new movies would just be an excuse to kill off my favorite characters while replacing them with ones I don't care about, and that's exactly what has happened based on the spoilers I've heard/seen. They can't even pull the "look, more Star Wars films!" hype card because they blew that one already, and the prequels burned me pretty fucking bad at that. (I remember a time when Darth Vader was my favorite villain of all time, now I just feel embarrassed that I ever thought he was cool.)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
k darkfire 12/22/17 6:03:21 PM #63:	Luke was a goddamned Hero. Luke would never have done this, ever and if you disagree you're wrong and I'm not going to humor you. There was ZERO reason for Rey to exist. ZERO. She, Finn and Poe exist to pander to SJWs and it's fucking racist. <cite>k darkfire posted [p:892704865] in Forbes: Th... [t:76126733]...</cite> <quote>Luke was a goddamned Hero. Luke would never have done this, ever and if you disagree you're wrong and I'm not going to humor you. There was ZERO reason for Rey to exist. ZERO. She, Finn and Poe exist to pander to SJWs and it's fucking racist.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 12/22/17 6:05:30 PM #64:	k darkfire posted... Shut the fuck up with your political bullshit. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:892704978] in Forbes: Th... [t:76126733]...</cite> <quote><cite>k darkfire posted...</cite> Shut the fuck up with your political bullshit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
prettyprincess 12/22/17 6:09:24 PM #65:	k darkfire posted... waaah --- And in an infinite regress, tell me, why is the pain of birth lighter borne than the pain of death? <cite>prettyprincess posted [p:892705191] in Forbes: Th... [t:76126733]...</cite> <quote><cite>k darkfire posted...</cite> <quote>waaah</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlisLandale 12/22/17 6:13:12 PM #66:	marthsheretoo posted... People complain about the Luke character assassination (which was bad) but ignore the Poe character assassination. Poe is terrible and nobody cares >_> --- Currently Binging: Ghost in the Shell - Stand Alone Complex http://i.imgtc.com/YQId2Bz.png <cite>AlisLandale posted [p:892705393] in Forbes: Th... [t:76126733]...</cite> <quote><cite>marthsheretoo posted...</cite> <quote>People complain about the Luke character assassination (which was bad) but ignore the Poe character assassination.</quote> Poe is terrible and nobody cares >_></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
jsb0714 12/22/17 6:14:07 PM #67:	AlisLandale posted... jsb0714 posted... Anyone who thinks this movie would kill interest in future ones has obviously never seen the prequel trilogy. The Prequels had the promise of Vader's turn. That was the whole reason they exist. The sequels dont have the legacy of Western medias most popular sci-fi villain to draw people in. What the hell? It had the heroes of the original trilogy making their return. --- Spliiiish! Ka-Boom!!! <cite>jsb0714 posted [p:892705423] in Forbes: Th... [t:76126733]...</cite> <quote><cite>AlisLandale posted...</cite> <quote><cite>jsb0714 posted...</cite> <quote>Anyone who thinks this movie would kill interest in future ones has obviously never seen the prequel trilogy.</quote> The Prequels had the promise of Vader's turn. That was the whole reason they exist. The sequels dont have the legacy of Western medias most popular sci-fi villain to draw people in.</quote> What the hell? It had the heroes of the original trilogy making their return.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AvantgardeAClue 12/22/17 6:17:45 PM #68:	EverDownward posted... Nostradumbass posted... ~~they killed off the last connection to the original and all the nostalgia that drove people to these sequels~~ But now, they can shape Star Wars into whatever they want and not have to worry about pandering to those pesky fans that have been around for decades. Those "pesky fans that have been around for decades" are likely the ones who are funding this new trilogy the most actually --- https://i.imgur.com/lh3pQTA_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium <cite>AvantgardeAClue posted [p:892705603] in Forbes: Th... [t:76126733]...</cite> <quote><cite>EverDownward posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nostradumbass posted...</cite> <quote>they killed off the last connection to the original and all the nostalgia that drove people to these sequels</quote> But now, they can shape Star Wars into whatever they want and not have to worry about pandering to those pesky fans that have been around for decades.