Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 137: America Derserves Better

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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/914465475777695744

"Politically motivated ingrates"
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Everything's fine, nothing to see here
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http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/01/europe/catalonia-spain-independence-referendum-vote/index.html

This is really fucked up. Why is Spain so militantly against them having an independence referendum vote?
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I haven't looked into it at all, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was unconstitutional (like it would be here). That doesn't excuse the violence or arrests, though; if that's the case they should just say that the vote's invalid for that reason.
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Right. Just let the vote happen and then address it.

Man I'm still trying to wrap my brain around the idea of calling hurricane victims begging you for more help "ingrates." The sheer ego required is astronomical.

And this is the man that represents us globally.
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it's times like these when i have a tough time agreeing with the stance that it's "hillary's fault" that trump won. the people who seriously thought it was a good idea to vote this man into office are primarily at fault.
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

it's times like these when i have a tough time agreeing with the stance that it's "hillary's fault" that trump won. the people who seriously thought it was a good idea to vote this man into office are primarily at fault.

Much happier Trump is in office than Hillary. By far the better choice all things considered.

It is democrats fault that Trump is office for allowing Hillary to be their candidate.
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Corrik posted...

By far the better choice all things considered.

By far the worse choice for any rational human being, but a lot of conservatives aren't rational.
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Thank you for endorsing unnecessary death, corrik.
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Peace___Frog posted...

Thank you for endorsing unnecessary death, corrik.

This post is stupid and you know it.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/10/01/femas-long-no-time-for-mayors-spout-off-focused-on-puerto-rico.html
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please refrain from using state-sponsored propaganda as your source

And no, puerto ricans are literally dying because trump is neglecting them. They're Americans.
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Corrik what have been your favorite and least favorite things so far in Trump's Presidency

Curious
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Jakyl25 posted...

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/01/europe/catalonia-spain-independence-referendum-vote/index.html

This is really fucked up. Why is Spain so militantly against them having an independence referendum vote?

Same reason we were so against the South leaving the union.

Once you allow someone to leave, you lose sovereignty.

Why California and Texas or whatever will never leave the Union here no matter what chatter you hear.
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I'm starting to lean more towards blaming the Electoral College. Not the undemocratic idea of it in principle, but the actual people involved.

Isn't this the exact sort of situation their existence was designed to protect against? Isn't this the reason why we actually go through with the process instead of just automatically declaring the person with the most Electoral numbers the winner?
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Peace___Frog posted...

please refrain from using state-sponsored propaganda as your source

And no, puerto ricans are literally dying because trump is neglecting them. They're Americans.

FEMA says you are full of shit. But, hey! Who is the director of FEMA compared to some angsty dude from Pennsylvania!
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Nope. Numerous sources state that the white house had zero disaster plan until multiple days afterwards. Many sources on the ground say that additional troops are necessary. Official white house statements are deflecting responsibility. Some leadership there.
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VeryInsane posted...

Corrik what have been your favorite and least favorite things so far in Trump's Presidency

Curious

Least favorite thing is his wording in situations that causes issues and his failure to repeal Obamacare.

Favorite thing is all ideas at this point. He hasn't accomplished anything really so far. Maybe his tougher immigration policies.

As of now he has been a relatively lacklusters President that can be good if he ever is able to accomplish his ideas. A lot of Republicans are disillusioned with our Senate moreso than the actual President at this point.
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Nothing the FEMA director said contradicts the criticisms from people on the ground in PR. Again, no one ever said that the people who are there aren't doing a good job. Just that their numbers are inadequate
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Peace___Frog posted...

Nope. Numerous sources state that the white house had zero disaster plan until multiple days afterwards. Many sources on the ground say that additional troops are necessary. Official white house statements are deflecting responsibility. Some leadership there.

So, again, you know more than the literal director of FEMA. Got ya.

You couldn't send down resources right after the hurricane as it was going up into Florida and they had a second hurricane forming behind it.
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Jakyl25 posted...

Nothing the FEMA director said contradicts the criticisms from people on the ground in PR. Again, no one ever said that the people who are there aren't doing a good job. Just that their numbers are inadequate

He clearly says the problems are not the numbers there but the infrastructure there that is limiting them and the infrastructure was a problem even before the Hurricanes.
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Corrik posted...

Peace___Frog posted...

