Poll of the Day > 24 y/o White Man MURDERS his gf's Black Boyfriend but says he's NOT RACIST!!!

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24 y/o Elf Ears and Trailer Trash, Earl Jones is on trial in Ohio for the murder of his ex girlfriends mixed race boyfriend, Kevin Neri after calling him the N-Word and posting a HALF NAKED picture of his gf on social media!!

Earl maintains he's "innocent" and said he shot the 19 y/o in self defense in 2016 just hours when they were scheduled for a "fist fight" and he claims he didn't kill him because he was black despite what friends are suggesting AND what the text says

Friends have said that Earl has been for months seething at the fact that his former girlfriend, 21 y/o Cyerra Prather was dating a black man..

The 2 had a son together when Cyerra was 16 years old and he was angered over the fact that he had been near his son.

In one text message it showed Earl repeatedly calling him the N-Word and the 2 traded angry FB and text messages back at each other.

It exploded in an all out war when Earl then posted half naked pics of his gf on FB and twitter depicted in a scantily clad outfit...that is when Kevin became enraged and called him out to fight him.

In one evening, Earl came out to pick up their 4 y/o son and to "settle" the dispute and they hashed it out at 8pm..but when Earl when back to his car, he then shot his rival three times with a .38 caliber and sped away

Cyerra tried to stop the bleeding but he did not survive.

Earl tried to cover his tracks by calling a dispatcher from his car to say he killed Kevin in self defense and drove to a nearby police station to turn himself in..

Black Lives Matter have taken up the case to portray Kevin as a victim of a racially motivated crime

Earl's lawyer, Bill Gallager however is challening the text and says that it's being taken out of "context" who said that everyone thinks this is about race and that it's a straight case of SELF DEFENSE. He noted that Earl has BLACK FRIENDS and couldn't possibly be racist.

Earl's spooky lawyer also claims that N word is NOT RACIST but a word that describes certain people and not black people as a "whole".

Do you think this was a hate crime?

Earl - Racist

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Kevin - Deceased and Cyerra

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mrduckbear posted...

Do you think this was a hate crime?

Given that the primary motivation is the fact he was with the ex, probably not.
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Oh so it was a ex? That topic title confused me for a second. Also no it's not a hate crime. It was a crazy ex.
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mrduckbear posted...

Black Lives Matter have taken up the case to portray Kevin as a victim of a racially motivated crime

Of course they did.

Personally I'd be pretty upset if the girl I loved and had kids with left me and had someone else raise my kids.
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It's kinda' hard to say. He's definitely the jealous ex type, and would've been angry regardless of who she dated after him, but he does sound racist, and it sounds like he hated this guy extra because of his race. "Jealous ex" may have been the primary motivation, but it sounds very possible that race played a part, too.
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mrduckbear posted...

it's being taken out of "context"

I hear that defense for literally every dumb thing that comes out of a public figure's mouth.

It means nothing to me if you don't even bring up the correct context.

Golden Road posted...

he does sound racist, and it sounds like he hated this guy extra because of his race.

How so?
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

How so?

He called him a n

Yellow posted...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

How so?

He called him a n

He said insults in anger, big whoop.
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Yeah pretty racist ones.

I have to even wonder what this even is to you. Like, do you relate? Are you not racist either?

It was hate because of what he did to the gf, not because of his race.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

He said insults in anger, big whoop.

Exactly how I understand it. Trying to make this about race is racist in itself as you're basically saying because a white person killed a black person it must be racist.
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Yes but he also called him a n.

Yellow posted...

Yes but he also called him a n.

Calling someone a offensive word doesn't mean they are racist, homophobic or any other label you want to attach to them It just means they know a offensive word. If he went on a big ol' racist rant on a regular bases then you may have a point. He didn't so you don't.
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Yellow posted...

Yeah pretty racist ones.

I have to even wonder what this even is to you. Like, do you relate? Are you not racist either?

I relate to spitting venom at the exes new boyfriend after a bad breakup.

When you want someone to suffer, you'll push all their buttons, being off-limits makes them extra tempting.

Racism requires having an issue with race while this guy has an issue with his ex and her replacement for him.
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wwinterj25 posted...

Yellow posted...

Yes but he also called him a n.

Calling someone a offensive word doesn't mean they are racist, homophobic or any other label you want to attach to them It just means they know a offensive word.

If a racist pejorative is so entrenched in one's mind that one unthinkingly uses it in a moment of anger, then one is undoubtedly at least a little racist.