</quote> Those "pesky fans that have been around for decades" are likely the ones who are funding this new trilogy the most actually</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EverDownward 12/22/17 6:26:15 PM #69:	AvantgardeAClue posted... EverDownward posted... Nostradumbass posted... ~~they killed off the last connection to the original and all the nostalgia that drove people to these sequels~~ But now, they can shape Star Wars into whatever they want and not have to worry about pandering to those pesky fans that have been around for decades. Those "pesky fans that have been around for decades" are likely the ones who are funding this new trilogy the most actually Um, this isn't YOUR Star Wars anymore. This is for a new generation of fans, and you older fans just have to deal with it. --- http://i.imgur.com/DKNJbBm.jpg What a terrifying thing to happen. I'm not sure why but I have this big fear of going blond - Zurkon <cite>EverDownward posted [p:892705987] in Forbes: Th... [t:76126733]...</cite> <quote><cite>AvantgardeAClue posted...</cite> <quote><cite>EverDownward posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nostradumbass posted...</cite> <quote>they killed off the last connection to the original and all the nostalgia that drove people to these sequels</quote> But now, they can shape Star Wars into whatever they want and not have to worry about pandering to those pesky fans that have been around for decades.</quote> Those "pesky fans that have been around for decades" are likely the ones who are funding this new trilogy the most actually</quote> Um, this isn't YOUR Star Wars anymore. This is for a new generation of fans, and you older fans just have to deal with it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Sonic 12/22/17 6:29:16 PM #70:	Is the movie shit, though? That's the important question. Will I have massive BvS-remorse for paying for a ticket? --- The only game reviewers who can be trusted are those who publish in Latin or Swahili. <cite>Solid Sonic posted [p:892706134] in Forbes: Th... [t:76126733]...</cite> <quote>Is the movie shit, though? That's the important question. Will I have massive BvS-remorse for paying for a ticket?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NibeIungsnarf 12/22/17 6:30:28 PM #71:	Solid Sonic posted... Is the movie shit, though? That's the important question. Will I have massive BvS-remorse for paying for a ticket? There's so many degrees of shit to get through before you reach Batman Vs Superman. The Last Jedi is nowhere near that bad. <cite>NibeIungsnarf posted [p:892706192] in Forbes: Th... [t:76126733]...</cite> <quote><cite>Solid Sonic posted...</cite> <quote>Is the movie shit, though? That's the important question. Will I have massive BvS-remorse for paying for a ticket?</quote> There's so many degrees of shit to get through before you reach Batman Vs Superman. The Last Jedi is nowhere near that bad.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlisLandale 12/22/17 6:48:44 PM #72:	jsb0714 posted... AlisLandale posted... jsb0714 posted... Anyone who thinks this movie would kill interest in future ones has obviously never seen the prequel trilogy. The Prequels had the promise of Vader's turn. That was the whole reason they exist. The sequels dont have the legacy of Western medias most popular sci-fi villain to draw people in. What the hell? It had the heroes of the original trilogy making their return. And in TLJ they unceremoniously blew that load. Rather than an exotic, 64 page cross-over orgy doujin, they had a quick deed-sesh to a dirty picture of Malon lusting after a wanted poster of Shiek. Han is out. Luke is out. Leia is going to be out. All before the final act. I dont think this will put a serious long-term dent in American audiences, but any reason we had to go see TFA was pushed aside by the end of this movie. Except this movie didnt have a whole lot to get hyped about unless youre still waiting to see Oscar Osaac fuck a droid --- Currently Binging: Ghost in the Shell - Stand Alone Complex http://i.imgtc.com/YQId2Bz.png <cite>AlisLandale posted [p:892706983] in Forbes: Th... [t:76126733]...</cite> <quote><cite>jsb0714 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>AlisLandale posted...</cite> <quote><cite>jsb0714 posted...</cite> <quote>Anyone who thinks this movie would kill interest in future ones has obviously never seen the prequel trilogy.</quote> The Prequels had the promise of Vader's turn. That was the whole reason they exist. The sequels dont have the legacy of Western medias most popular sci-fi villain to draw people in.</quote> What the hell? It had the heroes of the original trilogy making their return.</quote> And in TLJ they unceremoniously blew that load. Rather than an exotic, 64 page cross-over orgy doujin, they had a quick deed-sesh to a dirty picture of Malon lusting after a wanted poster of Shiek. Han is out. Luke is out. Leia is going to be out. All before the final act. I dont think this will put a serious long-term dent in American audiences, but any reason we had to go see TFA was pushed aside by the end of this movie. Except this movie didnt have a whole lot to get hyped about unless youre still waiting to see Oscar Osaac fuck a droid</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Unknown5uspect 12/22/17 6:55:12 PM #73:	I thought TLJ was good, but damn they could have done better than ~~the fucking slow mo space chase.~~ <cite>Unknown5uspect posted [p:892707254] in Forbes: Th... [t:76126733]...</cite> <quote>I thought TLJ was good, but damn they could have done better than the fucking slow mo space chase.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
