Board 8 > Hearthstone Discussion Topic: A Lack of Synergy

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UltimaterializerX posted...

When do we get the new legend?

I know its today, but what time?

Patch is live, though I'm stuck in initializing for what seems like forever now.
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First arena after the event and i draft the most degenerate druid deck I've ever had. This is gonna be fun.

Wretched Tiller
Bilefin Tidehunter
Blowgill Sniper
Mark of the Wild
Murloc Tidehunter
Wrath
Deathspeaker
Thunder Lizard
Toxic Sewer Ooze
Violet Illusionist
Dark Iron Dwarf
Faceless Shambler
Fandral Staghelm
Mire Keeperx2
Shellshifter
Spellbreaker
Strongshell Scavenger
Druid of the Clawx2
Elise the Trailblazer
Fatespinner
Ancient of Blossoms
Corrupted Seer
Spreading Plague
Bonemare
Malfurion the Pestilent
Ultimate Infestationx3

That is a filthy deck
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firaga89 posted...

Ultimate Infestationx3

When "draw half your deck" becomes literal
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confirming that I did get my rewards and a free arena ticket when my run expired
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I got a free run too

a 2 legendary run but the choices were Lorewalker Cho/Millhouse/Finja and Zerus/Pagle/Hadronox

Fuck me
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I love Zerus.

I just love finding out what's in the box every turn.
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I didn't draft yet, just gonna save my ticket until the new expansion drops and play then
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VeryInsane posted...

I got a free run too

a 2 legendary run but the choices were Lorewalker Cho/Millhouse/Finja and Zerus/Pagle/Hadronox

Fuck me

Two free runs from tickets, two free runs from expired run bonus tickets, two runs that I stopped play at two losses to get the bonus tickets and four runs on the other two regions from regular gold. No legendaries in any of the ten. I think Blizzard forgot to tick the option on my account that raises the legendary selection rate.
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I wouldn't care about not having legendaries when you get legendaries that bad!
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I quite like Zerus as long as it's not in my opening hand. Then it inevitably shows me nothing but Tirion and Ysera before I can play them.
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fuck whatever creature designed the card Jade Idol

can't believe this single card is still poisoning games half a year later
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Patches the real menace
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patches and keleseth are also contenders but at least they require some kind of support

can't even have a win rate above 0% with my fatigue deck against druid because one copy of jade idol and no other jade cards makes it impossible for me to win

literally the epitome of 'whose idea was this'
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i mean

it does suck

but geist does exist now

so you can tech against it at least
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you "can" tech by running geist but it's not really a viable strategy. the card is beyond garbage in every single match up besides jade druid. it's bad in jade druid if you don't draw it early enough. and there are so few jade druids on ladder right now that it's not worth it to run the card because it will maybe help you win 1 in 50 games.

it's just annoying that the alternative is to AUTOMATICALLY LOSE 1 in 50 games with a 0% chance of winning because one single card is powerful enough to beat your entire deck (if you're playing control, especially fatigue)
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Then find a win condition that isn't fatigue. Even fatigue decks should either have other ways to win or ways to handle their opponents' threats to fatiguing them.

My pet deck is jade rogue. It basically always loses to big priest. Every single damn time, unless I get off to an extremely fast start. Barnes always lands on 4. Always. And it basically doesn't matter which card they got out, because having to clear it for 3 straight turns afterwards was not something I could manage.

So I added Sap. I didn't really want a Sap in the deck. Most of the time, it's a pretty bad card because I'm not playing for tempo, but if I'm against priest, I hard mulligan for it and ensure that his huge cards don't have any impact on the board before turn 8 or 9. I don't even care that doing so limits my potential a little against Razakus or other priest decks, because big priest is outright unwinnable if I have to fight through 3 consecutive Obsidian Statues.
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I'm not asking for advice on how to beat jade druid

I'm just saying jade idol is a fucking stupid card
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Not arguing with you there. Jade druid is a race to beat them before you hit the endgame. That used to be a matter of defeating their auctioneer. Contemporary decks are much faster and/or much more defensive, which makes breaking through them with anything other than a true aggro deck almost impossible.
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And yet honestly it may very well be only the fourth or fifth most broken/annoying card in Mean Streets
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UltimaterializerX posted...

Geist is not garbage at all in other matchups. It hits Evolve against Shaman, Cold Blood and Hallucinate against Rogue (if you last until Geist is out against Rogue you literally auto-win), a ton of cards against Priest, Soulfire and Mortal Coil against Warlock, Whirlwind, Tracking, Hunters Mark.... its really only useless against Paladin and Mage, and even then the smart Paladins stash the Hydrologist secrets for later so you might get them too.

Oh and if youre able to drop it against Druid you just laugh at them.

then why did my overall win rate go up when I removed it

UltimaterializerX posted...

If youre running a fatigue deck without Geist, its your own fault for losing to Jade Idol.

yeah, I know. I was willing to lose these matches and improve my overall winrate in all other matches which are way more common since I only face like 1 in 20 jade druids.

my complaint is not "jade idol is ruining the meta" or "jade idol is making my deck completely unplayable." my complaint is that it's a terribly designed card that ruins the fun of the 1 in 20 games when it is played.

azuarc posted...

