Board 8 > Gauntlet Crew Ranks Bourne Movies: We're always watching.

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Ever wanted to know what we thought of the JB spy that isn't Bond? Never get tired of police officers conspicuously chasing one man who clearly is the criminal, not that guy robbing a bank? Always wanting to watch a movie where the camera man has Parkinson's Disease? You're not in the right place. But come join us anyway.

Reminder that there can always be unmarked spoilers in writeups, if you have a good memory to that sort of thing.

Participants:
Inviso
Johnbobb
JONA
Karo
scarlet
Snake
Wickle

Movies:
The Bourne Identity
The Bourne Supremacy
The Bourne Ultimatum
The Bourne Legacy
Jason Bourne
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WickIebee posted...

Ever wanted to know what we thought of the JB spy that isn't Bond?

Inviso, we're ranking 24!

Tag
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Enjoy calculating this thing. Our rankings by the value.

11
12
22
27
33
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Judging from comments, I feel like I'm gonna be the only one here to actually have positive write-ups for these.
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WickIebee posted...

Always wanting to watch a movie where the camera man has Parkinson's Disease?

ah ha ha
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Snake5555555555 posted...

Judging from comments, I feel like I'm gonna be the only one here to actually have positive write-ups for these.

Nope. You and me both, bucko. Let's ride into the abyss of being Bourne fans together, like Butch Cassidy and the Snakedance Kid.
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more like gauntlet crew ranks bore movies
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2 >1 >3 if i remember right but its been a long time. Haven't seen the rest.

33 means at LEAST 5 people ranked whatever movie it is dead last. Makes me feel confident in cutting my least favorite early.
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My ones remaining:

1. ???
2. ???
3. ???
4. ???
5. ???

pretty solid top 5 overall
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I think ??? should've been higher, personally.
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I hope the one with the silly and unbelievable government conspiracy in it wins
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5. The Bourne Legacy - 33 points

Johnbobb - 3
Karo - 5
Inviso - 5
Wickle - 5
JONA - 5
Scarlet - 5
Snake - 5

Johnbobb - Its hard putting this one among the other four, because its BARELY a Bourne movie. Like, it really strikes me more like they wanted to make a political action thriller, and then just sort of threw the name Bourne on there to sell it as part of the franchise. Its not a bad film though. The overall cast is great. While Renner is excellent, I also feel like he doesnt NEED to carry the film like Matt Damon often needed to in the trilogy. The story is interesting, and really my biggest qualm was the runtime. Its longer than anything from the trilogy by a good bit, and it really doesnt feel like it needs to be. I paused it briefly an hour and a half in, thinking it must be about to end, only to see there was an entire hour still left.

Karo - Bourne you say? I'm sorry, but our agent is in another castle. The character of Jason Bourne literally does not appear in a film with his name on it except in silhouette or photograph. We have a brand new main character who is like some wild mountain man or whatever.
The first half of the film is a confusing mess involving a mishmash of characters with little connection to each other plus some replaying of scenes from the last movie. When we hit the midway point, it begins to feel like an actual Bourne movie, albeit a rather poor one.
So there apparently is ANOTHER secret supersoldier project besides Treadstone and Blackbriar, that the new protagonist is part of. Jesus Christ this is getting fucking ridiculous.
Anyway the evil CIA people shut down the program by poisoning all the operatives with pills, and the main character escapes because he was in Alaska wrestling wolves for some reason that was never really explained.
This leaves him as the last operative left, no wait there was the guy who fought him at the end of the movie that they didnt kill for some reason.
If someone's legacy is this mess, they should be in fucking tears.

Inviso - Thiswas NOT a good follow-up to a trilogy that felt like it had a solid ending. For starters, Jason Bourne felt like a quality character. He was a super-soldier with amnesia, trying to get away from a life he had no real recollection of. Thats not Aaron Cross. With Aaron Cross, we get this smarmy douchebag whos still just as skilled as Jason, but with none of the sweetness or charm of his predecessor. Thats the same across the board. The Washington bureaucrats feel soulless and robotic. The enemy super soldier feels tacked on to appear in the last ten minutes before being easily defeated. Its definitely a film trying to capitalize on the success of the previous movies, with none of the same charm.