There are countless pejoratives one could unthinkingly blurt out in a moment of anger that do not refer to race in any way. If he was only angry about his ex dating someone new and the race of the person didn't matter at all, he would have used one of those. However, this assclown didn't use any of those pejoratives, signifying that somewhere deep in his fragile little psyche, he had a problem with the race of his ex's new beau, which makes him at least a little racist.
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dainkinkaide posted...

If he was only angry about his ex dating someone new and the race of the person didn't matter at all, he would have used one of those.

You think any attack is off limits when your kids are involved? It's not said unthinkingly, it's said to piss him off.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

When you want someone to suffer, you'll push all their buttons, being off-limits makes them extra tempting.

wwinterj25 posted...

Calling someone a offensive word doesn't mean they are racist, homophobic or any other label you want to attach to them It just means they know a offensive word. If he went on a big ol' racist rant on a regular bases then you may have a point. He didn't so you don't.

Pretty much this. We all live with certain cultural understandings when it comes to the relative harshness and harm within insults, so somebody just trying to go for the most harmful thing they can think of can reach for a racial slur simply because they know it will cause the most possible hurt. Of course, it's a problem exacerbated by people who elevate these words to a near-sacred level and create the taboos. Words themselves contain no special power other than what the speaker and listener assign them. The n-word is the greatest example because it simply just meant black but, thanks to a long history of well-intentioned efforts and attempts for whites to distance themselves from other whites, it's developed a life of its own. And, because it has that special life, it's an immediately understood insult with a well-known scope of harm.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Racism requires having an issue with race while this guy has an issue with his ex and her replacement for him.

It's possible for him to have an issue with his replacement, and also be racist. Those are not mutually exclusive.
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Golden Road posted...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

Racism requires having an issue with race while this guy has an issue with his ex and her replacement for him.

It's possible for him to have an issue with his replacement, and also be racist. Those are not mutually exclusive.

It's possible, but there's no evidence in this case, angry people say angry things.
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racist

a person who shows or feels discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or who believes that a particular race is superior to another.

Should I just keep this in my sig at all times?

Zeus posted...

The n-word is the greatest example because it simply just meant black

It never "simply just meant black". From its very coinage, it carried connotations of inferiority. While, at times, it may not have been intended as an insult (due to white supremacy being the prevailing societal belief), it was still unquestionably a pejorative term.
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Does it really matter if it was a hate crime? The important thing was that he killed someone with witnesses. Case closed, lock him up.
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Yellow posted...

racist

a person who shows or feels discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or who believes that a particular race is superior to another.

Should I just keep this in my sig at all times?

Probably, since you seem to have a preoccupation with race.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Probably, since you seem to have a preoccupation with race.

???

No, that's duckbear. He just knew that would get us arguing so instead of talking about the killer he made us question whether or not the killer was racist.

Yellow posted...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

Probably, since you seem to have a preoccupation with race.

???

No, that's duckbear. He just knew that would get us arguing so instead of talking about the killer he made us question whether or not the killer was racist.

BLM made the race claim and you ran with it.
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It has nothing to do with race. Thats just a convenient scapegoat. Lots of guys would at least hurt the dude here...
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

BLM made the race claim and you ran with it.

I completely forgot BLM was even in the article.

Even then broken watches are right twice a day.

TheCyborgNinja posted...

It has nothing to do with race. Thats just a convenient scapegoat. Lots of guys would at least hurt the dude here...

How are people so sure that this obviously misunderstood nice guy couldn't possibly be racist?
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Yellow posted...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

BLM made the race claim and you ran with it.

I completely forgot BLM was even in the article.

Even then broken watches are right twice a day.

And now is not that time.

Golden Road posted...

How are people so sure that this obviously misunderstood nice guy couldn't possibly be racist?

Since Hitler was such a nasty guy, I bet he hated Aryans too.
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dainkinkaide posted...

wwinterj25 posted...

Yellow posted...

Yes but he also called him a n.

Calling someone a offensive word doesn't mean they are racist, homophobic or any other label you want to attach to them It just means they know a offensive word.

If a racist pejorative is so entrenched in one's mind that one unthinkingly uses it in a moment of anger, then one is undoubtedly at least a little racist.

There are countless pejoratives one could unthinkingly blurt out in a moment of anger that do not refer to race in any way. If he was only angry about his ex dating someone new and the race of the person didn't matter at all, he would have used one of those. However, this assclown didn't use any of those pejoratives, signifying that somewhere deep in his fragile little psyche, he had a problem with the race of his ex's new beau, which makes him at least a little racist.

Except no, it's a term that society entrenches in everybody's mind as one of the absolute worst things to call a black person. The fact that everybody in the society understands that it's so bad and so taboo makes it the sort of thing which would come out of an angry person's mouth whereas a racist would simply use it casually.

dainkinkaide posted...

