So you are against murder and will use murder to get ride of murder by murdering murderers?
You have become that which you hate. Those doctors are someone baby that wasnt aborted. You would be the doctor performing very late term abortions against the mothers wishes.
Killing people in defense of innocents is justified all the time.
You are only protecting the rights of the babies to be born by taking the lives of those who have killed many people, from your perspective. If you sit on the sidelines, you are allowing millions of people to be killed without taking any real action to stop it.
Standing around protesting and chanting slogans is highly inadequate in the face of mass murder.
And by killing you are just adding to those millions killed.
There is no justification for killing.
The doctors feel justified because they are enforcing the will/rights of the mother. You feel they are not justified so you feel justified because you are enforcing the will/rights of the baby. Either way someone ends up dead. And in the end someone will most likely think they are justified in stopping you from killing by killing you.
Protests not enough? Then dedicate your life to becoming someone that can change things without killing. Go to law school, become a congressperson, or a Supreme Court judge, or even the president. Heck become a governor and try and outlaw it in your state.
Start a movement show real reasons why it is bad not just think of the babies. And as this topic has asked dont be blinded by one side of things think about why the other side would be for it and try to find ways to address these concerns instead of attacking them. ---
Because vigilantism is wrong regardless of the circumstances. Using lobbying and outreach programs to gradually change society's stance on abortion is the only proper way to end it.
That is certainly a questionable position to hold. Aren't all armed uprisings in a way vigilantism? A government is failing to enforce the laws equitably, or the laws themselves are evil. So people correct that through violence. The American Revolution was in large part a war to enforce the rights Americans believed they were already entitled to as British subjects, but were denied. Armed revolution is acting outside the bounds of government on a mass scale.
It hardly seems more just merely because there were many revolutionaries, while those who attack abortion doctors are few.
There's a vast difference between vigilantism and a revolution. The former is always perpetrated by some self-righteous fucks that very few rally behind; the latter is the people's final cry against a government they no longer see as legitimate.
Your comments more accurately draw a distinction between vigilantism and successful revolutions. Your statement regarding vigilantes could very easily be applied to the many failed revolutionaries recorded throughout history. ---
It will be more bearable for Tyre and Sidon on the day of judgment than for you. | I did not come to bring peace to the earth, but the sword. -Jesus
So you are against murder and will use murder to get ride of murder by murdering murderers?
You have become that which you hate. Those doctors are someone baby that wasnt aborted. You would be the doctor performing very late term abortions against the mothers wishes.
Killing people in defense of innocents is justified all the time.
You are only protecting the rights of the babies to be born by taking the lives of those who have killed many people, from your perspective. If you sit on the sidelines, you are allowing millions of people to be killed without taking any real action to stop it.
Standing around protesting and chanting slogans is highly inadequate in the face of mass murder.
And by killing you are just adding to those millions killed.
There is no justification for killing.
The doctors feel justified because they are enforcing the will/rights of the mother. You feel they are not justified so you feel justified because you are enforcing the will/rights of the baby. Either way someone ends up dead. And in the end someone will most likely think they are justified in stopping you from killing by killing you.
Protests not enough? Then dedicate your life to becoming someone that can change things without killing. Go to law school, become a congressperson, or a Supreme Court judge, or even the president. Heck become a governor and try and outlaw it in your state.
Start a movement show real reasons why it is bad not just think of the babies. And as this topic has asked dont be blinded by one side of things think about why the other side would be for it and try to find ways to address these concerns instead of attacking them.
That hardly seems to deal with the notion that people are being killed in your midst. I'm sure people that commit violence against abortion doctors see themselves as akin to John Brown and his raiders. While politicians sat around in Congress arguing over the question of slavery, people were actually being enslaved and treated like animals. To sit around and wait for people to talk the issue out is to be an accessory to murder.
John Brown saw that violence was the only way to end the atrocity of slavery. History vindicated him, did it not? ---
It will be more bearable for Tyre and Sidon on the day of judgment than for you. | I did not come to bring peace to the earth, but the sword. -Jesus
Why shouldn't you use armed force to kill abortion doctors, and physically prevent pregnant women from getting abortions?
Logically, because you'll go to jail.
Morally, I can't see someone in this situation successfully convincing me that it was morally consistent for them to murder people who perform abortion but somehow what they are doing is justified. I suppose if you believe that you should be punished under the full extent of the law it's a little different. ---
Why shouldn't you use armed force to kill abortion doctors, and physically prevent pregnant women from getting abortions?
Logically, because you'll go to jail.
