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KCF0107 10/24/17 7:01:56 PM #1: |
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10gIP0JkVqOaoUc4aQX_NyDM8dB31FOPm_dUx6DVTWPk/edit?usp=sharing Word Doc https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RVeEIyjqIiEkS0VYvbsI02dWMDXyOgdVQAgThNJyIfc/edit?usp=sharing Wiki Page http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Board_8_National_Football_League_League Previous Topic (alive as of this moment) https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/75731466 --- KCF can't actually be a real person but he is - greengravy http://i.imgur.com/VfpY7tg.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KCF0107 10/24/17 7:04:53 PM #2: |
Free Agency re-posted rules
See all those players in the free agent sheet? Now is the time to attempt to sign them to your team. I say attempt because you will be, in theory, competing with 31 other teams for the services of every free agent. Unlike the three previous offseason events involving signings, the desired deal that I will eventually list may not be enough to sign a player, and it definitely will not if it is any one of the top players available. If you do intend to seek out a top player, you will probably want to give a custom offer that is in excess of what they want. Whether that means years, total money, signing bonus, or a combination of the three is up to you. I will not list every player on the free agent sheet, but you are free to ask for contract info for any player listed there that I do not post contract info for here. Also know that the players on the free agent sheet are just the Top 8 and bottom player player at each position. There are plenty more players available at every position, but they are all in the 9-to-second-to-last range at their position. If there's a particular kind of player you are looking for at a position, feel free to ask me, and I will let you know if someone fits that description. There will be three periods of free agency. These are the tentative real life days each period will last: 1st - 9 days 2nd - 5 days 3rd - 1 day --- KCF can't actually be a real person but he is - greengravy http://i.imgur.com/VfpY7tg.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KCF0107 10/24/17 7:05:49 PM #3: |
Here are some sample contract offers that I will accept, including more simple approaches:
- 4 / $7.00 mil / $1.40 mil - 5 / $9.00 mil / $2.00 mil - 3 years default, +$1 mil total salary, +$500k signing bonus - 2 years default When you give me an offer, you are giving me your consent to offer the player the closest deal that he will consider, meaning that if you offer 4 / $6.00 mil / $2.00 mil and he will only consider it when it is 4 / $6.50 mil / $2.00 mil, I will offer him the latter. If that does not sit well with you, then you have the simpler options I previously laid out or you may explicitly say to not offer the contract unless he will consider those exact financials. When you PM me the offers, I want you to PM me a header that says "[Your Team]'s Offers" so that I don't accidentally open them. I am the Dolphins' GM, so there could very well be some conflict of interests, and thus the best way around that is for me to not open those PMs until it is time to put in the offers and sim the game. I have default PM settings, so you can all tell if and when I open a PM of yours. If a fellow GM would like to volunteer to receive my PM offers to show that I am being fair and impartial, that would be great. If not, I hope that means you all trust me. Under no circumstances may you ask me if so and so player will consider a certain deal or anything of that nature. You may ask me general questions regarding free agency, but nothing that goes against the spirit of free agency or give you a competitive advantage. If you do have a question, I prefer that you use the topic. If you wish to ask me via PM, make sure to be clear you are asking a question or I may not read it out of caution of it being a list of contract offers. There are two types of contracts that I will never, ever accept 1. Any mention of the word "Maximum" relating to total salary or signing bonus. 2. A massive one year contract The first one has in fact happened in the past, and I had to throw it out as it is both unfair in the laziest of ways and also impossible when it comes to total salary. The second one is also unfair for teams with lots of cap space to also maintain artificial flexibility for future seasons by using up a lot cap space this season and then signing the player to an uncontested market value contract the following offseason, which then allows them to repeat this process as many times as they can/want. Also, due to fairness issues, any cuts you make during free agency must be sent in: 96 hours prior to the end of Period 1 48 hours prior to the end of Period 2 Not allowed in Period 3 --- KCF can't actually be a real person but he is - greengravy http://i.imgur.com/VfpY7tg.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KCF0107 10/24/17 7:09:34 PM #4: |
Three additional things that I feel that I need to point out (old post had two, but I forgot one that I mentioned last season)
1. Some positions are full of divas that once they reach a certain overall rating, they expect to start. If you are targeting a QB, HB, G, or C with a rating 82 or higher and aren't intending to start them, I highly recommend that you offer a two, possibly three, year deal at the max. That way, if they do ask for a trade during that contract, the risk . The downside to this is that you might lose out on the player due to superior deals, but I just wanted to give people word of caution because we've had A LOT of HBs demand trades over the years. 2. Free Agency is not just about users. Remember, we have 11 AI teams as well. The reason why I don't let people ask me questions to give them a competitive advantage is related to the AI teams more than anything. In consecutive offseasons, I have been asked what was the winning contract for X player in a previous offseason. I will not give out that info. The best you can do is study the team financial sheet and scan the contracts of user players to the best of your ability and if you keep a record of your own free agency offers through the years, you can use that as a baseline for players. You can also ask the contracts that your own players signed if that will help. 3. Free Agents covet money and need on a team the most. If you do not have a clear starting position available, you are far less likely to sign someone to a deal than a team that does clearly need them. There are exceptions (Abdul Hodge), but they are uncommon or even rare. --- KCF can't actually be a real person but he is - greengravy http://i.imgur.com/VfpY7tg.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KCF0107 10/24/17 7:10:34 PM #5: |
The deadline to submit free agent offers for Round 1 will be Wednesday, October 25th at 5 PM ET.
