Poll of the Day > These 5 KIDS face LIFE in Prison for throwing 20 ROCKS that KILLED a Man!!!

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These are the faces of the Five jerks who are charged with second degree murder in the death of a 32 y/o father in Michigan who was killed by a huge rock that was thrown from an overpass and smashed through the windshield of a van he was in!!

The teens are 15-17 years old and are charged as ADULTS. Prosecutor David Leyton said he will seek a second degree murder charge against them for the death of 32 y/o father, Kenneth White.

17 yo Kyle Anger and 15 year olds, Alexander Miller, Trevor Gray, Mikaydyn Payne and Mark Sekelsky were the kids responsible.

All 5 could face LIFE in prison for 2nd degree murder and are also charged with conspiracy to commit 2nd degree murder and malicious destruction of property

David said "i don't think this was a deliberate attempt to take somebody's life. It was a wilful and wanton act that resulted in somebody's death"

Kenneth was kileld when a 6lb rock smashed through his windshield after these teens through 20 rocks down from an overpass and one of them hit Kenneth's head where was knocked unconscious and later died in hospital.

Photos show the large rock and the damage done to the vehicle as several vehicles were in the path of these giant rocks falling from an overpass.

His, Amy Cagle was devastated who can't understand how anyone can danger people's lives and now her 4 children are left without a father and the love of her life was taken from her..

Do these 5 Hooligans deserve life in prison?.

Kyle - Freak

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/10/23/23/459D1F0300000578-5009979-image-a-3_1508796365769.jpg

Trevor - Freak

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/10/23/23/459D1F0F00000578-5009979-image-a-10_1508796432951.jpg

Mikadyn - Freak

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/10/23/23/459D1F0B00000578-5009979-image-m-9_1508796420665.jpg

Alexander - Freak

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/10/23/23/459D1EFF00000578-5009979-image-a-17_1508796494403.jpg

Mark - Freak

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/10/23/23/459D1F0700000578-5009979-image-m-16_1508796484577.jpg

Kenneth - Deceased

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/10/20/19/45864C7200000578-0-image-a-60_1508523516865.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/10/20/19/45864C7600000578-0-A_GoFundMe_account_was_set_up_for_White_s_family_to_help_with_hi-a-72_1508525320650.jpg

Amy - Fiancee

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/10/21/06/4588DDCF00000578-5002972-image-a-6_1508563553752.jpg

Van -

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/10/20/19/45864F1A00000578-0-image-m-63_1508523526432.jpg

The giant rocks used -

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/10/21/07/4586583700000578-5002972-Schultz_said_that_the_rock_pictured_ripped_off_his_oil_pan_He_de-a-6_1508567749783.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/10/20/22/4586FE3100000578-5002022-image-a-36_1508534997983.jpg
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They won't get a murder charge, no matter how you swing it - but they might get a maximum manslaughter charge
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Full Throttle posted...

Do you think these hooligans deserve life in prison?

Absolutely. Doesn't matter if they intended to kill or not. They were throwing stones from a overpass so someone was bound to be hurt and they are old enough to know better. I only wish more teens were charged as adults then perhaps they wouldn't think their untouchable.
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They deserve death, but considering they're minors (charged as adults, but it'll still influence a jury, unfortunately), I guess I'll settle for life.

Life? No, but definitely prison. I'm sure that a decade in prison could straighten them out and then they'd still have 3 or 4 decades to be productive, tax-paying citizens.
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streamofthesky posted...

They deserve death

I like this option too.
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Can we just have a public vote? I vote death by stoning, next week.

Yeah lock em up and let the kids of the deceased father throw rocks at them whenever they want
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PKMNsony posted...

Can we just have a public vote? I vote death by stoning, next week.

But seriously, we live in a civilized society. We don't do that shit.
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Zeus posted...

Life? No, but definitely prison. I'm sure that a decade in prison could straighten them out and then they'd still have 3 or 4 decades to be productive, tax-paying citizens.

yeah i'd have to agree with that as i've known grown ass adults who killed someone and didn't serve life got out and went on to be half way decent productive citizens. one guy the murder was unintentional but he was shitfaced drunk so not much excuse there, and the other admits he hunted the guy through 5 states to find and kill him. never would tell me what his motivation was though so i'm guessing it was pretty personal.
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should be death penalty
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I really don't understand this "save everyone" mentality. While it's possible some folk go on to be better people some will commit the same crime again. I personally believe some folk don't deserve a second chance.
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wwinterj25 posted...

