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Jakyl25
09/27/17 12:28:54 PM
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09/27/17 12:36:11 PM
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09/27/17 1:17:44 PM
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Jakyl25 posted...
http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/27/politics/donald-trump-alabama-race-roy-moore/index.html

LOL if true

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ExThaNemesis
09/27/17 1:21:01 PM
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Hi B8 Liberals,

Today I got into a huge argument with most of my (white male) friend group about why white people need to stop telling black americans how they're allowed to protest. You'd have probably been proud of me or been like "is this really coming from extha".

You guys have probably been over this ad naseum in here but there's a coded message when you tell black people: BLM is not acceptable protest. Black brunch is not acceptable protest. SILENTLY KNEELING LITERALLY CAUSING NO HARM is not acceptable protest.

The coded message is literally: Be quiet and don't protest at all.

Fuck that.
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Jakyl25
09/27/17 1:21:48 PM
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ExThaNemesis
09/27/17 1:24:24 PM
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You shouldn't have to be woke to parse this out.

I lean pretty goddamn right on most things and I figured it out.
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Regaro
09/27/17 1:26:55 PM
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If the American Right were primarily made up of guys like you instead of the racists and assholes it actually is, this country would be a lot better off.
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ExThaNemesis
09/27/17 1:27:34 PM
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Woke would be saying something like the government wants to keep black people and white people from coming together on literally anything because it's easier to keep them from questioning what's actually wrong with the government.
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Jakyl25
09/27/17 1:28:37 PM
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ExThaNemesis posted...
You shouldn't have to be woke to parse this out.

I lean pretty goddamn right on most things and I figured it out.


Most of being woke is just realizing that the experience of being black in America and the experience of being white in America are different.

Sadly a lot of the right wants to deny that's the case.
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ExThaNemesis
09/27/17 1:29:49 PM
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Regaro posted...
If the American Right were primarily made up of guys like you instead of the racists and assholes it actually is, this country would be a lot better off.


We need to go back and look at who the first people were to equate Kaepernick's kneeling with "HE HATES VETERANS"

They framed it that way for a reason, because they know this country absolutely deifies its military and it would be the quickest way to get everyone to bandwagon against him.
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ExThaNemesis
09/27/17 1:31:28 PM
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Also the Trump 4D chess move would have been: We support the right to peaceful protest, anyone kneeling and expressing themselves peacefully should be allowed to do so, unlike THE VIOLENT MEMBERS OF ANTIFA

Boom. You don't pick a fight with an entire sports league and you fucking kneecap Antifa by making them look like psychotic assholes all in one swoop.
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Jakyl25
09/27/17 1:32:04 PM
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It's really hard to disrespect a flag that we literally have used to sell dog food
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Jakyl25
09/27/17 1:36:12 PM
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ExThaNemesis posted...
Also the Trump 4D chess move would have been: We support the right to peaceful protest, anyone kneeling and expressing themselves peacefully should be allowed to do so, unlike THE VIOLENT MEMBERS OF ANTIFA

Boom. You don't pick a fight with an entire sports league and you fucking kneecap Antifa by making them look like psychotic assholes all in one swoop.


What if the Trump 10D chess move is just to test his powers against the most powerful league in America to see how much blind worship control he has over his followers, to prep for whatever he does next?
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ExThaNemesis
09/27/17 1:36:30 PM
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I hate the whole selectiveness of deciding when a flag means what. That's why I still support the right to fly the confederate flag, because it doesn't mean the same thing to every single person.

And as far as the American flag goes, I have a huge problem with us using nuclear weapons on Japan. Do I have the right to tell everyone that the American flag stands solely for nuclear genocide? Nah that's nuts.
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Dancedreamer
09/27/17 1:36:53 PM
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I'm glad to see that, somewhat, the idea that protesting the anthem is 'against the military' is a narrative the right isn't being allowed to push. Allowing the right to control the narrative on these things has long been a problem.

It's not about the military. Not when we live in a country where many of our veterans have trouble getting adequate healthcare services. It's about worshiping the flag, and using the military as a shield against all protests.
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ExThaNemesis
09/27/17 1:37:05 PM
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Jakyl25 posted...
What if the Trump 10D chess move is just to test his powers against the most powerful league in America to see how much blind worship control he has over his followers, to prep for whatever he does next?


damn I never even thought of this, we are not worthy #MAGA
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ExThaNemesis
09/27/17 1:37:46 PM
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Dancedreamer posted...
is a narrative the right isn't being allowed to push.


I don't know where you've been but this is the exact narrative that has been pushed and accepted by a huge amount of people.
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Jakyl25
09/27/17 1:39:03 PM
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And hey ratings were down like 10% for a lot of games

Which still means they got massive ratings that no other sport can touch, but hey, a few hundred thousand people were REALLY that offended
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Jakyl25
09/27/17 1:40:23 PM
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Or maybe this week's games were just better a year ago, who knows
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ExThaNemesis
09/27/17 1:42:01 PM
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I hate that I've been like "The NFL is boring, watch soccer" for like five years and no one listened and now people are doing it for a totally stupid reason.
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Jakyl25
09/27/17 1:42:18 PM
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ExThaNemesis posted...
I hate the whole selectiveness of deciding when a flag means what. That's why I still support the right to fly the confederate flag, because it doesn't mean the same thing to every single person.


