Hustlers Discussion Topic 4: Still Not the Big Twist

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Underleveled 12/04/17 5:38:12 PM #1:	Now who wins? Ashley Ben Chrissy Devon Lauren Mike Ryan View Results This has pretty much been another mid-tier season... Hope 36 is a golden one. --- darkx <cite>Underleveled posted [p:891589500] in Survivor: ... [t:76062131]...</cite> <quote> Now who wins? Ashley Ben Chrissy Devon Lauren Mike Ryan View Results This has pretty much been another mid-tier season... Hope 36 is a golden one.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Underleveled 12/04/17 5:40:53 PM #2:	Someday I will snipe Inviso for that last post and he will really not be happy about it. --- darkx <cite>Underleveled posted [p:891589645] in Survivor: ... [t:76062131]...</cite> <quote>Someday I will snipe Inviso for that last post and he will really not be happy about it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlueCrystalTear 12/04/17 6:30:52 PM #3:	Yeah, I'd say mid-tier is about right. Some ups and downs, but a lot of averageness and an oversaturation of advantages. It's better than Game Changers, at least, but can't hold a candle to MvX. Turns out 2017 is the worst year of Survivor/BB since 2011. That said, the HHH finale is supposed to be something really special, so let's hope it is and it doesn't end up being horrific like Kaoh Rong's (which SHOULD have been a thriller). --- BlueCrystalTear \| GNT BB4 Winner, Winner Chicken Dinner 3DS 4356-4163-4781 X/M: Natalie AS: Allie \| You're living your own life. You're you. <cite>BlueCrystalTear posted [p:891592471] in Survivor: ... [t:76062131]...</cite> <quote>Yeah, I'd say mid-tier is about right. Some ups and downs, but a lot of averageness and an oversaturation of advantages. It's better than Game Changers, at least, but can't hold a candle to MvX. Turns out 2017 is the worst year of Survivor/BB since 2011. That said, the HHH finale is supposed to be something really special, so let's hope it is and it doesn't end up being horrific like Kaoh Rong's (which SHOULD have been a thriller).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Inviso 12/04/17 6:33:24 PM #4:	Since the end of the Dark Ages (22-26): Kaoh Rong > San Juan Del Sur > Cagayan >>>>>>>>>> HHH >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Game Changers > Blood vs. Water > Millennials vs. Gen X > Cambodia > Worlds Apart --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso <cite>Inviso posted [p:891592614] in Survivor: ... [t:76062131]...</cite> <quote>Since the end of the Dark Ages (22-26): Kaoh Rong > San Juan Del Sur > Cagayan >>>>>>>>>> HHH >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Game Changers > Blood vs. Water > Millennials vs. Gen X > Cambodia > Worlds Apart</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlueCrystalTear 12/04/17 6:36:10 PM #5:	Dark Ages also includes Nicaragua >_> And that ranking sucks. Mine is: Cambodia > Cagayan > Millennials vs. Gen X > Blood vs. Water > SJDS > HHH >>>>>>>>>> Game Changers > Kaoh Rong > Worlds Apart I think I'm the only person here who didn't like Kaoh Rong... --- BlueCrystalTear \| GNT BB4 Winner, Winner Chicken Dinner 3DS 4356-4163-4781 X/M: Natalie AS: Allie \| You're living your own life. You're you. <cite>BlueCrystalTear posted [p:891592760] in Survivor: ... [t:76062131]...</cite> <quote>Dark Ages also includes Nicaragua >_> And that ranking sucks. Mine is: Cambodia > Cagayan > Millennials vs. Gen X > Blood vs. Water > SJDS > HHH >>>>>>>>>> Game Changers > Kaoh Rong > Worlds Apart I think I'm the only person here who didn't like Kaoh Rong...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Inviso 12/04/17 6:39:07 PM #6:	Nicaragua was the last "pure" season. Then we got 5/6 seasons of newbies vs. veterans in a row, 4 of which are widely regarded as terrible. Also, Kaoh Rong was amazing. Great cast, villains to hate, heroes to root for, unpredictable, and because of the medevacs, we got a bunch of character scenes rather than obnoxious strategy talk. --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso <cite>Inviso posted [p:891592947] in Survivor: ... [t:76062131]...</cite> <quote>Nicaragua was the last "pure" season. Then we got 5/6 seasons of newbies vs. veterans in a row, 4 of which are widely regarded as terrible. Also, Kaoh Rong was amazing. Great cast, villains to hate, heroes to root for, unpredictable, and because of the medevacs, we got a bunch of character scenes rather than obnoxious strategy talk.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xuxon 12/04/17 6:45:51 PM #7:	MvGX > Cagayan > Kaoh Rong. all amazing seasons. BvW easily my least favorite, it was just sort of okay. everything else has been good, dunno how to rank them. --- Grats to BKSheikah, a guru ahead of his time. http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxkdr0uNc91qlu5jao1_r1_400.gif <cite>Xuxon posted [p:891593372] in Survivor: ... [t:76062131]...