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Jakyl25
09/30/17 9:10:52 PM
#402:


MenuWars posted...
BowserCuffs posted...
MenuWars posted...
Yes, but despite appearances he's clearly not/wasn't an absolute buffoon. I can't put my finger on what it is, but somethings fishy about all this. Or this is the most extreme case of narcissism I've ever seen.


Could you elaborate, please?


I mean the guys been in business and the public limelight for a long time and even during his campaign knows how to pull in the crowds, so unless he's had some sort of mental breakdown or gone full on narcissist since winning, his continually worsening behaviour strikes me as odd. Like he's self sabotaging, and I can only assume that's because either the above has happened or there's a reason he wants to get impeached. He's got enough money and staff to have his ass covered enough to not end up in these situations yet instead of reigning it in, it gets worse?

As I said I can't put my finger on it, but it sure as shit doesn't add up.


Is it really "getting worse" though? Or is he just getting more opportunities to be himself?

Remember his campaign remarks about John McCain, or about the Khan family. Remarks that, IMO, are in the same realm of disgusting as what he's doing now.
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Corrik
09/30/17 9:11:40 PM
#403:


Since no one cared for the link...

Earlier in the week, Department of Homeland Security spokesman David Lapan explained the Trump administration's decision to not waive the rule like so to the The Wall Street Journal: "Based on consultation with other Federal agencies, DHS's current assessment is that there is sufficient numbers of U.S.-flagged vessels to move commodities to Puerto Rico."

The Journal further reported:

Mr. Lapan wrote that the waiver was needed in Florida and Texas because the loss of oil refineries and the shutdown of the primary pipeline to move refined fuel to the East Coast and Southeast increased demand for vessels. In Puerto Rico, the need is different.

"The fuel supply challenges facing Puerto Rico are not a function of the lack of fuel being shipped to the island, but caused by the devastation to Puerto Rico's transportation networks that have prevented fuel from being transported on the island to all of the places that need it," Mr. Lapan wrote.

Any chance Trump was advised not to lift it? Has FEMA / others flying in to help with the situation. He is being criticized over an Act he waived twice to prior hurricanes but was maybe advised was unnecessary to waive this time per se. And that he as usual is ising his incredibly poor timing / wording for saying what he thinks, wants, feels, etc?

Like is the Act itself the issue? Maybe? I don't know. But what if he was advised it was unnecessary to waive?
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MenuWars
09/30/17 9:12:48 PM
#404:


Jakyl25 posted...
MenuWars posted...
BowserCuffs posted...
MenuWars posted...
Yes, but despite appearances he's clearly not/wasn't an absolute buffoon. I can't put my finger on what it is, but somethings fishy about all this. Or this is the most extreme case of narcissism I've ever seen.


Could you elaborate, please?


I mean the guys been in business and the public limelight for a long time and even during his campaign knows how to pull in the crowds, so unless he's had some sort of mental breakdown or gone full on narcissist since winning, his continually worsening behaviour strikes me as odd. Like he's self sabotaging, and I can only assume that's because either the above has happened or there's a reason he wants to get impeached. He's got enough money and staff to have his ass covered enough to not end up in these situations yet instead of reigning it in, it gets worse?

As I said I can't put my finger on it, but it sure as shit doesn't add up.


Is it really "getting worse" though? Or is he just getting more opportunities to be himself?

Remember his campaign remarks about John McCain, or about the Khan family. Remarks that, IMO, are in the same realm of disgusting as what he's doing now.


Hmmmm good question.
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Corrik
09/30/17 9:13:35 PM
#405:


Jakyl25 posted...
Corrik posted...
How many of you can say you do not go into the situation looking to find an issue to complain about?


We generally don't have to look very hard though. Trump sends a lot of them straight to us on Twitter

There is many times you have asserted jokes or sarcasm as direct quotes though, if I remember correctly?
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StealThisSheen
09/30/17 9:15:33 PM
#406:


Corrik posted...

Like is the Act itself the issue? Maybe? I don't know. But what if he was advised it was unnecessary to waive?


Regardless, I think even you can agree that his tweets (from a golf course) that do things like insult the mayor and tell the Puerto Rican people to not watch fake news (which suggests he may not even be aware they have no power...?) shows he at the least doesn't really care about the situation at all beyond how it personally makes him look, and maybe doesn't even care to learn what's going on.
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StealThisSheen
09/30/17 9:16:46 PM
#407:


Corrik posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Corrik posted...
How many of you can say you do not go into the situation looking to find an issue to complain about?


