abuse allegation toward developer Naughty Dog

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Mead 10/14/17 8:28:14 PM #1:	http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2017/10/14/naughty-dog-sexual-harassment-allegations-emerge/ Artist claims he was being sexually harassed by a lead developer. When he spoke about the incident he was fired the next day and offered $20k to remain silent First there was the ScreenJunkies story and now this. The disturbing thing to me about these stories is how many instances of things like this are going on elsewhere that no one is speaking up about --- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mead "I'm Mary Poppins ya'll!" <cite>Mead posted [p:888442459] in Weinstein-... [t:75879780]...</cite> <quote>http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2017/10/14/naughty-dog-sexual-harassment-allegations-emerge/ Artist claims he was being sexually harassed by a lead developer. When he spoke about the incident he was fired the next day and offered $20k to remain silent First there was the ScreenJunkies story and now this. The disturbing thing to me about these stories is how many instances of things like this are going on elsewhere that no one is speaking up about</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WastelandCowboy 10/14/17 8:31:18 PM #2:	It's unfortunate this happened, but honestly, this isn't going to stop me from buying and playing Naughty Dog games. <cite>WastelandCowboy posted [p:888442619] in Weinstein-... [t:75879780]...</cite> <quote>It's unfortunate this happened, but honestly, this isn't going to stop me from buying and playing Naughty Dog games.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 10/14/17 8:31:30 PM #3:	Too early to take seriously without any evidence, particularly when this employee can't find work after the incident, implying they were fired because they're not very good. He's also claiming he was offered $20k to keep quiet and responded with: "I won't take your money AND I won't say anything for a long time until I'm strapped for cash." If you're not going to blab, why not take the free money? --- RIP_Supa posted... I've seen some stuff <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:888442626] in Weinstein-... [t:75879780]...</cite> <quote>Too early to take seriously without any evidence, particularly when this employee can't find work after the incident, implying they were fired because they're not very good. He's also claiming he was offered $20k to keep quiet and responded with: "I won't take your money AND I won't say anything for a long time until I'm strapped for cash." If you're not going to blab, why not take the free money?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 10/14/17 8:41:04 PM #4:	WastelandCowboy posted... It's unfortunate this happened, but honestly, this isn't going to stop me from buying and playing Naughty Dog games. Me neither tbh but I think it is important to promote a culture where victims can come forward without retaliation --- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mead "I'm Mary Poppins ya'll!" <cite>Mead posted [p:888443123] in Weinstein-... [t:75879780]...</cite> <quote><cite>WastelandCowboy posted...</cite> <quote>It's unfortunate this happened, but honestly, this isn't going to stop me from buying and playing Naughty Dog games.</quote> Me neither tbh but I think it is important to promote a culture where victims can come forward without retaliation</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WastelandCowboy 10/14/17 9:20:49 PM #5:	Mead posted... WastelandCowboy posted... It's unfortunate this happened, but honestly, this isn't going to stop me from buying and playing Naughty Dog games. Me neither tbh but I think it is important to promote a culture where victims can come forward without retaliation Very true. Then again, we live in a world where people need a scapegoat and someone else to blame for their misfortune. <cite>WastelandCowboy posted [p:888445106] in Weinstein-... [t:75879780]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mead posted...</cite> <quote><cite>WastelandCowboy posted...</cite> <quote>It's unfortunate this happened, but honestly, this isn't going to stop me from buying and playing Naughty Dog games.</quote> Me neither tbh but I think it is important to promote a culture where victims can come forward without retaliation</quote> Very true. Then again, we live in a world where people need a scapegoat and someone else to blame for their misfortune.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheWorstPoster 10/14/17 9:30:43 PM #6:	Naughty Dog went total SJW a long time ago <cite>TheWorstPoster posted [p:888445572] in Weinstein-... [t:75879780]...</cite> <quote>Naughty Dog went total SJW a long time ago</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Golden Road 10/14/17 9:33:18 PM #7:	WastelandCowboy posted... It's unfortunate this happened, but honestly, this isn't going to stop me from buying and playing Naughty Dog games. Why are you telling us this? --- Who's your favorite character from "Bend It Like Beckham"? And you can't say Beckham. <cite>Golden Road posted [p:888445700] in Weinstein-... [t:75879780]...</cite> <quote><cite>WastelandCowboy posted...</cite> <quote>It's unfortunate this happened, but honestly, this isn't going to stop me from buying and playing Naughty Dog games.</quote> Why are you telling us this?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WastelandCowboy 10/14/17 9:36:37 PM #8:	Golden Road posted... WastelandCowboy posted... It's unfortunate this happened, but honestly, this isn't going to stop me from buying and playing Naughty Dog games. Why are you telling us this? Because I'm under no obligation or deal not to? <cite>WastelandCowboy posted [p:888445874] in Weinstein-... [t:75879780]...</cite> <quote><cite>Golden Road posted...</cite> <quote><cite>WastelandCowboy posted...</cite> <quote>It's unfortunate this happened, but honestly, this isn't going to stop me from buying and playing Naughty Dog games.</quote> Why are you telling us this?</quote> Because I'm under no obligation or deal not to?