</cite> <quote>MvGX > Cagayan > Kaoh Rong. all amazing seasons. BvW easily my least favorite, it was just sort of okay. everything else has been good, dunno how to rank them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlueCrystalTear 12/04/17 6:49:09 PM #8:	Eras of Survivor: Old School: 1-12. A much simpler time with less strategy and more loyalty to alliances. Cause of transition: Hidden Immunity Idols Middle Ages: 13-20. Constantly evolving game with increasingly intense blindsides. Loyalty to 1-2 people was typical. Cause of transition: HvV = the Fall of Rome. Dark Ages: 21-26. Too many "mactor" types. Poor gameplay. Three Pagongings and two additional bad seasons. Only Philippines is any good. Cause of transition: Malcolm Freberg. Big Movez Era: 27-34. Dictated by players making crazy moves to shift the game. No loyalty to anyone. Some moves were reckless. Cause of transition: Era founders Ciera, Tony, and Malcolm leaving in the first four episodes of Game Changers. Gimmicks Era: 35-present: Too much production influence to artificially create drama with twists as opposed to letting players play. We'll see how long this one lasts. Inviso posted... Nicaragua was the last "pure" season. Then we got 5/6 seasons of newbies vs. veterans in a row, 4 of which are widely regarded as terrible. Nicaragua was still a "bad" season, too. By your logic, One World would also be a "pure" season - and it's a better one than Nicaragua, even if only slightly. Also, Kaoh Rong was amazing. Great cast, villains to hate, heroes to root for, unpredictable, and because of the medevacs, we got a bunch of character scenes rather than obnoxious strategy talk. The ending ruined it for me so so much. Three MedEvacs also was no fun. I want to see people making moves and playing the game, not people being pulled undeservingly. BMC was pulled due to production negligence. Joe would not have been pulled in the early seasons, when the medics would have just taken care of the problem. Back in the day, MedEvacs were always in situations where the individual needed to go to a hospital. I know I'm in the minority here, but the horrific finale - including both the stupid "Vote out a juror" twist and the winner - just destroyed it for me after the MedEvacs already made me leery. I like the character scenes as a counterbalance to the mile-a-minute strategy, but not if it's anticlimactically pulling people from the game. It's just an enjoyment thing. When I look back at Kaoh Rong, I see it as a season where the petty villains got their way in the end and the heroine lost. I just don't enjoy things the same way you all do, I guess. --- BlueCrystalTear \| GNT BB4 Winner, Winner Chicken Dinner 3DS 4356-4163-4781 X/M: Natalie AS: Allie \| You're living your own life. You're you. <cite>BlueCrystalTear posted [p:891593570] in Survivor: ... [t:76062131]...</cite> <quote>Eras of Survivor: Old School: 1-12. A much simpler time with less strategy and more loyalty to alliances. Cause of transition: Hidden Immunity Idols Middle Ages: 13-20. Constantly evolving game with increasingly intense blindsides. Loyalty to 1-2 people was typical. Cause of transition: HvV = the Fall of Rome. Dark Ages: 21-26. Too many "mactor" types. Poor gameplay. Three Pagongings and two additional bad seasons. Only Philippines is any good. Cause of transition: Malcolm Freberg. Big Movez Era: 27-34. Dictated by players making crazy moves to shift the game. No loyalty to anyone. Some moves were reckless. Cause of transition: Era founders Ciera, Tony, and Malcolm leaving in the first four episodes of Game Changers. Gimmicks Era: 35-present: Too much production influence to artificially create drama with twists as opposed to letting players play. We'll see how long this one lasts. <cite>Inviso posted...</cite> <quote>Nicaragua was the last "pure" season. Then we got 5/6 seasons of newbies vs. veterans in a row, 4 of which are widely regarded as terrible.</quote> Nicaragua was still a "bad" season, too. By your logic, One World would also be a "pure" season - and it's a better one than Nicaragua, even if only slightly. <quote>Also, Kaoh Rong was amazing. Great cast, villains to hate, heroes to root for, unpredictable, and because of the medevacs, we got a bunch of character scenes rather than obnoxious strategy talk. </quote> The ending ruined it for me so so much. Three MedEvacs also was no fun. I want to see people making moves and playing the game, not people being pulled undeservingly. BMC was pulled due to production negligence. Joe would not have been pulled in the early seasons, when the medics would have just taken care of the problem. Back in the day, MedEvacs were always in situations where the individual needed to go to a hospital. I know I'm in the minority here, but the horrific finale - including both the stupid "Vote out a juror" twist and the winner - just destroyed it for me after the MedEvacs already made me leery. I like the character scenes as a counterbalance to the mile-a-minute strategy, but not if it's anticlimactically pulling people from the game. It's just an enjoyment thing. When I look back at Kaoh Rong, I see it as a season where the petty villains got their way in the end and the heroine lost. I just don't enjoy things the same way you all do, I guess.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Inviso 12/04/17 7:00:32 PM #9:	Aubry/Tai/Cydney are all top 60 characters for me, and Michele is...not. But still, Michele winning is just part of the mystique that made the season so great. --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso <cite>Inviso posted [p:891594155] in Survivor: ... [t:76062131]...</cite> <quote>Aubry/Tai/Cydney are all top 60 characters for me, and Michele is...not. But still, Michele winning is just part of the mystique that made the season so great.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Underleveled 12/04/17 7:27:33 PM #10:	I haven't tried to do a full castaway ranking in a long time but Aubry, Tai and Debbie are all possibly in my top 30 (Aubry definitely, Tai and Debbie probably/possibly). My current season ranking/tiering: Top Tier: Pearl Islands China Cagayan Philippines Exile Island High Tier: The Amazon Borneo Tocantins Vanuatu Guatemala Upper Mid Tier: Marquesas Kaoh Rong Gabon Heroes vs. Villains True Mid Tier: Nicaragua Millennials vs. Gen X Blood vs. Water (Heroes vs. Healers vs. Hustlers) Lower Mid Tier: Samoa Game Changers All-Stars Africa Micronesia Low Tier: San Juan del Sur Fiji Cambodia Cook Islands The Australian Outback Palau Bottom Tier: Worlds Apart Thailand Caramoan Redemption Island One World South Pacific --- darkx <cite>Underleveled posted [p:891595630] in Survivor: ... [t:76062131]...