Poll of the Day > blizzard throwin shade at EA lmao

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helIy
11/15/17 1:11:32 AM
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J_Dawg983
11/15/17 1:15:20 AM
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Well they made diablo 3 a shit game and theyre forever on my shit list.
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Yellow
11/15/17 1:16:44 AM
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They're ones to talk.

How many hours does it take to get a decent card collection in HS, huh?
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Krazy_Kirby
11/15/17 1:22:22 AM
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as if blizzard can talk. they have had mounts and vanity pets on the store for years....
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helIy
11/15/17 1:31:14 AM
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Krazy_Kirby posted...
as if blizzard can talk. they have had mounts and vanity pets on the store for years....

which literally is nothing like that ea did to battlefront 2

J_Dawg983 posted...
Well they made diablo 3 a shit game and theyre forever on my shit list.

it's way better than diablo 2, so no
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Mead
11/15/17 1:35:39 AM
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J_Dawg983 posted...
Well they made diablo 3 a shit game and theyre forever on my shit list.


It got better. Diablo 2 is one of my top games ever but objectively I have to say that D3 eventually surpassed it.
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Krazy_Kirby
11/15/17 1:36:42 AM
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helIy posted...
Krazy_Kirby posted...
as if blizzard can talk. they have had mounts and vanity pets on the store for years....

which literally is nothing like that ea did to battlefront 2



what about selling gold? because blizzard sells gold for WoW
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SunWuKung420
11/15/17 1:58:35 AM
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Krazy_Kirby posted...
what about selling gold? because blizzard sells gold for WoW


For people lazier than me. Getting gold in wow is easy. You don't need to buy gold in wow. Blizzard made it an option so Chinese farmers would become pointless.
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BlazeAndBlade
11/15/17 2:00:47 AM
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J_Dawg983 posted...
Well they made diablo 3 a shit game and theyre forever on my shit list.


still better than what deep silver did to the sacred game series
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helIy
11/15/17 2:02:30 AM
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Krazy_Kirby posted...
helIy posted...
Krazy_Kirby posted...
as if blizzard can talk. they have had mounts and vanity pets on the store for years....

which literally is nothing like that ea did to battlefront 2



what about selling gold? because blizzard sells gold for WoW

not really.

you buy a token for money, and you can either redeem it for a month of game time, or sell it on the auction house. it's not really like buying gold from chinese sellers, and actually doing that gets you banned.

how wow does it is actually really nice.
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TigerTycoon
11/15/17 2:04:17 AM
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While Overwatch's loot crates system is better than EA's, Overwatch is what's responsible for the massive influx of loot boxes in fully priced AAA games as after other publishers saw Overwatch not only get away with it, but make massive amounts of money off of loot crates, they all started aggressively incorporating loot boxes into their own games.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLDid1UNyg8

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JunkoEnoshima
11/15/17 2:07:54 AM
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yeah but overwatch didn't invent paying for predatory RNG, mobile games have been doin that for years
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TigerTycoon
11/15/17 2:15:51 AM
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JunkoEnoshima posted...
yeah but overwatch didn't invent paying for predatory RNG, mobile games have been doin that for years

Okay? The fact that Overwatch popularized loot crates in fully priced AAA games instead of inventing loot crates from scratch doesn't make them completely removed from the "AAA game loot crate epidemic" we're facing now as they would have you believe. It also doesn't change that the large majority of people who buy loot crates on any platform are either whales or gambling addicts, or both.
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Krazy_Kirby
11/15/17 2:26:05 AM
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TigerTycoon posted...
JunkoEnoshima posted...
yeah but overwatch didn't invent paying for predatory RNG, mobile games have been doin that for years

Okay? The fact that Overwatch popularized loot crates in fully priced AAA games instead of inventing loot crates from scratch doesn't make them completely removed from the "AAA game loot crate epidemic" we're facing now as they would have you believe. It also doesn't change that the large majority of people who buy loot crates on any platform are either whales or gambling addicts, or both.