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 10/14/17 9:50:55 PM #9:	How exactly is this Weinstein-esque? Or were you just trying to relate it to something topical? Otherwise, given that he didn't take the money, there's really no proof to his story. More generally, I'm never fond of people just tossing the term "mental breakdown" around since it diminishes its value. Mead posted... First there was the ScreenJunkies story and now this. And it's also insincere to attempt to tie this allegation to those claims, although -- in fairness -- there's no way of knowing what kind of an "investigation" was made into the allegations against Andy Signore which could have been an extensive process where witnesses confirmed the accounts or he confessed to some of it or it could have just solely been based on the testimony of the women. In the latter case, it would just be the victims' words against the accused, which is Salem-esque levels of witchhuntery and I hope that isn't the case although -- full disclosure -- I hate Honest Trailers. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash <cite>Zeus posted [p:888446527] in Weinstein-... [t:75879780]...</cite> <quote>How exactly is this Weinstein-esque? Or were you just trying to relate it to something topical? Otherwise, given that he didn't take the money, there's really no proof to his story. More generally, I'm never fond of people just tossing the term "mental breakdown" around since it diminishes its value. <cite>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>First there was the ScreenJunkies story and now this. </quote> And it's also insincere to attempt to tie this allegation to those claims, although -- in fairness -- there's no way of knowing what kind of an "investigation" was made into the allegations against Andy Signore which could have been an extensive process where witnesses confirmed the accounts or he confessed to some of it or it could have just solely been based on the testimony of the women. In the latter case, it would just be the victims' words against the accused, which is Salem-esque levels of witchhuntery and I hope that isn't the case although -- full disclosure -- I hate Honest Trailers.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 10/14/17 10:06:42 PM #10:	Zeus posted... How exactly is this Weinstein-esque? Or were you just trying to relate it to something topical? Omfg did you seriously not put me on ignore after all your bullshit get a life and stop acting like a creep This strikes to me as a similar to the Weinstein story because it is another case of someone in a superior position using their authority to get away with something that would never be appropriate for anyone else, and other people in the industry looked the other way or actively tried to cover it up and/or it damaged the victim's career Don't worry, you don't have to respond, you can just go --- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mead "I'm Mary Poppins ya'll!" <cite>Mead posted [p:888447308] in Weinstein-... [t:75879780]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>How exactly is this Weinstein-esque? Or were you just trying to relate it to something topical? </quote> Omfg did you seriously not put me on ignore after all your bullshit get a life and stop acting like a creep This strikes to me as a similar to the Weinstein story because it is another case of someone in a superior position using their authority to get away with something that would never be appropriate for anyone else, and other people in the industry looked the other way or actively tried to cover it up and/or it damaged the victim's career Don't worry, you don't have to respond, you can just go</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 10/14/17 10:13:58 PM #11:	Mead posted... Omfg did you seriously not put me on ignore after all your bullshit get a life and stop acting like a creep Says the guy who tried stalking me by googling old usernames. You never did explain why you were doing that, either. Serious creeper behavior, though. Otherwise you'll be in the next batch of ignores when I post it and not a second sooner. Mead posted... This strikes to me as a similar to the Weinstein story because it is another case of someone in a superior position using their authority to get away with something that would never be appropriate for anyone else, and other people in the industry looked the other way or actively tried to cover it up and/or it damaged the victim's career So, basically like every other abuse of authority? --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash <cite>Zeus posted [p:888447702] in Weinstein-... [t:75879780]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>Omfg did you seriously not put me on ignore after all your bullshit get a life and stop acting like a creep</quote> Says the guy who tried stalking me by googling old usernames. You never did explain why you were doing that, either. Serious creeper behavior, though. Otherwise you'll be in the next batch of ignores when I post it and not a second sooner. <cite>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>This strikes to me as a similar to the Weinstein story because it is another case of someone in a superior position using their authority to get away with something that would never be appropriate for anyone else, and other people in the industry looked the other way or actively tried to cover it up and/or it damaged the victim's career</quote> So, basically like every other abuse of authority?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 10/14/17 10:32:51 PM #12:	Well I guess I lack your patience because you are now on mine Really glad that the function auromatically blocks PMs, given your history --- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mead "I'm Mary Poppins ya'll!" <cite>Mead posted [p:888448716] in Weinstein-... [t:75879780]...</cite> <quote>Well I guess I lack your patience because you are now on mine Really glad that the function auromatically blocks PMs, given your history</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 10/15/17 12:44:22 AM #13:	>Stalks me >Spreads vicious lies about me and assists in others doing the same >Then pretends to be wronged party Stay trashy, Mead. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash <cite>Zeus posted [p:888455455] in Weinstein-... [t:75879780]...</cite> <quote>>Stalks me >Spreads vicious lies about me and assists in others doing the same >Then pretends to be wronged party Stay trashy, Mead.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