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theawesomestevr 10/24/17 7:24:51 PM #6: |
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MysteriousStan 10/24/17 8:09:47 PM #7: |
I'm putting OG Claude Terrell (88 OVR, 31 years old) on the trade block.
As far as positions go I'm looking at WR, SS, or possibly OLB. I'm also willing to deal for picks. I'm also going to be exploring possible AI trades so let me know if you're interested if you want to save some work for KCF. --- Posted using GameFlux ... Copied to Clipboard!
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mccheyne 10/24/17 8:12:47 PM #8: |
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TheKnightOfNee 10/24/17 8:26:37 PM #9: |
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MysteriousStan 10/24/17 9:50:32 PM #10: |
Oh you can probably add DT to my list as well. I mean, those aren't the only positions I'll accept. If you think I could use someone else at another positions feel free to offer it up and I'll check it out.
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profDEADPOOL 10/24/17 10:28:39 PM #11: |
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KCF0107 10/25/17 5:02:49 PM #12: |
Deadline for R1 of free agency has passed
I will open them up shortly and come tomorrow, signings will be posted as will info for R2 and an updated spreadsheet --- KCF can't actually be a real person but he is - greengravy http://i.imgur.com/VfpY7tg.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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theawesomestevr 10/25/17 6:31:24 PM #13: |
The Bills are anxiously awaiting the results. Will either be very pleased tomorrow or very diasppointed.
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MysteriousStan 10/25/17 8:58:47 PM #14: |
Lack of cap space and going after a position that is not a need means I probably didn't get the guy that I was targeting. But we'll see I guess.
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KCF0107 10/26/17 1:24:23 PM #15: |
Results from R1 of Free Agency
Bears sign WR J.J. Bedle to a 3 year deal Bears sign TE James Dray to a 3 year deal Bears sign FS Pat Pollard to a 3 year deal Bengals sign DT Monsanto Pope to a 2 year deal Bills sign DT Kris Jenkins to a 7 year deal Bills sign HB Mewelde Moore to a 1 year deal Bills sign C Russell Jacobs to a 1 year deal Broncos sign G Jeno James to a 3 year deal Bucs sign DE Richard Seymour to a 3 year deal Bucs sign TE Joe Newton to a 3 year deal Bucs sign WR Brandon Lloyd to a 3 year deal Bucs sign K Jay Feely to a 3 year deal Bucs sign P Aaron Perez to a 2 year deal Chiefs sign DE Ryan Riddle to a 4 year deal Chiefs sign G Chris Kemoeatu to a 3 year deal Colts sign OT Matt Light to a 3 year deal Colts sign C Wes Williams to a 3 year deal Colts sign TE George Wrighster to a 2 year deal Colts sign DE Shaun Ellis to a 3 year deal Dolphins sign QB Ken Dorsey to a 3 year deal 49ers sign QB Drew Weatherford to a 5 year deal Giants sign C Josh McNeil to a 4 year deal Giants sign CB Ricky Manning to a 3 year deal Giants sign CB Reuben Houston to a 5 year deal Hawks sign K Shayne Graham to a 4 year deal Hawks sign DT