</cite> <quote>I haven't tried to do a full castaway ranking in a long time but Aubry, Tai and Debbie are all possibly in my top 30 (Aubry definitely, Tai and Debbie probably/possibly). My current season ranking/tiering: Top Tier: Pearl Islands China Cagayan Philippines Exile Island High Tier: The Amazon Borneo Tocantins Vanuatu Guatemala Upper Mid Tier: Marquesas Kaoh Rong Gabon Heroes vs. Villains True Mid Tier: Nicaragua Millennials vs. Gen X Blood vs. Water (Heroes vs. Healers vs. Hustlers) Lower Mid Tier: Samoa Game Changers All-Stars Africa Micronesia Low Tier: San Juan del Sur Fiji Cambodia Cook Islands The Australian Outback Palau Bottom Tier: Worlds Apart Thailand Caramoan Redemption Island One World South Pacific</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Underleveled 12/04/17 7:39:29 PM #11:	BlueCrystalTear posted... Eras of Survivor: Old School: 1-12. A much simpler time with less strategy and more loyalty to alliances. Cause of transition: Hidden Immunity Idols Middle Ages: 13-20. Constantly evolving game with increasingly intense blindsides. Loyalty to 1-2 people was typical. Cause of transition: HvV = the Fall of Rome. Dark Ages: 21-26. Too many "mactor" types. Poor gameplay. Three Pagongings and two additional bad seasons. Only Philippines is any good. Cause of transition: Malcolm Freberg. Big Movez Era: 27-34. Dictated by players making crazy moves to shift the game. No loyalty to anyone. Some moves were reckless. Cause of transition: Era founders Ciera, Tony, and Malcolm leaving in the first four episodes of Game Changers. Gimmicks Era: 35-present: Too much production influence to artificially create drama with twists as opposed to letting players play. We'll see how long this one lasts. I pretty much agree with most of this except I would split that first category into 1-9 and 10-12 and call 1-9 the "Golden Age." That was about the time period where it was still a major cultural phenomenon and most of the seasons in that group are still considered by both hardcore and casual fans to be among the best in the show's run. Additionally, 10-12 was where we started to see the first inklings of the twists that would become today's norm. At least from my perspective, there seemed to be a steep drop off in popularity after Vanuatu, and then again at the beginning of Cook Islands (largely owed to the racial division of that season) that it never fully recovered from. There was a small surge at Heroes vs. Villains but then it went back down to the point where today when I tell people that my favorite show is Survivor, many of them are surprised to learn that it's even still on. Also wut at that bolded statement, this has been going on since HvV, and has been in absolute full force since Worlds Apart. --- darkx <cite>Underleveled posted [p:891596295] in Survivor: ... [t:76062131]...</cite> <quote><cite>BlueCrystalTear posted...</cite> <quote>Eras of Survivor: Old School: 1-12. A much simpler time with less strategy and more loyalty to alliances. Cause of transition: Hidden Immunity Idols Middle Ages: 13-20. Constantly evolving game with increasingly intense blindsides. Loyalty to 1-2 people was typical. Cause of transition: HvV = the Fall of Rome. Dark Ages: 21-26. Too many "mactor" types. Poor gameplay. Three Pagongings and two additional bad seasons. Only Philippines is any good. Cause of transition: Malcolm Freberg. Big Movez Era: 27-34. Dictated by players making crazy moves to shift the game. No loyalty to anyone. Some moves were reckless. Cause of transition: Era founders Ciera, Tony, and Malcolm leaving in the first four episodes of Game Changers. Gimmicks Era: 35-present: Too much production influence to artificially create drama with twists as opposed to letting players play. We'll see how long this one lasts. </quote> I pretty much agree with most of this except I would split that first category into 1-9 and 10-12 and call 1-9 the "Golden Age." That was about the time period where it was still a major cultural phenomenon and most of the seasons in that group are still considered by both hardcore and casual fans to be among the best in the show's run. Additionally, 10-12 was where we started to see the first inklings of the twists that would become today's norm. At least from my perspective, there seemed to be a steep drop off in popularity after Vanuatu, and then again at the beginning of Cook Islands (largely owed to the racial division of that season) that it never fully recovered from. There was a small surge at Heroes vs. Villains but then it went back down to the point where today when I tell people that my favorite show is Survivor, many of them are surprised to learn that it's even still on. Also wut at that bolded statement, this has been going on since HvV, and has been in absolute full force since Worlds Apart.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GTM 12/04/17 11:05:47 PM #12:	tag --- GTM - Boko United survivor and dillos and nintendo and wrestling <cite>GTM posted [p:891608782] in Survivor: ... [t:76062131]...</cite> <quote>tag</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StormTR 12/04/17 11:52:10 PM #13:	Pearl Islands will always be a Top 3 season for me regardless. It's hard to say where this season ends up landing because it's at where it'll depend on who wins. That said though, when ranking seasons, I'll always call Guatemala and SJDS criminally underrated. And I'll think that SJDS is better than Cagayan for feeling like a better put together ever evolving/building story, compared to Cagayan just being "a bunch of stuff that happened". <cite>StormTR posted [p:891611339] in Survivor: ... [t:76062131]...