We generally don't have to look very hard though. Trump sends a lot of them straight to us on Twitter

There is many times you have asserted jokes or sarcasm as direct quotes though, if I remember correctly?


Did he assert jokes or sarcasm as direct quotes, or did you just personally deem some quotes as "obviously a joke?"
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BowserCuffs
09/30/17 9:17:09 PM
#408:


I think Trump's either going senile or all the hard drugs he's likely done (and let's not even pretend that rich people don't do drugs) are catching up to him.

Or both.
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Jakyl25
09/30/17 9:18:33 PM
#409:


Corrik posted...
Like is the Act itself the issue? Maybe? I don't know. But what if he was advised it was unnecessary to waive?


He was advised not to waive it. The initial outrage about it was somewhat overblown, because there ARE more disaster relief supplies there than there is enough manpower to distribute it.

There's still probably not enough, and waiving the Jones act can help get more there, but it's not the immediate issue
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Jakyl25
09/30/17 9:20:26 PM
#410:


BowserCuffs posted...
I think Trump's either going senile or all the hard drugs he's likely done (and let's not even pretend that rich people don't do drugs) are catching up to him.

Or both.


I don't see many signs of senility

I just see, and have always seen, every possible sign of NPD that a human could possibly exhibit.
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Corrik
09/30/17 9:20:31 PM
#411:


StealThisSheen posted...
Corrik posted...

Like is the Act itself the issue? Maybe? I don't know. But what if he was advised it was unnecessary to waive?


Regardless, I think even you can agree that his tweets (from a golf course) that do things like insult the mayor and tell the Puerto Rican people to not watch fake news (which suggests he may not even be aware they have no power...?) shows he at the least doesn't really care about the situation at all, and maybe doesn't even care to learn what's going on.

His penchant for bad wording or timing is a common complaint I myself have.

I understand he means "Do not worry. We are doing everything we can and have a lot of resources in route or already there to assist with relief. Do not believe reports to the contrary. We WILL and ARE helping you the best as we can".

^ Now a normal President says something along these lines.

Instead, Trump in his normal way has to be bombastic and make it under 140 characters and goes with shit like... "Tremendous help! Don't listen to #FakeNews!"

Message is entirely lost now.

Or criticizing Puerto Rico's inept local govenment during a crisis. Yeah, you are right. It is inept. However, bad timing!

I feel like 90% of Trumps issue is how he says things and when he says them. He could have easily said what he wanted to regarding the NFL and not caused the controversy he did and had people agree with him.

He has a complete failure with words.... a lot.
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StealThisSheen
09/30/17 9:23:05 PM
#412:


Corrik posted...
He has a complete failure with words.... a lot.


When does it stop being "He's a failure with words" and start being "He only cares about his own image?" Like, what would it take for you?
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Corrik
09/30/17 9:23:22 PM
#413:


Jakyl25 posted...
Corrik posted...
Like is the Act itself the issue? Maybe? I don't know. But what if he was advised it was unnecessary to waive?


He was advised not to waive it. The initial outrage about it was somewhat overblown, because there ARE more disaster relief supplies there than there is enough manpower to distribute it.

There's still probably not enough, and waiving the Jones act can help get more there, but it's not the immediate issue

Then why is the Act the rallying call of people. You had someone in this topic itself say... "if a firefighter lets a building burn for 5 hours before trying to help it should I praise him" loosely.

The fact is the Act itself was used as a major rallying call to the point that I had to actually look up why it would be because the entire reason it was said to be pre-emptively waived in the earlier ones was lack of fuel.
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Jakyl25
09/30/17 9:24:05 PM
#414:


If you have narcissistic personality disorder, you may come across as conceited, boastful or pretentious. You often monopolize conversations. You may belittle or look down on people you perceive as inferior. You may feel a sense of entitlement and when you don't receive special treatment, you may become impatient or angry. You may insist on having "the best" of everything for instance, the best car, athletic club or medical care.

At the same time, you have trouble handling anything that may be perceived as criticism. You may have secret feelings of insecurity, shame, vulnerability and humiliation. To feel better, you may react with rage or contempt and try to belittle the other person to make yourself appear superior.


Nah this doesn't sound like him at all
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Jakyl25
09/30/17 9:26:29 PM
#415:


Corrik posted...
Then why is the Act the rallying call of people. You had someone in this topic itself say... "if a firefighter lets a building burn for 5 hours before trying to help it should I praise him" loosely.

