Current Events > Assume for the moment that you are vehemently pro-life

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You whole-heartedly believe that abortion is murder of an innocent, defenseless human being.

Why shouldn't you use armed force to kill abortion doctors, and physically prevent pregnant women from getting abortions?

Remember, everyone agrees the Civil War was just, and that only involved getting rid of slavery, which is arguably not as bad as ripping millions of babies to pieces.
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shitposters here will defend abortion
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence This already happens.

If I were strongly pro-life, my reasoning against killing/harming doctors would be that if I'm pro-life, that includes the life of those performing abortions. I wouldn't want them dead. I would want them to stop performing abortions.
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Assume for the moment that you are capable of making good topics.
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AlisLandale posted...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence

I know that such violence has occurred. My question is simply that if you assume the premises they assume, that abortion is murder, why are they wrong to use force to defend their beliefs?
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Callixtus posted...

You whole-heartedly belief

It's not my concern what you whole-heartedly "belief"
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You may want to delete this before mods see you're advocating murder
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Callixtus posted...

AlisLandale posted...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence

I know that such violence has occurred. My question is simply that if you assume the premises they assume, that abortion is murder, why are they wrong to use force to defend their beliefs?

There is nothing wrong with legally defending their beliefs. Hack doctors should be thrown in jail.
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JustMonika posted...

Callixtus posted...

You whole-heartedly belief

It's not my concern what you whole-heartedly "belief"

The Great Muta 22 posted...

You may want to delete this before mods see you're advocating murder

Are you people so dense that you assume that a person positing a hypothetical automatically subscribes to belief in that hypothetical.

All I did was put forth a position that some people hold in the world. Pitiful that you're so easily distracted.
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JustMonika posted...

Callixtus posted...

You whole-heartedly belief

It's not my concern what you whole-heartedly "belief"

The Great Muta 22 posted...

You may want to delete this before mods see you're advocating murder

Jesus You people don't know how to engage in any sort of discussion do you

Callixtus posted...

All I did was put forth a position that some people hold in the world. Pitiful that you're so easily distracted.

I'm just offering a fair warning before you get modded. Sorry bud, but calling for murder of fellow citizens tends to be frowned upon
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He's only hypothetically doing it so it's okay.
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AlisLandale posted...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence This already happens.

If I were strongly pro-life, my reasoning against killing/harming doctors would be that if I'm pro-life, that includes the life of those performing abortions. I wouldn't want them dead. I would want them to stop performing abortions.

This wtf
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i got too in-character and drowned in my minestrone

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJsj7PW_2ok
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Well Education and the other things support by the left had a better effect of lowing abortions.So I will follow their lead.
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I can't be that ridiculous.
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I'm vehemently pro-life but I don't agree with bombing abortion clinics or whatever.

The best way is education. Like showing people pictures of abortion's aftermath which is what some groups are already doing.
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MakoReizei posted...

The best way is education

MakoReizei posted...

Show people pictures of abortion's aftermath

huh

MakoReizei posted...

I'm vehemently pro-life but I don't agree with bombing abortion clinics or whatever.

The best way is education. Like showing people pictures of abortion's aftermath which is what some groups are already doing.

Education shouldn't make people dumber.
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what was wrong with what I said
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FrenchCrunch posted...

MakoReizei posted...

The best way is education

MakoReizei posted...

Show people pictures of abortion's aftermath

huh

"If you show people a dead fetus, then they'll know that abortion is wrong!"

You know, just how those gross cigarette ads make people stop smoking and seeing meat packing plants turns everyone vegan.
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MakoReizei posted...

what was wrong with what I said

You say education and then advocate for some dumb emotional appeal gambit. That's not education. It's politics.
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Wait, I'm against murder so I should murder? This topic makes no sense whatsoever.
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hockeybub89 posted...

MakoReizei posted...

what was wrong with what I said

You say education and then advocate for some dumb emotional appeal gambit. That's not education. It's politics.

So how about illustrations that show how one is performed?

I'd post one here but it's moddable.
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Mister_Spyker posted...