</cite> <quote>Pearl Islands will always be a Top 3 season for me regardless. It's hard to say where this season ends up landing because it's at where it'll depend on who wins. That said though, when ranking seasons, I'll always call Guatemala and SJDS criminally underrated. And I'll think that SJDS is better than Cagayan for feeling like a better put together ever evolving/building story, compared to Cagayan just being "a bunch of stuff that happened".</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Naye745 12/04/17 11:53:27 PM #14:	quick fly-by rankings: untouchable tier: 1. cagayan thoroughly enjoyable tier: 2. cambodia 3. millennials vs gen x better than you think tier: 4. kaoh rong 5. san juan del sur uncertainty tier: 6??. hhh acceptable tier: 7. blood vs water bad tier: 8. game changers 9. worlds apart --- it's an underwater adventure ride <cite>Naye745 posted [p:891611399] in Survivor: ... [t:76062131]...</cite> <quote>quick fly-by rankings: untouchable tier: 1. cagayan thoroughly enjoyable tier: 2. cambodia 3. millennials vs gen x better than you think tier: 4. kaoh rong 5. san juan del sur uncertainty tier: 6??. hhh acceptable tier: 7. blood vs water bad tier: 8. game changers 9. worlds apart</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Inviso 12/04/17 11:54:19 PM #15:	StormTR posted... Pearl Islands will always be a Top 3 season for me regardless. It's hard to say where this season ends up landing because it's at where it'll depend on who wins. That said though, when ranking seasons, I'll always call Guatemala and SJDS criminally underrated. And I'll think that SJDS is better than Cagayan for feeling like a better put together ever evolving/building story, compared to Cagayan just being "a bunch of stuff that happened". SJDS is such an amazing season. Even the pre-merge, looking back...the only BAD section of the season is that middle from episodes 5-7. And even then, it's more 6/7 than anything. --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso <cite>Inviso posted [p:891611432] in Survivor: ... [t:76062131]...</cite> <quote><cite>StormTR posted...</cite> <quote>Pearl Islands will always be a Top 3 season for me regardless. It's hard to say where this season ends up landing because it's at where it'll depend on who wins. That said though, when ranking seasons, I'll always call Guatemala and SJDS criminally underrated. And I'll think that SJDS is better than Cagayan for feeling like a better put together ever evolving/building story, compared to Cagayan just being "a bunch of stuff that happened".</quote> SJDS is such an amazing season. Even the pre-merge, looking back...the only BAD section of the season is that middle from episodes 5-7. And even then, it's more 6/7 than anything.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Naye745 12/04/17 11:56:02 PM #16:	the weird thing about sjds, looking back on it now, is that pretty much everyone great from that season was on the blue tribe. almost ridiculous how loaded blue was with in terms of characters who defined that season --- it's an underwater adventure ride <cite>Naye745 posted [p:891611540] in Survivor: ... [t:76062131]...</cite> <quote>the weird thing about sjds, looking back on it now, is that pretty much everyone great from that season was on the blue tribe. almost ridiculous how loaded blue was with in terms of characters who defined that season</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StormTR 12/05/17 12:07:54 AM #17:	Inviso posted... StormTR posted... Pearl Islands will always be a Top 3 season for me regardless. It's hard to say where this season ends up landing because it's at where it'll depend on who wins. That said though, when ranking seasons, I'll always call Guatemala and SJDS criminally underrated. And I'll think that SJDS is better than Cagayan for feeling like a better put together ever evolving/building story, compared to Cagayan just being "a bunch of stuff that happened". SJDS is such an amazing season. Even the pre-merge, looking back...the only BAD section of the season is that middle from episodes 5-7. And even then, it's more 6/7 than anything. Yeah, the only time I remember it feeling kinda "blah" was when Dale went and when Julie decided to quit. <cite>StormTR posted [p:891612109] in Survivor: ... [t:76062131]...</cite> <quote><cite>Inviso posted...</cite> <quote><cite>StormTR posted...</cite> <quote>Pearl Islands will always be a Top 3 season for me regardless. It's hard to say where this season ends up landing because it's at where it'll depend on who wins. That said though, when ranking seasons, I'll always call Guatemala and SJDS criminally underrated. And I'll think that SJDS is better than Cagayan for feeling like a better put together ever evolving/building story, compared to Cagayan just being "a bunch of stuff that happened".</quote> SJDS is such an amazing season. Even the pre-merge, looking back...the only BAD section of the season is that middle from episodes 5-7. And even then, it's more 6/7 than anything.</quote> Yeah, the only time I remember it feeling kinda "blah" was when Dale went and when Julie decided to quit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Underleveled 12/05/17 10:08:57 AM #18:	StormTR posted... I'll always call Guatemala and SJDS criminally underrated I used to call Marquesas the most underrated season but now it's sorta become known for being underrated and developed a following so it's not really that underrated anymore. No, the true most underrated season is Guatemala. --- darkx <cite>Underleveled posted [p:891628024] in Survivor: ... [t:76062131]...