The fact is the Act itself was used as a major rallying call to the point that I had to actually look up why it would be because the entire reason it was said to be pre-emptively waived in the earlier ones was lack of fuel.


I blame John McCain, who immediately went on blast about it not being waived, and as you may have noticed is getting a lot of attention lately

I mean, Trump STILL should have waived it ASAP because why even put that limitation on sending help?
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Jakyl25
09/30/17 9:27:39 PM
#416:


Corrik posted...
You had someone in this topic itself say... "if a firefighter lets a building burn for 5 hours before trying to help it should I praise him" loosely.


Also that applies to more than just the Jones Act
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Jakyl25
09/30/17 9:31:54 PM
#417:


StealThisSheen posted...
Corrik posted...
He has a complete failure with words.... a lot.


When does it stop being "He's a failure with words" and start being "He only cares about his own image?" Like, what would it take for you?


When the man derisively spouts out "They want everything done for them" about a whole area of people that are in no position to help themselves, that goes beyond bad wording IMO.

He clearly feels offended that they're begging for more help than he has deemed them worthy of receiving.
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Dancedreamer
09/30/17 9:34:44 PM
#418:


Bad timing is when it rains on your wedding day.

Criticizing a mayor who's in the midst of a hurricane crisis isn't bad timing. It's bad taste. Plain and simple.
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Jakyl25
09/30/17 9:41:17 PM
#419:


The shitty thing though is that he's fed these criticisms

Sure he gets pissed at Mayor Cruz all on his own, but he's not the one coming up with "CNN is coaching her on what to say to further their agenda against you."

That's an idea that comes from opportunistic advisors, who get it from top alt-right voices, who get it from Russian sockpuppet accounts

The pipeline being so efficient is pretty scary.
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UltiXX
09/30/17 9:58:39 PM
#420:


Jakyl25 posted...
That's an idea that comes from opportunistic advisors, who get it from top alt-right voices, who get it from Russian sockpuppet accounts.

It's embarrassing that liberals actually believe such stupid bullshit, but at least they're actually out in the open about how dumb they are these days.

The 63 million Trump voters totally voted that way because Russia told them to. This is what liberals tell themselves because they're too immature to ever admit being wrong.

Protip for parents: This is why you don't give trophies to kids just for showing up. They grow up into a Jak or a Harrich.
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SJW_Cultist
09/30/17 10:30:26 PM
#421:


UltiXX posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
That's an idea that comes from opportunistic advisors, who get it from top alt-right voices, who get it from Russian sockpuppet accounts.

It's embarrassing that liberals actually believe such stupid bullshit, but at least they're actually out in the open about how dumb they are these days.

The 63 million Trump voters totally voted that way because Russia told them to. This is what liberals tell themselves because they're too immature to ever admit being wrong.

Protip for parents: This is why you don't give trophies to kids just for showing up. They grow up into a Jak or a Harrich.

i *am* a liberal and i can't even fully disagree with this

we don't have the fox news tea party machine, if we try to act angry like them then we just lose elections from now on because we're a lot smarter than uneducated alt right voters

basically if we don't find a smarter way to protest we're screwed
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Jakyl25
09/30/17 10:33:12 PM
#422:


I literally told you what Trump's next point of attack would be days before he used it because I'm tuned into the pipeline, but whatevs
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TheRock1525
09/30/17 10:34:39 PM
#423:


SJW_Cultist posted...
UltiXX posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
That's an idea that comes from opportunistic advisors, who get it from top alt-right voices, who get it from Russian sockpuppet accounts.

It's embarrassing that liberals actually believe such stupid bullshit, but at least they're actually out in the open about how dumb they are these days.

The 63 million Trump voters totally voted that way because Russia told them to. This is what liberals tell themselves because they're too immature to ever admit being wrong.