Morally, I can't see someone in this situation successfully convincing me that it was morally consistent for them to murder people who perform abortion but somehow what they are doing is justified. I suppose if you believe that you should be punished under the full extent of the law it's a little different.
Choosing not to prevent murder, because you'll go to jail is a terrible excuse not to do so.
There's a reason fear of punishment is on Kohlberg's lowest rung of the ladder of moral development. ---
It will be more bearable for Tyre and Sidon on the day of judgment than for you. | I did not come to bring peace to the earth, but the sword. -Jesus
So you are against murder and will use murder to get ride of murder by murdering murderers?
You have become that which you hate. Those doctors are someone baby that wasnt aborted. You would be the doctor performing very late term abortions against the mothers wishes.
Killing people in defense of innocents is justified all the time.
You are only protecting the rights of the babies to be born by taking the lives of those who have killed many people, from your perspective. If you sit on the sidelines, you are allowing millions of people to be killed without taking any real action to stop it.
Standing around protesting and chanting slogans is highly inadequate in the face of mass murder.
And by killing you are just adding to those millions killed.
There is no justification for killing.
The doctors feel justified because they are enforcing the will/rights of the mother. You feel they are not justified so you feel justified because you are enforcing the will/rights of the baby. Either way someone ends up dead. And in the end someone will most likely think they are justified in stopping you from killing by killing you.
Protests not enough? Then dedicate your life to becoming someone that can change things without killing. Go to law school, become a congressperson, or a Supreme Court judge, or even the president. Heck become a governor and try and outlaw it in your state.
Start a movement show real reasons why it is bad not just think of the babies. And as this topic has asked dont be blinded by one side of things think about why the other side would be for it and try to find ways to address these concerns instead of attacking them.
That hardly seems to deal with the notion that people are being killed in your midst. I'm sure people that commit violence against abortion doctors are akin to John Brown and his raiders. While people sat around in Congress arguing over the question of slavery, people were actually being enslaved and treated like animals. To sit around and wait for people to talk the issue out is to be an accessory to murder.
John Brown saw that violence was the only way to end the atrocity of slavery. History vindicated him, did it not?
His actions lead to the civil war which cost at least 620,000 people their lives. Violence only leads to more violence, and to outright commit murder makes you a murderer not just an accessory to it. It is not some noble thing you are doing even if in your mind it is. The law is on the doctors side not yours so in the civil war you would be the south fighting for what you believe is right when in fact it is not. There is no right side here only grey areas as even just letting every baby be born is not a good thing as that can quickly lead to over population issues in the future. ---
Why shouldn't you use armed force to kill abortion doctors, and physically prevent pregnant women from getting abortions?
Logically, because you'll go to jail.
Morally, I can't see someone in this situation successfully convincing me that it was morally consistent for them to murder people who perform abortion but somehow what they are doing is justified. I suppose if you believe that you should be punished under the full extent of the law it's a little different.
Choosing not to prevent murder, because you'll go to jail is a terrible excuse not to do so.
There's a reason fear of punishment is on Kohlberg's lowest rung of the ladder of moral development.
You arent preventing murder just changing the target in an attempt to prevent future murder, but this will just lead to mothers finding less safe, and often more horrible ways to lose the babies. ---
So you are against murder and will use murder to get ride of murder by murdering murderers?
You have become that which you hate. Those doctors are someone baby that wasnt aborted. You would be the doctor performing very late term abortions against the mothers wishes.
Killing people in defense of innocents is justified all the time.
You are only protecting the rights of the babies to be born by taking the lives of those who have killed many people, from your perspective. If you sit on the sidelines, you are allowing millions of people to be killed without taking any real action to stop it.
Standing around protesting and chanting slogans is highly inadequate in the face of mass murder.
And by killing you are just adding to those millions killed.
There is no justification for killing.
The doctors feel justified because they are enforcing the will/rights of the mother. You feel they are not justified so you feel justified because you are enforcing the will/rights of the baby. Either way someone ends up dead. And in the end someone will most likely think they are justified in stopping you from killing by killing you.
Protests not enough? Then dedicate your life to becoming someone that can change things without killing. Go to law school, become a congressperson, or a Supreme Court judge, or even the president. Heck become a governor and try and outlaw it in your state.
Start a movement show real reasons why it is bad not just think of the babies. And as this topic has asked dont be blinded by one side of things think about why the other side would be for it and try to find ways to address these concerns instead of attacking them.
That hardly seems to deal with the notion that people are being killed in your midst. I'm sure people that commit violence against abortion doctors are akin to John Brown and his raiders. While people sat around in Congress arguing over the question of slavery, people were actually being enslaved and treated like animals. To sit around and wait for people to talk the issue out is to be an accessory to murder.