</cite> <quote><cite>StormTR posted...</cite> <quote> I'll always call Guatemala and SJDS criminally underrated</quote> I used to call Marquesas the most underrated season but now it's sorta become known for being underrated and developed a following so it's not really that underrated anymore. No, the true most underrated season is Guatemala.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KujikawaRising 12/05/17 10:34:21 AM #19:	Hunahpu is a god-tier tribe. The fact that it has Keith Nale, Jeremy Collins, Natalie Anderson, and Kelley Wentworth ALONE is great, but then you throw in glorious trainwreck Drew Christy, oblivious Disney Prince Jon Misch, and the Evil Stepmother in Missy Griffiths-Payne and... yeah, that's one of the greatest tribes in history that did the light-blue color quite proud. Reed Kelly also adds something. Quits McGee does not. So what is the greatest light-blue tribe in history? Kucha, Drake, or Hunahpu? ~~That is a brutal decision. We have Skupin, Elisabeth Hasselbeck, Varner, Kentucky Joe, and Alicia Calaway. We have Rupert, Queen Sandra, Christa, Jonny Fairplay, and Burton. And Hunahpu per above.~~ Underleveled posted... Also wut at that bolded statement, this has been going on since HvV, and has been in absolute full force since Worlds Apart. Game Changers is when it really started having a major impact on the gameplay. Before then, it was just one or two gimmicks or advantages per season that weren't idols (which is an essential part of Survivor). I refer to this new era of Survivor as such because of how impactful it has become on the approach to the game. I still think "old school" goes to 12. I mean, yeah, 1-8 could be called the "Golden Age" with All-Stars being the ending point. I think Vanuatu was the season that started to put people off (don't ask me why), which is what caused the steep drop in popularity. The thing with 11-12 is that idols were such a new thing that nobody, including production, had any idea what to do with them, so it still counts as "old school" to me. With Cook Islands, the gimmicky way to divide tribes, the ability to react to the idol (Cao Boi of all people!), and the final three reshaped the game, which is makes that the first season that's not old school. --- http://i.imgur.com/t3naEGu.jpg I'm BlueCrystalTear, probably at work. <cite>KujikawaRising posted [p:891629119] in Survivor: ... [t:76062131]...</cite> <quote>Hunahpu is a god-tier tribe. The fact that it has Keith Nale, Jeremy Collins, Natalie Anderson, and Kelley Wentworth ALONE is great, but then you throw in glorious trainwreck Drew Christy, oblivious Disney Prince Jon Misch, and the Evil Stepmother in Missy Griffiths-Payne and... yeah, that's one of the greatest tribes in history that did the light-blue color quite proud. Reed Kelly also adds something. Quits McGee does not. So what is the greatest light-blue tribe in history? Kucha, Drake, or Hunahpu? That is a brutal decision. We have Skupin, Elisabeth Hasselbeck, Varner, Kentucky Joe, and Alicia Calaway. We have Rupert, Queen Sandra, Christa, Jonny Fairplay, and Burton. And Hunahpu per above. <cite>Underleveled posted...</cite> <quote>Also wut at that bolded statement, this has been going on since HvV, and has been in absolute full force since Worlds Apart.</quote> Game Changers is when it really started having a major impact on the gameplay. Before then, it was just one or two gimmicks or advantages per season that weren't idols (which is an essential part of Survivor). I refer to this new era of Survivor as such because of how impactful it has become on the approach to the game. I still think "old school" goes to 12. I mean, yeah, 1-8 could be called the "Golden Age" with All-Stars being the ending point. I think Vanuatu was the season that started to put people off (don't ask me why), which is what caused the steep drop in popularity. The thing with 11-12 is that idols were such a new thing that nobody, including production, had any idea what to do with them, so it still counts as "old school" to me. With Cook Islands, the gimmicky way to divide tribes, the ability to react to the idol (Cao Boi of all people!), and the final three reshaped the game, which is makes that the first season that's not old school.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
eaedwards6400 12/05/17 10:40:47 AM #20:	I would agree that Golden Age is sort of a subcategory of the Old School era. Like Andy said people felt a let down for Vanuatu after All-Stars and I still don't know why but nevertheless I don't think it and Palau belong with the Survivor Middle Ages. --- Cheer, Cheer for Old Notre Dame! GO VOTE FOR UCA! ~Join B8 on TEW!~ http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/9339/7vke.jpg <cite>eaedwards6400 posted [p:891629410] in Survivor: ... [t:76062131]...</cite> <quote>I would agree that Golden Age is sort of a subcategory of the Old School era. Like Andy said people felt a let down for Vanuatu after All-Stars and I still don't know why but nevertheless I don't think it and Palau belong with the Survivor Middle Ages.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peridiam 12/05/17 1:22:30 PM #21:	next video is gonna be my top 5 favorite blindsides i'll give you a cookie if you get any --- http://i.imgur.com/6Lra0Xf.gif http://i.imgur.com/fZbEYu0.gif <cite>Peridiam posted [p:891637820] in Survivor: ... [t:76062131]...</cite> <quote>next video is gonna be my top 5 favorite blindsides i'll give you a cookie if you get any</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Chaeix 12/05/17 1:24:28 PM #22:	Peridiam posted... next video is gonna be my top 5 favorite blindsides i'll give you a cookie if you get any ~~Natalie Anderson playing the idol on Jaclyn to get out Baylor~~ --- we're all buds~jc~ <DeathChicken> you are my hero for being the first person to cite National Geographic in Mercs <cite>Chaeix posted [p:891637950] in Survivor: ... [t:76062131]...