helIy 10/15/17 12:59:41 AM #14:	Zeus posted... Otherwise, given that he didn't take the money, there's really no proof to his story. because he was offered hush money means... there isn't proof? the mere fact money was offered means it happened. --- depressed again morning comes too fast and i'm tired of the routine <cite>helIy posted [p:888456151] in Weinstein-... [t:75879780]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote> Otherwise, given that he didn't take the money, there's really no proof to his story.</quote> because he was offered hush money means... there isn't proof? the mere fact money was offered means it happened.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 10/15/17 1:11:26 AM #15:	helIy posted... Zeus posted... Otherwise, given that he didn't take the money, there's really no proof to his story. because he was offered hush money means... there isn't proof? the mere fact money was offered means it happened. Because literally all we have now is his word that money was offered. I could say that you offered me $50k to keep some horrible secret but, if I can't prove that $50k changed hands, it would just be my word. However, if I took $50k from you, then I could hold up a bank transfer and say, "I was paid this $50k for my silence," and -- while it may not have been why I was paid the money -- I could at least prove that money changed hands and it would raise the question, "If not for this, why was the money given?" --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash <cite>Zeus posted [p:888456673] in Weinstein-... [t:75879780]...</cite> <quote><cite>helIy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote> Otherwise, given that he didn't take the money, there's really no proof to his story.</quote> because he was offered hush money means... there isn't proof? the mere fact money was offered means it happened.</quote> Because literally all we have now is his word that money was offered. I could say that you offered me $50k to keep some horrible secret but, if I can't prove that $50k changed hands, it would just be my word. However, if I took $50k from you, then I could hold up a bank transfer and say, "I was paid this $50k for my silence," and -- while it may not have been why I was paid the money -- I could at least prove that money changed hands and it would raise the question, "If not for this, why was the money given?"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheCyborgNinja 10/15/17 1:17:20 AM #16:	I always just assumed half of the people in the entertainment industry were sexually harassing the other half. --- "message parlor" ? do you mean the post office ? - SlayerX888 <cite>TheCyborgNinja posted [p:888456924] in Weinstein-... [t:75879780]...</cite> <quote>I always just assumed half of the people in the entertainment industry were sexually harassing the other half.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nade Duck 10/15/17 1:30:44 AM #17:	9/10 i fucking love ham, one of my favorite meats. but doesn't quite get up there with turkey or steak, though. --- http://i.imgur.com/ElACjJD.gifv <cite>Nade Duck posted [p:888457501] in Weinstein-... [t:75879780]...</cite> <quote>9/10 i fucking love ham, one of my favorite meats. but doesn't quite get up there with turkey or steak, though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 10/15/17 1:37:14 AM #18:	Nade Duck posted... 9/10 i fucking love ham, one of my favorite meats. but doesn't quite get up there with turkey or steak, though. Appreciate you --- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mead "I'm Mary Poppins ya'll!" <cite>Mead posted [p:888457805] in Weinstein-... [t:75879780]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nade Duck posted...</cite> <quote>9/10 i fucking love ham, one of my favorite meats. but doesn't quite get up there with turkey or steak, though.</quote> Appreciate you</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 10/15/17 1:37:56 AM #19:	TheCyborgNinja posted... I always just assumed half of the people in the entertainment industry were sexually harassing the other half. tbh, I also expected that it's full of people lacking in anything resembling virtue. Nade Duck posted... 9/10 i fucking love ham, one of my favorite meats. but doesn't quite get up there with turkey or steak, though. Huh. Nice to know. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash <cite>Zeus posted [p:888457827] in Weinstein-... [t:75879780]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheCyborgNinja posted...</cite> <quote>I always just assumed half of the people in the entertainment industry were sexually harassing the other half.</quote> tbh, I also expected that it's full of people lacking in anything resembling virtue. <cite>Nade Duck posted...</cite> <quote>9/10 i fucking love ham, one of my favorite meats. but doesn't quite get up there with turkey or steak, though.</quote> Huh. Nice to know.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
helIy 10/15/17 2:01:59 AM #20:	Zeus posted... helIy posted... Zeus posted... Otherwise, given that he didn't take the money, there's really no proof to his story. because he was offered hush money means... there isn't proof? the mere fact money was offered means it happened. Because literally all we have now is his word that money was offered. I could say that you offered me $50k to keep some horrible secret but, if I can't prove that $50k changed hands, it would just be my word. However, if I took $50k from you, then I could hold up a bank transfer and say, "I was paid this $50k for my silence," and -- while it may not have been why I was paid the money -- I could at least prove that money changed hands and it would raise the question, "If not for this, why was the money given?" --- depressed again morning comes too fast and i'm tired of the routine <cite>helIy posted [p:888458766] in Weinstein-... [t:75879780]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>helIy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote> Otherwise, given that he didn't take the money, there's really no proof to his story.</quote> because he was offered hush money means... there isn't proof? the mere fact money was offered means it happened.</quote> Because literally all we have now is his word that money was offered. I could say that you offered me $50k to keep some horrible secret but, if I can't prove that $50k changed hands, it would just be my word. However, if I took $50k from you, then I could hold up a bank transfer and say, "I was paid this $50k for my silence," and -- while it may not have been why I was paid the money -- I could at least prove that money changed hands and it would raise the question, "If not for this, why was the money given?"