mass effect 3 multiplayer had rng loot crates
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helIy
11/15/17 2:29:02 AM
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TigerTycoon posted...
While Overwatch's loot crates system is better than EA's, Overwatch is what's responsible for the massive influx of loot boxes in fully priced AAA games as after other publishers saw Overwatch not only get away with it, but make massive amounts of money off of loot crates, they all started aggressively incorporating loot boxes into their own games.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLDid1UNyg8

yeah, because overwatch was the first ever game to do that, and not the overwhelming amount of mobile games that've been doing it for literally so many years
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MajinSoulx
11/15/17 2:39:57 AM
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Wait, I'm not really up to date with the whole SC2 f2p switch. But back when I played it you most certainly had to buy certain commanders with money like Abatur e.g. Yes, it takes 0 hours to unlock him but you have to spend money on it and that's just as bad.

Besides, they themselves have a full priced game that's designed around lootboxes...
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TigerTycoon
11/15/17 2:49:43 AM
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helIy posted...
TigerTycoon posted...
While Overwatch's loot crates system is better than EA's, Overwatch is what's responsible for the massive influx of loot boxes in fully priced AAA games as after other publishers saw Overwatch not only get away with it, but make massive amounts of money off of loot crates, they all started aggressively incorporating loot boxes into their own games.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLDid1UNyg8

yeah, because overwatch was the first ever game to do that, and not the overwhelming amount of mobile games that've been doing it for literally so many years

TigerTycoon posted...
Okay? The fact that Overwatch popularized loot crates in fully priced AAA games instead of inventing loot crates from scratch doesn't make them completely removed from the "AAA game loot crate epidemic" we're facing now as they would have you believe. It also doesn't change that the large majority of people who buy loot crates on any platform are either whales or gambling addicts, or both.

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shadowsword87
11/15/17 2:52:06 AM
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Y'all know the SC2 team has nothing to do with any of the other projects now, right?
All of the development has pulled from them to other stuff.
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GanonsSpirit
11/15/17 2:56:57 AM
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Uh, Overwatch didn't popularize lootboxes in AAA games. TF2 and CS:GO did.
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shadowsword87
11/15/17 2:58:50 AM
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GanonsSpirit posted...
Uh, Overwatch didn't popularize lootboxes in AAA games. TF2 and CS:GO did.


So they became popular immediately after Valve did it?
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helIy
11/15/17 2:59:18 AM
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TigerTycoon posted...
JunkoEnoshima posted...
yeah but overwatch didn't invent paying for predatory RNG, mobile games have been doin that for years

Okay? The fact that Overwatch popularized loot crates in fully priced AAA games instead of inventing loot crates from scratch doesn't make them completely removed from the "AAA game loot crate epidemic" we're facing now as they would have you believe. It also doesn't change that the large majority of people who buy loot crates on any platform are either whales or gambling addicts, or both.

except they did not popularize them

they came out when lootboxes were already super popular in games like CSGO, TF2, and a slew of mobile games like clash of clans
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T0ffee
11/15/17 3:52:29 AM
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helIy posted...
except they did not popularize them

they came out when lootboxes were already super popular in games like CSGO, TF2, and a slew of mobile games like clash of clans


https://www.giantbomb.com/loot-boxes/3015-9059/games/

You can see that directly after Overwatch came out, games with lootboxes start coming out every month. Sometimes, even just a few days in between.

Before that, you'd see a few months or even a few years between games with lootboxes.

So yeah, Overwatch kinda did popularize lootboxes.
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Kaguya_Kimimaro
11/15/17 3:56:33 AM
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GanonsSpirit posted...
Uh, Overwatch didn't popularize lootboxes in AAA games. TF2 and CS:GO did.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLDid1UNyg8&t=922s

Well if what this guy says can be trusted (Don't know him personally, so that's why I say that, I really don't know).....
TF2-Overwatch: 15 or around there games with boxes over......6 years I think?.
Overwatch-Now: 22+ games with Boxes in one or two years.

I mean MAYBE it not be the sole culprit for the boxes popularity, but if what he says is right it's one of the big offenders.....
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JunkoEnoshima
11/15/17 4:06:27 AM
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TigerTycoon posted...

