Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 148.2: Still, Don't Sexually Assault People

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Yeah there's NO chance that happened, lol.
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Predicting Women will be Time POTY
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He could still have another fake cover made
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EndOfDiscOne posted...

Predicting Women will be Time POTY

You mean Womyn.
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You mean Why men, why?

EDIT: no way that call happened. I don't think an individual person will win it this year -- something between #metoo and THE RESISTANCE is my guess. Who knows though, I just don't see him being it back-to-back.
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Thats gonna be a complicated photo shoot/interview to pull off
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Or The Victims
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DPa59EnXkAg5Qty?format=jpg&name=small

Look at this freaking lineup

It is testing my moral fiber not to advocate for the roof to collapse
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Jakyl25 posted...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DPa59EnXkAg5Qty?format=jpg&name=small

Look at this freaking lineup

It is testing my moral fiber not to advocate for the roof to collapse

Apparently Scott Walker's first name is actually Governor.
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https://twitter.com/time/status/934231984099995649

The President is incorrect about how we choose Person of the Year. TIME does not comment on our choice until publication, which is December 6.

Incorrect. How diplomatic
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you really think someone would do that?

just go on twitter and tell lies?
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To be fair, it is not outside the realm of possibilities that his people had someone pretend to be calling on behalf of Time Magazine, to stroke his ego.
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Oh yeah in case anyone didn't know, racism still very much a thing in Canada, holy fuck the encounter I had today on the bus.

Just some young white kid who sounded drunk as fuck on a tirade over the phone for like 40 minutes without even the slightest effort to lower his voice of the shit he was saying about Chinese/asians, blacks, Mexican, Jews, Somalis, "terrorists"... complaining about them taking over the country, how there's no more white people and white people can't be hired anymore because "it's discrimination or something". Saying they come over running away from their country's problems and just ruin ours, call themselves Canadians but "Canadians don't have c**** eyes". Oh yeah and "Japanese people are only smart because they make anime."

Like this was a bus with plenty of asian people, hijabi women, and black guys he's all complaining about ("What am I supposed to call them African American? But what if they aren't???") and again he doesn't have the slightest bit of care about his volume so people are staring back and moving away.

anyhow yeah I just couldn't believe it so yeah posting
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Those tend to be isolated cases, but they do exist.

Now racism towards First Nations is very common and almost acceptable in some places.
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Yeah, the stereotype of Canada I have is that they are just as dismissive of Natives as we are
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you know who else was time's person of the year at one point...?
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so apparently ISIS was responsible for the egyptian mosque attack.

but we totally won the war against ISIS, guys!
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Jakyl25 posted...

To be fair, it is not outside the realm of possibilities that his people had someone pretend to be calling on behalf of Time Magazine, to stroke his ego.

This was my first thought as to what actually happened.
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

so apparently ISIS was responsible for the egyptian mosque attack.

but we totally won the war against ISIS, guys!

We've won in Iraq

Also this attack was likely a local extremist organization that sympathizes with ISIS, not ISIS itself.
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yeah, i just got that from a dutch news report (though they did add a "we're not entirely sure it's ISIS yet" caveat). if it turns out it's not ISIS i apologize.
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I mean what exactly is the meaningful difference between ISIS and ISIS sympathizers who carry out terrorist attacks?
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kevwaffles posted...

I mean what exactly is the meaningful difference between ISIS and ISIS sympathizers who carry out terrorist attacks?

Seph's ego.
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Saw a great idea to get a reaction out of Trump

Make Hillary the Person of the Year
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Amusing as that is, there is absolutely no justification for it.
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Well according to Fox News she dominated the headlines this year
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https://twitter.com/seanmcelwee/status/934483205004103680

Good example of the disturbing trend in the NYT of coddling white nationalism
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Jakyl25 posted...

https://twitter.com/seanmcelwee/status/934483205004103680

Good example of the disturbing trend in the NYT of coddling white nationalism

oh for the love of--

The quote from the first article supports the writer's thesis, that the seeming normacy of white supremicists is part and parcel of why they are dangerous, as explicitly stated in this quote:

If the Charlottesville rally came as a shock, with hundreds of white Americans marching in support of ideologies many have long considered too vile, dangerous or stupid to enter the political mainstream, it obscured the fact that some in the small, loosely defined alt-right movement are hoping to make those ideas seem less than shocking for the normies, or normal people, that its sympathizers have tended to mock online.

And to go from mocking to wooing, the movement will be looking to make use of people like the Hovaters and their trappings of normie life their fondness for National Public Radio, their four cats, their bridal registry.

Meanwhile, in the second one, the very next paragraph says

At the same time, he regularly flashed a broad smile that endeared those around him. He overcame early struggles in school to graduate on time. He was pointed toward a trade college and a career and, his parents hoped, toward a successful life.

It's almost like taking random paragraphs and presenting them without context can serve to falsely illustrate some random, conspiratorial thesis that has no basis in reality.
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I dont think those paragraphs absolve any of the prior ones at all, particularly for the Nazi.
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I dunno, I think a lot of people like to say shit like "Nazis/White Nationalists don't exist" because they don't see actual Hitlers running around committing genocides in their towns.