Not arguing with you there. Jade druid is a race to beat them before you hit the endgame. That used to be a matter of defeating their auctioneer. Contemporary decks are much faster and/or much more defensive, which makes breaking through them with anything other than a true aggro deck almost impossible.

it is truly one of the stupidest design decisions I've ever seen in hearthstone. they actually introduced a card that single handedly stifles the entire control archetype. luckily I don't really see jade druid that much anymore so it's no longer ruining the entire meta, but it's still frustrating that when you do see a jade druid you automatically lose now (unless you're running geist which will negatively impact your overall win rate for the sake of getting the mild satisfaction when you increase your odds against jade druid from 0% to 30%)
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...uh

One of the most oppressive metas was Karazhan and that featured what may honestly be the strongest Midrange deck in Hearthstones history (Shaman)

Idol exists more because people complained about Fatigue Warrior.
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Please stop BSing that were defending it. Were just accepting it because its a core mechanic of the game. The amount of highroll in this meta has also been complained about by others here, we just suck it up or decide to get out.
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Mid Shaman was a Midrange deck that just had strong openers and multiple near broken cards
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Rank 20/19 is a very weird place. I lost to an aggro Paladin on like turn 6 or something because he was only going face. He hit me twice with truesilver then buffed the 2/1 charge pirate to an 11/5 and played the 3/2 weapon.

Did someone play this deck in a tournament recently or something?
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conclusion: marin is for the memes and the memes alone

I don't think there's any deck I'd rather have him in than Lich King.
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Being able to play some of his treasures twice in DK Rogue seems pretty good but he also doesn't really fit into what that deck is trying to do.
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I play Quest Mage for the first time in four or five months to finish to Win 5 Mage/X quests, and my first game is met with Coin->Gnomeferatu->Antonidas. I still won because the Warlock lifetapped himself nearly to death all on his own, but what luck for the first game back.
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I could maybe see Marin being useful in Purify Priest

Hell the treasure chest can be Potion of Madness Double Divine Spirit and Inner Fired in the late game
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Quest Mage vs Regular? Mage, who was running Marin because he's a cool guy and all. After hitting the box with a Frostbolt I'm in firm freeze-bored-out-of-your-mind-nothing-is-happening control, as well as two rng Mirror Images to slow him down even more, so he has to resort to pinging the box off an on over the next seven or eight turns. When he finally gets it to 1 HP and hits it with that last glorious ping, all of that work he put in getting there paying off... his hand is full. No fizzy lifting drinks for him.
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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/162396569289752576/377634550718791690/unknown.png

This guy should really program a concede function on his Pirate Warrior bot.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INLVXUY_boM#t=5m

i did say he was for the memes

and the memes are good
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Oh shit, I just hit 500 Wins with my first class: Priest. I was freaking out, since I'd never seen that animation before.
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UltimaterializerX posted...

Quest mage plays 4 ice blocks in one game, and both molten reflections were randomly generated instead of having to draw them.

But every streamer should try making Marin work and continue rewarding Blizzard for their dipshit highroll RNG design instead of rewarding actual player skill. Amazing game design by the literal worst company in the history of gaming. Even 1983 Atari is better than this garbage, because people were at least smart enough to realize they sucked. People actually defend Blizzard despite 20 years of proof that they dont know what theyre doing.

Ive been playing rogue just to see what the top deck supposedly feels like. I played 50 games and kept track of a few things.

Ive seen Keleseth a total of three times in 50 games. I have had worse draw luck in every game but two. There was one game in 50 where RNG wasnt laughably one sided in the other direction; I burgled Polymorph and DK Jaina in that one, and still lost because my draws are perpetually useless. Ive faced 8 shamans, and all of them had both Maelstrom Portal in the first 7 cards. 23 of those 50 opponents played two Tar Creeper in the first 8 cards. In 27 of those games, I drew both Bonemare in my first 10 cards. I drew Patches first 6 times. All 7 priests I played put out Raza on turn 5 and Anduin on turn 8. The three warriors I played (no one plays this class apparently) all had two turns of throwing out a random minion, playing Brawl, and praying. I lost all 6 Brawls.

I dont just say skill is irrelevant for no reason. I have mathematical and video proof that it means literally nothing, on top of just constantly being far left on the luckbox bell curve. Everyone tells me my pull luck great, but I would trade it for gameplay luck any day. Pulling well means dick if you dont actually get to play, and in the VAST majority of my games I face better draw luck, RNG, and counterpicks all at the same time.

In other card games, you actually learn something when you lose. In Hearthstone, its nothing more than oh well the rng dicerolls went against me again. There is no skill or decisionmaking. Its literal 100% luck.

Nope sorry
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UltimaterializerX posted...

Yep sorry.

And you complain about Ice Block too, dont even try.

Ulti you have moved so far past complaining that you're bordering on neurotic with how little pleasure you seem to get out of this game that you play every day.
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While I dont agree with like Ultis overall message. I do agree that cards like Ice Block and all the random mage random generation are issues. Like I'm fine with a card like Cabalist Tome because its slow, but not something like Primordial Glyph which even Kibler has said is probably too high on the power level for a discover card.
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KokoroAkechi posted...

While I dont agree with like Ultis overall message. I do agree that cards like Ice Block and all the random mage random generation are issues. Like I'm fine with a card like Cabalist Tome because its slow, but not something like Primordial Glyph which even Kibler has said is probably too high on the power level for a discover card.

Would glyph be okay if it were like Shadow visions where you don't get the mana reduction?
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Emeraldegg posted...

KokoroAkechi posted...

While I dont agree with like Ultis overall message. I do agree that cards like Ice Block and all the random mage random generation are issues. Like I'm fine with a card like Cabalist Tome because its slow, but not something like Primordial Glyph which even Kibler has said is probably too high on the power level for a discover card.

Would glyph be okay if it were like Shadow visions where you don't get the mana reduction?

I dont know. Honestly it might not be good then because pulling a card from your deck is a lot better than a random one a lot of times. Sure you can get like an Ice Block (which could win you the game) but mage spell usefulness is pretty feast of famine. But I'm not sure if a card like glyph should have ever been a card meant for competitive play anyway.
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