Wickle - Honestly, this wouldnt have been that bad of a standalone film with maybe a better plot point for Rachel Weiszs character. As the story went, we had a few connections with Bourne Ultimatum, first was timing sequence, we saw Aaron surviving through harsh climatic conditions during all of the scenes towards the beginning of Ultimatum, a couple more connections to that movie at the end with the one dude in court and trying to state his innocence. Outside of that, it doesnt feel like theres much to connect between Aaron Crosss side and Jason Bournes. Like sure, Bournes name was carved into the cabin, but he didnt have those pills, he had a different program. The personality reconstruction stuff, not a slight attempt at making the Captain America serum. Some pieces would make sense, but unless the 5th movie really connected all of that, itd just be not that much.

JONA - So god damn long and boring. Cool to see The Philippines though.
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Scarlet - Rating: 42/100
By far the worst installment in the Bourne franchise, the film is overly long and convoluted, despite using such a mind-numbingly simple premise. Jeremy Renner just lacks the same intensity of Damon, and furthermore a Bourne film without a Bourne feels very much like an also-ran. Imagine if they made a season of 24 without Jack Bauer. Oh wait. They did. And it was about as bad as this Bourne-less Identity.

Snake - Jeremy Renner is definitely no Bourne replacement, but he gives it an earnest try. The sci-fi drugs were an unnessary twist to an otherwise realistic world and the film plays as a clichefest that feels like a Bourne copycat rather than a true entry in the franchise. It lacks the touches of Paul Greengrass and settles for flat, boring action that just feels deriative here. Renner couldve phoned it in and I wouldnt have blamed him; bad screenwriting and directing basically make this film dead in the water.
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Congrats to Johnbobb for winning outlier right after being last in it.
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Ah right, here's your outlier, sure.

Johnbobb- 2
Everyone else- 0
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fuck yeah 1st place
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curious as to whether everyone would feel the same if this didn't have the name "Bourne" in the title

I'm not saying it's great but I don't think it's necessarily worse than the average non-Bourne political thriller, which is basically what this was.
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Johnbobb posted...

curious as to whether everyone would feel the same if this didn't have the name "Bourne" in the title

I'm not saying it's great but I don't think it's necessarily worse than the average non-Bourne political thriller, which is basically what this was.

I consider the Daniel Craig Bond films to be extensions of the Bourne franchise, and I'm just not a huge fan of most of them either. Craig and Renner just lack the proper charm to pull off this type of character.
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Johnbobb posted...

curious as to whether everyone would feel the same if this didn't have the name "Bourne" in the title

I'm not saying it's great but I don't think it's necessarily worse than the average non-Bourne political thriller, which is basically what this was.

I kinda make mention that I'd possibly have liked the movie if we cut out the Bourne aspect to it, all the flashes to Ultimatum and Treadstone/other similar stuff basically. Then just pull apart Rachel Weisz's character. Her banshee shriek doesn't help me like any characters she plays as. Replace the Ultimatum flashes with maybe a bit more to do with other agents, like showing us what happened to the guy from the cabin. I don't think his fate is really spoken of.
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Yeah I agree with that.

I'm fine with the idea of a Bourne movie without Bourne in it (which was a fitting name, because it was really about the society Bourne had left more than about him himself)

but the flashbacks were wasted filler time in an overlong movie that definitely didn't need it

If they had trimmed for time quite a bit more and let the movie stand on it's own a little more it could've been really decent
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Johnbobb posted...