But it's important to humanize them so people realize that just because someone likes Seinfield and is polite to their neighbors doesn't mean they're not harboring horrific ideas.
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Yeah, Jakyl, this is Corrik levels of missing the point.
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My beef is that the author doesnt play his views off as really all that awful at all. The disdain is definitely there in a subtle way, but its WAY too subtle. He sets the reader up to make the leap that this guy is objectively evil but does none of the legwork to drill it home to people who dont see him as an existential threat.

If youre not paying super close attention and are already wired to hate white nationalism, it really comes across like Wow this guy has extreme beliefs, but really they arent that extreme if you think about it. He has some valid points.

Fuck that.
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kevwaffles posted...

Yeah, Jakyl, this is Corrik levels of missing the point.

Well the difference is that if nobody else sees it my way Ill concede.

The Nazi article just really bothered me
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This is like hearing the otherwise assumed normal people say "Hail Hydra" in Captain America 2 and asking, "Why are they making Hydra the good guys?"
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Can you assure me that the bad guys lose in the end here too? <_<
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Could they at least not have included the active link to where to buy swastika merchandise?
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Umm, gonna have to ask for a source on that.
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Jakyl25 posted...

https://twitter.com/seanmcelwee/status/934483205004103680

Good example of the disturbing trend in the NYT of coddling white nationalism

I don't have as much of an issue with the one on the left as I do with the one on the right ("he was no angel" is basically the poster child for racism in journalism right now though so at least it gets appropriate backlash). The point the author is making about Nazism might be too subtle (it usually is) but at least it's not complete trash like "he drank ALCOHOL and wrote RAP MUSIC".
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Jakyl25 posted...

My beef is that the author doesnt play his views off as really all that awful at all. The disdain is definitely there in a subtle way, but its WAY too subtle. He sets the reader up to make the leap that this guy is objectively evil but does none of the legwork to drill it home to people who dont see him as an existential threat.

...Welcome to journalism? A reporter will generally go out of his or her way to be seen as neutral, which means calling an act something "most Americans would find despicable" rather than outright calling it "despicable." This is because the reporter sees their job as to present the facts, and the reader's job to reach the conclusion those facts lead to.

If you're not seeing the conclusion, Jakyl, then that's on you.

(also the "he was no angel" was a direct reference to something Brown had told his father before he died, which was brought up in the opening paragraph of the piece; like most things complained about on Twitter, it's significantly overblown.)
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dowolf posted...

If you're not seeing the conclusion, Jakyl, then that's on you.

If someone like Jakyl isn't seeing the conclusion then 99% of readers are gonna miss it too, which is I think exactly what his criticism is? Like way to make his point for him, I guess.
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kevwaffles posted...

Umm, gonna have to ask for a source on that.

This sentence

On its website, a swastika armband goes for $20.

Used to be hotlinked right to Nazi fuck faces partys store page

Thankfully they have removed the link, although they still link to his podcast where he talks about the impending glorious end to diversity under Trump
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Kenri posted...

dowolf posted...

If you're not seeing the conclusion, Jakyl, then that's on you.

If someone like Jakyl isn't seeing the conclusion then 99% of readers are gonna miss it too, which is I think exactly what his criticism is? Like way to make his point for him, I guess.

No, I DO in fact see the conclusion, but only because Ive got a radar to be able to instantly pick apart their rhetorical talking points.

My worry is that the average reader might not know that assholes conversation pieces about how Hitler wasnt as bad as they tell you and Holocaust casualty numbers are inflated by the Jews who control governments and media are bullshit.
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Like, CNN fact checks Trump in their headlines. There is no fact checking of this bumblefucks claims in the entire article
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https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/11/25/insider/white-nationalist-interview-questions.html

THIS is kinda interesting though

A response to the piece by the author of it himself, frustrated that it basically serves no purpose because there is no logic to the source of the subjects extreme viewpoints, as far as he could find
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Its kind of shifted my mindset some.

I think THAT is the real, ironically substantive piece of work, and the actual profile piece is just the necessary context for it.
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Jakyl25 posted...

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/11/25/insider/white-nationalist-interview-questions.html

THIS is kinda interesting though

A response to the piece by the author of it himself, frustrated that it basically serves no purpose because there is no logic to the source of the subjects extreme viewpoints, as far as he could find

That's more interesting but it's still hella soft on a literal Nazi. Like take this line:

Why did this man intelligent, socially adroit and raised middle class amid the relatively well-integrated environments of United States military bases gravitate toward the furthest extremes of American political discourse?

Why is this person being described as intelligent or socially adroit? I certainly didn't see anything in either article that points that way; in fact, descriptions in the original article of how he's a Holocaust denier and alienated tons of his friends point to the exact opposite.
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I think the fact that a Nazi can actually be seen as socially adroit is a huge part of the issue.

Its almost as if a quarter of the country is deplorable. I wonder why no one ever said that before
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Also, "gravitate towards the furthest extremes of American political discourse" is a really soft way of putting it still

he's a fucking nazi

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/26/politics/pelosi-conyers-icon-mtp/index.html

Disappointing to hear Pelosi be nakedly partisan on these allegations
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politics as a team sport has always been the worst
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Jakyl25 posted...

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/26/politics/pelosi-conyers-icon-mtp/index.html

Disappointing to hear Pelosi be nakedly partisan on these allegations

I'd like to know if she actually said anything regarding Moore. It's not partisan if she maintains a similar stance across platforms.
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