Zeus posted...

The n-word is the greatest example because it simply just meant black

It never "simply just meant black". From its very coinage, it carried connotations of inferiority. While, at times, it may not have been intended as an insult (due to white supremacy being the prevailing societal belief), it was still unquestionably a pejorative term.

Because the race itself had those connotations of inferiority... You can't separate the word from the race and the race was really where those feelings originated. Keep in mind that even the ALLIES of blacks and blacks themselves used the word.

The connotations only began to separate from the race itself *after* people began to use different words to refer to blacks.

Yellow posted...

racist

a person who shows or feels discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or who believes that a particular race is superior to another.

Should I just keep this in my sig at all times?

The errant, well-intentioned zealotry of people using racist as a label when it doesn't fit is a major driving factor for the growing popularity white supremacy movements.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

And now is not that time.

My sanity needs a fucking safe space right now. ConserveoftheDay.

racist

a person who shows or feels discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or who believes that a particular race is superior to another.

Zeus posted...

The errant, well-intentioned zealotry of people using racist as a label when it doesn't fit is a major driving factor for the growing popularity white supremacy movements.

He called him a n***** multiple times in the most straightforward context.

racist

a person who shows or feels discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or who believes that a particular race is superior to another.

wwinterj25 posted...

Yellow posted...

Yes but he also called him a n.

Calling someone a offensive word doesn't mean they are racist, homophobic or any other label you want to attach to them It just means they know a offensive word. If he went on a big ol' racist rant on a regular bases then you may have a point. He didn't so you don't.

Except it kinda does. But you keep on that it's not racist to call people racist terms things.

Yellow posted...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

And now is not that time.

My sanity needs a fucking safe space right now. ConserveoftheDay.

racist

a person who shows or feels discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or who believes that a particular race is superior to another.

Zeus posted...

The errant, well-intentioned zealotry of people using racist as a label when it doesn't fit is a major driving factor for the growing popularity white supremacy movements.

He called him a n***** multiple times in the most straightforward context.

racist

a person who shows or feels discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or who believes that a particular race is superior to another.

Both of those users are known racists and bigots. Don't bother.

Lol He brought in an alt.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Lol He brought in an alt.

Or someone else decided to show up to the clown vomit fiesta.

black people hate being called n*****, so if your pissed off at a black dude and wanna piss him off, weather or not your a rasict it would make sense to call him that. but then again all white people were born with original sin type of racism and need to be reminded 500 times a day how evil they are and how there responsible for all the bad in the world, so yeah hes probly a racist
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Look, I gave this turdgoblin the benefit of the doubt by saying he said a racist thing unthinkingly in a moment of anger.

Meanwhile, we've got these people in this topic saying he used a racist pejorative deliberately, which, by some arcane logical thaumaturgy, makes him not racist.
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Zeus posted...

mrduckbear posted...

Do you think this was a hate crime?

Given that the primary motivation is the fact he was with the ex, probably not.

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I do think this guy is a bit racist but not because he used the n word in anger. When you're trying to hurt someone you have to approach it at all angles; what looks do they have that you can clown on, what is their skin color, insult their family, etc. If I called your mom a dirty name I have no malice toward your mom; I'm just trying to hurt you. I think in this case it's the same with the n word where he's just trying to find words that will cut like a knife, and doesn't have any issues with the skin color of other people. He just hates everything about this guy.

What does make this guy racist is the part where the friends say he was mad she was dating a black guy. It's probably mostly just insecurity because he doesn't see what she sees in her new BF but it's still racism too. And the part where he was mad his son was near the new BF but that could be jealousy, but all of these little things add up and don't help his cause when used in conjunction with the n word.

dainkinkaide posted...

we've got these people in this topic saying he used a racist pejorative deliberately, which, by some arcane logical thaumaturgy, makes him not racist.

If I call you a prick, does that mean I think you're actually a typing penis? No, the intent is to piss you off.

You don't have to use racist terms to be racist and you're not inherently racist when you use racist terms. Intent is all that matters and this guy hates that his ex found someone else.
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Main motive: crazy ex.
Mental health: disturbed af.
Living situation: in a trailer park with a son before 18.

Now it might well be that the killer was extremely angry and wanted to hurt the new boyfriend as much as possible, resorting to call him a n(because it's the most offensive thing you can say in that sitution). However I'd not be surprised if the dude was racist. Crazy (litterally, he shot his ex's new bf) trailer park folk with babies as a teenagers don't seem to be the biggest fans of black people.
So hate crime? I doubt it. I think the killer would've been rougly as upset with the mew boyfriend if he was white, maybe just some extra salt in the wound because he thinks white people are better than black people. That would make him a racist but that doesn't mean it's necessarily a hate crime, because the main motive is still the crazy ex thing, if the other guy would've been white he would probably still have shot him.