If they had trimmed for time quite a bit more and let the movie stand on it's own a little more it could've been really decent

If they had trimmed for time, it would have been a great Pixar short.
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they didn't need to trim time from the movies, they needed to trim movies from the series
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4. The Jason Bourne - 27 points (spoiler because the the doesn't actually exist)

Wickle - 3
Karo - 4
Inviso - 4
JONA - 4
Johnbobb - 4
Scarlet - 4
Snake - 4

Wickle - I thought about my placement for this movie, and honestly it made me realize that this series as a whole was pretty bad for a few reasons. Ill probably chat about it once the rankings are over. But Ill start on this movie. One, Jeremy Renner had other things that he was filming so probably the main problem with Legacy continues to exist because they had to write Aaron Cross out of this movie. Second, killing Nicky Parsons made me debate moving this movie to second, because it killed one of the biggest things of the giant loophole between movies two and three about not forcing a they were lovers storyline prior to Webb joining Treadstone. My main problem, however, is how similar this movie is overall to movies 2-3. Girl and guy want to take over Bourne, girl wants him captured, guy wants him killed. Guy sees opportunity when a capture fails to order a kill call, the kill call fails too. Girl then acts separate from guy and helps Bourne because she wants the guy to fail and be removed. Only difference is how the guy is removed. First one commits suicide, second gets burnt and possibly is in jail, this movie never goes back to the people from the other movie, so who knows, third is shot by girl. It then leaves a cliffhanger that ends up hinging on whether or not Damon wants to continue this trainwreck of a movie series.

Karo - Opting for a simpler title after 'The Bourne Redundancy' didnt test well with focus groups, Bourne is back and more unnecessary than ever. There are still evil CIA people trying to kill him, still more clandestine black ops training programs yet to be exposed, still many automobiles being smashed to pieces.
There is literally nothing you could get out of this movie that you couldnt find in the first three, unless you are really really interested in Bourne's dull past. It just feels like going through the motions at this point.
The primary antagonist of the series does finally meet his end, but is anything actually really resolved? Of course not, we need to make five more movies.

Inviso - This movie is basically the same deal as Supremacy, only far more unnecessary. I know a lot of these movies hit similar plot points, but godDAMN did this one hit some similar plot points. Bourne is off doing his own thing. Hes completely out of the game. Some dumb bullshit drags him back and a new woman at the CIA wants to bring him in. His female companion from the last film was brought back just to be sacrificed and spur him into giving a shit. And theres a lengthy car chase to end the film (although for once, Bourne is chasing instead of being chased.) Theres a lot wrong with this though. After Supremacy and Ultimatum both made a big deal out of amnesia revelations, Jason rewinds even further to tell MORE backstory.

Apparently Jasons FATHER was the mastermind behind Treadstone. And despite like, HALF the U.S. government getting indicted over the course of the previous four films, theres STILL a new guy in charge who, surprise surprise, was RUNNING TREADSTONE AT THE FUCKING BEGINNING. Its just lazy-ass writing, and Jason should be thankful that I hate Aaron Cross enough to not rank this one last.

JONA - Man, who knew Jason's father Evan started it all?
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Johnbobb - Oh look they killed his love interest at the beginning of the movie AGAIN! THATS A NEW IDEA WE HAVENT SEEN BEFORE. And really, thats kind of what most of this movie boils down to. Its more of what weve seen in the last four. The whole protection v. privacy argument was relevant, sure, but it came across WAY too heavy handed here. However, while the story didnt thrill me, the action definitely did. The car chases here were some of the best weve seen, and its obvious how the effects have improved over time. So with excellent action but unintuitive story, this one just barely stays out of last for me.

Scarlet - Rating: 52/100
Everything in Jason Bourne lacks heft and weight. The action is fine, but the plot is a nonentity, and the characters are very one-dimensional. The wind has gone out of the sails of the Bourne franchise here, and although the parts are still functioning, some of the soul of the series is missing here.

Snake - While its good to see Damon back, this felt like a largely unnessary sequel much like Legacy. It still has good action when it needs to, but I didnt find the storyline this time nearly as gripping as the original trilogy. Tommy Lee Jones is so flat here and I cant stand when hes on screen. It lacks the creative spark the original trilogy had in spades, adding unnessary details to Bournes past that feel so uninspired. You may get some mileage out of the action, but otherwise its completely skippable.
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The Jason Bourne?
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The Jack Bauer

Wait.
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I haven't actually seen anything but the first three and if this topic is any indication I wasn't missing much.
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Bourne Legacy isn't bad as a standalone, and honestly Jason Bourne is kinda good if you just... Don't watch it back to back with the other films.
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Well I haven't watched the other films recently so good to know if I ever want to get around to watching em, don't watch the others first.
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Like, the real problem as you can see, is redundancy. So if you don't care about repeating plot lines or really stare at it, it's fine. But if you do, you want to forget as much of what's repeating at the time of watching that movie.
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Yeah

Unfortunately some of the repetitive stuff said in the write-ups is some of the more memorable stuff of the first 3 films so it may never be truly pure but you know, every bit helps.