</cite> <quote><cite>Peridiam posted...</cite> <quote>next video is gonna be my top 5 favorite blindsides i'll give you a cookie if you get any</quote> Natalie Anderson playing the idol on Jaclyn to get out Baylor</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Mana Sword 12/05/17 1:25:30 PM #23:	Russell votes out Marisa Russell votes out Betsy Russell votes out Ashley Russell votes out Liz --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/Gylgamesh501.png <cite>The Mana Sword posted [p:891638002] in Survivor: ... [t:76062131]...</cite> <quote>Russell votes out Marisa Russell votes out Betsy Russell votes out Ashley Russell votes out Liz</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peridiam 12/05/17 1:31:20 PM #24:	ok so 1 cookie left --- http://i.imgur.com/6Lra0Xf.gif http://i.imgur.com/fZbEYu0.gif <cite>Peridiam posted [p:891638337] in Survivor: ... [t:76062131]...</cite> <quote>ok so 1 cookie left</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Mana Sword 12/05/17 1:33:21 PM #25:	I assume people getting blindsided by an idol don't count right, considering that was a separate video --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/Gylgamesh501.png <cite>The Mana Sword posted [p:891638480] in Survivor: ... [t:76062131]...</cite> <quote>I assume people getting blindsided by an idol don't count right, considering that was a separate video</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GTM 12/05/17 1:35:51 PM #26:	1-8 block 1 9-16 block 2 17-20 block 3 21-26 block 4 27-34 block 5 35? --- GTM - Boko United survivor and dillos and nintendo and wrestling <cite>GTM posted [p:891638624] in Survivor: ... [t:76062131]...</cite> <quote>1-8 block 1 9-16 block 2 17-20 block 3 21-26 block 4 27-34 block 5 35?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
eaedwards6400 12/05/17 1:36:19 PM #27:	Gonna go with James in China. --- Posted using GameFlux <cite>eaedwards6400 posted [p:891638653] in Survivor: ... [t:76062131]...</cite> <quote>Gonna go with James in China.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Mana Sword 12/05/17 1:39:57 PM #28:	assuming no idol plays, an actual guess would be Gretchen John Carroll James in China Ozzy in Micronesia Matt's 2nd vote out in Redemption Island --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/Gylgamesh501.png <cite>The Mana Sword posted [p:891638859] in Survivor: ... [t:76062131]...</cite> <quote>assuming no idol plays, an actual guess would be Gretchen John Carroll James in China Ozzy in Micronesia Matt's 2nd vote out in Redemption Island</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Espeon 12/05/17 1:49:01 PM #29:	Sarah in Cagayan is the greatest tribal council of all time. I hope it makes the list. --- Inviso's Most Adorabl-est Eeveelution Ever http://i.imgur.com/SSw6M9E.gif <cite>Espeon posted [p:891639431] in Survivor: ... [t:76062131]...</cite> <quote>Sarah in Cagayan is the greatest tribal council of all time. I hope it makes the list.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Mana Sword 12/05/17 1:51:16 PM #30:	oh, yeah I guess the idols didn't actually directly impact who went home in that one put that on the list over Matt I guess --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/Gylgamesh501.png <cite>The Mana Sword posted [p:891639578] in Survivor: ... [t:76062131]...</cite> <quote>oh, yeah I guess the idols didn't actually directly impact who went home in that one put that on the list over Matt I guess</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peridiam 12/05/17 1:58:36 PM #31:	The Mana Sword posted... assuming no idol plays, an actual guess would be Gretchen John Carroll James in China Ozzy in Micronesia Matt's 2nd vote out in Redemption Island only 1 of these is in the video :O --- http://i.imgur.com/6Lra0Xf.gif http://i.imgur.com/fZbEYu0.gif <cite>Peridiam posted [p:891640035] in Survivor: ... [t:76062131]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Mana Sword posted...</cite> <quote>assuming no idol plays, an actual guess would be Gretchen John Carroll James in China Ozzy in Micronesia Matt's 2nd vote out in Redemption Island</quote> only 1 of these is in the video :O</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Mana Sword 12/05/17 1:58:57 PM #32:	wow this must be a bad video then --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/Gylgamesh501.png <cite>The Mana Sword posted [p:891640051] in Survivor: ... [t:76062131]...</cite> <quote>wow this must be a bad video then</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peridiam 12/05/17 1:59:36 PM #33:	Espeon posted... Sarah in Cagayan is the greatest tribal council of all time. I hope it makes the list. this was my #6 :( (i've also spent a lot of time talking about it so i didn't bump it up) --- http://i.imgur.com/6Lra0Xf.gif http://i.imgur.com/fZbEYu0.gif <cite>Peridiam posted [p:891640106] in Survivor: ... [t:76062131]...</cite> <quote><cite>Espeon posted...</cite> <quote>Sarah in Cagayan is the greatest tribal council of all time. I hope it makes the list.</quote> this was my #6 :( (i've also spent a lot of time talking about it so i didn't bump it up)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peridiam 12/05/17 2:00:01 PM #34:	The Mana Sword posted... wow this must be a bad video then it's on par with being my longest so there's a lot to dislike --- http://i.imgur.com/6Lra0Xf.gif http://i.imgur.com/fZbEYu0.gif <cite>Peridiam posted [p:891640134] in Survivor: ... [t:76062131]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Mana Sword posted...