Current Events > Trump blames the Democrat's "Diversity Visa Lottery" for NYC terrorist

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The program:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/11/01/extreme-right-gins-up-a-culprit-for-n-y-terror-attack-chuck-schumer/

As details emerged about the incident, prominent right-wing commentators and news outlets seized on an ABC7 story reporting that alleged attacker Sayfullo Saipov had come to the United States from Uzbekistan under a State Department program known as the Diversity Visa Lottery. That story is unconfirmed, but Trump appeared off base in his criticism of Schumer. The New York Democrat was among a group of lawmakers who sought to drop the visa protocols assailed by Trump.

Schumer, some claimed, was the brains behind the program and therefore, of course, bears responsibility for the attack. In news interviews, blog posts and overnight tweets, critics tried to pin blame on the New York Democrat, saying he was responsible for allowing the 29-year-old suspects entry into the country.

Trump's tweet:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/925684982307348480

The terrorist came into our country through what is called the "Diversity Visa Lottery Program," a Chuck Schumer beauty. I want merit based.

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It's nice we have a president with a pair of balls for once.
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One or two bad people slipping though the cracks does not mean the program is to blame. No program is perfect. I mean Trumps extreme vetting wouldn't have stopped this man ether.
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So, we're going to blame an entire program for the actions of only one person?
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You are unintelligent, Admiral.

Solar_Crimson posted...

So, we're going to blame an entire program for the actions of only one person?

Just like how Chuck "I helped a pedophile enter the US just to spite Trump" Schumer thinks about the second amendment.

"b-but this is different"
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Tropicalwood posted...

Solar_Crimson posted...

So, we're going to blame an entire program for the actions of only one person?

Just like how Chuck "I helped a pedophile enter the US just to spite Trump" Schumer thinks about the second amendment.

"b-but this is different"

To paraphrase Trump, there are idiots on both sides.
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Solar_Crimson posted...

So, we're going to blame an entire program for the actions of only one person?

That's what Republicans do. That's what they always do.
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But I thought Republicans were against politicizing tragedies?
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K181 posted...

But I thought Republicans were against politicizing tragedies?

Only when white people commit them.
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Kavatar posted...

Solar_Crimson posted...

So, we're going to blame an entire program for the actions of only one person?

That's what Republicans do. That's what they always do.

This is what you guys do with the second amendment each time some mentally ill person goes on a shooting spree.

We need to have better precautions in place to prevent mentally ill people from purchasing firearms, but the firearms themselves are not going away.
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K181 posted...

But I thought Republicans were against politicizing tragedies?

Only if it doesn't benefit them

shockthemonkey posted...

Youre not dumb enough to believe there has only been one person to ever use guns illegally, are you?

You're not dumb enough to believe the actions of one man are reason enough to ban bump-fire stocks, are you?
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Just to provide some added context as to Schumer's role and what the program does.

The diversity visa program has been around for more than 20 years, offering a limited number of visas to people from parts of the world that have relatively few immigrants in the United States.

Schumer did play a key role in drawing up the program in 1990. His proposals eventually became part of a broader immigration package that was passed by Congress in a bipartisan vote and signed into law by a Republican president.
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Congress approved the Diversity Visa Lottery, also known as the green card lottery, as part of the Immigration Act of 1990, but it didnt take effect until 1995.

Under the program, the State Department offers 50,000 visas to each year to immigrants from parts of the world with relatively low immigration rates over the previous five years. Most visas go to people from African nations, as The Washington Post has reported.

To qualify, applicants must have a high school education or two years in an occupation in that requires formal training. Those who meet eligibility requirements are selected at random from a computer lottery. The State Department refers to them as diversity immigrants.

The program did originate in part in a bill introduced in 1990 by Schumer, who was then a member of the House. He proposed making a set numbers of visas available each year to diversity immigrants from low-admission countries.

Schumers measure was absorbed into a broader House immigration bill, which was sponsored by Schumer and 31 others, including several Republicans. The legislation passed in a bipartisan vote of 231-192. The Senate version, which contained the diversity immigrants provision, passed in an overwhelming 89-8 vote and was signed into law by President George H.W. Bush at the end of 1990.

For the past decade or so, political leaders have debated whether to keep issuing diversity visas.

A Congressional Research Service report from 2011 noted that some lawmakers and government officials had raised concerns about the program, suggesting that there were national security reasons to eliminate it. The report mentioned one case in which an Egyptian immigrant whose spouse was a diversity immigrant shot and killed two people at Los Angeles International Airport. It also cited disagreement over the reliability of background checks in countries that qualified at the time for the diversity lottery.

The U.S. Government Accountability Office reviewed the program in 2007 and found no documented evidence that diversity immigrants posed a terrorist threat, but concluded that the program was vulnerable to fraud. The State Department under President George W. Bush rejected the agencys recommendations, contending that its fraud screening program was robust.

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Caution998 posted...

We need to have better precautions in place to prevent mentally ill people from purchasing firearms, but the firearms themselves are not going away.

You're not going to keep ideas from flowing across the Internet and radicalizing people here in America by curtailing immigration. Which is what happened in this case.

If you ostracized Muslims less for their religion they would be less likely to become radicalized.

People like you are to blame for this terrorism, by your own logic.

Isn't this a program that has been around since the 90's.
It's actually how's my family and I came to the US.
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Imagine if Barack Obama blamed Republicans for bad policy less than 24 hours after a terrorist attack.
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I do love me some luck based systems when we could do it by merit.
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emblem boy posted...