I probably would be more forgiving in Legacy in general cause yeah it doesn't even have Bourne in it-- I didn't realize Hawkeye was the main. Now I kinda wanna go watch it.
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3. The Bourne Supremacy - 22 pts

Wickle - 2
Karo - 3
Inviso - 3
JONA - 3
Scarlet - 3
Snake - 3
Johnbobb - 5

Wickle - Okay, so first we changed the actress for Marie just so she could die. Then we have Bourne scaring the one girl from the first movie, and the most boring reveal on who the villain was ever. I did like a few lines from this movie though, especially no, you killed her when you entered her life. Not as good of fights as the first movie and it was simply a minor plot. And once again they kind of closed out nicely with him going to the daughter of the people he killed in his first mission, and having all people that were chasing him taken out. Oh right, and that last moment at the end was kinda funny, with you should go home and rest, you look tired. Okay fine, they actually didnt change the actress for Marie, she just looked really different.

Karo - Bourne has nearly been forgotten about until evil government or oil company people or whatever frame Bourne for a murder and shoot his girlfriend on top of that, so Bourne has to go kick all their asses.
Yes, once again we have idiot villains who decide to provoke a master assassin for no real reason other than 'we need a story for this movie'.
Petty much it is the same thing as the first one, Bourne gets chased around Europe by the CIA and drives up many auto insurance premiums.
This leads up to an ending with basically no closure or resolution, be sure to tune in next time for another exciting episode of Jason Bourne Z!

Inviso - Yeah, this oneyou can DEFINITELY tell its a sequel, and I dont mean its use of pre-existing characters or anything like that. No, the original film felt fresh. Guy wakes up with amnesia and it turns out hes a former spy/assassin with no idea whats going on. This movie felt like it was just trying to hit the same beats (fisticuffs, fighting an assassin, car chase in a shitty vehicle) without necessarily making the story as compelling. Sure, they added some backstory about Bournes first ever mission, but I didnt care all that much. Its not bad, its just more of the same, with the sole exception of Pam Landy, who I found an enjoyable CTU Director.

JONA - Treadstones, kill the Treadstones
They're the modern hitman family
From the damn CIA
They're secret and not in history

Let's kill Bourne's girlfriend down the street
With a gun that kills in her car seat

When you're with the Treadstones
Have a thrilly-killy-crew time
A killy-crew time
We'll have a slay old time

Scarlet - Rating: 71/100
While Identity was establishing an Identity and Ultimatum was bringing an end crashing down around the Treadstone Trilogy, Supremacy was in a bit of a holding pattern. On the surface the flair of action and drama was fantastic, but beneath the surface, there was very little of substance. Still, if audiences only expected more of the same, they were rewarded in spades.

Snake - Its a good sequel, one that grows Bournes character a little more bringing out more aspects to Damons performance. Its a little more dialogue-heavy and I felt like it globe-trotted a bit more than necessary, but otherwise it remains as gripping as the rest of the trilogy. This does have the best car chase of the series though.

Johnbobb - I cant say this movie worked as well as the first, and that was mostly because it was more of the same. I didnt like them killing Marie off so quick, especially with her role in Identity so recent in my mind. Still, when it works, it really works. The thing I end up thinking of the most here is Bournes confession at the end. It was straightforward and to the point, and I think thats what made it so powerful. My biggest qualm with the movie though is that it doesnt stand on its own like the first one did.
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JONA didn't do a song write-up in the last list!
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scarletspeed7 posted...

JONA didn't do a song write-up in the last list!

shhhhh
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Whoops, the topic purged.

Yeah, I thought so. This could interest me more in this case... But from your perspective, not a world view... What was the gang doing that the swat infiltrated doing? And what exactly were they? Something like the chemical room, for example. What is going on in there from your country view?