Nope. Numerous sources state that the white house had zero disaster plan until multiple days afterwards. Many sources on the ground say that additional troops are necessary. Official white house statements are deflecting responsibility. Some leadership there.

So, again, you know more than the literal director of FEMA. Got ya.

You couldn't send down resources right after the hurricane as it was going up into Florida and they had a second hurricane forming behind it.

Yep, and as a third world country, we don't have any resources anywhere else. I wonder how we got supplies to Berlin 70 years ago.
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Corrik posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

Nothing the FEMA director said contradicts the criticisms from people on the ground in PR. Again, no one ever said that the people who are there aren't doing a good job. Just that their numbers are inadequate

He clearly says the problems are not the numbers there but the infrastructure there that is limiting them and the infrastructure was a problem even before the Hurricanes.

The most powerful force on earth can't deal with bad infrastructure?
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It amazes me the entitlement from the Left. This is two stories now in what 60 days maybe where the left has criticized people for helping.

1. Trump donates to the Harvey Relief from personal funds.

Response: Wow what a piece of shit. He only donated that much? He should be ashamed. He could have donated way more. That's like a normal American donating 17 bucks!

Newsflash a donation is a donation. He could have gave nothing. Why would you not be happy he did?

2. FEMA is on the ground for over 40 days with tens of thousands agents helping Puerto Rico recover after they spent however many days and time in Harvey and Florida already.

Response: People are dying. You are terrible. You go straight to hell for your terrible behavior. We need help, and you aren't helping.

Newsflash: They are helping. There are reasons that make it so much harder to help due to the way the Island was beforehand and by the fact it was an island that got effectively 100% smashed. People doing everything to help in a situation where your current leadership had you so weakened to the point that this scenario was even possible, and you are criticizing the help. Wild.

16 people or something have died in Puerto Rico. 1800 or something died with Katrina.

How many died in Harvey? It is easy to complain instead of support the efforts.
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My favorite thing about that SJW_Cultist alt from earlier is that MSNBC.com was its sig.
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Corrik posted...

Newsflash a donation is a donation. He could have gave nothing. Why would you not be happy he did?

I think all most people wanted was proof that he actually did it.

You know you can't take him at his word.
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I don't think I ever heard that criticism about Donald's donation to Hurricane Harvey in the sense that a million dollars isn't enough. To me, it's always been about how him donating $1,000,000 isn't a "real" donation when he's charging the Secret Service so much to stay at his hotels and such. He's still getting paid by government money in an upsetting way and I'm not going to give him credit for using a different check to give it to victims now. That's just redirecting the praise taxes are responsible for.

There was also the question on if he was even paying with his personal money or his foundation's, which he hasn't added his own money to in nearly a decade.
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Jakyl25 posted...

Corrik posted...

Newsflash a donation is a donation. He could have gave nothing. Why would you not be happy he did?

I think all most people wanted was proof that he actually did it.

You know you can't take him at his word.

Yup. But mr. gullible over here does anyway.
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Corrik posted...

People doing everything to help in a situation where your current leadership had you so weakened to the point that this scenario was even possible, and you are criticizing the help. Wild.

And the President is criticizing the victims. Even wilder.
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the news story was he donated a million while cutting a billion from the fema budget
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Isn't this the exact sort of situation their existence was designed to protect against? Isn't this the reason why we actually go through with the process instead of just automatically declaring the person with the most Electoral numbers the winner?

That's my understanding, yes. But! The modern Electoral College isn't just a rubber stamp, it's expected to be a rubber stamp. I believe in some states it is actually against the law for electors to not vote for the candidate that won their state. We gutted its ability to serve as a safety net, but left it in place as a vote distorter. Can't honestly blame the last set of electors for that.

I mean, you want to argue we should abolish the Electoral College, I'm behind you all the way; its only remaining effect is to make votes more significant in some places than others, which does not strike me as a function worth preserving.

(Well, I guess that's not fair, it's not inconceivable that a third party could do well enough that no one wins a majority and Congress picks the winners. Although that's only happened once in 200+ years.)
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I got a 3kl for calling trump a c-bomb and I'm very okay with that.
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So it can never really be anything except ceremonial ever again. Wow
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https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/914497877543735296
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/914497877543735296

I told Rex Tillerson, our wonderful Secretary of State, that he is wasting his time trying to negotiate with Little Rocket Man...
...Save your energy Rex, we'll do what has to be done!