</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 10/15/17 2:08:01 AM #21:	helIy posted... Zeus posted... helIy posted... Zeus posted... Otherwise, given that he didn't take the money, there's really no proof to his story. because he was offered hush money means... there isn't proof? the mere fact money was offered means it happened. Because literally all we have now is his word that money was offered. I could say that you offered me $50k to keep some horrible secret but, if I can't prove that $50k changed hands, it would just be my word. However, if I took $50k from you, then I could hold up a bank transfer and say, "I was paid this $50k for my silence," and -- while it may not have been why I was paid the money -- I could at least prove that money changed hands and it would raise the question, "If not for this, why was the money given?" --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash <cite>Zeus posted [p:888458994] in Weinstein-... [t:75879780]...</cite> <quote><cite>helIy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>helIy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote> Otherwise, given that he didn't take the money, there's really no proof to his story.</quote> because he was offered hush money means... there isn't proof? the mere fact money was offered means it happened.</quote> Because literally all we have now is his word that money was offered. I could say that you offered me $50k to keep some horrible secret but, if I can't prove that $50k changed hands, it would just be my word. However, if I took $50k from you, then I could hold up a bank transfer and say, "I was paid this $50k for my silence," and -- while it may not have been why I was paid the money -- I could at least prove that money changed hands and it would raise the question, "If not for this, why was the money given?"</quote> </quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Golden Road 10/15/17 2:17:43 AM #22:	WastelandCowboy posted... Golden Road posted... WastelandCowboy posted... It's unfortunate this happened, but honestly, this isn't going to stop me from buying and playing Naughty Dog games. Why are you telling us this? Because I'm under no obligation or deal not to? You misunderstand my question. I wasn't asking why this wasn't going to stop you from buying and playing Naughty Dog games. I was asking why you felt a need to tell us. --- Who's your favorite character from "Bend It Like Beckham"? And you can't say Beckham. <cite>Golden Road posted [p:888459330] in Weinstein-... [t:75879780]...</cite> <quote><cite>WastelandCowboy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Golden Road posted...</cite> <quote><cite>WastelandCowboy posted...</cite> <quote>It's unfortunate this happened, but honestly, this isn't going to stop me from buying and playing Naughty Dog games.</quote> Why are you telling us this?</quote> Because I'm under no obligation or deal not to?</quote> You misunderstand my question. I wasn't asking why this wasn't going to stop you from buying and playing Naughty Dog games. I was asking why you felt a need to tell us.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WastelandCowboy 10/15/17 9:35:05 AM #23:	Golden Road posted... WastelandCowboy posted... Golden Road posted... WastelandCowboy posted... It's unfortunate this happened, but honestly, this isn't going to stop me from buying and playing Naughty Dog games. Why are you telling us this? Because I'm under no obligation or deal not to? You misunderstand my question. I wasn't asking why this wasn't going to stop you from buying and playing Naughty Dog games. I was asking why you felt a need to tell us. Because I can? <cite>WastelandCowboy posted [p:888468912] in Weinstein-... [t:75879780]...</cite> <quote><cite>Golden Road posted...</cite> <quote><cite>WastelandCowboy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Golden Road posted...</cite> <quote><cite>WastelandCowboy posted...</cite> <quote>It's unfortunate this happened, but honestly, this isn't going to stop me from buying and playing Naughty Dog games.</quote> Why are you telling us this?</quote> Because I'm under no obligation or deal not to?</quote> You misunderstand my question. I wasn't asking why this wasn't going to stop you from buying and playing Naughty Dog games. I was asking why you felt a need to tell us.</quote> Because I can?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
helIy 10/15/17 11:53:46 AM #24:	no zeus I know it to be completely wrong. he was offered hush money, you only offer hush money if you want them to not talk about something. of course they're not going to confirm they offered him hush money, because that's how it works. just stop. --- depressed again morning comes too fast and i'm tired of the routine <cite>helIy posted [p:888474206] in Weinstein-... [t:75879780]...</cite> <quote>no zeus I know it to be completely wrong. he was offered hush money, you only offer hush money if you want them to not talk about something. of course they're not going to confirm they offered him hush money, because that's how it works. just stop.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 10/15/17 12:03:32 PM #25:	Kyuubi4269 posted... particularly when this employee can't find work after the incident, implying they were fired because they're not very good. Or that the people that fired him because he spoke out about the harassment badmouthed him to other developers, thereby preventing him from getting work and further discrediting him. You can't really conclude that he's incompetent from the information given. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:888474655] in Weinstein-... [t:75879780]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>particularly when this employee can't find work after the incident, implying they were fired because they're not very good.</quote> Or that the people that fired him because he spoke out about the harassment badmouthed him to other developers, thereby preventing him from getting work and further discrediting him. You can't really conclude that he's incompetent from the information given.