I really don't understand this "save everyone" mentality. While it's possible some folk go on to be better people some will commit the same crime again. I personally believe some folk don't deserve a second chance.

I don't have a save everyone mentality. these kids killed someone yeah so they deserve punishment, but it wasn't their intention so I don't think they should lose their life over it. conversely though I feel even a petty thief who keeps finding his way behind bars should be put down after so many times.
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They totally should lose their life over it.
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Full Throttle posted...

The teens are 15-17 years old and are charged as ADULTS.

That's pretty stupid.

wwinterj25 posted...

I really don't understand this "save everyone" mentality. While it's possible some folk go on to be better people some will commit the same crime again. I personally believe some folk don't deserve a second chance.

Well they're children. They most likely would never do anything like this ever again.

And murder? Really?? This is clear-cut manslaughter. Do we even care about facts and laws anymore or is our system just total nonsense and emotions?

mooreandrew58 posted...

but it wasn't their intention so I don't think they should lose their life over it.

What was their intention exactly when throwing a large rock off a overpass?
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wwinterj25 posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

but it wasn't their intention so I don't think they should lose their life over it.

What was their intention exactly when throwing a large rock off a overpass?

not to kill someone. i'm betting just to be dicks and damage someones car for the fun of it.
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Death for all 5

mooreandrew58 posted...

not to kill someone. i'm betting just to be dicks and damage someones car for the fun of it.

I see. So they wanted to smash up a car and got a shock when someone was actually in said car and they killed him? Well I hope the fun they had was worth it because now they have left kids without a dad and a Fiancee without a hubby to be. Just because they wanted a bit of fun doing something so harmless like smashing up a car.
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wwinterj25 posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

not to kill someone. i'm betting just to be dicks and damage someones car for the fun of it.

I see. So they wanted to smash up a car and got a shock when someone was actually in said car and they killed him? Well I hope the fun they had was worth it because now they have left kids without a dad and a Fiancee without a hubby to be. Just because they wanted a bit of fun doing something so harmless like smashing up a car.

not saying they don't deserve some severe punishment, but they are at a age where they can learn from their mistake and perhaps not ever do anything like it again. to be quite honest though I don't even really care if they get life/death penalty I won't lose any sleep over it. just saying they could still prove to be productive law abiding citizens after serving some time.
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They should not be charged as adults and absolutely no way should they get life in prison.

They should know better than to throw things over an overpass. I'm sure, individually, they do know that. But you get a group of adolescents together and peer groups influence behavior. Dumb shit like throwing rocks over the overpass happens.

This is manslaughter. that is why manslaughter exists. Specifically this is involuntary manslaughter

Murder requires murderous intent. Even drunk driving--something everyone knows is a lot more rangerous than dropping rocks--only gets you involuntary manslaughter when you kill someone.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_(United_States_law)#Degrees
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mooreandrew58 posted...

not saying they don't deserve some severe punishment, but they are at a age where they can learn from their mistake and perhaps not ever do anything like it again.

Well... actually death is too easy for these people. I'd much rather a lifetime of 'rough justice' be applied here so they can suffer like this poor man's family no doubt is. That would also be a great lesson to them.
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Doctor Foxx posted...

Even drunk driving--something everyone knows is a lot more rangerous than dropping rocks

It really isn't, it's just done vastly more often, specifically because it isn't directly trying to harm others.
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Doctor Foxx posted...

They should not be charged as adults and absolutely no way should they get life in prison.

They should know better than to throw things over an overpass. I'm sure, individually, they do know that. But you get a group of adolescents together and peer groups influence behavior. Dumb shit like throwing rocks over the overpass happens.

This is manslaughter. that is why manslaughter exists. Specifically this is involuntary manslaughter

Murder requires murderous intent. Even drunk driving--something everyone knows is a lot more rangerous than dropping rocks--only gets you involuntary manslaughter when you kill someone.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_(United_States_law)#Degrees

"I'm gonna fire off my gun in the middle of the city to celebrate my sports team winning!"
"What? A stray bullet hit and killed some guy? I TOTALLY didn't intend to kill anybody! i was just having fun...."