Monte Reagor to a 3 year deal Hawks sign DE Patrick Kerney to a 2 year deal Hawks sign DE K. Gbaja-Biamila to a 2 year deal Hawks sign TE Jeff King to a 4 year deal Hawks sign CB Justin Miller to a 3 year deal Jets sign WR Antonio Bryant to a 3 year deal Lions sign QB Derek Anderson to a 3 year deal Packers sign OLB Spencer Havner to a 4 year deal Patriots sign QB Jamarcus Russell to a 4 year deal Patriots sign HB Ray Rice to a 4 year deal Pioneers sign MLB Clifton Thompson to a 5 year deal Pioneers sign MLB Tony Gilbert to a 2 year deal Pumpkins sign SS Glenn Earl to a 3 year deal Pumpkins sign DE Alex Brown to a 3 year deal Pumpkins sign DE Aaron Schobel to a 3 year deal Pumpkins sign QB Ryan Fitzpatrick to a 3 year deal Rams sign FS Will Allen to a 3 year deal Rams sign G Cooper Carlisle to a 3 year deal Ravens sign CB Victor Harris to a 5 year deal Ravens sign DE Nigel Douglas to a 3 year deal Ravens sign OLB P.J. Hines to a 4 year deal Ravens sign G Willie Colon to a 3 year deal Seahawks sign HB T.J. Duckett to a 3 year deal Seahawks sign QB Charlie Frye to a 3 year deal Steelers sign SS Chris Keys to a 1 year deal Titans sign FB Victor Mann to a 2 year deal Vikings sign MLB Ben Leber to a 3 year deal Vikings sign G Phil Bogle to a 2 year deal Vikings sign G Adrien Clarke to a 2 year deal Vikings sign QB J.P. Losman to a 3 year deal --- KCF can't actually be a real person but he is - greengravy http://i.imgur.com/VfpY7tg.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KCF0107 10/26/17 1:26:20 PM #16: |
Everybody who was offered a contract in R1 (user and AI) signed with a team (a B8NFLL first). Now the following posts will be the contract details for the current list of players are the Team Financial sheet. As always, these do not include all the free agents, so if you are looking for a particularly kind of player who isn't mentioned on it, let me know.
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KCF0107 10/26/17 1:26:37 PM #17: |
QB
Jordan Steffy 4 / $15.64 mil / $3.16 mil Jay Cutler 4 / $14.28 mil / $2.76 mil Bobby Reid 4 / $14.28 mil / $2.76 mil Josh Freeman 5 / $14.45 mil / $2.40 mil Matt Flynn 5 / $14.45 mil / $2.40 mil Brian Brohm 5 / $14.45 mil / $2.40 mil Anthony Morelli 5 / $13.30 mil / $2.20 mil Gavin Dickey 5 / $12.15 mil / $2.00 mil David Greene 3 / $5.22 mil / $840k HB Courtney Lewis 4 / $19.36 mil / $3.84 mil Marlon Lucky 4 / $16.20 mil / $3.16 mil Terry Longbons 4 / $16.20 mil / $3.16 mil Selvin Young 4 / $16.20 mil / $3.16 mil Joseph Addai 4 / $14.56 mil / $2.80 mil Brandon Jackson 4 / $14.56 mil / $2.80 mil Samkon Gado 3 / $9.75 mil / $1.86 mil Albert Young 4 / $13.00 mil / $2.48 mil Javon Riggs 4 / $3.84 mil / $560k FB Tim Castille 2 / $7.10 mil / $1.82 mil James Coleman 2 / $6.36 mil / $1.48 mil Mike Smith 2 / $5.82 mil / $1.32 mil Troy Fleming 3 / $8.07 mil / $1.83 mil Cory Anderson 3 / $5.43 mil / $1.14 mil Madison Hedgecock 3 / $5.43 mil / $1.14 mil Roger Allison 3 / $4.74 mil / $960k Deon Anderson 3 / $4.08 mil / $780k Brett McIntyre 2 / $1.60 mil / $220k WR Bryant Johnson 3 / $12.72 mil / $2.13 mil Jason Hill 4 / $15.56 mil / $2.60 mil Todd Blythe 4 / $15.56 mil / $2.60 mil Tyrone