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 10/15/17 12:17:16 PM #26:	adjl posted... Kyuubi4269 posted... particularly when this employee can't find work after the incident, implying they were fired because they're not very good. Or that the people that fired him because he spoke out about the harassment badmouthed him to other developers, thereby preventing him from getting work and further discrediting him. You can't really conclude that he's incompetent from the information given. He took 18 months to realise he was being badmouthed by a group he said he'd slag off by not taking their money? --- RIP_Supa posted... I've seen some stuff <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:888475325] in Weinstein-... [t:75879780]...</cite> <quote><cite>adjl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>particularly when this employee can't find work after the incident, implying they were fired because they're not very good.</quote> Or that the people that fired him because he spoke out about the harassment badmouthed him to other developers, thereby preventing him from getting work and further discrediting him. You can't really conclude that he's incompetent from the information given.</quote> He took 18 months to realise he was being badmouthed by a group he said he'd slag off by not taking their money?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Golden Road 10/15/17 12:38:32 PM #27:	WastelandCowboy posted... Golden Road posted... You misunderstand my question. I wasn't asking why this wasn't going to stop you from buying and playing Naughty Dog games. I was asking why you felt a need to tell us. Because I can? Well, yeah, you can, but that's not telling us why. Because whenever someone does this, it comes across as trying to justify why you're going to still enjoy insert bad thing here. Except none of us would have ever known whether or not you were buying and playing Naughty Dog games, so are you trying to justify this choice to us, or justify it to yourself? --- Who's your favorite character from "Bend It Like Beckham"? And you can't say Beckham. <cite>Golden Road posted [p:888476275] in Weinstein-... [t:75879780]...</cite> <quote><cite>WastelandCowboy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Golden Road posted...</cite> <quote>You misunderstand my question. I wasn't asking why this wasn't going to stop you from buying and playing Naughty Dog games. I was asking why you felt a need to tell us.</quote> Because I can?</quote> Well, yeah, you can, but that's not telling us why. Because whenever someone does this, it comes across as trying to justify why you're going to still enjoy insert bad thing here. Except none of us would have ever known whether or not you were buying and playing Naughty Dog games, so are you trying to justify this choice to us, or justify it to yourself?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mooreandrew58 10/15/17 2:52:25 PM #28:	helIy posted... no zeus I know it to be completely wrong. he was offered hush money, you only offer hush money if you want them to not talk about something. of course they're not going to confirm they offered him hush money, because that's how it works. just stop. can they confirm it never happened though. I mean if I went to the media and told them my boss sexually harassed me and offered me money to keep silent, i'd be lying but you'd apparently believe me by the logic you are going by. people lie about things. rather it be for attention or to get back at someone. not saying its the case here but without concrete evidence for either side sitting in front of me, I wouldn't know who to believe --- Cid- "looks like that overgrown lobster just got served!" Bartz-"with cheese biscuts AND mashed potatoes!" <cite>mooreandrew58 posted [p:888483428] in Weinstein-... [t:75879780]...</cite> <quote><cite>helIy posted...</cite> <quote>no zeus I know it to be completely wrong. he was offered hush money, you only offer hush money if you want them to not talk about something. of course they're not going to confirm they offered him hush money, because that's how it works. just stop.</quote> can they confirm it never happened though. I mean if I went to the media and told them my boss sexually harassed me and offered me money to keep silent, i'd be lying but you'd apparently believe me by the logic you are going by. people lie about things. rather it be for attention or to get back at someone. not saying its the case here but without concrete evidence for either side sitting in front of me, I wouldn't know who to believe</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 10/15/17 3:12:46 PM #29:	Kyuubi4269 posted... adjl posted... Kyuubi4269 posted... particularly when this employee can't find work after the incident, implying they were fired because they're not very good. Or that the people that fired him because he spoke out about the harassment badmouthed him to other developers, thereby preventing him from getting work and further discrediting him. You can't really conclude that he's incompetent from the information given. He took 18 months to realise he was being badmouthed by a group he said he'd slag off by not taking their money? He took 18 months to go public with his allegations. He's probably had suspicions that the reason he was having trouble finding employment was that Naughty Dog wasn't speaking too highly of him after the incident, but that's not the reason he's going public with the allegations. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:888484564] in Weinstein-... [t:75879780]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>adjl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>particularly when this employee can't find work after the incident, implying they were fired because they're not very good.</quote> Or that the people that fired him because he spoke out about the harassment badmouthed him to other developers, thereby preventing him from getting work and further discrediting him. You can't really conclude that he's incompetent from the information given.</quote> He took 18 months to realise he was being badmouthed by a group he said he'd slag off by not taking their money?</quote> He took 18 months to go public with his allegations. He's probably had suspicions that the reason he was having trouble finding employment was that Naughty Dog wasn't speaking too highly of him after the incident, but that's not the reason he's going public with the allegations.