K181 12/22/17 6:58:54 PM #74:	That article seems pretty heavily baiting. Comparing it to Justice League, which is looking like it will lose money and was supposed to be the big exclamation point for their cinematic universe, is a beyond massive reach, especially as the article itself states that TLJ appears to be heading to substantial profits. Additionally, comparing weekday earnings seems idiotic, as the weekends are the big moneymakers for all movies. Wait until this weekend to judge if the movie is suffering or not. Finally, barely beating Rogue One would still mean that the movie grossed well over a billion dollars and likely made several hundred million dollars in profits. Disney must be shaking right now. --- The poster formerly known as Kakarot181: July 2, 2002 - March 14, 2012. Irregardless, for all intensive purposes, I could care less. <cite>K181 posted [p:892707405] in Forbes: Th... [t:76126733]...</cite> <quote>That article seems pretty heavily baiting. Comparing it to Justice League, which is looking like it will lose money and was supposed to be the big exclamation point for their cinematic universe, is a beyond massive reach, especially as the article itself states that TLJ appears to be heading to substantial profits. Additionally, comparing weekday earnings seems idiotic, as the weekends are the big moneymakers for all movies. Wait until this weekend to judge if the movie is suffering or not. Finally, barely beating Rogue One would still mean that the movie grossed well over a billion dollars and likely made several hundred million dollars in profits. Disney must be shaking right now.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Makeveli_lives 12/22/17 7:05:43 PM #75:	Nostradumbass posted... ~~they killed off the last connection to the original and all the nostalgia that drove people to these sequels~~ To be fair one of them didn't ~~die in the movie. And we still have Chewie dammit~~ --- 3DS FC: 0087-2410-1340 <cite>Makeveli_lives posted [p:892707694] in Forbes: Th... [t:76126733]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nostradumbass posted...</cite> <quote>they killed off the last connection to the original and all the nostalgia that drove people to these sequels</quote> To be fair one of them didn't die in the movie. And we still have Chewie dammit</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 12/22/17 7:09:25 PM #76:	Kitt posted... Zikten posted... I liked it, but I also think they shouldn't be switching directors with each movie. Abrams should have done episode 8 He's, at least, coming back for 9. Pretty excited for that. Oh good, now we can have a shot-for-shot remake of RotJ --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:892707853] in Forbes: Th... [t:76126733]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kitt posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote>I liked it, but I also think they shouldn't be switching directors with each movie. Abrams should have done episode 8</quote> He's, at least, coming back for 9. Pretty excited for that.</quote> Oh good, now we can have a shot-for-shot remake of RotJ</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexenherz 12/22/17 7:13:18 PM #77:	JJ Abrams is a one trick pony, don't know why people would be excited about him doing the conclusion of a trilogy... --- i dont like signatures <cite>Hexenherz posted [p:892708014] in Forbes: Th... [t:76126733]...</cite> <quote>JJ Abrams is a one trick pony, don't know why people would be excited about him doing the conclusion of a trilogy...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChromaticAngel 12/22/17 7:18:22 PM #78:	This must be what it's like to read my posts in defense of Batman vs Superman. --- https://puu.sh/tcLsT/24f4611235.png https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg <cite>ChromaticAngel posted [p:892708233] in Forbes: Th... [t:76126733]...</cite> <quote>This must be what it's like to read my posts in defense of Batman vs Superman.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