Calico 3 / $9.54 mil / $1.59 mil Reche Caldwell 3 / $9.54 mil / $1.59 mil Samie Parker 3 / $8.94 mil / $1.47 mil Chris Henry 5 / $14.90 mil / $2.45 mil Jovon Bouknight 5 / $14.90 mil / $2.45 mil Andy Dickerson 3 / $3.30 mil / $390k TE Octavius Darby 4 / $7.48 mil / $1.12 mil Garrett Mills 4 / $7.48 mil / $1.12 mil Andrew Clarke 4 / $6.56 mil / $960k David Thomas 4 / $6.56 mil / $960k Larry Donnell 2 / $3.28 mil / $480k Joe Klopfenstein 4 / $6.08 mil / $880k Jonathan Hannah 4 / $6.08 mil / $880k Brandon Pettigrew 2 / $3.04 mil / $440k David Ryan 3 / $2.04 mil / $210k --- KCF can't actually be a real person but he is - greengravy http://i.imgur.com/VfpY7tg.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KCF0107 10/26/17 1:27:29 PM #18: |
OT
Lewis Kelly 3 / $11.43 mil / $2.73 mil Tom Ashworth 3 / $10.14 mil / $2.31 mil Anthony Collins 3 / $10.14 mil / $2.31 mil Matt Hardrick 4 / $11.80 mil / $2.52 mil Michael Roos 3 / $6.27 mil / $1.05 mil Andrew Cameron 5 / $10.10 mil / $1.65 mil Geoff Schwartz 5 / $10.10 mil / $1.65 mil Jordan Black 3 / $6.06 mil / $990k Chester Pitts 2 / $3.34 mil / $500k G Steve Sciullo 3 / $11.67 mil / $2.34 mil Cedrick Dockery 3 / $11.67 mil / $2.34 mil Damien Woody 3 / $10.41 mil / $2.07 mil Toniu Fonoti 3 / $9.21 mil / $1.83 mil Adam Stenavich 3 / $9.21 mil / $1.83 mil John Simonitis 3 / $7.98 mil / $1.56 mil Ian Allen 3 / $7.98 mil / $1.56 mil Rich Seubert 3 / $6.75 mil / $1.32 mil Michael Parenton 4 / $2.88 mil / $240k C Al Johnson 3 / $6.09 mil / $1.17 mil Andre Gurode 3 / $5.67 mil / $1.05 mil Scott Mruczkowski 3 / $5.31 mil / $960k Na'Shan Goddard 3 / $5.31 mil / $960k Tim Schafer 3 / $4.62 mil / $810k Richie Gandy 3 / $4.29 mil / $750k Bruce Nelson 3 / $4.29 mil / $750k Mike Pucillo 3 / $3.36 mil / $660k Clint Mayhew 3 / $2.10 mil / $240k DE Ryan Nece 3 / $10.32 mil / $1.98 mil Ben Taylor 3 / $9.24 mil / $1.68 mil Erasmus James 3 / $7.05 mil / $1.05 mil Michael Boley 3 / $7.05 mil / $1.05 mil Matthew Rice 5 / $9.50 mil / $1.15 mil Tamba Hali 5 / $9.15 mil / $1.10 mil Jorrie Adams 5 / $9.15 mil / $1.10 mil Rhyan Anderson 5 / $8.80 mil / $1.10 mil Darrick London 4 / $3.88 mil / $440k DT Gabe Long 5 / $14.20 mil / $2.80 mil Corey Clark 5 / $14.20 mil / $2.80 mil Quinn Pitcock 5 / $14.20 mil / $2.80 mil Brandon Maupin 5 / $14.20 mil / $2.80 mil Fili Moala 5 / $13.25 mil / $2.55 mil Carlton Powell 5 / $13.25 mil / $2.55 mil Teraz McCray 5 / $13.25 mil / $2.55 mil Keenan Carter 5 / $13.25 mil / $2.55 mil Andrew Smith 4 / $4.76 mil / $600k --- KCF can't actually be a real person but he is - greengravy http://i.imgur.com/VfpY7tg.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KCF0107 10/26/17 1:27:59 PM #19: |
OLB
Dwayne Holmes 4 / $6.40 mil / $1.04 mil Anthony Felder 4 / $6.40 mil / $1.04 mil Joshua Massey 4 / $5.60 mil / $880k Ernie Sims 4 / $5.28 mil / $800k John Kerr 4 / $5.28 mil / $800k Shawn Crable 4 / $5.28 mil / $800k Daniel Brooks 4 / $5.28 mil / $800k Justin Cook 4 / $5.04 mil / $760k Aaron Griffin 3 / $2.58 mil / $270k MLB Korey Hall 3 / $10.92 mil / $1.74 mil Curtis Lofton 3 / $8.67 mil / $990k Lance Mitchell 3 / $5.88 mil / $600k Justin Warren 3 / $5.52 mil / $570k Tim McGarigle 