John Brown saw that violence was the only way to end the atrocity of slavery. History vindicated him, did it not?
His actions lead to the civil war which cost at least 620,000 people their lives. Violence only leads to more violence, and to outright commit murder makes you a murderer not just an accessory to it. It is not some noble thing you are doing even if in your mind it is. The law is on the doctors side not yours so in the civil war you would be the south fighting for what you believe is right when in fact it is not. There is no right side here only grey areas as even just letting every baby be born is not a good thing as that can quickly lead to over population issues in the future.
The Civil War was easily worth every one of those lives if the alternative was that black people would be enslaved for the foreseeable future. Do you disagree? There was no middle ground. ---
It will be more bearable for Tyre and Sidon on the day of judgment than for you. | I did not come to bring peace to the earth, but the sword. -Jesus
Why shouldn't you use armed force to kill abortion doctors, and physically prevent pregnant women from getting abortions?
Logically, because you'll go to jail.
Morally, I can't see someone in this situation successfully convincing me that it was morally consistent for them to murder people who perform abortion but somehow what they are doing is justified. I suppose if you believe that you should be punished under the full extent of the law it's a little different.
Choosing not to prevent murder, because you'll go to jail is a terrible excuse not to do so.
There's a reason fear of punishment is on Kohlberg's lowest rung of the ladder of moral development.
You arent preventing murder just changing the target in an attempt to prevent future murder, but this will just lead to mothers finding less safe, and often more horrible ways to lose the babies.
Now that's an interesting argument, but I still think it's flawed from the viewpoint of the abortion doctor assassin.
They would probably say that if they ignited a revolution of sorts in the law against abortion doctors, then the laws would finally be aligned with justice. People will always commit evil acts like murder. But the fact that women will commit murder regardless of whether it is legal or not is not a justification to allow them to commit infanticide. Their lives, by all rights, should be considered forfeited regardless. ---
It will be more bearable for Tyre and Sidon on the day of judgment than for you. | I did not come to bring peace to the earth, but the sword. -Jesus
You whole-heartedly believe that abortion is murder of an innocent, defenseless human being.
Why shouldn't you use armed force to kill abortion doctors, and physically prevent pregnant women from getting abortions?
Remember, everyone agrees the Civil War was just, and that only involved getting rid of slavery, which is arguably not as bad as ripping millions of babies to pieces.
This is the same guy trying to convince CE he will be a lawyer in 1.5 years...lmao ---
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So you are against murder and will use murder to get ride of murder by murdering murderers?
You have become that which you hate. Those doctors are someone baby that wasnt aborted. You would be the doctor performing very late term abortions against the mothers wishes.
Killing people in defense of innocents is justified all the time.
You are only protecting the rights of the babies to be born by taking the lives of those who have killed many people, from your perspective. If you sit on the sidelines, you are allowing millions of people to be killed without taking any real action to stop it.
Standing around protesting and chanting slogans is highly inadequate in the face of mass murder.
And by killing you are just adding to those millions killed.
There is no justification for killing.
The doctors feel justified because they are enforcing the will/rights of the mother. You feel they are not justified so you feel justified because you are enforcing the will/rights of the baby. Either way someone ends up dead. And in the end someone will most likely think they are justified in stopping you from killing by killing you.
Protests not enough? Then dedicate your life to becoming someone that can change things without killing. Go to law school, become a congressperson, or a Supreme Court judge, or even the president. Heck become a governor and try and outlaw it in your state.
Start a movement show real reasons why it is bad not just think of the babies. And as this topic has asked dont be blinded by one side of things think about why the other side would be for it and try to find ways to address these concerns instead of attacking them.
That hardly seems to deal with the notion that people are being killed in your midst. I'm sure people that commit violence against abortion doctors are akin to John Brown and his raiders. While people sat around in Congress arguing over the question of slavery, people were actually being enslaved and treated like animals. To sit around and wait for people to talk the issue out is to be an accessory to murder.
John Brown saw that violence was the only way to end the atrocity of slavery. History vindicated him, did it not?
His actions lead to the civil war which cost at least 620,000 people their lives. Violence only leads to more violence, and to outright commit murder makes you a murderer not just an accessory to it. It is not some noble thing you are doing even if in your mind it is. The law is on the doctors side not yours so in the civil war you would be the south fighting for what you believe is right when in fact it is not. There is no right side here only grey areas as even just letting every baby be born is not a good thing as that can quickly lead to over population issues in the future.
