Poll of the Day > Minor forced to wait to have abortion

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Revelation34
10/21/17 1:54:31 PM
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https://tinyurl.com/ybjash2o Washington Post link.

Pretty obvious they're only doing it since they want to force her to give birth.
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Kyuubi4269
10/21/17 1:59:32 PM
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Oh fuck off, they just don't want illegal immigrants benefiting from the US.

It's a deterrent to try discourage people illegally crossing the border.
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Revelation34
10/21/17 2:02:36 PM
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Kyuubi4269 posted...
Oh fuck off, they just don't want illegal immigrants benefiting from the US.

It's a deterrent to try discourage people illegally crossing the border.


That might be a valid point if she had crossed because she knew she was pregnant.
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Kyuubi4269
10/21/17 2:04:11 PM
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Revelation34 posted...
Kyuubi4269 posted...
Oh fuck off, they just don't want illegal immigrants benefiting from the US.

It's a deterrent to try discourage people illegally crossing the border.


That might be a valid point if she had crossed because she knew she was pregnant.

If she can get an abortion then pregnant people will cross the border.
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Mead
10/21/17 2:07:02 PM
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Sad they would treat someone that way just because they work underground
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Revelation34
10/21/17 2:08:12 PM
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Kyuubi4269 posted...
If she can get an abortion then pregnant people will cross the border.


Burden of proof is on you to prove that one.
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Kyuubi4269
10/21/17 2:08:58 PM
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Mead posted...
Sad they would treat someone that way just because they work underground

She's a mole person?
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Kyuubi4269
10/21/17 2:10:50 PM
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Revelation34 posted...
Kyuubi4269 posted...
If she can get an abortion then pregnant people will cross the border.


Burden of proof is on you to prove that one.

Benefit fraud is a thing and this is a benefit gained by illicit action.
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Doctor Foxx
10/21/17 2:17:07 PM
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Kyuubi4269 posted...
Revelation34 posted...
Kyuubi4269 posted...
Oh fuck off, they just don't want illegal immigrants benefiting from the US.

It's a deterrent to try discourage people illegally crossing the border.


That might be a valid point if she had crossed because she knew she was pregnant.

If she can get an abortion then pregnant people will cross the border.

Wait so do pregnant people cross to abort or to have anchor babies to be able to stay? Can't do both. Need to know what the current boogeyman is.
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Revelation34
10/21/17 2:21:09 PM
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Benefit fraud is a thing and this is a benefit gained by illicit action.


Except that doesn't apply to abortions.
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Kyuubi4269
10/21/17 2:22:04 PM
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Doctor Foxx posted...
Wait so do pregnant people cross to abort or to have anchor babies to be able to stay? Can't do both. Need to know what the current boogeyman is.

What is wrong with you? Different people have different motivations, and this kid is looking to take advantage of a service she is not entitled to.
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KaptainKiro
10/21/17 2:22:41 PM
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Doctor Foxx posted...
Wait so do pregnant people cross to abort or to have anchor babies to be able to stay? Can't do both. Need to know what the current boogeyman is.


maybe tell us why both cant be true?

also, anchor babies cant be called a boogeyman when its an actual thing and there is literally a term called birth tourism to describe people coming to the US to do exactly that.
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Kyuubi4269
10/21/17 2:23:59 PM
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Revelation34 posted...
Kyuubi4269 posted...

Benefit fraud is a thing and this is a benefit gained by illicit action.


Except that doesn't apply to abortions.

Why not? Do you think people don't want/need abortions? Do you think people wouldn't have abortions if it's illegal?
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Revelation34
10/21/17 2:24:16 PM
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KaptainKiro posted...
Doctor Foxx posted...
Wait so do pregnant people cross to abort or to have anchor babies to be able to stay? Can't do both. Need to know what the current boogeyman is.


maybe tell us why both cant be true?

also, anchor babies cant be called a boogeyman when its an actual thing and there is literally a term called birth tourism to describe people coming to the US to do exactly that.