Assume for the moment that you are capable of making good topics.

I laughed too hard at this.
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MakoReizei posted...

what was wrong with what I said

my man how is that education

MakoReizei posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

MakoReizei posted...

what was wrong with what I said

You say education and then advocate for some dumb emotional appeal gambit. That's not education. It's politics.

So how about illustrations that show how one is performed?

I'd post one here but it's moddable.

That's dumb too. Pointing at gross things and saying "This is my argument against it" is not an argument. It's just emotional manipulation. Again, It's like pointing at a meat packing plants and calling it an argument for veganism. Or posting the long chemical names as an argument against GMOs.
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Callixtus posted...

You whole-heartedly believe that abortion is murder of an innocent, defenseless human being.

Why shouldn't you use armed force to kill abortion doctors, and physically prevent pregnant women from getting abortions?

Remember, everyone agrees the Civil War was just, and that only involved getting rid of slavery, which is arguably not as bad as ripping millions of babies to pieces.

Lets step back for a moment and talk about actual murder.

Suppose you've got a murderer that needs to be stopped. I will always support capturing that person alive if at all possible. Obviously, this isn't always possible, sometimes they kill themselves, and sometimes they endanger others to such a degree that live capture becomes too high risk, but if they could be captured, they should.

But above even that, I believe the murderer should turn himself in, nonviolently, and subject himself to proper due process.

You cannot stop death with more death.
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I got moderated twice for this. I probably wasn't too clear but mods assumed I was conservative somehow.
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Because vigilantism is wrong regardless of the circumstances. Using lobbying and outreach programs to gradually change society's stance on abortion is the only proper way to end it.
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Paragon21XX posted...

Because vigilantism is wrong regardless of the circumstances. Using lobbying and outreach programs to gradually change society's stance on abortion is the only proper way to end it.

Let's say it does change the laws. Do you support the death penalty from a court sentencing?
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Callixtus posted...

You whole-heartedly believe that abortion is murder of an innocent, defenseless human being.

Why shouldn't you use armed force to kill abortion doctors, and physically prevent pregnant women from getting abortions?

Remember, everyone agrees the Civil War was just, and that only involved getting rid of slavery, which is arguably not as bad as ripping millions of babies to pieces.

The Civil War was a war. Someone killing doctors who perform abortions is vigilantism.
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I would hope that a vehemently pro-life person would view killing a doctor as a hypocritical act.
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hockeybub89 posted...

FrenchCrunch posted...

MakoReizei posted...

The best way is education

MakoReizei posted...

Show people pictures of abortion's aftermath

huh

"If you show people a dead fetus, then they'll know that abortion is wrong!"

You know, just how those gross cigarette ads make people stop smoking and seeing meat packing plants turns everyone vegan.

It's even worse when you consider 90% of the times the photos aren't even aborted fetuses (fetii?), they're like miscarriages and stillbirths and shit.
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So you are against murder and will use murder to get ride of murder by murdering murderers?

You have become that which you hate. Those doctors are someone baby that wasnt aborted. You would be the doctor performing very late term abortions against the mothers wishes.
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ChromaticAngel posted...

Callixtus posted...

You whole-heartedly believe that abortion is murder of an innocent, defenseless human being.

Why shouldn't you use armed force to kill abortion doctors, and physically prevent pregnant women from getting abortions?

Remember, everyone agrees the Civil War was just, and that only involved getting rid of slavery, which is arguably not as bad as ripping millions of babies to pieces.

Lets step back for a moment and talk about actual murder.

Suppose you've got a murderer that needs to be stopped. I will always support capturing that person alive if at all possible. Obviously, this isn't always possible, sometimes they kill themselves, and sometimes they endanger others to such a degree that live capture becomes too high risk, but if they could be captured, they should.

But above even that, I believe the murderer should turn himself in, nonviolently, and subject himself to proper due process.

You cannot stop death with more death.

Wouldn't the argument be that you put fear into abortion doctors, and therefore less people sign up to do it, therefore abortion is decreased?