The Civil War was easily worth every one of those lives if the alternative was that black people would be enslaved for the foreseeable future. Do you disagree? There was no middle ground.
There were already plans to get ride of slavery so what if instead of 620,000 lives over 4 years it was passed peacefully in 5-6?
We will never know.
Sorry my tablet is very screwy since last update. ---
So you are against murder and will use murder to get ride of murder by murdering murderers?
You have become that which you hate. Those doctors are someone baby that wasnt aborted. You would be the doctor performing very late term abortions against the mothers wishes.
Killing people in defense of innocents is justified all the time.
You are only protecting the rights of the babies to be born by taking the lives of those who have killed many people, from your perspective. If you sit on the sidelines, you are allowing millions of people to be killed without taking any real action to stop it.
Standing around protesting and chanting slogans is highly inadequate in the face of mass murder.
And by killing you are just adding to those millions killed.
There is no justification for killing.
The doctors feel justified because they are enforcing the will/rights of the mother. You feel they are not justified so you feel justified because you are enforcing the will/rights of the baby. Either way someone ends up dead. And in the end someone will most likely think they are justified in stopping you from killing by killing you.
Protests not enough? Then dedicate your life to becoming someone that can change things without killing. Go to law school, become a congressperson, or a Supreme Court judge, or even the president. Heck become a governor and try and outlaw it in your state.
Start a movement show real reasons why it is bad not just think of the babies. And as this topic has asked dont be blinded by one side of things think about why the other side would be for it and try to find ways to address these concerns instead of attacking them.
That hardly seems to deal with the notion that people are being killed in your midst. I'm sure people that commit violence against abortion doctors are akin to John Brown and his raiders. While people sat around in Congress arguing over the question of slavery, people were actually being enslaved and treated like animals. To sit around and wait for people to talk the issue out is to be an accessory to murder.
John Brown saw that violence was the only way to end the atrocity of slavery. History vindicated him, did it not?
His actions lead to the civil war which cost at least 620,000 people their lives. Violence only leads to more violence, and to outright commit murder makes you a murderer not just an accessory to it. It is not some noble thing you are doing even if in your mind it is. The law is on the doctors side not yours so in the civil war you would be the south fighting for what you believe is right when in fact it is not. There is no right side here only grey areas as even just letting every baby be born is not a good thing as that can quickly lead to over population issues in the future.
The Civil War was easily worth every one of those lives if the alternative was that black people would be enslaved for the foreseeable future. Do you disagree? There was no middle ground.
There were already plans to get ride of silvery so what if instead of 620,000 lives over 4 years it was passed peacefully in 5-6?
We will never know.
There is no reason to believe the South would vote away slavery in half a decade when they spent hundreds of thousands of lives defending it and their economy was based on it.. Don't be obtuse. ---
It will be more bearable for Tyre and Sidon on the day of judgment than for you. | I did not come to bring peace to the earth, but the sword. -Jesus
Ok maybe not 5 years but still not everyone in the south was pro slavery maybe had word gotten out on why it was bad more people could have been moved get it outlawed in the south.
Heck not so long ago it was justified to hate on gays even kill them as the church said it was a sin like abortion, and now it is outlawed and gays are even accepted by many churches.
Things can change without killing it just takes time.
If killing changed things so well the Middle East would have solved all its problems a long time ago. If anything it just made more problems.
You say to sit by is to be an accessory? Imo it is only if you do nothing as you cant save everyone as their are people starving here, or being aborted there. You have to pick your battles, and do what you can, but you never want to become that which you despise as it sullies the meaning of what you are doing.
I mean you can stop everything from dying ever again if you kill off all life, but that doesn't make it a good choice.
If you wish to become the monster that is on you/the individual and yes some will praise them as a hero. Heck most of histories monsters have fans/followers. Isnt twitter banning such people that insight violence against others as a justified solution?
As for me I will fight the way I believe is right, and to become that which I hate makes me a hypocrite imo, so I will do anything for a cause I love, but I just wont do that. (Meatloaf reference). ---
Why shouldn't you use armed force to kill abortion doctors, and physically prevent pregnant women from getting abortions?
Logically, because you'll go to jail.
Morally, I can't see someone in this situation successfully convincing me that it was morally consistent for them to murder people who perform abortion but somehow what they are doing is justified. I suppose if you believe that you should be punished under the full extent of the law it's a little different.
Choosing not to prevent murder, because you'll go to jail is a terrible excuse not to do so.
There's a reason fear of punishment is on Kohlberg's lowest rung of the ladder of moral development.
I'm not saying it's moral, I'm saying that it's probably the reason that most people don't do it. ---