Protip for parents: This is why you don't give trophies to kids just for showing up. They grow up into a Jak or a Harrich.

i *am* a liberal and i can't even fully disagree with this

we don't have the fox news tea party machine, if we try to act angry like them then we just lose elections from now on because we're a lot smarter than uneducated alt right voters

basically if we don't find a smarter way to protest we're screwed


Are you an Ulti alt?
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TheRock1525
09/30/17 10:35:05 PM
#424:


Jakyl25 posted...
I literally told you what Trump's next point of attack would be days before he used it because I'm tuned into the pipeline, but whatevs


Ahead of the curve, if you will.
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Kenri
09/30/17 10:37:12 PM
#425:


TheRock1525 posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
I literally told you what Trump's next point of attack would be days before he used it because I'm tuned into the pipeline, but whatevs


Ahead of the curve, if you will.

except he was actually right instead of just claiming he was after the fact
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Jakyl25
09/30/17 10:53:10 PM
#426:


And ironically it's gonna get worse now that Bannon's gone

Bannon is not a Russian sockpuppet. He develops his own twisted viewpoints and fed them to Trump on his own. A buffer from the obstinately stupid ideas the Russians feed to people that end up getting signal boosted by chumps like Posobiec and Alex Jones.

Like, Bannon wouldn't come up with something as ridiculous as "CNN is coaching the mayor of San Juan to be their puppet to make Trump look bad" in the middle of a natural disaster where her people are dying because there's not enough manpower.

But which approach is worse, the eye-rolling conspiracy theories that people actually buy, or the more subtle approach to poisoning the discourse against undesirables?
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Jakyl25
09/30/17 11:01:05 PM
#427:


Take a look at Breitbart right now, for example, if you can stomach it. Very little on Trump's feud with Puerto Rico.

A lot more articles designed to turn conservative voters against establishment Republicans in 2018, mixed with dog whistle stuff about blacks and Muslims and migrants to keep the attention and gain the trust of anyone racist enough to be wooed to the alt-right from the regular right.

He knows focusing on issues with disaster relief isn't a winning battle, because people can see the damage very easily and empathize with those in very visual distress.
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kevwaffles
09/30/17 11:10:24 PM
#428:


TheRock1525 posted...
SJW_Cultist posted...
UltiXX posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
That's an idea that comes from opportunistic advisors, who get it from top alt-right voices, who get it from Russian sockpuppet accounts.

It's embarrassing that liberals actually believe such stupid bullshit, but at least they're actually out in the open about how dumb they are these days.

The 63 million Trump voters totally voted that way because Russia told them to. This is what liberals tell themselves because they're too immature to ever admit being wrong.

Protip for parents: This is why you don't give trophies to kids just for showing up. They grow up into a Jak or a Harrich.

i *am* a liberal and i can't even fully disagree with this

we don't have the fox news tea party machine, if we try to act angry like them then we just lose elections from now on because we're a lot smarter than uneducated alt right voters

basically if we don't find a smarter way to protest we're screwed


Are you an Ulti alt?

What, you don't trust that an 18 karma account named SJW_Cultist isn't completely on the level?
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LordoftheMorons
09/30/17 11:10:25 PM
#429:


SNL's back in 20 minutes

https://twitter.com/AlecBaldwin/status/914295412865060864
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Jakyl25
09/30/17 11:11:48 PM
#430:


I'm a Grand Victim in the B8 chapter of the SJW cult and that user is not on our membership rolls
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Jakyl25
09/30/17 11:14:41 PM
#431:


https://twitter.com/andersoncooper/status/914214898674135040

6 first responders have all expressed dismay to me today at lack of organization they have personally experienced. "It's f***** up," was the most common description.

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Jakyl25
09/30/17 11:16:12 PM
#432:


LordoftheMorons posted...
SNL's back in 20 minutes

https://twitter.com/AlecBaldwin/status/914295412865060864


Is one of the rules of being a progressive that we have to pretend Baldwin is actually doing a good Trump impersonation? <_<

I mean it's great because it pisses Trump off but he really didn't deserve that Emmy
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Jakyl25
09/30/17 11:32:21 PM
#433:


https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/914310901855129601

Yes, all those Canadian, Scandinavian, and Russian players are true American patriots as well

EDIT: the video is from last year <_<
https://twitter.com/green_footballs/status/914319923932884994
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CelesMyUserName
09/30/17 11:55:10 PM
#434:


the Fake News president ladies and gentlemen
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MenuWars
10/01/17 12:00:12 AM
#435:


what if you notice your shoe is untied and you notice during the national anthem... do you just have to ignore or you're a terrorist?
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Jakyl25
10/01/17 12:03:06 AM
#436:


I like how even in that video there are people spitting on the ice, looking around, generally not paying attention.

True patriots
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ChaosTonyV4
10/01/17 12:24:55 AM
#437:


Jakyl25 posted...
LordoftheMorons posted...
SNL's back in 20 minutes

https://twitter.com/AlecBaldwin/status/914295412865060864


Is one of the rules of being a progressive that we have to pretend Baldwin is actually doing a good Trump impersonation? <_<

I mean it's great because it pisses Trump off but he really didn't deserve that Emmy


He won an Emmy for it??