Okay? The fact that Overwatch popularized loot crates in fully priced AAA games instead of inventing loot crates from scratch doesn't make them completely removed from the "AAA game loot crate epidemic" we're facing now as they would have you believe.

they would not have me believe this
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T0ffee
11/15/17 4:12:27 AM
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JunkoEnoshima posted...
TigerTycoon posted...

Okay? The fact that Overwatch popularized loot crates in fully priced AAA games instead of inventing loot crates from scratch doesn't make them completely removed from the "AAA game loot crate epidemic" we're facing now as they would have you believe.

they would not have me believe this


https://www.gamespot.com/articles/overwatch-doesnt-belong-in-loot-box-controversy-di/1100-6454766/

quote from Blizzard CEO Mike Morhaime
"I think there's absolutely nothing wrong with crates that give you randomized items..." "I think that whatever the controversy is, I don't think Overwatch belongs in that controversy."

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DocDelicious
11/15/17 4:59:05 AM
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Diablo 3, Heroes of the Storm, Overwatch, World of Warcraft, Hearthstone. All loaded with microtransactions.

They picked they only game in their line-up that doesn't have microtransactions, held it up and went, "Don't look at all the other nonsense please".
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GanonsSpirit
11/15/17 5:04:40 AM
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T0ffee posted...
https://www.giantbomb.com/loot-boxes/3015-9059/games/

You can see that directly after Overwatch came out, games with lootboxes start coming out every month. Sometimes, even just a few days in between.

Before that, you'd see a few months or even a few years between games with lootboxes.

So yeah, Overwatch kinda did popularize lootboxes.

A third of the games after Overwatch are in series that had lootboxes before Overwatch. Half of them are from EA or Activision, which were already shoving them into whatever they could.
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helIy
11/15/17 6:04:03 AM
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why is cod 4 original on that list?

it didn't have loot boxes then
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Ultima_Dragoon
11/15/17 6:42:19 AM
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Overwatch is a solid game first and foremost and the loot box system was welcomed because it was a solid influx of cool cosmetic shit that was a bonus to playing the game.

Now loot boxes are overdone, stale, and are starting to make games grindier, and the whole focus of these games is how much shit are you willing to put up with to get those cosmetic (and sometimes more than cosmetic) items instead of focusing on enjoying the actual game.
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Babbit55
11/15/17 7:41:22 AM
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Ah yes, Blizzard ACTIVISION, that well know bastion of decently in the gaming arena....

Oh wait no, Activision is literally the worst offender for bull in gaming, hell there new patent is literally a way to sell DLC guns easier with matchmaking....

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-10-18-activision-patented-method-of-tuning-matchmaking-to-boost-microtransactions

Also, Blizzard have tons of games with Microtransactions up the arse, and Star Craft 2 does have microtransactions to buy commanders.......

https://eu.shop.battle.net/en-gb/family/starcraft-ii

Also that free to play tweet, most misleading tweet ever. Only free to play all commanders to level 5* also only 1st part of the campaign*
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Jiggy101011
11/15/17 7:46:03 AM
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Halo 5 had loot crates and that game out in October 2015 while Overwatch came out in May 2016. So wouldn't Halo 5 be the game that popularized it?
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adjl
11/15/17 8:05:37 AM
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helIy posted...
they came out when lootboxes were already super popular in games like CSGO, TF2, and a slew of mobile games like clash of clans


The key difference being that none of those games are $60. TF2 was once a paid game, but went F2P when they decided the F2P+Microtransaction model made more sense.

helIy posted...
J_Dawg983 posted...
Well they made diablo 3 a shit game and theyre forever on my shit list.

it's way better than diablo 2, so no


Only after they abandoned their original monetization plan that resulted in the core loot mechanics of the game being gutted to promote AH use and thereby make ActiBlizz more money. People saying Diablo 3 sucked are generally saying that because they tried it near launch and were so thoroughly disappointed that they have no interest in giving it another chance, rather than based on trying it more recently.