You have to recall that the legal regime is on the side of these doctors and people seeking abortions, so if all you do is physically impede them somehow, they'll quickly get right back to it, while you get sent off to jail, accomplishing nothing.

Also with regard to the notion that you cannot stop death with more death, I refer you to the Second World War, or how the best way to stop a madman on a shooting spree is to put a bullet in his head.
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Mistere Man posted...

So you are against murder and will use murder to get ride of murder by murdering murderers?

You have become that which you hate. Those doctors are someone baby that wasnt aborted. You would be the doctor performing very late term abortions against the mothers wishes.

Killing people in defense of innocents is justified all the time.

You are only protecting the rights of the babies to be born by taking the lives of those who have killed many people, from your perspective. If you sit on the sidelines, you are allowing millions of people to be killed without taking any real action to stop it.

Standing around protesting and chanting slogans is highly inadequate in the face of mass murder.
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This topic is just a shitshow.

Be wrong about more, please. It'll finally be farce.
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Paragon21XX posted...

Because vigilantism is wrong regardless of the circumstances. Using lobbying and outreach programs to gradually change society's stance on abortion is the only proper way to end it.

That is certainly a questionable position to hold. Aren't all armed uprisings in a way vigilantism? A government is failing to enforce the laws equitably, or the laws themselves are evil. So people correct that through violence. The American Revolution was in large part a war to enforce the rights Americans believed they were already entitled to as British subjects, but were denied. Armed revolution is acting outside the bounds of government on a mass scale.

It hardly seems more just merely because there were many revolutionaries, while those who attack abortion doctors are few.
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This topic is penis.
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Callixtus posted...

AlisLandale posted...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence

I know that such violence has occurred. My question is simply that if you assume the premises they assume, that abortion is murder, why are they wrong to use force to defend their beliefs?

What if someone believes killing animals is murder and starts a murder spree against hunters and people who consume meat? What if someone believes killing virtual people in video games is murder and so kill gamers? If you assume the premises they assume, that those are murder why are they wrong to use force to defend their beliefs?
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Not even Proudclad or P2E would've posted something this fucking stupid
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GiftedACIII posted...

Callixtus posted...

AlisLandale posted...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence

I know that such violence has occurred. My question is simply that if you assume the premises they assume, that abortion is murder, why are they wrong to use force to defend their beliefs?

What if someone believes killing animals is murder and starts a murder spree against hunters and people who consume meat? What if someone believes killing virtual people in video games is murder and so kill gamers? If you assume the premises they assume, that those are murder why are they wrong to use force to defend their beliefs?

Stay on topic.
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The amount of trolling in the place of critical thinking in this topic is hardly surprising. Just about what I'd expect on CE.
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Callixtus posted...

Paragon21XX posted...

Because vigilantism is wrong regardless of the circumstances. Using lobbying and outreach programs to gradually change society's stance on abortion is the only proper way to end it.

That is certainly a questionable position to hold. Aren't all armed uprisings in a way vigilantism? A government is failing to enforce the laws equitably, or the laws themselves are evil. So people correct that through violence. The American Revolution was in large part a war to enforce the rights Americans believed they were already entitled to as British subjects, but were denied. Armed revolution is acting outside the bounds of government on a mass scale.

It hardly seems more just merely because there were many revolutionaries, while those who attack abortion doctors are few.

There's a vast difference between vigilantism and a revolution. The former is always perpetrated by some self-righteous fucks that very few rally behind; the latter is the people's final cry against a government they no longer see as legitimate.
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Callixtus posted...

GiftedACIII posted...

Callixtus posted...

AlisLandale posted...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence

I know that such violence has occurred. My question is simply that if you assume the premises they assume, that abortion is murder, why are they wrong to use force to defend their beliefs?

What if someone believes killing animals is murder and starts a murder spree against hunters and people who consume meat? What if someone believes killing virtual people in video games is murder and so kill gamers? If you assume the premises they assume, that those are murder why are they wrong to use force to defend their beliefs?

Stay on topic.

This is on topic. It's the same thing with the same answer.
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KLouD_KoNNeCteD posted...

This topic is penis.

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