I can accept the fact that there's a cultural difference that answers some of the questions that I was missing, and is simply common sense to anyone in the country. Still not really gonna accept that essentially the killed hostages from the start of the movie were never mentioned again unless subs never picked up a conversation that they did, even though it was pretty clear that was what the mission was.

Asking an Indonesian is the best course to answering those, and you're here.

Well, it's highly fictionalized of course, but without consulting the internet for the director's vision of what it really was, and going by my memory of the film...I say it's a criminal den that's basically a safe house for all kinds of illegal activities. The chemical room was for production of drugs.

Of course, it's not like I know for sure places like that in real life, but from what the movie presented, I didn't have to suspend my belief at all that a place like that could potentially exist here.
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Thanks for that reply. I was kind of trying to find a "it's not directed towards a foreign audience" type attitude that'd give me a little leeway on my attitude to the film, but it seems it's not even built to be something obvious even to the citizens of its country of origin. You have speculations and would need to read the director's words to understand his vision... Which to me... is a pretty awful film. Ah well, now focusing on the topic of Bourne again.
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Rather than awful, I think it's more that Indonesians would know it's quite highly fictional just for the sake of Rule of Cool, but it's presented in such a realistic way that it might not seem that way to outsiders.
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2. The Bourne Ultimatum - 12

Karo - 1
JONA - 1
Johnbobb - 1
Scarlet - 1
Inviso - 2
Snake - 2
Wickle - 4

Karo - After getting more blurry cell phone videos from Guantanamo Bay playing in his head, Bourne decides to go on the offensive to find out about his past.
For the first time in the series the CIA people being after him doesnt feel like the contrived nonsense of 'we've gotta kill him because reasons', rather now Bourne has gone out of his way to provoke them and put himself on their radar.
It is the most well put together entry of the Bourne formula, complete with a decent enough ending that SHOULD have been the end of the franchise but I guess Hollywood execs needed a few more solid gold yachts.

JONA - Has the most exciting shit happen, I guess. Don't trust me, I have no credibility or emotional stake in this series.

Johnbobb - Oh Jason, what have you gotten yourself into this time? I gotta say, Im really digging Bourne here. While Identity was largely Bourne scrambling to survive, here I think we really see him coming into his own as an action hero. Hes still on the run and trying to survive, sure, but hes also smarter and more confident. Watching him outsmart the CIA was thrilling and fun. The whole thing just feels another level of impressive from a technical standpoint, with everything coming across smooth and fast-paced.

Scarlet - Rating: 78/100
The conceit of the film clearly wont be resolved by the films end, but instead audiences are exposed to a treat the first part of a decidedly bleak and gritty tale that has a tinge of Shakespearean tragedy to it. Damon, while competent in his role, really is bolstered by the phenomenal performances of the cast around him, including a brief but excellent action sequence with Clive Owen. The peak of the film is the innovative car chase sequence that was the first of its kind.

Inviso - Ultimatum is similar to Supremacy in that its clearly a sequel, and feels hard to get into if you havent seen the original films. Hell, a scene from the end of Supremacy reappears in Ultimatum due to weird time shenanigans. But while Supremacy feels more like a linking film between the beginning and end, Ultimatum feels more complete. The revelations about Jasons backstory feel more earned, because they feel more integral to the plot (as opposed to just randomly being thrown in for conspiracy purposes). Other than that though, it feels very similar to the other two films in the trilogy, with the sole exception of it being pretty badass that Jason tricked an entire government agency into letting him steal secrets from their headquarters.

Snake - A perfect capper on what shouldve been the last in the Bourne franchise. Most intense action of the franchise combined with a more straightforward story for the franchise makes this the most accessible of the series, but Ultimatum doesnt sacrifice any craft or character in the process. In fact, I think some characters here truly come into their own, like Nicky Parsons. I like the initial scenes of evading the police and Bourne vs. Desh is the stand-out for me. Its edge-of-your-seat, non-stop excitement.