Yeah, no. Any teen with a functioning brain knows that throwing rocks down from a height at people is dangerous (and for that matter realize that the "cars" they're throwing the rocks at have people in them). It doesn't fucking matter if they intended to kill people or just grievously injury them, they were throwing weapons quite capable of being lethal intentionally at people. Fucking convict them on murder, cause that's what this is.

streamofthesky posted...

"I'm gonna fire off my gun in the middle of the city to celebrate my sports team winning!"
"What? A stray bullet hit and killed some guy? I TOTALLY didn't intend to kill anybody! i was just having fun...."

if you shoot it in the air and the bullet lands and kills someone you would be charged with involuntary manslaughter at worst.

It's not saying the act was smart. or safe. just that it was not an act done to intentionally murder, and not legally the same as murder.
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Doctor Foxx posted...

streamofthesky posted...

"I'm gonna fire off my gun in the middle of the city to celebrate my sports team winning!"
"What? A stray bullet hit and killed some guy? I TOTALLY didn't intend to kill anybody! i was just having fun...."

if you shoot it in the air and the bullet lands and kills someone you would be charged with involuntary manslaughter at worst.

It's not saying the act was smart. or safe. just that it was not an act done to intentionally murder, and not legally the same as murder.

manslaughter and unlawful discharge of a firearm depending on local laws.
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wwinterj25 posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

not saying they don't deserve some severe punishment, but they are at a age where they can learn from their mistake and perhaps not ever do anything like it again.

Well... actually death is too easy for these people. I'd much rather a lifetime of 'rough justice' be applied here so they can suffer like this poor man's family no doubt is. That would also be a great lesson to them.

and whats the point of a "lesson" if they never get a chance to prove the lesson sunk in and go back to being productive members of society?
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mooreandrew58 posted...

manslaughter and unlawful discharge of a firearm depending on local laws.

manslaughter being the worse of the charges, but yes. not murder.
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Doctor Foxx posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

manslaughter and unlawful discharge of a firearm depending on local laws.

manslaughter being the worse of the charges, but yes. not murder.

well getting slapped with 2 charges, is worse than just the one, it will extend the sentence is my point.
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Re: Involuntary Manslaughter

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_(United_States_law)#Degrees

All three crimes (first, second, and third degree murder) above feature an intent to kill, whereas involuntary manslaughter is "unintentional", because the killer did not intend for a death to result from their intentional actions. If there is a presence of intention it relates only to the intent to cause a violent act which brings about the death, but not an intention to bring about the death itself.

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mooreandrew58 posted...

and whats the point of a "lesson" if they never get a chance to prove the lesson sunk in and go back to being productive members of society?

To make the family of this man get some sort of justice. None of that hypothetical punishment would be for these scum bags benefit. As I've already said some folk don't deserve a second chance.
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They were intentionally throwing large rocks at peoples' heads. Sounds like intent to kill to me.

streamofthesky posted...

They were intentionally throwing large rocks at peoples' heads. Sounds like intent to kill to me.

No, no! Didn't you know throwing large rocks is perfectly safe?!
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They're children not realizing the consequences of their actions and giving into peer pressure. Life in prison though, ugh.

children-> tried as adults
manslaughter -> nope murder lol

I hope they have a half decent lawyer for those outrageous charges.

Yellow posted...

They're children

15-17 isn't children.
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wwinterj25 posted...

streamofthesky posted...

They were intentionally throwing large rocks at peoples' heads. Sounds like intent to kill to me.

No, no! Didn't you know throwing large rocks is perfectly safe?!

Yeah, I mean...I'm lobbin' the rocks hard enough to break through windshields, but like...is that really saying much? Everyone knows windshields shatter from so much as a fly smacking into them...

Doctor Foxx posted...

This is manslaughter. that is why manslaughter exists. Specifically this is involuntary manslaughter

Murder requires murderous intent. Even drunk driving--something everyone knows is a lot more rangerous than dropping rocks--only gets you involuntary manslaughter when you kill someone.

Wikipedia

Because murder is generally defined in law as an intent to cause serious harm or injury (alone or with others), combined with a death arising from that intention, there are certain circumstances where a death will be treated as murder even if the defendant did not wish to kill the actual victim.