That's not fraud in that case. It would be fraud if if the mother actually illegally stayed with the child
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Mead
10/21/17 2:24:49 PM
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KaptainKiro posted...
maybe tell us why both cant be true?


Well if you get an abortion you don't end up with a baby

jfc
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Doctor Foxx
10/21/17 2:26:36 PM
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Kyuubi4269 posted...
Doctor Foxx posted...
Wait so do pregnant people cross to abort or to have anchor babies to be able to stay? Can't do both. Need to know what the current boogeyman is.

What is wrong with you? Different people have different motivations, and this kid is looking to take advantage of a service she is not entitled to.

The panels decision noted that government lawyers acknowledged that the girl, who is in the United States illegally, possesses a constitutional right to obtain an abortion in the United States.


she is entitled to seek an abortion. Where is it saying she is expecting anyone else to pay for it? Tax dollars don't fund all of (or even most of) abortion in the US, private donor dollars do, she is ripping no one off. She is no more more abusing services than she has been by using taxpayer funded roads to drive to seek an abortion.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2015/10/02/are-american-taxpayers-paying-for-abortion

But now her being detained and delayed is going to greatly increase the money the government spends on her--instead of that 24% of the cost of an abortion, they're going to be out for court costs and other expenses magnitudes greater in cost.
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Revelation34
10/21/17 2:28:44 PM
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Doctor Foxx posted...
Kyuubi4269 posted...
Doctor Foxx posted...
Wait so do pregnant people cross to abort or to have anchor babies to be able to stay? Can't do both. Need to know what the current boogeyman is.

What is wrong with you? Different people have different motivations, and this kid is looking to take advantage of a service she is not entitled to.

The panels decision noted that government lawyers acknowledged that the girl, who is in the United States illegally, possesses a constitutional right to obtain an abortion in the United States.


she is entitled to seek an abortion. Where is it saying she is expecting anyone else to pay for it? Tax dollars don't fund all of (or even most of) abortion in the US, private donor dollars do, she is ripping no one off. She is no more more abusing services than she has been by using taxpayer funded roads to drive to seek an abortion.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2015/10/02/are-american-taxpayers-paying-for-abortion

But now her being detained and delayed is going to greatly increase the money the government spends on her--instead of that 24% of the cost of an abortion, they're going to be out for court costs and other expenses magnitudes greater in cost.


Yeah people are ignorant about that and Planned Parenthood. They usually refuse to acknowledge that abortion is illegal to be paid with tax payer money. Their abortion funding is all privately funded.
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Doctor Foxx
10/21/17 2:30:38 PM
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Mead posted...
KaptainKiro posted...
maybe tell us why both cant be true?


Well if you get an abortion you don't end up with a baby

jfc

That. The old boogeyman is pregnant people go to the US to have a baby and stay in the US with their newly born citizen. This is the first i have heard of people going to the US--especially Texas, one of the hardest places to get an abortion--to seek abortion.

It's not clear but it sounds like she was in the US already and only recently realized she is pregnant.
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Revelation34
10/21/17 2:32:56 PM
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Doctor Foxx posted...
Mead posted...
KaptainKiro posted...
maybe tell us why both cant be true?


Well if you get an abortion you don't end up with a baby

jfc

That. The old boogeyman is pregnant people go to the US to have a baby and stay in the US with their newly born citizen. This is the first i have heard of people going to the US--especially Texas, one of the hardest places to get an abortion--to seek abortion.

It's not clear but it sounds like she was in the US already and only recently realized she is pregnant.


The article said that pretty much. I assume that they did tests on her and found she was pregnant.
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Kyuubi4269
10/21/17 2:33:56 PM
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Doctor Foxx posted...
she is entitled to seek an abortion.

In her home country.

Doctor Foxx posted...
Where is it saying she is expecting anyone else to pay for it? Tax dollars don't fund all of (or even most of) abortion in the US, private donor dollars do, she is ripping no one off. She is no more more abusing services than she has been by using taxpayer funded roads to drive to seek an abortion.