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WastelandCowboy 10/15/17 3:22:03 PM #30:	Golden Road posted... WastelandCowboy posted... Golden Road posted... You misunderstand my question. I wasn't asking why this wasn't going to stop you from buying and playing Naughty Dog games. I was asking why you felt a need to tell us. Because I can? Well, yeah, you can, but that's not telling us why. Because whenever someone does this, it comes across as trying to justify why you're going to still enjoy insert bad thing here. Except none of us would have ever known whether or not you were buying and playing Naughty Dog games, so are you trying to justify this choice to us, or justify it to yourself? Why do you care so much about this decision of mine? I'm not going to boycott Naughty Dog or Sony because of the actions mentioned. We don't know the whole story - we only know one side. And even if we did know the whole story, then what? Would this change anything? No, it'd just be another mess of he-said she-said mudslinging bullpucky. Shit happens. We live in a cutthroat world that will never see the day when nobody is molested, raped, assaulted, murdered, etc. The only thing we can do is encourage people to come out about it without threat of action against. <cite>WastelandCowboy posted [p:888485092] in Weinstein-... [t:75879780]...</cite> <quote><cite>Golden Road posted...</cite> <quote><cite>WastelandCowboy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Golden Road posted...</cite> <quote>You misunderstand my question. I wasn't asking why this wasn't going to stop you from buying and playing Naughty Dog games. I was asking why you felt a need to tell us.</quote> Because I can?</quote> Well, yeah, you can, but that's not telling us why. Because whenever someone does this, it comes across as trying to justify why you're going to still enjoy insert bad thing here. Except none of us would have ever known whether or not you were buying and playing Naughty Dog games, so are you trying to justify this choice to us, or justify it to yourself?</quote> Why do you care so much about this decision of mine? I'm not going to boycott Naughty Dog or Sony because of the actions mentioned. We don't know the whole story - we only know one side. And even if we did know the whole story, then what? Would this change anything? No, it'd just be another mess of he-said she-said mudslinging bullpucky. Shit happens. We live in a cutthroat world that will never see the day when nobody is molested, raped, assaulted, murdered, etc. The only thing we can do is encourage people to come out about it without threat of action against.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 10/15/17 3:24:03 PM #31:	helIy posted... no zeus I know it to be completely wrong. he was offered hush money, you only offer hush money if you want them to not talk about something. of course they're not going to confirm they offered him hush money, because that's how it works. just stop. And you know he was actually offered hush money based on what, exactly? adjl posted... Kyuubi4269 posted... adjl posted... Kyuubi4269 posted... particularly when this employee can't find work after the incident, implying they were fired because they're not very good. Or that the people that fired him because he spoke out about the harassment badmouthed him to other developers, thereby preventing him from getting work and further discrediting him. You can't really conclude that he's incompetent from the information given. He took 18 months to realise he was being badmouthed by a group he said he'd slag off by not taking their money? He took 18 months to go public with his allegations. He's probably had suspicions that the reason he was having trouble finding employment was that Naughty Dog wasn't speaking too highly of him after the incident, but that's not the reason he's going public with the allegations. Or he's had a hard time finding work for whatever reason and, because of political opportunism, made up this story to justify his difficulties and engender sympathy. If Naughty Dog was truly badmouthing his professionalism or the quality of his work, this allows him to undercut their claims by suggesting that the allegations are motivated by something other than legitimate issues with his performance. And, given that all we have is his word, it's a little difficult to say one way or the other what could be true given that both companies and individuals make up shit to save face. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash <cite>Zeus posted [p:888485221] in Weinstein-... [t:75879780]...</cite> <quote><cite>helIy posted...</cite> <quote>no zeus I know it to be completely wrong. he was offered hush money, you only offer hush money if you want them to not talk about something. of course they're not going to confirm they offered him hush money, because that's how it works. just stop.</quote> And you know he was actually offered hush money based on what, exactly? <cite>adjl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>adjl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>particularly when this employee can't find work after the incident, implying they were fired because they're not very good.</quote> Or that the people that fired him because he spoke out about the harassment badmouthed him to other developers, thereby preventing him from getting work and further discrediting him. You can't really conclude that he's incompetent from the information given.</quote> He took 18 months to realise he was being badmouthed by a group he said he'd slag off by not taking their money?</quote> He took 18 months to go public with his allegations. He's probably had suspicions that the reason he was having trouble finding employment was that Naughty Dog wasn't speaking too highly of him after the incident, but that's not the reason he's going public with the allegations.</quote> Or he's had a hard time finding work for whatever reason and, because of political opportunism, made up this story to justify his difficulties and engender sympathy. If Naughty Dog was truly badmouthing his professionalism or the quality of his work, this allows him to undercut their claims by suggesting that the allegations are motivated by something other than legitimate issues with his performance. And, given that all we have is his word, it's a little difficult to say one way or the other what could be true given that both companies and individuals make up shit to save face.