The only reason the game's any decent now is because people hated the RMAH so much that Blizzard needed to axe it for the game to have any chance of continued success (which is to say, further updates and content releases to sell more copies and entice existing players to buy DLC/expansions, as well as any ability to ever hype a Diablo 4). They made Diablo 3 a bad game with their monetization ideas, and fixed them not out of any sort of good will, but because the bad PR was hurting their bottom line.
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-Komaiko54-
11/15/17 8:45:54 AM
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Jiggy101011 posted...
Halo 5 had loot crates and that game out in October 2015 while Overwatch came out in May 2016. So wouldn't Halo 5 be the game that popularized it?


The difference is Halo 5 was shit and Overwatch exploded on all platforms,
thus shoving the lootbox scam to everyone
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green dragon
11/15/17 8:49:34 AM
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I legit have zero respect for anyone who complains about lootboxes in overwatch.

After you pay for the game, you get free maps, free heroes, and free balances.

Lootboxes only contain cosmetic items, and it really isn't hard to build up currency in overwatch.
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Ultima_Dragoon
11/15/17 8:57:14 AM
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green dragon posted...
and it really isn't hard to build up currency in overwatch.

Well, I was with you until that part. It didn't use to be hard, until they did us a favor and removed that pesky gold from showing up so often, and decreasing the duplicates chances so that you won't get the gold compensation. I mean, it was good in theory, but now I'm perpetually broke.
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Dikitain
11/15/17 9:31:18 AM
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Yellow posted...
They're ones to talk.

How many hours does it take to get a decent card collection in HS, huh?

I don't know if it has been mentioned before but:

HS = Free to play game
Battlefront 2 = 60 FUCKING DOLLARS ON TOP OF WALLET MOLESTATION!!!!!!!!!!!
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Babbit55
11/15/17 9:32:57 AM
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Dikitain posted...
Yellow posted...
They're ones to talk.

How many hours does it take to get a decent card collection in HS, huh?

I don't know if it has been mentioned before but:

HS = Free to play game
Battlefront 2 = 60 FUCKING DOLLARS ON TOP OF WALLET MOLESTATION!!!!!!!!!!!


Aye, however there tweet is misleading at best!

Babbit55 posted...
Ah yes, Blizzard ACTIVISION, that well know bastion of decently in the gaming arena....

Oh wait no, Activision is literally the worst offender for bull in gaming, hell there new patent is literally a way to sell DLC guns easier with matchmaking....

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-10-18-activision-patented-method-of-tuning-matchmaking-to-boost-microtransactions

Also, Blizzard have tons of games with Microtransactions up the arse, and Star Craft 2 does have microtransactions to buy commanders.......

https://eu.shop.battle.net/en-gb/family/starcraft-ii

Also that free to play tweet, most misleading tweet ever. Only free to play all commanders to level 5* also only 1st part of the campaign*

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-Komaiko54-
11/15/17 9:44:22 AM
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green dragon posted...
I legit have zero respect for anyone who complains about lootboxes in overwatch.

After you pay for the game, you get free maps, free heroes, and free balances.

Lootboxes only contain cosmetic items, and it really isn't hard to build up currency in overwatch.


You have to unlock every blue/gray item in the game before you can start piling up money
even then you only get like 50-75 coins per regular box lmao
Don't pretend like there wasn't a justified outrage during the bull crap anniversary event
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InfestedAdam
11/15/17 9:51:12 AM
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Overall I wouldn't say Blizzard is a perfect and flawless company but I still feel they are more willing to listen to their fans and fulfill their needs, at some point, more so than some other AAA developers.

MajinSoulx posted...
Wait, I'm not really up to date with the whole SC2 f2p switch. But back when I played it you most certainly had to buy certain commanders with money like Abatur e.g. Yes, it takes 0 hours to unlock him but you have to spend money on it and that's just as bad.

I believe the Wings of Liberty campaign is now free. Co-co commander Raynor, Kerrigan, and Artanis can be played for free while the paid commanders can be played for free up until level 5.

http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/21173629/starcraft-ii-going-free-to-play-explained-11-3-2017

Mead posted...
objectively I have to say that D3 eventually surpassed it.

Even as someone who likes Diablo III more than Diablo II, I am not sure what you mean by this. Please clarify.