3 / $5.52 mil / $570k Pat Lowery 3 / $5.52 mil / $570k Jordan Dizon 3 / $5.19 mil / $570k Derek Mendoza 3 / $4.86 mil / $570k James Martin 3 / $2.73 mil / $270k CB Ellis Hobbs 3 / $7.77 mil / $810k Danny Gorrer 5 / $11.20 mil / $1.20 mil Tony Franklin 5 / $11.20 mil / $1.20 mil Stanford Routt 3 / $6.72 mil / $720k Roshaun Fellows 5 / $11.20 mil / $1.20 mil Harold Dalton 5 / $11.20 mil / $1.20 mil Cary Harris 5 / $11.20 mil / $1.20 mil Kelvin Hayden 3 / $6.21 mil / $690k Steve Washington 4 / $4.04 mil / $480k FS Nate Lyles 4 / $8.12 mil / $1.36 mil Terrance Washington 4 / $7.60 mil / $1.28 mil Jahmile Addae 4 / $7.60 mil / $1.28 mil Trevis Coley 3 / $5.70 mil / $960k Jason Simpson 4 / $7.04 mil / $1.16 mil Vincent Meeks 4 / $7.04 mil / $1.16 mil John Gattis 4 / $7.04 mil / $1.16 mil Mike Rumph 3 / $4.89 mil / $810k Corey Walton 2 / $2.20 mil / $340k SS Lamon Means 3 / $6.36 mil / $780k Daniel Bullocks 3 / $6.36 mil / $780k Ben Emanuel 3 / $4.62 mil / $660k Dominique Brooks 3 / $4.62 mil / $660k Paul Thomas 3 / $4.62 mil / $660k Byron Cook 2 / $2.90 mil / $400k Joshua Gore 3 / $4.35 mil / $600k Greg Dockery 2 / $2.90 mil / $400k Eric Thompson 3 / $2.55 mil / $330k K Kris Brown 3 / $3.87 mil / $510k Billy Cundiff 3 / $3.72 mil / $510k Jason Robbins 2 / $2.48 mil / $340k Connor Hughes 3 / $2.67 mil / $330k Kevin Kelly 3 / $2.31 mil / $330k Justin Medlock 3 / $2.31 mil / $330k Greg Zuerlein 2 / $1.58 mil / $220k Blair Walsh 3 / $2.07 mil / $270k Skyler Shelton 1 / $450k / $30k P Jacob Richardson 3 / $2.43 mil / $450k Chris Kluwe 3 / $2.79 mil / $450k Josh Bidwell 3 / $3.15 mil / $450k Tim Reyer 3 / $2.37 mil / $390k Eric Wilbur 3 / $2.37 mil / $390k Jason Baker 3 / $3.06 mil / $360k Matt Bosher 2 / $1.40 mil / $200k Jordan Bell 3 / $1.98 mil / $270k Chris Bolden 1 / $360k / $0k --- KCF can't actually be a real person but he is - greengravy http://i.imgur.com/VfpY7tg.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KCF0107 10/26/17 1:28:44 PM #20: |
Deadline to submit offers for Round 2 of Free Agency will be 3 PM ET on Tuesday, October 31st
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mccheyne 10/26/17 3:04:49 PM #21: |
Got 3 out of 5, that's actually pretty solid. Damn you @Eddv , you got one I wanted though!
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theawesomestevr 10/26/17 3:09:21 PM #22: |
The Bills are extremely pleased to have signed DT Kris Jenkins! Welcome to the team!
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Emeraldegg 10/26/17 3:11:00 PM #23: |
Stevr that's actually pretty clever what you did with Jenkins, I'll have to remember that.
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Eddv 10/26/17 3:18:23 PM #24: |
mccheyne posted...
Got 3 out of 5, that's actually pretty solid. Damn you @Eddv , you got one I wanted though! If you want Reuben Houston that badly we can come to terms. --- Board 8's Voice of Reason http://i.imgur.com/chXIw06.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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mccheyne 10/26/17 3:21:28 PM #25: |
Nah wasn't him. I'm not actually mad that you got someone I was after, just taking a poke at you for fun!