Isn't this a program that has been around since the 90's.
It's actually how's my family and I came to the US.

This American Life did a wonderful one-hoir podcast on it a year ago called Abdi and the Golden Ticket. Worth listening to.

Super Saiyan 3 Goku posted...

Imagine if Barack Obama blamed Republicans for bad policy less than 24 hours after a terrorist attack.

Obama always did that.
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Tropicalwood posted...

Super Saiyan 3 Goku posted...

Imagine if Barack Obama blamed Republicans for bad policy less than 24 hours after a terrorist attack.

Obama always did that.

Yeah, but like... imagine if he did it for REAL instead of make believe fantasy right wing world.
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shockthemonkey posted...

Oh, so thats where your goalposts went.

Got a problem that your logic is shit and you're nothing but a massive hypocrite that blames the vast majority for the actions of a single person? You know it's always been the actions of one man that pushes those bills.
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shockthemonkey posted...

Its too early for you to be drunk

You said "Youre not dumb enough to believe there has only been one person to ever use guns illegally, are you?"
Fact: there has only ever been one person to use bumpfire stocks illegally, and you want them banned the second someone uses them. Almost as if you're a terrible hypocrite and should close your account already.

Which reminds me, weren't you gloating about a fake news story where Trump gave Merkel a bill for Nato and didn't have the balls to come back after it was denied by both parties.
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Tropicalwood posted...

Fact: there has only ever been one person to use bumpfire stocks illegally

I feel like this can't be true. Just mathematically
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Antifar posted...

Tropicalwood posted...

Fact: there has only ever been one person to use bumpfire stocks illegally

I feel like this can't be true. Just mathematically

Mathematically speaking there are a whole hell of a lot more criminals let in under the Visa lottery.
"b-but this is different"
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Tropicalwood posted...

Antifar posted...

Tropicalwood posted...

Fact: there has only ever been one person to use bumpfire stocks illegally

I feel like this can't be true. Just mathematically

Mathematically speaking there are a whole hell of a lot more criminals let in under the Visa lottery.
"b-but this is different"

Show your work, please.
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Tropicalwood is drunk, leave him be
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Antifar posted...

Tropicalwood posted...

Fact: there has only ever been one person to use bumpfire stocks illegally

I feel like this can't be true. Just mathematically

Yeah, "shooting people" isn't the only illegal use.
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shockthemonkey posted...

No, you brought up the second amendment and not the bumpstock in your initial post. Thats what I was mocking.

I'm talking about gun legislation in general, it's always been knee jerks to the latest crime, the vast majority of gun violence has and shall always be handguns, but you want them to reach not for those, but for rifles that are used less than a goddamn hammer.
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shockthemonkey posted...

But more than once

Not more than once, your legislation includes things that were never used to begin with.

Like expanded background check, the vast majority would pass the background check.
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Admiral identity politics topic #12374749472784
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Hmm, I wonder what was different about this attack that Trump reacted so quickly to condemn it.
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UnholyMudcrab posted...

Hmm, I wonder what was different about this attack that Trump reacted so quickly to condemn it.

I'll help you

It was done by a Mooslim

shockthemonkey posted...

I dont have legislation. What are you even rambling about? Can you keep your goalposts in one place?

You don't need to say anything, you elected a representative that spoke for you on these issues.

Good day, sir.
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Conservatives after a mass shooting: This isn't the time to talk politics! The bodies are still warm etc

Conservatives after a terrorist attack/act of violence committed by an undocumented immigrant: We need changes to the law NOW!
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Tropicalwood posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

I dont have legislation. What are you even rambling about? Can you keep your goalposts in one place?

You don't need to say anything, you elected a representative that spoke for you on these issues.

Good day, sir.

Posts like this aren't the hill you want to die on, all things considered.
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A_Good_Boy posted...

Tropicalwood posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

I dont have legislation. What are you even rambling about? Can you keep your goalposts in one place?

You don't need to say anything, you elected a representative that spoke for you on these issues.

Good day, sir.

Posts like this aren't the hill you want to die on, all things considered.

My representative could beat up your representative! - American voters
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Isn't it odd how there's always tons of death and destruction when it comes to liberal and democratic policy? I can't think of a major attack or scandal that isn't a result of their shit. If you were to scorecard this crap you definitely would notice that it comes from their side more than conservatives and republicans.
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tremain07 posted...

Isn't it odd how there's always tons of death and destruction when it comes to liberal and democratic policy? I can't think of a major attack or scandal that isn't a result of their shit. If you were to scorecard this crap you definitely would notice that it comes from their side more than conservatives and republicans.

September 11th was kind of a big deal, no?
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based trump
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tremain07 posted...

Isn't it odd how there's always tons of death and destruction when it comes to liberal and democratic policy? I can't think of a major attack or scandal that isn't a result of their shit. If you were to scorecard this crap you definitely would notice that it comes from their side more than conservatives and republicans.

Don't you have anything better to do than troll like this? You could be out trying to in prove your life or seek treatment for your depression.

Heineken14 posted...

tremain07 posted...

Isn't it odd how there's always tons of death and destruction when it comes to liberal and democratic policy? I can't think of a major attack or scandal that isn't a result of their shit. If you were to scorecard this crap you definitely would notice that it comes from their side more than conservatives and republicans.

September 11th was kind of a big deal, no?

He was asleep when it happened so that doesn't count.
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