Wickle - Ultimatum is a lot more dull story wise than the previous duo, especially adding more story to Nicky Parsons of potentially she and Bourne were something while he was still David Webb, because yeah, its totally believable that she had a possible relationship with David Webb, knew him and saw him go into the program, and knew fucking nothing about his fucking first mission, but was instantly instated as his contact after that. I however really loved the call to the bad guy Im in my office. I doubt that, if you were, we would be having this convo face to face. I lold, but really I also got a bit edgy about Karos complaints in the tracking system when they could literally pick a street address in fucking AFRICA with a small birthday that possibly is a code.
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The

Bourne Identity - 11 points

Inviso - 1
Wickle - 1
Snake - 1
Karo - 2
JONA - 2
Johnbobb - 2
Scarlet - 2

Inviso - Having NEVER seen one of these movies before in my life, I didnt have any real expectations going into this. I know the Daniel Craig Bond movies took a cue from the Bourne films in terms of their tone, but Matt Damon is no Daniel Craig. And you know what? This was pretty awesome. Some well-choreographed fight scenes, well-choreographed chase scenes, well-choreographed driving scenesits just a tight action movie. I really enjoyed it. The only thing I hasnt a huge fan of was Jasons relationship with Marie. No chemistry there. However, having watched the rest of the series, I have to give credit to Identity as the sole movie in the franchise that works as a standalone film, and being compelling enough to warrant four further movies.

Wickle - We start off with me not wanting to watch this movie both because I wanted to watch the Mission Impossible series and instead got this, and because we start off with a man on a boat playing surgeon and cutting out the bullets from this guys back. So then our protagonist sets off on his journey with amnesia. I tend to dislike Amnesia stories as a whole, especially that game I got on Steam Oh wait, thats a horror that I never played because of its genre. There were points in the middle that were kind of dull, particularly between fights and all about Jason and Marie, although the ending with the two reuniting was really cute. I forgot about all those problems as it started to become a little fun as fights and the car chase kicked in. I really liked the fight with the second guy, even though I was kind of suspended in disbelief when he started moving in the wheat.

Snake - Excellently paced with fast and believable action sequences. I really enjoyed the plot of Bourne having to recover his memories, which fits right into the strong espionage and conspiracy theming of the film. Matt Damon infuses Bourne with a genuine sincerity and emotional and physical vulnerability usually avoided in action-thrillers like this. In a sense, the film subverts the traditional bombastic Bond spy film by not being bogged down with unrealistic gadgets and wacky characters. It still stands out tonight despite a bunch of imitators since.

Karo - Theres this guy that gets found floating in the ocean and of course he has amnesia and doesnt know how he got there. Now, because he is really some secret agent and because his last mission might be embarrassing to the government, his superiors decide the best course of action is to try and murder their highly-trained and valuable operative. The rationale given is that Warlord Mumbogumbo was going to reveal secrets of the CIA and thats why they sent Bourne to kill him and they were worried that Bourne might comprise their secret and that why he has to die.
Yes, the CIA trusts this guy to be sent on extremely sensitive missions, but they don't trust that he wont go around blabbing that the USA tried to assassinate a foreign dignitary. Plus they just simply put a bullet in the head of Warlord Mugarutebaga so what is even the point.
They could have just taken the obvious step of talking to the confused Bourne in order to entice him to come along willingly, but instead they send a gun-wielding lunatic smashing through his window and kickstart a trail of carnage leading across the entire continent.
As Borune travels throughout Europe, we follow the pattern of him going to a new place, and somehow the agency that took nearly a decade to find Osama Bin Laden is always able to instantly pinpoint his location and have people there in under 10 minutes.
It is an entertaining enough action movie if you are willing to suspend your disbelief for two hours.

JONA - READY STEADY GO *awesome car chase scene* also https://youtu.be/UFnmq5PPScA?t=2m32s
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Johnbobb - I always forget how much I love Matt Damon as an actor. Hes pretty underutilized now, but hes a really excellent performer. Im more used to seeing him in hilarious comedies like Dogma and The Martian and Good Will Hunting, but he makes a shockingly good action hero. His dynamic with Marie really worked, the fight scenes were thrilling, and the shootout in the open field was particularly impressive. It admittedly screams early 2000s at some points, but overall a really solid flick.