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Eddv 10/26/17 5:02:32 PM #26: |
I was joking because Houston was taken just as roster filler.
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mccheyne 10/26/17 5:25:11 PM #27: |
<3
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Ranlom 10/26/17 8:40:32 PM #28: |
Emeraldegg posted...
Stevr that's actually pretty clever what you did with Jenkins, I'll have to remember that. I'd considered doing something like that, but thought it would be frowned upon. --- Forward, Relentlessly ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KCF0107 10/26/17 9:28:44 PM #29: |
Stevr ended up having to pay a lot more than what he sent me, so it all balances out. It is frowned upon though.
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Eddv 10/26/17 9:31:26 PM #30: |
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KCF0107 10/26/17 9:32:24 PM #31: |
Jenkins will not see the end of that contract. My guess is that he will play 5 seasons, maybe 6.
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mccheyne 10/26/17 9:32:49 PM #32: |
Eddv posted...
I dont understand...what happened? Yeah I was just about to ask this. Did I miss something? --- Not changing this sig until the Winnipeg Blue Bombers win the grey cup. Started Aug. 16/04 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Emeraldegg 10/26/17 9:53:12 PM #33: |
So the more years you offer a guy, the fewer you have to pay them the early years and the more you have to pay them later years. IE It spreads the contract over more years. But Kris Jenkins will be in the league maybe 2 years more, max. So what ends up happening was stevr offered him what will essentially be a backloaded contract that he won't be responsible for because Jenkins will end up retiring before he is owed that money.
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Emeraldegg 10/26/17 9:55:49 PM #34: |
KCF0107 posted...
Jenkins will not see the end of that contract. My guess is that he will play 5 seasons, maybe 6. IMO my estimate of 2 was probably low but he's 34, do DTs play past 37? 5 would mean he'd be 39. --- I'm a greener egg than the eggs from dr. seuss ... Copied to Clipboard!
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theawesomestevr 10/26/17 10:51:43 PM #35: |
Typed something out and just lost it... Gahhh.
Anyway, I don't know this for sure, but I assume better rated players are perhaps more likely to play longer. Also, based on a somewhat related question I asked KCF previously, I might extrapolate from that conversation that d-linemen may be more likely to play longer before retiring. I don't actually know any of that for sure. I definitely expected Kris Jenkins to play more than 2 years though even if I don't expect he'll play at age 40+. I was anxious yesterday because I had no idea if Jenkins would even agree to a 7-year deal. The Bills really needed a DT, the Bills have a lot of cap space, and Jenkins has a 98 OVR, so even if it drops a bit later, it made sense for us to give him as much money as possible to lock him up for the remainder of his career. If you thought I'd only have to pay him a small fraction of his 7-year deal, I guess I could see why that would be frowned upon, but I certainly wasn't signing him under that assumption. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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mccheyne 10/27/17 4:26:59 PM #36: |
Up
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ShatteredElysium 10/27/17 6:25:15 PM #37: |
1 out of 3. One of them even took less money (but longer deal) and other was AI so god knows what they offered. Bleh, well they were going to be back-ups/future starters after retirements so not a huge deal, might be why they opted against signing for me.
The 7 year deal thing is kinda borderline really. Offering an old guy 7 years should be viewed in the same light as offering someone a monster 1 year deal (something we are not allowed to do) imo. That being said, that contract is astronomical and he's going to be paying 10-11m a year for a 37-38 year old who may have dropped to low 90s or worse at that point when other teams are paying like 5m for guys in the lower 90s. So he's going to pay for it eventually which is why I'm ok with it. Would be hard to implement a rule for it as you'd have to do ages based on positions since they retire at different times. Like maybe you can't sign anyone to a contract that puts them beyond 38 on expiry? And lower for skill positions that retire sooner? 35 or so? Once they hit that age you can only offer 1-2 year deals or something? But that's hypocritical of me anyway when I have 36-37 year olds on my roster with 4 year deals (granted I wasn't competing against anyone for their contracts) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Emeraldegg 10/27/17 7:02:12 PM #38: |
I would assume such things can only be left up to KCF's discretion as he has no way of knowing exactly when players will retire, he can only give us ranges. Also I think players can still ask for contracts longer than we would expect them to play anyway, so that would be rather unfair if a 36 y/o asked for 3 years and we weren't allowed to give it to them.