SunWuKung420 posted...
Krazy_Kirby posted...
what about selling gold? because blizzard sells gold for WoW

For people lazier than me. Getting gold in wow is easy. You don't need to buy gold in wow. Blizzard made it an option so Chinese farmers would become pointless.

helIy posted...
Krazy_Kirby posted...
what about selling gold? because blizzard sells gold for WoW

not really.
you buy a token for money, and you can either redeem it for a month of game time, or sell it on the auction house. it's not really like buying gold from chinese sellers, and actually doing that gets you banned.

how wow does it is actually really nice.

To some degree I see Blizzard allowing players to sell gold to be almost on par with Isk being sold in EVE Online. Players can sell Isk for gametime or buy Isk to avoid the need to farm.
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JoanOfArcade
11/15/17 9:59:06 AM
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I'm gonna buy like 40 bucks worth of in game currency for battlefront 2 right now, fight me
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papercup
11/15/17 10:12:02 AM
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helIy posted...
Krazy_Kirby posted...
as if blizzard can talk. they have had mounts and vanity pets on the store for years....

which literally is nothing like that ea did to battlefront 2

J_Dawg983 posted...
Well they made diablo 3 a shit game and theyre forever on my shit list.

it's way better than diablo 2, so no


Well, it's better NOW. But I'm not going to deny that it was a pile of shit at launch, and was so for a long time.
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adjl
11/15/17 10:26:09 AM
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JoanOfArcade posted...
I'm gonna buy like 40 bucks worth of in game currency for battlefront 2 right now, fight me

ahhfKqr

>.>
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Ultima_Dragoon
11/15/17 10:38:47 AM
#43:


JoanOfArcade posted...
I'm gonna buy like 40 bucks worth of in game currency for battlefront 2 right now, fight me

Well you're clearly stronger now so I can't fight you
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ZiggiStardust
11/15/17 10:42:20 AM
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adjl posted...
ahhfKqr

>.>

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AllstarSniper32
11/15/17 11:04:16 AM
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-Komaiko54- posted...
green dragon posted...
I legit have zero respect for anyone who complains about lootboxes in overwatch.

After you pay for the game, you get free maps, free heroes, and free balances.

Lootboxes only contain cosmetic items, and it really isn't hard to build up currency in overwatch.


You have to unlock every blue/gray item in the game before you can start piling up money
even then you only get like 50-75 coins per regular box lmao
Don't pretend like there wasn't a justified outrage during the bull crap anniversary event

None of this matters because the only thing you get from Overwatch loot crates are cosmetic items. You don't get anything like a hero unlock, or a damage boosting item. That's the problem with people trying to compare the current situation with Overwatch. The two loot crate system are completely different.

And if BF2 had the same loot crate system as Overwatch no one would care. Because having loot crates solely for cosmetic items is fine.

You know what I'd want a chance to get in a BF2 loot crate? A pink Vader skin.
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JoanOfArcade
11/15/17 11:39:20 AM
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adjl posted...
JoanOfArcade posted...
I'm gonna buy like 40 bucks worth of in game currency for battlefront 2 right now, fight me

ahhfKqr

>.>

Nah I just extra money and have no problem getting extra shit. I'll still be terrible at the game.
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JoanOfArcade
11/15/17 11:42:23 AM
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I'm gonna shill for EA now if you get EA access they give you a ten hour trial of the full game and the campaign is like six hours, so you could play the campaign and a few hours of multiplayer for like five or ten bucks I think it is.
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helIy
11/15/17 2:04:33 PM
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i mean or you could wait and get it from redbox and do the same thing, cheaper, and not be giving EA any money
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Blightzkrieg
11/15/17 2:05:39 PM
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AllstarSniper32 posted...
You know what I'd want a chance to get in a BF2 loot crate? A pink Vader skin.

I'd love a summer event for BF2 where you get swimsuit versions for everybody.
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MoreRpgs
11/15/17 2:10:12 PM
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J_Dawg983 posted...
Well they made diablo 3 a shit game and theyre forever on my shit list.


Nah its a good game
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