Board 8 > are HeartGold/SoulSilver the best Pokemon games?

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kateee
11/26/17 1:56:46 PM
#1:


not counting generation + remakes as a whole but as standalone games.

always thought G/S was a bit overrated. Biggest thing that gets brought up is "16 BADGES & RED" like that's all that needs to be said. but a lot of Kanto is barebones (no safari zone, etc.) and yeah technical limitations and all but HG/SS had all that stuff plus updating it with at the time current mechanics (physical/special split probably being the best one). original GSC was sooo sloow. mechanics of that generation and how the highest level Pokemon in the E4 is a measly level 50 (which should be IMPOSSIBLE SINCE IT'S A DRAGONITE. HOW DID IT EVOLVE WHAT) and your rival still has a Kadabra/Haunter at Victory Road. also the Pokemon selection is UNDERWHELMING. Ampharos sucks get over it.

okay but HG/SS had all the things that were cool ideas from original GSC and made them better because it came later. if you liked getting to battle multiple gym leaders, you can battle them again with way better teams. physical/special split in 4th gen with all the moves out at that time to compensate for the split + new moves (Energy Ball, Focus Blast, etc.). you can actually play as a girl this time and wear Team Rocket clothes. i mean it's actually become the best.

Forget all that though because it also had POKEMON FOLLOWING YOU AROUND AHHHHHHH
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Reg
11/26/17 2:00:35 PM
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Objectively, probably yeah. Definitely better than the original Gen 2
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NBIceman
11/26/17 2:08:17 PM
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I was with you until the part about Ampharos sucking.
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gmun-chama
11/26/17 2:10:16 PM
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GSC Kanto was always great
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pjbasis
11/26/17 2:12:36 PM
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swordz9
11/26/17 2:14:17 PM
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Black/White are the best by a mile imo
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mnkboy907
11/26/17 2:16:58 PM
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HG/SS was the first time I thought a Pokemon game wasn't better than the ones before it.
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KommunistKoala
11/26/17 2:19:42 PM
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platinum
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swordz9
11/26/17 2:19:47 PM
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HGSS is pretty good surprisingly, but still suffers from most of the same problems GS had. I also think Gen 1-2 are the worst two even counting the remakes though.
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BlueCrystalTear
11/26/17 2:31:36 PM
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swordz9 posted...
Black/White are the best by a mile imo

I agree with a swordz opinion!?

woah

HG/SS were good, but too many HM moves was its major flaw. The level scaling is also a bit off. Overall, I'd say...
BW1 > HG/SS > GSC > BW2 > Platinum > XY > RSE > ORAS > FRLG > RBY > DP > S&M
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malyg
11/26/17 2:38:46 PM
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Emerald is my favourite.
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thundersheep
11/26/17 2:41:27 PM
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voltch
11/26/17 2:59:15 PM
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Hilda best pokemon protagonist design
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ChaosTonyV4
11/26/17 2:59:52 PM
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Definitely.
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Surskit
11/26/17 3:02:02 PM
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kateee posted...
also the Pokemon selection is UNDERWHELMING. Ampharos sucks get over it.

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swordz9
11/26/17 3:09:04 PM
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Ampharos and Heracross are 2 of the very few good Gen 2 Pokemon
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CelesMyUserName
11/26/17 3:15:19 PM
#17:


BlueCrystalTear posted...
BW1 > HG/SS > GSC > BW2

the only top 4 I need any order is fine
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Shonen_Bat
11/26/17 3:16:20 PM
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HG/SS dropped the ball not fixing the terrible difficulty curve after Clair. Pokemon variety is also pretty bad still. Most of its problems are small but those two bring it down a lot.

And Ampharos is great.
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swordz9
11/26/17 3:17:03 PM
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Speaking of Clair what a garbage gym leader. Quite possibly the worst one in the entire series.
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pjbasis
11/26/17 3:20:08 PM
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swordz9 posted...
Speaking of Clair what a garbage gym leader. Quite possibly the worst one in the entire series.


Definitely kind of a bad choice for an 8th gym leader too. Feels very dumb that you don't even get your badge until you jump through more hoops that aren't even hard, just a HM progress gate.
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Torlovsk
11/26/17 3:38:58 PM
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They are in my book, last I checked anyway; or at least they are tied with Platinum for the title.
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StifledSilence
11/26/17 3:51:27 PM
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It's close between those and RBY. XY and Platinum were pretty great too.
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swirIdude
11/26/17 3:51:47 PM
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Black/White best
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SantaRPidgey
11/26/17 4:53:22 PM
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I don't know what the appeal of platinum is for people, it's the exact same as diamond/pearl with higher difficulty.

The difficulty is nice, but d/p were very underwhelming games, and anything they did, HG/SS did objectively better.
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CelesMyUserName
11/26/17 6:14:51 PM
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SantaRPidgey posted...
I don't know what the appeal of platinum is for people

mrtEGNc

(but d/p weren't bad)
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kateee
11/26/17 6:16:45 PM
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DP was actually the worst and the only reason i need is the speed at which HP bars drain.
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SantaRPidgey
11/26/17 6:23:48 PM
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CelesMyUserName posted...
SantaRPidgey posted...
I don't know what the appeal of platinum is for people

mrtEGNc

(but d/p weren't bad)


the linear time waster that added nothing to the game? I feel like the new pokemon games do that even better now.
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CelesMyUserName
11/26/17 7:01:31 PM
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it was cool tho and not an annoying dungeon
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Panthera
11/26/17 7:14:35 PM
#29:


5th gen is best gen

kateee posted...
Ampharos sucks


What an uncouth barbarian
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CelesMyUserName
11/26/17 7:32:08 PM
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most_games_r_ok
11/26/17 8:13:42 PM
#31:


HG/SS will forever be worse than G/S for forcing me to know rock climb in order to fight Red.
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NeoElfboy
11/26/17 8:21:39 PM
#32:


It had Voltorb Flip, so there's a case that it was the best.