Scarlet - Rating: 78/100
The conceit of the film clearly wont be resolved by the films end, but instead audiences are exposed to a treat the first part of a decidedly bleak and gritty tale that has a tinge of Shakespearean tragedy to it. Damon, while competent in his role, really is bolstered by the phenomenal performances of the cast around him, including a brief but excellent action sequence with Clive Owen. The peak of the film is the innovative car chase sequence that was the first of its kind.
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For minor facts, prior to #2 falling, outliers were:

Johnbobb - 4
Wickle - 2
Everyone else - 0

Ultimatum had a major outlier that if I had agreed with everyone else that Jason Boune would be forth, would have won no matter what place I had Ultimatum at (would have won tie breaker 8 to 9 if I had it at 3). 4 people had Ultimatum at #1, 3 of which were in running for perfect list. This leaves outlier at:

Johnbobb - 6
Wickle - 4
Karo - 1
JONA - 1
Scarlet - 1
Inviso - 0
Snake - 0

It's only 5 movies, which is why I didn't track it. But congrats @Inviso and @Snake5555555555 for perfect lists. The moment I saw that Ultimatum would lose because of my score, I sat there like "fuck, now it feels like I meta'd" when I'm not kidding that I was the third person to "submit" a list.
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Of course Wickle meta'd.
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went from lowest outlier to highest, heck yeah
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It wouldn't be so bad if I could understand any of Wickle's write-up for that film.
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Oh, also this was a great short project. I'm down to do more of these. Thanks, Wick.
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scar has the same writeups for ultimatum and identity
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yeah these mini ones are cool

The Bourne series is one I had always wanted to watch but never had the motivation to

All in all, it was decent. Identity and Ultimatum are definitely good movies, though the rest aren't ones I can see ever watching again
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PrinceKaro posted...

scar has the same writeups for ultimatum and identity

I'm sorry Scarlet, accidentally copied Identity's write-up for Ultimatum. And just missed out on edit time. Here is Scarlet's Ultimatum write-up.

Rating: 81/100
As a fan of all things spy-related, I am an unapologetic fan of Bourne Supremacy. Unlike the snoozer that was James Bonds Spectre, Ultimatum wrapped a fantastic story with the pomp and circumstance deserving of an A-list action icon. Little known fact: a scene from Oceans Thirteen was filmed on the set of Ultimatum, resulting in that particular scene having the exact same coloring, lighting and camera shot style of a Bourne film its a nice little reference. This should very well have been Damons final turn in the role, as Bournes story is resolved. Also of particular note should be Stiles role. A great little supporting performance throughout the series.
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scarletspeed7 posted...

It wouldn't be so bad if I could understand any of Wickle's write-up for that film.

I'll state it like this, I did a very stupid fallacy of Bad-Good-Bad in the write-up. First bad: Nicky Parsons implied something about knowing Webb, with kind of a "So you still don't remember?" during a slightly intimate scene between the two, which would imply she knew him before Treadstone, was part of the program, and then became his informant. Which creates two different holes... 1) Why didn't she know about his first mission, and 2) If this government basically has every file on everyone, why would they put her, who has emotional attachment to Webb (and could possibly gain motivation to turn him against them)... as his contact?

The second bad portion is the fact that I got Karo's write-ups before I started myself. Read his write-ups a little bit, but always remembered: "As Borune travels throughout Europe, we follow the pattern of him going to a new place, and somehow the agency that took nearly a decade to find Osama Bin Laden is always able to instantly pinpoint his location and have people there in under 10 minutes.
It is an entertaining enough action movie if you are willing to suspend your disbelief for two hours."

It didn't bother me since spy networks will always have contacts in different countries... until Ultimatum. Where we essentially had a two minute scene of "THE BIRTHDAY MUST BE A CODE!" So they track addresses, street codes, etc. Europe is fine, US is fine... but if you can get info about just any fucking place in the world... now you're being flat out unrealistic. Not to mention the head dude was just instantly "oh I know what that place is." Not even a few seconds of thinking, just on the spot "Treadstone facility." Because it totally takes someone half a second to remember the address of one specific facility.

That somewhat make a little more sense?
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