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 10/15/17 3:31:22 PM #32:	Zeus posted... Or he's had a hard time finding work for whatever reason and, because of political opportunism, made up this story to justify his difficulties and engender sympathy. If Naughty Dog was truly badmouthing his professionalism or the quality of his work, this allows him to undercut their claims by suggesting that the allegations are motivated by something other than legitimate issues with his performance. And, given that all we have is his word, it's a little difficult to say one way or the other what could be true given that both companies and individuals make up s* to save face. Which sounds to me like it's investigation time! Nice public one, where nobody gets to hide behind their money. That'd be nice. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:888485644] in Weinstein-... [t:75879780]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>Or he's had a hard time finding work for whatever reason and, because of political opportunism, made up this story to justify his difficulties and engender sympathy. If Naughty Dog was truly badmouthing his professionalism or the quality of his work, this allows him to undercut their claims by suggesting that the allegations are motivated by something other than legitimate issues with his performance. And, given that all we have is his word, it's a little difficult to say one way or the other what could be true given that both companies and individuals make up s* to save face.</quote> Which sounds to me like it's investigation time! Nice public one, where nobody gets to hide behind their money. That'd be nice.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 10/15/17 4:29:46 PM #33:	adjl posted... Zeus posted... Or he's had a hard time finding work for whatever reason and, because of political opportunism, made up this story to justify his difficulties and engender sympathy. If Naughty Dog was truly badmouthing his professionalism or the quality of his work, this allows him to undercut their claims by suggesting that the allegations are motivated by something other than legitimate issues with his performance. And, given that all we have is his word, it's a little difficult to say one way or the other what could be true given that both companies and individuals make up s*** to save face. Which sounds to me like it's investigation time! Nice public one, where nobody gets to hide behind their money. That'd be nice. The only problem there is who conducts and pays for the investigation? If it's an internal investigation, it's likely that they already ran one plus that wouldn't satisfy the cover-up crowd. For an external, it'd be an expensive and invasive process. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash <cite>Zeus posted [p:888489335] in Weinstein-... [t:75879780]...</cite> <quote><cite>adjl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>Or he's had a hard time finding work for whatever reason and, because of political opportunism, made up this story to justify his difficulties and engender sympathy. If Naughty Dog was truly badmouthing his professionalism or the quality of his work, this allows him to undercut their claims by suggesting that the allegations are motivated by something other than legitimate issues with his performance. And, given that all we have is his word, it's a little difficult to say one way or the other what could be true given that both companies and individuals make up s*** to save face.</quote> Which sounds to me like it's investigation time! Nice public one, where nobody gets to hide behind their money. That'd be nice.</quote> The only problem there is who conducts and pays for the investigation? If it's an internal investigation, it's likely that they already ran one plus that wouldn't satisfy the cover-up crowd. For an external, it'd be an expensive and invasive process.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
helIy 10/15/17 4:43:24 PM #34:	Zeus posted... And you know he was actually offered hush money based on what, exactly? and you know he wasn't offered hush money based on what, exactly? --- depressed again morning comes too fast and i'm tired of the routine <cite>helIy posted [p:888490102] in Weinstein-... [t:75879780]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>And you know he was actually offered hush money based on what, exactly? </quote> and you know he wasn't offered hush money based on what, exactly?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Golden Road 10/15/17 8:39:51 PM #35:	WastelandCowboy posted... Why do you care so much about this decision of mine? I'm not going to boycott Naughty Dog or Sony because of the actions mentioned. We don't know the whole story - we only know one side. And even if we did know the whole story, then what? Would this change anything? No, it'd just be another mess of he-said she-said mudslinging bullpucky. Shit happens. We live in a cutthroat world that will never see the day when nobody is molested, raped, assaulted, murdered, etc. The only thing we can do is encourage people to come out about it without threat of action against. All I'm hearing is "I'm desperately trying to justify to myself how I can continue to buy Naughty Dog games and still be a good person." That you think I care about your decision shows how much you don't understand what I'm saying. I don't care about your decision. I care about you telling us about your decision. It's annoying whenever anyone goes on about something like this, like they're expecting other people to absolve them, or something, give them a pat on the back and tell them that they're still a good person or something. This happens a lot. You're not special. --- Who's your favorite character from "Bend It Like Beckham"? And you can't say Beckham. <cite>Golden Road posted [p:888503155] in Weinstein-... [t:75879780]...</cite> <quote><cite>WastelandCowboy posted...</cite> <quote>Why do you care so much about this decision of mine? I'm not going to boycott Naughty Dog or Sony because of the actions mentioned. We don't know the whole story - we only know one side. And even if we did know the whole story, then what? Would this change anything? No, it'd just be another mess of he-said she-said mudslinging bullpucky. Shit happens. We live in a cutthroat world that will never see the day when nobody is molested, raped, assaulted, murdered, etc. The only thing we can do is encourage people to come out about it without threat of action against.