Would you at least agree that it's inappropriate for state governments to fly it right alongside the American flag

(Which makes NO GOD DAMN SENSE but whatever)
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Dancedreamer
09/27/17 1:42:33 PM
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I said 'somewhat'. People are calling out that a number of Veterans support this--and in fact it was a veteran who suggested Kaepernick kneel. Which has forced a change in narrative. (At least for some)

It's also hard to say this is about respecting the military, when Trump literally attacked John McCain for being a POW and a gold star family.
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Jakyl25
09/27/17 1:42:59 PM
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ExThaNemesis posted...
I hate that I've been like "The NFL is boring, watch soccer" for like five years and no one listened and now people are doing it for a totally stupid reason.


Oh god I hope Trump directs his supporters to be MLS fans
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ExThaNemesis
09/27/17 1:44:50 PM
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Jakyl25 posted...
Oh god I hope Trump directs his supporters to be MLS fans


The US Men's National Team is gonna win so many World Cups that we'll get tired of winning!
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Jakyl25
09/27/17 1:45:45 PM
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It's hilarious to me that the upset people mass-bought the jersey of Villanueva on the Steelers because he's the only one that came out for the Anthem.

That money goes to the NFL you idiots.

It's like the people who bought the WWE-made "Cena Sucks!" shirts.
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FFDragon
09/27/17 1:46:34 PM
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I just want the far-right nutters who have never served a day in their lives to stop putting words in my (and my fellow veterans') mouth.
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ExThaNemesis
09/27/17 1:51:33 PM
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How did you feel about the Ravens taking their protest one step farther and not showing up for the entire game, FFD?
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Jakyl25
09/27/17 1:51:36 PM
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What's interesting to me is that Trump has come out and said that he's totally fine with what the Cowboys did; kneeling together in protest before the Anthem, then standing for the Anthem itself.

But so many others still hate them for doing it.

I think it shows that, for those people, it's a racial issue that goes deeper than Trump worship. He basically tapped into it by accident. You can take Moore beating Strange as another example.
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FFDragon
09/27/17 1:52:35 PM
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ExThaNemesis posted...
How did you feel about the Ravens taking their protest one step farther and not showing up for the entire game, FFD?


Truly dedicated to the cause, I applaud their dedication.
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Jakyl25
09/27/17 1:55:15 PM
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Like, I think Trump saw "Wow a lot of my base is really upset at these Anthem protests. I should go hard on that and they'll love me!"

And he did, and they did.

But he didn't realize that it wasn't REALLY about the Anthem for a lot of them. Ironically that was just the PC way to say what they really felt.
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Jakyl25
09/27/17 1:58:13 PM
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Jakyl25
09/27/17 2:07:02 PM
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http://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1C12UI

They won't lift the Jones Act to allow more supplies to be shipped to Puerto Rico.

Fucking WHAT
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CelesMyUserName
09/27/17 2:11:42 PM
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Jakyl25
09/27/17 2:13:10 PM
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I'm not gonna laugh at someone for not appearing to be the gender they list on documents. We don't know his history.
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FFDragon
09/27/17 2:13:42 PM
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The Kush is transgender? Well then.
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09/27/17 2:20:53 PM
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HaRRicH
09/27/17 2:21:42 PM
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Jakyl25 posted...
I'm not gonna laugh at someone for not appearing to be the gender they list on documents. We don't know his history.


I agree with this, but given the political climate I think the GOP needs to tell him what bathroom they think he should use.
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LordoftheMorons
09/27/17 2:30:07 PM
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Jakyl25 posted...
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1C12UI

They won't lift the Jones Act to allow more supplies to be shipped to Puerto Rico.

Fucking WHAT

Gross

I saw that McCain wants the Jones Act waived. It wouldn't surprise me if Trump was keeping it there out of spite. (Though I haven't checked if the timelines line up).
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Suprak the Stud
09/27/17 2:32:43 PM
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ExThaNemesis posted...
Regaro posted...
If the American Right were primarily made up of guys like you instead of the racists and assholes it actually is, this country would be a lot better off.


We need to go back and look at who the first people were to equate Kaepernick's kneeling with "HE HATES VETERANS"

They framed it that way for a reason, because they know this country absolutely deifies its military and it would be the quickest way to get everyone to bandwagon against him.


He's something interesting many people on the right don't realize:

He started kneeling only after talking to a veteran.

https://www.texasmonthly.com/the-daily-post/texas-football-protest-kneel/

tl;dr

Kaep started his protest last year by sitting on the bench. It went unremarked on initially, until a reporter comment on it and he said he was doing it to protest what he perceived to be institutional racism. This got the attention of Nate Boyer, long snapper and former Green Beret who penned an open letter to Kaep in the army times.

http://www.armytimes.com/opinion/2016/08/30/an-open-letter-to-colin-kaepernick-from-a-green-beret-turned-long-snapper/

I'm not judging you for standing up for what you believe in. It's your inalienable right. What you are doing takes a lot of courage, and I'd be lying if I said I knew what it was like to walk around in your shoes. I've never had to deal with prejudice because of the color of my skin, and for me to say I can relate to what you've gone through is as ignorant as someone who's never been in a combat zone telling me they understand what it's like to go to war.