This is kind of a tangent, but there's a really tragic article about Darryl Hammon and how he's handling life after SNL, particularly after being replaced as the Donald.
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transience
10/01/17 12:25:54 AM
#438:


I am so tired of Trump impersonations

Colbert, Noah, Baldwin -- comedians just can't resist and it's exhausting
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Suprak the Stud
10/01/17 12:30:11 AM
#439:


Dancedreamer posted...
Speaking of Trump's anti-gay stances:

https://www.advocate.com/politics/2017/9/27/justice-department-argues-antigay-discrimination-skydivers-case

Trump's justice department argues that it's okay to discriminate against gay people.


No, you're mistaken. He held a flag one time.
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Jakyl25
10/01/17 12:33:46 AM
#440:


Guys

Guys

You guys

The alt-right crowdfunded an anti-SJW superhero comic

https://freestartr.com/project/althero/

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DK4S_qoWsAAp0QI.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDqftPxXkAACPWw.jpg

Just look at this amazing artwork and character and realize that our plans for white genocide are over!
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Jakyl25
10/01/17 12:34:20 AM
#441:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
LordoftheMorons posted...
SNL's back in 20 minutes

https://twitter.com/AlecBaldwin/status/914295412865060864


Is one of the rules of being a progressive that we have to pretend Baldwin is actually doing a good Trump impersonation? <_<

I mean it's great because it pisses Trump off but he really didn't deserve that Emmy


He won an Emmy for it??

This is kind of a tangent, but there's a really tragic article about Darryl Hammon and how he's handling life after SNL, particularly after being replaced as the Donald.


Yeah, Best Supporting Actor in a Comedy show
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Not_an_Owl
10/01/17 12:35:54 AM
#442:


Jakyl25 posted...
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DK4S_qoWsAAp0QI.jpg

They're really leaning into the whole confederate flag thing, aren't they.
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Jakyl25
10/01/17 12:37:25 AM
#443:


$55,000 just to trigger liberals

Such a great cause
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Jakyl25
10/01/17 12:38:02 AM
#444:


Not_an_Owl posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DK4S_qoWsAAp0QI.jpg

They're really leaning into the whole confederate flag thing, aren't they.


She's fucking French too. WTF
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Suprak the Stud
10/01/17 12:40:00 AM
#445:


Jakyl25 posted...
Guys

Guys

You guys

The alt-right crowdfunded an anti-SJW superhero comic

https://freestartr.com/project/althero/

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DK4S_qoWsAAp0QI.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDqftPxXkAACPWw.jpg

Just look at this amazing artwork and character and realize that our plans for white genocide are over!


Hopefully for $50k they can now hire an artist that has at least seen humans before and is vaguely familiar with what they look like.
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Jakyl25
10/01/17 12:48:52 AM
#446:


Suprak the Stud posted...
Hopefully for $50k they can now hire an artist that has at least seen humans before and is vaguely familiar with what they look like.


https://twitter.com/2dammuslim/status/914244342906310656
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Dark Young Link
10/01/17 1:03:40 AM
#447:


TheRock1525 posted...

Are you an Ulti alt?


Let's see this user.....

Low Karma
Has never been seen on B8 before.
His a disparaging username
Instantly agrees with Ulti.

My guess?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rVmMxAAzuc

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Paratroopa1
10/01/17 1:11:09 AM
#448:


I'm sort of annoyed by how SNL has seen a resurgence of sorts - I find their Trump sketches to be really unfunny, even if I do obviously side with them against the president using his platform to talk about how much SNL sucks

The constant Trump impressions do really get old fast and Alec Baldwin's is pretty irritating
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SJW_Cultist
10/01/17 2:20:43 AM
#449:


lol no, ulti is a joke

i doubt you guys would remember my old account since i barely posted on it
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psaltery
10/01/17 2:29:18 AM
#450:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Uc1pPsKt_s


Corrupt mayor of San Juan refusing to allow emergencies supplies to be distributed.
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Forceful_Dragon
10/01/17 4:22:19 AM
#451:


kevwaffles posted...
What, you don't trust that an 18 karma account named SJW_Cultist isn't completely on the level?


kevwaffles posted...
SJW_Cultist


kevwaffles posted...
SJW_Cultist


o_O
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