Can we PLEASE stop warmongering on Twitter
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wait is he telling his sec of state not to do his job?
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Jakyl, you might find this an interesting read.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faithless_electors_in_the_United_States_presidential_election,_2016

Highlights: seven electors defected in 2016 (mostly against Hillary), three more attempted to defect but their "faithless" votes were discounted. Additionally, long before 2016, the Supreme Court has ruled in favor of state laws which compel electors to vote in accord with their state.

And here's the light at the end of the tunnel:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Compact
States joining the NPVIC agree that if the NPVIC contains a majority of electoral votes, they will give all their electoral votes (and therefore an automatic victory) to whichever candidate wins the national popular vote. Until then, it has no effect.

However, I really don't think the modern Republican Party has any interest in granting additional power to the national popular vote - it's clearly an area where they struggle, and demographics aren't helping. So I don't expect the NPVIC to go anywhere. But! It's the best attempt I've seen to work around the Electoral College's vote distortion.
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I'm more concerned with the fact that he is showing a willingness to go to war before exhausting all peaceful avenues
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MalcolmMasher posted...

Jakyl, you might find this an interesting read.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faithless_electors_in_the_United_States_presidential_election,_2016

Highlights: seven electors defected in 2016 (mostly against Hillary), three more attempted to defect but their "faithless" votes were discounted. Additionally, long before 2016, the Supreme Court has ruled in favor of state laws which compel electors to vote in accord with their state.

And here's the light at the end of the tunnel:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Compact
States joining the NPVIC agree that if the NPVIC contains a majority of electoral votes, they will give all their electoral votes (and therefore an automatic victory) to whichever candidate wins the national popular vote. Until then, it has no effect.

However, I really don't think the modern Republican Party has any interest in granting additional power to the national popular vote - it's clearly an area where they struggle, and demographics aren't helping. So I don't expect the NPVIC to go anywhere. But! It's the best attempt I've seen to work around the Electoral College's vote distortion.

Thanks!
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I've always thought the idea of counting votes by geographical location was kind of dumb.

I mean if you're a democrat in Texas or Alabama, your vote is meaningless. You might as well not vote at all. Same goes for if you're a Republican in California or Connecticut. Your vote only really counts if you live in a swing state.

This goes fro Representatives too. If you live in a solid red or solid blue district, your representative doesn't really represent you if you vote the other way.
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https://twitter.com/brianstelter/status/914486337734168577

Basically Trump is probably lying when he says all buildings have been inspected
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Welcome back, Steve Scalise.
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That's great news. What's his long-term prognosis? Full recovery?
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Corrik posted...

Peace___Frog posted...

please refrain from using state-sponsored propaganda as your source

And no, puerto ricans are literally dying because trump is neglecting them. They're Americans.

FEMA says you are full of shit. But, hey! Who is the director of FEMA compared to some angsty dude from Pennsylvania!

https://www.google.com/amp/thehill.com/policy/defense/353137-not-enough-troops-equipment-in-puerto-rico-says-general-in-charge-of-relief%3Famp

I dunno if someone already posted this, but Corrik just stop dude.
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

https://www.google.com/amp/thehill.com/policy/defense/353137-not-enough-troops-equipment-in-puerto-rico-says-general-in-charge-of-relief%3Famp

I dunno if someone already posted this, but Corrik just stop dude.

that's not fox news. fake news.
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Corrik posted...

Peace___Frog posted...

please refrain from using state-sponsored propaganda as your source

And no, puerto ricans are literally dying because trump is neglecting them. They're Americans.

FEMA says you are full of shit. But, hey! Who is the director of FEMA compared to some angsty dude from Pennsylvania!

https://www.google.com/amp/thehill.com/policy/defense/353137-not-enough-troops-equipment-in-puerto-rico-says-general-in-charge-of-relief%3Famp

I dunno if someone already posted this, but Corrik just stop dude.

Read your own sources.

"In fact, that doesn't affect the way that we stage equipment and the way we area command and field operational command. This is textbook and it's been done well," Bossert told reporters Thursday at the daily White House press briefing.
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Oh ok, so Corrik literally doesn't understand the criticism then.
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Oh ok, so Corrik literally doesn't understand the criticism then.

I am just trying to understand how you all know more than the FEMA director. I mean, if they weren't getting the resources from Trump as they needed, I just really feel like they would say they need more resources from him that he is not providing.
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Go Heels Fuck Dook
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