marthsheretoo 12/22/17 7:46:47 PM #79:	ChromaticAngel posted... This must be what it's like to read my posts in defense of Batman vs Superman. So... Will you stop now that you understand what we go through? --- "Even MarthKoopa has jumped on the MarthKoopa hate wagon." -DevsBro <cite>marthsheretoo posted [p:892709496] in Forbes: Th... [t:76126733]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChromaticAngel posted...</cite> <quote>This must be what it's like to read my posts in defense of Batman vs Superman.</quote> So... Will you stop now that you understand what we go through?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlecSkorpio 12/22/17 7:48:54 PM #80:	I personally didn't have a problem with TLJ, I kind of like what they were doing with Luke and his cynicism towards the Jedi. The resistance stuff I could have done without. That being said, they're really fucking up by DCing this universe by basically not having any fucking clue or gameplan as to what is going on and just shitting out movies as fast as possible. How is it that 10 years later, Disney itself can't understand why their MCU is so successful? --- http://i.imgur.com/vQLlUd0.jpg https://i.imgtc.com/tWy9NTL.png <cite>AlecSkorpio posted [p:892709580] in Forbes: Th... [t:76126733]...</cite> <quote>I personally didn't have a problem with TLJ, I kind of like what they were doing with Luke and his cynicism towards the Jedi. The resistance stuff I could have done without. That being said, they're really fucking up by DCing this universe by basically not having any fucking clue or gameplan as to what is going on and just shitting out movies as fast as possible. How is it that 10 years later, Disney itself can't understand why their MCU is so successful?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Sonic 12/22/17 7:51:05 PM #81:	Disney had some HORRIBLY unfair terms for theaters carrying this movie. They wanted something like 60% of the box office take for the ENTIRE RUN of the film. --- The only game reviewers who can be trusted are those who publish in Latin or Swahili. <cite>Solid Sonic posted [p:892709671] in Forbes: Th... [t:76126733]...</cite> <quote>Disney had some HORRIBLY unfair terms for theaters carrying this movie. They wanted something like 60% of the box office take for the ENTIRE RUN of the film.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ScaredKitty 12/22/17 7:51:31 PM #82:	I don't think it's the director. It's because Star Wars is actually kind of annoying now. It's shoved in your face every day so of course people are sick of it. We didn't need a new movie literally every year. --- You got a PSG-1? You could use that against Albert Wesker. Hurry up, and save Jill! <cite>ScaredKitty posted [p:892709691] in Forbes: Th... [t:76126733]...</cite> <quote>I don't think it's the director. It's because Star Wars is actually kind of annoying now. It's shoved in your face every day so of course people are sick of it. We didn't need a new movie literally every year.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 12/22/17 7:52:56 PM #83:	It's far better than the prequels. God damn Star Wars nerds --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:892709747] in Forbes: Th... [t:76126733]...</cite> <quote>It's far better than the prequels. God damn Star Wars nerds</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
D-Lo_BrownTown 12/22/17 7:54:09 PM #84:	The thing is, this was never going to out do TFA. I doubt any Star Wars film in the future will greatly out-do TFA. TFA was an event that even non-Star Wars fans went to. Star Wars is just another thing now that they're coming out every year. Every casual normie I knew who was so hyped for TFA hasn't given a shit since. But, Disney is still fucking up if the rumors of them having no real grand plan for these films is true. --- https://i.imgtc.com/lYWecjF.jpg <cite>D-Lo_BrownTown posted [p:892709813] in Forbes: Th... [t:76126733]...</cite> <quote>The thing is, this was never going to out do TFA. I doubt any Star Wars film in the future will greatly out-do TFA. TFA was an event that even non-Star Wars fans went to. Star Wars is just another thing now that they're coming out every year. Every casual normie I knew who was so hyped for TFA hasn't given a shit since. But, Disney is still fucking up if the rumors of them having no real grand plan for these films is true.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
littlebro07 12/22/17 7:54:48 PM #85:	ScaredKitty posted... I don't think it's the director. It's because Star Wars is actually kind of annoying now. It's shoved in your face every day so of course people are sick of it. We didn't need a new movie literally every year. Yeah I feel the annual release schedule was a bad idea Which sucks because Rogue One was fucking awesome. But they could have done maybe two years in a row then one year off. --- http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb289/volcaitlin/gifs/dancning.gif <cite>littlebro07 posted [p:892709844] in Forbes: Th... [t:76126733]...</cite> <quote><cite>ScaredKitty posted...</cite> <quote>I don't think it's the director. It's because Star Wars is actually kind of annoying now. It's shoved in your face every day so of course people are sick of it. We didn't need a new movie literally every year.</quote> Yeah I feel the annual release schedule was a bad idea Which sucks because Rogue One was fucking awesome. But they could have done maybe two years in a row then one year off.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