</cite> <quote>wow this must be a bad video then</quote> it's on par with being my longest so there's a lot to dislike</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Espeon 12/05/17 2:22:46 PM #35:	Im gonna guess... Ozzy in Micronesia Leann in Vanuatu Edgardo in Fiji Tyson in Tocantins Judd in Guatemala --- Inviso's Most Adorabl-est Eeveelution Ever http://i.imgur.com/SSw6M9E.gif <cite>Espeon posted [p:891641456] in Survivor: ... [t:76062131]...</cite> <quote>Im gonna guess... Ozzy in Micronesia Leann in Vanuatu Edgardo in Fiji Tyson in Tocantins Judd in Guatemala</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KujikawaRising 12/05/17 2:49:59 PM #36:	Peridiam posted... (i've also spent a lot of time talking about it so i didn't bump it up) To be fair, that's one of the "incidents" I mention frequently on my blog, given its impact. The other major one is the Edgardo blindside (that has to be in the video, right? I am mentioning it YET AGAIN in this week's blog, so I made fun of me doing that with the title). --- http://i.imgur.com/t3naEGu.jpg I'm BlueCrystalTear, probably at work. <cite>KujikawaRising posted [p:891642888] in Survivor: ... [t:76062131]...</cite> <quote><cite>Peridiam posted...</cite> <quote>(i've also spent a lot of time talking about it so i didn't bump it up)</quote> To be fair, that's one of the "incidents" I mention frequently on my blog, given its impact. The other major one is the Edgardo blindside (that has to be in the video, right? I am mentioning it YET AGAIN in this week's blog, so I made fun of me doing that with the title).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Mana Sword 12/05/17 2:55:08 PM #37:	Oh, yeah Edgardo should be on there. For some reason I kept thinking that he got idoled, but it was just a misplay. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/Gylgamesh501.png <cite>The Mana Sword posted [p:891643188] in Survivor: ... [t:76062131]...</cite> <quote>Oh, yeah Edgardo should be on there. For some reason I kept thinking that he got idoled, but it was just a misplay.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peridiam 12/05/17 4:01:07 PM #38:	Espeon posted... Im gonna guess... Ozzy in Micronesia Leann in Vanuatu Edgardo in Fiji Tyson in Tocantins Judd in Guatemala this is closer KujikawaRising posted... Peridiam posted... (i've also spent a lot of time talking about it so i didn't bump it up) To be fair, that's one of the "incidents" I mention frequently on my blog, given its impact. The other major one is the Edgardo blindside (that has to be in the video, right? I am mentioning it YET AGAIN in this week's blog, so I made fun of me doing that with the title). i know, it's one of the major strategical turning points in survivor imo edgardo gets all the attention these days --- http://i.imgur.com/6Lra0Xf.gif http://i.imgur.com/fZbEYu0.gif <cite>Peridiam posted [p:891647033] in Survivor: ... [t:76062131]...</cite> <quote><cite>Espeon posted...</cite> <quote>Im gonna guess... Ozzy in Micronesia Leann in Vanuatu Edgardo in Fiji Tyson in Tocantins Judd in Guatemala</quote> this is closer <cite>KujikawaRising posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Peridiam posted...</cite> <quote>(i've also spent a lot of time talking about it so i didn't bump it up)</quote> To be fair, that's one of the "incidents" I mention frequently on my blog, given its impact. The other major one is the Edgardo blindside (that has to be in the video, right? I am mentioning it YET AGAIN in this week's blog, so I made fun of me doing that with the title).</quote> i know, it's one of the major strategical turning points in survivor imo edgardo gets all the attention these days</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peridiam 12/05/17 4:55:53 PM #39:	Funny 115 GoFundMe page: https://www.gofundme.com/funny115 --- http://i.imgur.com/6Lra0Xf.gif http://i.imgur.com/fZbEYu0.gif <cite>Peridiam posted [p:891650292] in Survivor: ... [t:76062131]...</cite> <quote>Funny 115 GoFundMe page: https://www.gofundme.com/funny115</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Mana Sword 12/05/17 6:15:25 PM #40:	already almost funded --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/Gylgamesh501.png <cite>The Mana Sword posted [p:891654707] in Survivor: ... [t:76062131]...</cite> <quote>already almost funded</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
QJD1381 12/05/17 9:02:07 PM #41:	Sometimes I wonder if I'm the only one who actually liked Nicaragua. --- The official Dr. Mario of the Super Smash Bros for Wii U Board. If you will not fight, you will meet your destiny. <cite>QJD1381 posted [p:891664044] in Survivor: ... [t:76062131]...</cite> <quote>Sometimes I wonder if I'm the only one who actually liked Nicaragua.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Underleveled 12/05/17 9:03:45 PM #42:	QJD1381 posted... Sometimes I wonder if I'm the only one who actually liked Nicaragua. Inviso loves it and I rank it 15th/35 which isn't THAT bad. But yeah it's not a season that gets a lot of love. Dalton Ross straight up calls it the worst season, even considering the shit that immediately followed it. --- darkx <cite>Underleveled posted [p:891664132] in Survivor: ... [t:76062131]...</cite> <quote><cite>QJD1381 posted...</cite> <quote>Sometimes I wonder if I'm the only one who actually liked Nicaragua.</quote> Inviso loves it and I rank it 15th/35 which isn't THAT bad. But yeah it's not a season that gets a lot of love. Dalton Ross straight up calls it the worst season, even considering the shit that immediately followed it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peridiam 12/05/17 9:13:44 PM #43:	I have it somewhere in the middle. Its one of my favorite endings. --- http://i.imgur.com/6Lra0Xf.gif http://i.imgur.com/fZbEYu0.gif <cite>Peridiam posted [p:891664625] in Survivor: ... [t:76062131]...