Even though my initial reaction to your protest was one of anger, I'm trying to listen to what you're saying and why you're doing it. When I told my mom about this article, she cautioned me that "the last thing our country needed right now was more hate." As usual, she's right.


Kaep invited him to San Francisco where the two talked for two hours, and Boyer ultimately suggested he thought it would be more respectful to the military if he kneeled instead of sat. His reasoning:

"We sorta came to a middle ground where he would take a knee alongside his teammates," Boyer says. "Soldiers take a knee in front of a fallen brother's grave, you know, to show respect. When we're on a patrol, you know, and we go into a security halt, we take a knee, and we pull security."


So ultimately the reason Kaep kneels instead of sits is specifically because he wanted to show more respect to the military while keeping his protest ongoing about racial inequality in America. Obviously this isn't the opinion of EVERYONE in the military because they are a diverse group of people just like anyone else, so Boyer doesn't speak for all of them. But to act like he is just doing this because he hates America and hates the military is entirely missing the point.
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Regaro
09/27/17 2:39:41 PM
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https://www.dallasnews.com/life/faith/2017/09/25/dallas-pastor-robert-jeffress-says-kneeling-nfl-players-thank-god-shot-head

Here's a HOT TAKE BRO
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Mr Lasastryke
09/27/17 2:40:57 PM
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ExThaNemesis posted...
I lean pretty goddamn right on most things


do you, though? you strike me as a guy who leans left on most things who just temporarily jumped on the trump bandwagon because it was the "anti-feminist" thing to do.
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Eddv
09/27/17 2:46:03 PM
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Regaro posted...
Stuff


This is the most bizarre thing about the Republican take here.

Simultaneously they want to quash freedom of expression whilst simultaneously mocking North Korea for being so bad for free expression.

The lack of self-awareness or ability to reason beyond your own fucking navel is amazing to me.
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Eddv
09/27/17 2:47:48 PM
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FFDragon posted...
The Kush is transgender? Well then.


I guess this makes Ivanka a lesbian? Good for her.
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Eddv
09/27/17 2:51:12 PM
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Jakyl25 posted...
It's hilarious to me that the upset people mass-bought the jersey of Villanueva on the Steelers because he's the only one that came out for the Anthem.

That money goes to the NFL you idiots.

It's like the people who bought the WWE-made "Cena Sucks!" shirts.


Something that occurs to be is those jerseys for obscure ass players are like 150 dollars and that jersey sales through nfl.com are probably pretty low when the knockoffs out there look so good and cost a very small fraction of the price.

I guess my point is who the fuck has all this money to burn?
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Jakyl25
09/27/17 2:57:34 PM
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Eddv posted...
FFDragon posted...
The Kush is transgender? Well then.


I guess this makes Ivanka a lesbian? Good for her.


No, Kushner clearly uses male pronouns. If you're a cis woman dating a trans man, that's still considered straight.
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Jakyl25
09/27/17 2:58:27 PM
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Eddv posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
It's hilarious to me that the upset people mass-bought the jersey of Villanueva on the Steelers because he's the only one that came out for the Anthem.

That money goes to the NFL you idiots.

It's like the people who bought the WWE-made "Cena Sucks!" shirts.


Something that occurs to be is those jerseys for obscure ass players are like 150 dollars and that jersey sales through nfl.com are probably pretty low when the knockoffs out there look so good and cost a very small fraction of the price.

I guess my point is who the fuck has all this money to burn?


People who voted for Trump because of ECONOMIC ANXIETY, bro
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Eddv
09/27/17 3:01:18 PM
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Jakyl25 posted...
Eddv posted...
FFDragon posted...
The Kush is transgender? Well then.


I guess this makes Ivanka a lesbian? Good for her.


No, Kushner clearly uses male pronouns. If you're a cis woman dating a trans man, that's still considered straight.


It is? Good to know.

This cis/trans stuff is literally why I quit chemistry.
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transcience
09/27/17 3:01:31 PM
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oh damn someone beat me to Jared "but her emails" Kushner

ExTha did you see this yet? http://www.cc.com/video-clips/nujtiv/the-daily-show-with-trevor-noah-when-is-the-right-time-for-black-people-to-protest-
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Eddv
09/27/17 3:02:20 PM
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Jakyl25 posted...


People who voted for Trump because of ECONOMIC ANXIETY, bro


Aaaaand theres the fucking punchline.
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09/27/17 3:11:52 PM
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Jakyl25 posted...

It's like the people who bought the WWE-made "Cena Sucks!" shirts.


Not really.

People who think Cena sucks are generally still WWE fans in the first place.

And the saner ones tend to realize that Cena the character and Cena the person are two different people and that he's actually a respectable guy.
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