It's not an issue of cost, much as you typically can't buy a house in a country you don't legally live. Foreign countries owe you nothing, it's even a privilege to be allowed to set foot on their land.

Doctor Foxx posted...
But now her being detained and delayed is going to greatly increase the money the government spends on her--instead of that 24% of the cost of an abortion, they're going to be out for court costs and other expenses magnitudes greater in cost.

That's the price of war. Hopefully illegal immigrants will think twice about abusing weak border control when the country they try to abuse is willing to take damages to spite them.

Don't invade hostile countries.
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Revelation34
10/21/17 2:36:02 PM
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Kyuubi4269 posted...
Don't invade hostile countries.


I laughed.
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Doctor Foxx
10/21/17 2:37:12 PM
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Kyuubi4269 posted...
In her home country.

Not just there. See also the government lawyers saying it is a constitutional right.

Kyuubi4269 posted...
It's not an issue of cost, much as you typically can't buy a house in a country you don't legally live. Foreign countries owe you nothing, it's even a privilege to be allowed to set foot on their land.

I don't know where you got that idea, foreign property ownership is a serious issue causing greatly inflated housing prices in many regions

Kyuubi4269 posted...
That's the price of war. Hopefully illegal immigrants will think twice about abusing weak border control when the country they try to abuse is willing to take damages to spite them.

Don't invade hostile countries.

The US is at war with Central America? Doggy doggy what now?

Surely you mean the US created wars in Central America and installed their government of choice in many countries
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Kyuubi4269
10/21/17 2:37:52 PM
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Revelation34 posted...
Kyuubi4269 posted...
Don't invade hostile countries.


I laughed.

This whole topic is complaining that America is being hostile to an invading illegal immigrant.
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Revelation34
10/21/17 2:38:59 PM
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

This whole topic is complaining that America is being hostile to an invading illegal immigrant.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FopyRHHlt3M

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Kyuubi4269
10/21/17 2:39:20 PM
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Doctor Foxx posted...
The US is at war with Central America? Doggy doggy what now?

Surely you mean the US created wars in Central America and installed their government of choice in many countries

The US is at war with immigration, like drugs and terrorism.
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Cacciato
10/21/17 2:45:40 PM
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I love when Kyuubi starts arguing because it turns into a phenomenal shitshow.
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Kyuubi4269
10/21/17 2:47:40 PM
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Doctor Foxx posted...
I don't know where you got that idea, foreign property ownership is a serious issue causing greatly inflated housing prices in many regions

Owned by business owners, who get more rights than vacationers.
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Revelation34
10/22/17 1:41:09 PM
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Kyuubi4269 posted...
Doctor Foxx posted...
I don't know where you got that idea, foreign property ownership is a serious issue causing greatly inflated housing prices in many regions

Owned by business owners, who get more rights than vacationers.


Because literally nobody who has ever owned a house in a foreign country was just somebody who loved the country.
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adjl
10/22/17 11:14:07 PM
#29:


Kyuubi4269 posted...
Doctor Foxx posted...
I don't know where you got that idea, foreign property ownership is a serious issue causing greatly inflated housing prices in many regions

Owned by business owners, who get more rights than vacationers.


You heard it here, folks: It's illegal to own a vacation home in another country.

Kyuubi4269 posted...
Doctor Foxx posted...
The US is at war with Central America? Doggy doggy what now?

Surely you mean the US created wars in Central America and installed their government of choice in many countries

The US is at war with immigration, like drugs and terrorism.


I don't even know what you're talking about at this point.
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Zeus
10/22/17 11:17:20 PM
#30:


Sanctity of life vs preventing an anchor baby from being born >_> At any rate, given that she's not a citizen, shouldn't we respect the laws of her native land?
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Revelation34
10/22/17 11:27:57 PM
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Zeus posted...
Sanctity of life vs preventing an anchor baby from being born >_> At any rate, given that she's not a citizen, shouldn't we respect the laws of her native land?


It doesn't say what the laws of that country are because it wasn't named. Even if that country banned abortion it should really be what the woman wants.
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