That said the weird level curve ruining parts of the game (what the heck is up with the Mahogany arc) keeps it from being the best to me, as does the fact that it/GSC are super-reliant on pokemon from a previous game; GSC only introduces 100 new pokemon, many of them aftergame only, and even most gym leaders/E4 use old 'mons as their signature.

swordz9 posted...
Speaking of Clair what a garbage gym leader. Quite possibly the worst one in the entire series.


More like one of the best. Clair is one of the few gym leaders who had a bit of personality and/or took some action in the story beyond being a robot who just hands out badges. And was one of the few tough fights in the original GSC.
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MrGreenonion
11/26/17 8:43:47 PM
#33:


swordz9 posted...
Black/White are the worst by a mile imo

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DeepsPraw
11/26/17 8:48:04 PM
#34:


battles in 4th gen are excruciatingly slow. It feels like everything's stuck in molasses

thank god for gen 5
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DeepsPraw
11/26/17 8:49:11 PM
#35:


kateee posted...
DP was actually the worst and the only reason i need is the speed at which HP bars drain.


isn't this not fixed at all in HGSS

I remember that game being slow as hell also
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Arti
11/26/17 8:51:01 PM
#36:


B2/W2 are the best Pokemon games
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DeepsPraw
11/26/17 8:54:14 PM
#37:


Arti posted...
B2/W2 are the best Pokemon games


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CelesMyUserName
11/26/17 8:59:22 PM
#38:


MrGreenonion posted...
swordz9 posted...
Black/White are the worst by a mile imo

fixed

what the f
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swordz9
11/26/17 8:59:41 PM
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NeoElfboy posted...
swordz9 posted...
Speaking of Clair what a garbage gym leader. Quite possibly the worst one in the entire series.


More like one of the best. Clair is one of the few gym leaders who had a bit of personality and/or took some action in the story beyond being a robot who just hands out badges. And was one of the few tough fights in the original GSC.

Clair's awful. She's a pathetic sore loser who refuses to give you a badge when you beat her and then sends you on a task she feels you can't possibly accomplish because she couldn't do it. When you complete that she still refuses to give you the badge until somebody threatens to tell Lance on her or something which causes her to finally give it to you. She's a disgrace to gym leaders
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XIII_rocks
11/26/17 10:37:00 PM
#40:


GSC is comfortably the worst Pokemon game until the final two bosses. They save it a bit.

HGSS realised the potential it had by filling out Kanto but it's still working within that original GSC framework, which is not great

Best for me are either RBY or BW
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SSJBGenkiDama
11/26/17 10:44:56 PM
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HGSS have a pretty solid argument for best (that and BW) if you are a Gen 1 hater.
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MrGreenonion
11/27/17 2:59:35 AM
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CelesMyUserName posted...
MrGreenonion posted...
swordz9 posted...
Black/White are the worst by a mile imo

fixed

what the f

Black/White had a RIDICULOUS encounter rate and XP scaling bullshit. Traversing the routes was a horrible experience and it made the games unplayable.
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Nanis23
11/27/17 3:37:49 AM
#43:


MrGreenonion posted...
XP scaling bullshit.

What the hell are you smoking?
The XP scaling is the best thing BW and SM/USUM did
This is what makes those games at more challenging than the rest (as long as you don't use EXP Share in SM)
This is what makes it not possible to use a solo starter and run away with it

Sure it sucks later when you want to level up Pokemon to level 100 and stuff, but for the in-game progression? it's amazing
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MrGreenonion
11/27/17 7:56:14 AM
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Oh yeah nothing I love more than fighting twice as many repetitive random encounters
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XIII_rocks
11/27/17 8:49:42 AM
#45:


MrGreenonion posted...
Oh yeah nothing I love more than fighting twice as many repetitive random encounters


I never felt underlevelled at any point

Also, like, there are repels if the encounter rate is a problem
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Nanis23
11/27/17 9:18:25 AM
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MrGreenonion posted...
Oh yeah nothing I love more than fighting twice as many repetitive random encounters

So you prefer to say "Pokemon is too easy" then?

USUM are the most challenging games in the series by far and I like this
I am always underleveled
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MrGreenonion
11/27/17 1:26:45 PM
#47:


Nanis23 posted...
MrGreenonion posted...
Oh yeah nothing I love more than fighting twice as many repetitive random encounters

So you prefer to say "Pokemon is too easy" then?

USUM are the most challenging games in the series by far and I like this
I am always underleveled

I never had a problem with the normal level of difficulty in Pokemon. It's not a game I play for challenge.
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NFUN
11/27/17 1:34:38 PM
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MrGreenonion posted...
Nanis23 posted...
MrGreenonion posted...
Oh yeah nothing I love more than fighting twice as many repetitive random encounters

So you prefer to say "Pokemon is too easy" then?

USUM are the most challenging games in the series by far and I like this
I am always underleveled

I never had a problem with the normal level of difficulty in Pokemon. It's not a game I play for challenge.

If you don't want any challenge it's just a game of little but grinding.
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MrGreenonion
11/27/17 3:23:10 PM
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I mean... yeah? I would prefer if there were no single player campaign at all, just start at the post-game plz
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