They were dropping massive rocks on speeding vehicles, they may not have meant to kill, but they intended to hurt people.

They acted maliciously and killed a guy, it was murder.
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wwinterj25 posted...

15-17 isn't children.

Yes they are.

https://www.childstats.gov/americaschildren/tables/pop1.asp

Yellow posted...

Yes they are.

They are teens. Teens are not children and they know perfectly well what could happen when throwing rocks. If they don't as you claim then really they needed to be locked up in a padded cell. You might have a point if these "children" were between the age of 5 and 7.
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wwinterj25 posted...

They are teens. Teens are not children and they know perfectly well what could happen when throwing rocks. If they don't as you claim then really they needed to be locked up in a padded cell. You might have a point is these "children" were between the age of 5 and 7.

You haven't seen teenagers do stupid shit like I've seen. I'd go as far as to call 30% of them actually deficient in my white trash neighborhood.

Yellow posted...

You haven't seen teenagers do stupid shit like I've seen.

Being stupid isn't an excuse. 15 years is plenty of time to know better, not knowing is criminally negligent.
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Yellow posted...

You haven't seen teenagers do stupid shit like I've seen.

Yeah I forgot a person who is under 20 like yourself has seen everything. Silly me.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Yellow posted...

You haven't seen teenagers do stupid shit like I've seen.

Being stupid isn't an excuse. 15 years is plenty of time to know better, not knowing is criminally negligent.

Exactly.

Really pisses me off how much this country coddles the stupid. "Ignorance of the law is no excuse." It's a widely accepted fact.
But being so fucking stupid that you don't understand the basic concept of gravity is supposed to get you off the hook easier? Fucking bull shit, if anything, someone that dumb and reckless is a greater danger to society and deserves a LONGER sentence.

Yellow posted...

They're children not realizing the consequences of their actions and giving into peer pressure. Life in prison though, ugh.

children-> tried as adults
manslaughter -> nope murder lol

I hope they have a half decent lawyer for those outrageous charges.

They're minors that took away the father of other children.

They made their choice. Now they should live with the consequences.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

They were dropping massive rocks on speeding vehicles, they may not have meant to kill, but they intended to hurt people.

the way that kind of death is classified is unintentional manslaughter (sometimes referred to as fourth degree murder which is why it is on the page about murder in the U.S.)

when people talk about murder this is not what they mean. they mean first and second degree, sometimes third.

intent to do harm without direct intent to kill = involuntary manslaughter

All three crimes (first, second, and third degree murder) above feature an intent to kill, whereas involuntary manslaughter is "unintentional", because the killer did not intend for a death to result from their intentional actions. If there is a presence of intention it relates only to the intent to cause a violent act which brings about the death, but not an intention to bring about the death itself.

the rocks were intent to cause a violent act, not intent to murder.
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wwinterj25 posted...

Yeah I forgot a person who is under 20 like yourself has seen everything. Silly me.

A) I'm not under 20.

B) I'm going to keep this from digressing any further. I'm not defending them or watering down what they did more than "it's absolutely 100% manslaughter and not murder".

Mead posted...

They're minors that took away the father of other children.

They made their choice. Now they should live with the consequences.

Yes, manslaughter.

Yellow posted...

Mead posted...

They're minors that took away the father of other children.

They made their choice. Now they should live with the consequences.

Yes, manslaughter.

Yes; whatever it is that has been decided by the court, I'll agree.

I don't think they should get life in prison as in the end, they are still children. They still have the rest of their lives to straighten themselves out and be productive citizens.

What happened to that man is poignantly tragic but life doesn't end there. Both victim and defendants are affected in this. And as easy it is to cry out to spill blood, we must rise above that and give them punishment that befits their crime and their personal circumstances.

A father and fianc died; don't add another five to that.

However, they definitely should serve jail time though.

I hope they do penance for this as this is a scar that will remain with them for the rest of their lives.
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What they did was horrible and they definitely should've known better, but life in prison is a bit too much. The fact that some people are actually suggesting the death penalty is just sickening.

jaxy15 posted...

What they did was horrible and they definitely should've known better, but life in prison is a bit too much. The fact that some people are actually suggesting the death penalty is just sickening.

They killed a guy doing something no sane person would even consider, that is sickening. They're fucked in the head, we're better off cutting them from the gene pool.
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