Also, this whole story is just extremely tragic. A girl with a baby at 16 is always quite difficult but when you live in the lower tiers of the us' society and also have that crazy ex in the mix it's almost impossible to stay sane.
This girl was very lucky see found a new guy that was willing to look past the problems that a son might have on his life and by the looks of the photos they both seemed genuinely happy and doing ok in terms of money etc (as far as I can tell from the photos supplied). So this girl managed to turn her life from shit to on track again and this fool who has probably been harrasing her ever since he left her just decides to fuck it all up again, leaving the girl, and HIS son, lets not forget about that, in a terrible situation and traumatised for life.
Hate crime or not, this guy is a terrible human being.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

If I call you a prick, does that mean I think you're actually a typing penis?

Obviously not, because that's not what that word means in the pejorative context.

You don't have to use racist terms to be racist

No one has said otherwise, ever, so I have no idea why you would bring it up.

and you're not inherently racist when you use racist terms.

There are a few contexts where using the n-word does not mean you're racist:
1. You're talking about the word itself, e.g. it's history, cultural significance, etc.
2. You're a black person using it as a term of endearment.
3. You're not a black person, but you're still using it as a term of endearment, which may not end well for you.
4. You're quoting someone.

However, if you're deliberately or unthinkingly using it in the pejorative sense against a black person, then you're engaging in racist behavior (the severity of which would be determined by intent), which makes you a racist.

And when your defense for using the term isn't "sorry, I fucked up", but rather "the term only describes certain people, not black people as a whole", despite the fact that the term is historically linked to black people as a whole, then you're just doubling down on the racism. And that's a hand you're going to fucking lose.
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No hes not racist. Hes salty because someone was fucking his ex.

And no when people are angry they say pretty much anything.

Ive known pretty liberal usage of the f-slur, the r-slur and others.

No none of those people hated gays or were ableist.

dainkinkaide posted...

Obviously not, because that's not what that word means in the pejorative context.

In a pejorative context it means "I don't like you, black person!" similar to kisama in Japanese. It's referring to a person impolitely, it becomes racist in the context of intending to be racist.

dainkinkaide posted...

There are a few contexts where using the n-word does not mean you're racist:
1. You're talking about the word itself, e.g. it's history, cultural significance, etc.
2. You're a black person using it as a term of endearment.
3. You're not a black person, but you're still using it as a term of endearment, which may not end well for you.
4. You're quoting someone.

Considering how a racist term has been commandeered to the extend of completely changing what it means in 2 and 3, you're demonstrating how it means whatever the fuck your intent is. The only sticking point is that the target is black, otherwise it's fairly up in the air.
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OK, I'm going to break this down for you by doing something ridiculous.

Let's say I start using "firetruck" as pejorative term. Now, clearly, the explicit intent is to insult someone, because I'm using a term pejoratively. But, by implication, it's also clear that I consider the state of being a firetruck to be somehow undesirable. In this hypothetical situation, I am clearly prejudiced against firetrucks.

This hypothetical holds parallels with people who use "gay" as a general term for describing an undesirable event or thing. Their explicit intent is not to insult gay people, but, by using a term that is heavily associated with homosexual people, the implication that being homosexual is undesirable in their eyes still stands.

Now, if we replace "firetruck" in that hypothetical with a term that already carries heavy connotations of finding a particular race undesirable (e.g. the n-word), even if you're not insulting a black person by your use of the term pejoratively, you're still saying that being black is somehow undesirable. It means you're prejudiced against black people, which is racism.

In fact, it's even more racist to use the n-word as an insult towards people who aren't black. If you use the term as an insult towards a black person, you're merely saying "I find you undesirable because of your race" (whether you explicitly intend to or not), whereas if you use it as an insult towards someone who isn't black, you're saying "I find black people so undesirable that I am unfavorably comparing you to one".
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Lmao I can't believe people are arguing the n-word was not meant to be a pejorative. I can't.
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dainkinkaide posted...

you're still saying that being black is somehow undesirable. It means you're prejudiced against black people, which is racism.

Your logic is flawed, so much so that it suggests black people are racist to themselves by being offended by it in the first place.

It's identical to calling a Nazi a Jew to insult them because it'll get their goat. You don't have a problem with Jews, but you know they do and you want to upset them.
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