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MysteriousStan 10/27/17 7:06:59 PM #39: |
I've considered doing this for the right player so whatevs.
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ShatteredElysium 10/27/17 7:14:51 PM #40: |
Just to be clear I don't actually care that much, only gave my 2 cents as someone else brought it up
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theawesomestevr 10/27/17 7:19:01 PM #41: |
I mean if people really hate the idea of it (I personally don't care either way because in my eyes anyone is free to offer a 7-year deal right now, so it's not like anyone has an unfair advantage), then I'm fine with there being a set-in-stone rule for certain ages or something.
The only potential issue I'd see with only allowing age 35+ skill position guys 2 years maximum or whatever is if the AI will offer them longer deals. It's not the same thing since Drew Brees was 33 last year, but I know I lost him to the AI Jets because he agreed to a 4-year deal there when I only offered him 2 years (he was asking for 2 years just ftr). That would be an issue if the same thing happened at age 35+ for skill position players. It's hard for me to give a better suggestion though since I don't know how the AI works in any given scenario. I will, however, heavily disagree with Shattered's contention that offering a 34-year old a 7-year deal is like offering a monster 1-year deal. There's a pretty big difference here. The Bills still have $20+ million in cap space for the current season. The contract is back-loaded. It would be pretty beneficial for the Bills to structure the contract so a large amount of it came this year (which obviously isn't possible in the game), instead of having to pay big money 4-5 years down the line. Whereas a big one year-deal would make it so the Bills would be able to procure anyone they wanted's services and then re-sign them to a reasonable deal the following off-season after they'd stolen them from everyone else in free agency. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Emeraldegg 10/27/17 7:23:29 PM #42: |
I'm sure the reasons you laid out are why kcf is allowing it anyway, I'm fine with it.
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ShatteredElysium 10/27/17 7:38:37 PM #43: |
I mean it's not the same scenario but the reason I like it to a monster 1 year deal is because for 2 reasons really.
1. You theoretically save a lot of money because the deal is backloaded. You offered something like 7 years / 77m but what you're actually paying is probably 4 years / 38m or 5 years / 50m. Whereas if you just offered 4 years or 5 years, you likely have to pay more. 2. A lot of the money is 'fake' money in that it's never getting paid. You're essentially offering 25-37m in imaginary money. Which is a huge bonus over someone offering a normal length contract. I'm going to assume that if someone offered 4 years / 38m and someone offered 7 years / 77m, he's picking the second contract despite them both theoretically paying the same assuming a retirement at 38 So yeah it's not the same thing as a monster 1 year deal but I view it in similarly because of the advantages it gives you Like I said, I actually have no problem with it because you are going to be overpaying for a player who is presumably going to decline and you have no way out of the deal given his annual bonus so it's a fair deal really. And I also don't actually care about a rule being implemented, I just like commenting on things really. I wouldn't have said anything if nobody else mentioned it. I also did the exact same thing to my own players when resigning them so can hardly complain. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WalkingWiki 10/28/17 12:39:33 AM #44: |
Well, aside from all this, have fun with Jenkins lol, he was a good Raven while it lasted
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KCF0107 10/28/17 5:14:26 PM #45: |
Bears have cut WR Whitney Lewis and FS Chris Hope. They do not qualify for making the spreadsheet, but I am going to leave their overall rating and age in the spreadsheet. If you are interested in signing them, let me know and I will give you their contract info.
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TheKnightOfNee 10/29/17 12:47:15 PM #46: |
bumpo for more free agency
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KCF0107 10/29/17 10:36:31 PM #47: |
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When you PM me the offers, I want you to PM me a header that says "[Your Team]'s Offers" so that I don't accidentally open them. Guys, please, please do and remember this. For the second time this free agency, a PM with a heading that had no indication of containing free agent offers did in fact contain some --- KCF can't actually be a real person but he is - greengravy http://i.imgur.com/VfpY7tg.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Emeraldegg 10/29/17 10:37:02 PM #48: |
Guys
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MysteriousStan 10/30/17 6:09:26 PM #49: |
I'm assuming everyone's waiting to see the results of FA before making offers for an 88 OG cause no one has any cap space. Yup. =D
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theawesomestevr 10/30/17 8:47:16 PM #50: |
If anyone wants to trade the Bills the equivalent of a Jimmy Garoppolo for a 2nd round pick, the Bills are all ears.
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