D-Lo_BrownTown 12/22/17 7:59:11 PM #86:	The thing is, the oddball side movies should have been the films they give to directors to really sink their teeth into. Main episodes definitely should have been a comittee thing, or at least someone who had a grand vision of where things are going ala Kevin Fiege When you have JJ Abrams (maybe?) setting up shit like Snoke and Luke, and then the next guy decides to completely disregard all that shit, it feels super disjointed and like a waste of time. And this is coming from a guy who actually liked those elements. But I can understand why hardcore fans are pissed, and at the end of the fucking day hardcore fanboys are the ones who keep pushing Star Wars success I'm pretty sure, not casual movie goers or film critics. --- https://i.imgtc.com/lYWecjF.jpg <cite>D-Lo_BrownTown posted [p:892710039] in Forbes: Th... [t:76126733]...</cite> <quote>The thing is, the oddball side movies should have been the films they give to directors to really sink their teeth into. Main episodes definitely should have been a comittee thing, or at least someone who had a grand vision of where things are going ala Kevin Fiege When you have JJ Abrams (maybe?) setting up shit like Snoke and Luke, and then the next guy decides to completely disregard all that shit, it feels super disjointed and like a waste of time. And this is coming from a guy who actually liked those elements. But I can understand why hardcore fans are pissed, and at the end of the fucking day hardcore fanboys are the ones who keep pushing Star Wars success I'm pretty sure, not casual movie goers or film critics.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoctorVader 12/22/17 8:04:04 PM #87:	This is par for the course with Disney. They cycle through directors and shit over dumb reasons or don't do enough to keep something good, like Abrams. Looper wasn't that great, so I don't get why they picked Rian based off 3 episodes of Breaking Bad it seems. The movie itself was great. It was a great Star Wars Story. Because that's what it felt like. It was a horrible Star Wars Episode. Also they played Mark Hamill. I commend him for such dedication with the role when he completely disagreed with it. Whereas they gave into Harrison Ford's demand for TFA. Yeah, he has more star power, but when it comes to SW, Luke and Han were both important. I left TFA with a lot of hope. I really wanted to see all three together again, but that never happened, so I hoped at least TLJ would make up for it, but it didn't. I get why they're killing everyone off. The actors are old and they command the highest salaries. Disney wanted to sever that shit if their plan is possibly up to Episode 15 and beyond. The Luke, Han and Leia many wanted was meant for the ST if it happened in the 90s. It's too late for that and this is essentially the reboot. At this point, they only have to worry about cheap and small cameos with Mark Hamill for future movies. --- It all just disappears, doesn't it? Everything you are, gone in a moment, like breath on a mirror. - The Doctor <cite>DoctorVader posted [p:892710230] in Forbes: Th... [t:76126733]...</cite> <quote>This is par for the course with Disney. They cycle through directors and shit over dumb reasons or don't do enough to keep something good, like Abrams. Looper wasn't that great, so I don't get why they picked Rian based off 3 episodes of Breaking Bad it seems. The movie itself was great. It was a great Star Wars Story. Because that's what it felt like. It was a horrible Star Wars Episode. Also they played Mark Hamill. I commend him for such dedication with the role when he completely disagreed with it. Whereas they gave into Harrison Ford's demand for TFA. Yeah, he has more star power, but when it comes to SW, Luke and Han were both important. I left TFA with a lot of hope. I really wanted to see all three together again, but that never happened, so I hoped at least TLJ would make up for it, but it didn't. I get why they're killing everyone off. The actors are old and they command the highest salaries. Disney wanted to sever that shit if their plan is possibly up to Episode 15 and beyond. The Luke, Han and Leia many wanted was meant for the ST if it happened in the 90s. It's too late for that and this is essentially the reboot. At this point, they only have to worry about cheap and small cameos with Mark Hamill for future movies.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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