</quote> All I'm hearing is "I'm desperately trying to justify to myself how I can continue to buy Naughty Dog games and still be a good person." That you think I care about your decision shows how much you don't understand what I'm saying. I don't care about your decision. I care about you telling us about your decision. It's annoying whenever anyone goes on about something like this, like they're expecting other people to absolve them, or something, give them a pat on the back and tell them that they're still a good person or something. This happens a lot. You're not special.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WastelandCowboy 10/15/17 9:48:14 PM #36:	https://www.naughtydog.com/blog/an_important_statement_from_naughty_dog We have recently read on social media that an ex-employee of Naughty Dog, Dave Ballard, claims he was sexually harassed when he worked at Naughty Dog. We have not found any evidence of having received allegations from Mr. Ballard that he was harassed in any way at Naughty Dog or Sony Interactive Entertainment. Harassment and inappropriate conduct have no place at Naughty Dog and Sony Interactive Entertainment. We have taken and always will take reports of sexual harassment and other workplace grievances very seriously. We value every single person who works at Naughty Dog and Sony interactive Entertainment. It is of utmost importance to us that we maintain a safe, productive workplace environment that allows us all to channel our shared passion for making games. <cite>WastelandCowboy posted [p:888506824] in Weinstein-... [t:75879780]...</cite> <quote>https://www.naughtydog.com/blog/an_important_statement_from_naughty_dog <quote>We have recently read on social media that an ex-employee of Naughty Dog, Dave Ballard, claims he was sexually harassed when he worked at Naughty Dog. We have not found any evidence of having received allegations from Mr. Ballard that he was harassed in any way at Naughty Dog or Sony Interactive Entertainment. Harassment and inappropriate conduct have no place at Naughty Dog and Sony Interactive Entertainment. We have taken and always will take reports of sexual harassment and other workplace grievances very seriously. We value every single person who works at Naughty Dog and Sony interactive Entertainment. It is of utmost importance to us that we maintain a safe, productive workplace environment that allows us all to channel our shared passion for making games.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WastelandCowboy 10/15/17 9:48:56 PM #37:	Golden Road posted... You're not special. I am aware of this. Thanks. <cite>WastelandCowboy posted [p:888506865] in Weinstein-... [t:75879780]...</cite> <quote><cite>Golden Road posted...</cite> <quote>You're not special.</quote> I am aware of this. Thanks.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 10/15/17 9:55:37 PM #38:	helIy posted... Zeus posted... And you know he was actually offered hush money based on what, exactly? and you know he wasn't offered hush money based on what, exactly? And you know it wasn't GOD based on what, exactly? You are at burden of proof, you are trying to say something happened. --- RIP_Supa posted... I've seen some stuff <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:888507246] in Weinstein-... [t:75879780]...</cite> <quote><cite>helIy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>And you know he was actually offered hush money based on what, exactly? </quote> and you know he wasn't offered hush money based on what, exactly?</quote> And you know it wasn't GOD based on what, exactly? You are at burden of proof, you are trying to say something happened.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nade Duck 10/15/17 9:56:47 PM #39:	WastelandCowboy posted... Golden Road posted... You're not special. I am aware of this. Thanks. yeah but we need to keep reminding you because you are white and male, okay? --- http://i.imgur.com/ElACjJD.gifv <cite>Nade Duck posted [p:888507304] in Weinstein-... [t:75879780]...</cite> <quote><cite>WastelandCowboy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Golden Road posted...</cite> <quote>You're not special.</quote> I am aware of this. Thanks.</quote> yeah but we need to keep reminding you because you are white and male, okay?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WastelandCowboy 10/15/17 10:05:39 PM #40:	Nade Duck posted... WastelandCowboy posted... Golden Road posted... You're not special. I am aware of this. Thanks. yeah but we need to keep reminding you because you are white and male, okay? Woah woah woah what the hell dude. Why are you assuming my skin color and gender? <cite>WastelandCowboy posted [p:888507763] in Weinstein-... [t:75879780]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nade Duck posted...</cite> <quote><cite>WastelandCowboy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Golden Road posted...</cite> <quote>You're not special.</quote> I am aware of this. Thanks.</quote> yeah but we need to keep reminding you because you are white and male, okay?</quote> Woah woah woah what the hell dude. Why are you assuming my skin color and gender?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FourthDimension 10/15/17 10:19:09 PM #41:	He didn't even give a name :/ <cite>FourthDimension posted [p:888508476] in Weinstein-... [t:75879780]...</cite> <quote>He didn't even give a name :/</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nade Duck 10/16/17 2:40:07 PM #42:	WastelandCowboy posted... Nade Duck posted... WastelandCowboy posted... Golden Road posted... You're not special. I am aware of this. Thanks. yeah but we need to keep reminding you because you are white and male, okay? Woah woah woah what the hell dude. Why are you assuming my skin color and gender? because this is the internet and everyone is always white and male here. unless you have a tumblr account in which case my bad. --- http://i.imgur.com/ElACjJD.gifv <cite>Nade Duck posted [p:888545726] in Weinstein-... [t:75879780]...</cite> <quote><cite>WastelandCowboy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nade Duck posted...</cite> <quote><cite>WastelandCowboy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Golden Road posted...</cite> <quote>You're not special.</quote> I am aware of this. Thanks.</quote> yeah but we need to keep reminding you because you are white and male, okay?</quote> Woah woah woah what the hell dude. Why are you assuming my skin color and gender?</quote> because this is the internet and everyone is always white and male here. unless you have a tumblr account in which case my bad.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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