</cite> <quote>I have it somewhere in the middle. Its one of my favorite endings.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Underleveled 12/05/17 9:19:59 PM #44:	Peridiam posted... I have it somewhere in the middle. Its one of my favorite endings. Mine too. I don't think I've ever been so pleasantly surprised by a winner. --- darkx <cite>Underleveled posted [p:891664940] in Survivor: ... [t:76062131]...</cite> <quote><cite>Peridiam posted...</cite> <quote>I have it somewhere in the middle. Its one of my favorite endings.</quote> Mine too. I don't think I've ever been so pleasantly surprised by a winner.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peridiam 12/05/17 9:23:33 PM #45:	I like how we get Fabio, one of the least strategic winners ever, followed by Rob, one of the most. Nicaragua is in an awkward spot in the timeline. --- http://i.imgur.com/6Lra0Xf.gif http://i.imgur.com/fZbEYu0.gif <cite>Peridiam posted [p:891665130] in Survivor: ... [t:76062131]...</cite> <quote>I like how we get Fabio, one of the least strategic winners ever, followed by Rob, one of the most. Nicaragua is in an awkward spot in the timeline.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GTM 12/05/17 9:39:56 PM #46:	Espeon posted... Sarah in Cagayan is the greatest tribal council of all time. I hope it makes the list. not sure about greatest tribal, but definitely my favorite tribal vote + reveal --- GTM - Boko United survivor and dillos and nintendo and wrestling <cite>GTM posted [p:891666020] in Survivor: ... [t:76062131]...</cite> <quote><cite>Espeon posted...</cite> <quote>Sarah in Cagayan is the greatest tribal council of all time. I hope it makes the list.</quote> not sure about greatest tribal, but definitely my favorite tribal vote + reveal</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GTM 12/05/17 9:42:07 PM #47:	i loved it when it aired, but I have soured on it since --- GTM - Boko United survivor and dillos and nintendo and wrestling <cite>GTM posted [p:891666146] in Survivor: ... [t:76062131]...</cite> <quote>i loved it when it aired, but I have soured on it since</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
eaedwards6400 12/05/17 11:07:30 PM #48:	I have it near the bottom. --- Posted using GameFlux Get it now for Android from Google Play! <cite>eaedwards6400 posted [p:891670827] in Survivor: ... [t:76062131]...</cite> <quote>I have it near the bottom.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Inviso 12/06/17 2:35:33 AM #49:	The Funny 115 is funded! --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso <cite>Inviso posted [p:891678299] in Survivor: ... [t:76062131]...</cite> <quote>The Funny 115 is funded!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KujikawaRising 12/06/17 10:21:55 AM #50:	Nicaragua has always been lower-tier for me. I consider it part of the Dark Ages because of a mostly poor cast (we got Brenda, Holly, Marty, Fabio, Jane, and Sash... and a bunch of rubbish. Holly and Marty are both long overdue for a return.), the biggest MacGuffin in Survivor history (the Medallion of Power), and its "defining moments" being a double quit and the castaways learning that fire burns wood. I rank seasons by how I look back at them. When I look back at Nicaragua, my only fond memory is Holly's storyline. I look back at Redemption Island more fondly because of the first few episodes, the incredible merge boot, and certain someones >_> Worst season for me is South Pacific, where there's not a single thing I look back upon fondly. Best seasons are Cambodia, Micronesia, and Cagayan, where there is a proper mix of great strategy with entertaining Tribal Councils, character development, general unpredictability, and are rewarding, satisfying television. I rewatched two of those three this year. (Pearl Islands is fourth for similar reasons) As for the Funny 115... looks like Mario is going to be able to keep the site going for a long, long time. Good for him! (I could maybe chip in a dollar or two...) --- http://i.imgur.com/t3naEGu.jpg I'm BlueCrystalTear, probably at work. <cite>KujikawaRising posted [p:891689552] in Survivor: ... [t:76062131]...</cite> <quote>Nicaragua has always been lower-tier for me. I consider it part of the Dark Ages because of a mostly poor cast (we got Brenda, Holly, Marty, Fabio, Jane, and Sash... and a bunch of rubbish. Holly and Marty are both long overdue for a return.), the biggest MacGuffin in Survivor history (the Medallion of Power), and its "defining moments" being a double quit and the castaways learning that fire burns wood. I rank seasons by how I look back at them. When I look back at Nicaragua, my only fond memory is Holly's storyline. I look back at Redemption Island more fondly because of the first few episodes, the incredible merge boot, and certain someones >_> Worst season for me is South Pacific, where there's not a single thing I look back upon fondly. Best seasons are Cambodia, Micronesia, and Cagayan, where there is a proper mix of great strategy with entertaining Tribal Councils, character development, general unpredictability, and are rewarding, satisfying television. I rewatched two of those three this year. (Pearl Islands is fourth for similar reasons) As for the Funny 115... looks like Mario is going to be able to keep the site going for a long, long time. Good for him! (I could maybe chip in a dollar or two...)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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