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Mal_Fet 09/20/17 11:11:13 AM #51:	Guide posted... You never actually bothered to figure out what authoritarian means in the study. It defines authoritarians, but then it only related the issues of immigration and the travel ban to Trump supporters, and calls them authoritarians for that. It even explains how those two questions alone were added to the study and how that was the basis for his conclusion. I say again: fake study. --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:886950136] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote><cite>Guide posted...</cite> <quote>You never actually bothered to figure out what authoritarian means in the study. </quote> It defines authoritarians, but then it only related the issues of immigration and the travel ban to Trump supporters, and calls them authoritarians for that. It even explains how those two questions alone were added to the study and how that was the basis for his conclusion. I say again: fake study.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeeak4444 09/20/17 11:12:37 AM #52:	Mal_Fet posted... Guide posted... You never actually bothered to figure out what authoritarian means in the study. It defines authoritarians, but then it only related the issues of immigration and the travel ban to Trump supporters, and calls them authoritarians for that. It even explains how those two questions alone were added to the study and how that was the basis for his conclusion. I say again: fake study. Ok. You said it. Bye. --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X <cite>Zeeak4444 posted [p:886950196] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Guide posted...</cite> <quote>You never actually bothered to figure out what authoritarian means in the study. </quote> It defines authoritarians, but then it only related the issues of immigration and the travel ban to Trump supporters, and calls them authoritarians for that. It even explains how those two questions alone were added to the study and how that was the basis for his conclusion. I say again: fake study.</quote> Ok. You said it. Bye.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Guide 09/20/17 11:18:57 AM #53:	Mal_Fet posted... Guide posted... You never actually bothered to figure out what authoritarian means in the study. It defines authoritarians, but then it only related the issues of immigration and the travel ban to Trump supporters, and calls them authoritarians for that. It even explains how those two questions alone were added to the study and how that was the basis for his conclusion. I say again: fake study. Would you take issue with being called a figure in the context of representing a figure in a data graph? --- chicken salad sandwich <cite>Guide posted [p:886950517] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Guide posted...</cite> <quote>You never actually bothered to figure out what authoritarian means in the study. </quote> It defines authoritarians, but then it only related the issues of immigration and the travel ban to Trump supporters, and calls them authoritarians for that. It even explains how those two questions alone were added to the study and how that was the basis for his conclusion. I say again: fake study.</quote> Would you take issue with being called a figure in the context of representing a figure in a data graph?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 09/20/17 11:29:03 AM #54:	Mal_Fet posted... Guide posted... You never actually bothered to figure out what authoritarian means in the study. It defines authoritarians, but then it only related the issues of immigration and the travel ban to Trump supporters, and calls them authoritarians for that. It even explains how those two questions alone were added to the study and how that was the basis for his conclusion. I say again: fake study. Authoritarianism has been successfully measured in different ways. Political scientists prefer to ask about what is more important for children – respect for elders more important than independence; obedience more important than self-reliance; to be well-behaved more important than being creative; and to have good manners more important than to be curious (Feldman, in press; Feldman & Stenner, 1997). Social psychologists prefer such items as: “The authorities should be obeyed because they are in the best position to know what is good for our country”; and “Obedience and respect for authority are the most important virtues children should learn.” These methodological approaches are highly interrelated and both have proven useful. And note that they overlap in their attention to basic values. In agreement, Choma and Hanoch (2017), analyzing data from a Mechanical Turk sample of 406 American adults, found that both authoritarianism (r = +.46) and SDO (r = +.48) correlated highly (p < .001) with the intention to vote for Trump. Similarly, Van Assche and Pettigrew (2016) gathered another Mechanical Turk sample of 139 White American adults and found authoritarianism (r = +.47) and SDO (r = +.32) correlated highly (p < .001) with planning to vote for Trump. This consistency across these various studies is noteworthy because they employed different measures of the key predictor variables. The first two of the studies cited above employed Feldman’s political science measure of authoritarianism, while the other two studies used standard social psychological items. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:886951029] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Guide posted...</cite> <quote>You never actually bothered to figure out what authoritarian means in the study. </quote> It defines authoritarians, but then it only related the issues of immigration and the travel ban to Trump supporters, and calls them authoritarians for that. It even explains how those two questions alone were added to the study and how that was the basis for his conclusion. I say again: fake study.</quote> <quote>Authoritarianism has been successfully measured in different ways. Political scientists prefer to ask about what is more important for children – respect for elders more important than independence; obedience more important than self-reliance; to be well-behaved more important than being creative; and to have good manners more important than to be curious (Feldman, in press; Feldman & Stenner, 1997). Social psychologists prefer such items as: “The authorities should be obeyed because they are in the best position to know what is good for our country”; and “Obedience and respect for authority are the most important virtues children should learn.” These methodological approaches are highly interrelated and both have proven useful. And note that they overlap in their attention to basic values.</quote> <quote>In agreement, Choma and Hanoch (2017), analyzing data from a Mechanical Turk sample of 406 American adults, found that both authoritarianism (r = +.46) and SDO (r = +.48) correlated highly (p < .001) with the intention to vote for Trump. Similarly, Van Assche and Pettigrew (2016) gathered another Mechanical Turk sample of 139 White American adults and found authoritarianism (r = +.47) and SDO (r = +.32) correlated highly (p < .001) with planning to vote for Trump. This consistency across these various studies is noteworthy because they employed different measures of the key predictor variables. The first two of the studies cited above employed Feldman’s political science measure of authoritarianism, while the other two studies used standard social psychological items. </quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 09/20/17 11:52:26 AM #55:	So, in summary, mal came into this thread and lied about what's in the article. Because he never read it. --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:886952180] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote>So, in summary, mal came into this thread and lied about what's in the article. Because he never read it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TommyG663513 09/20/17 12:15:58 PM #56:	Darkman124 posted... So, in summary, mal came into this thread and lied about what's in the article. Because he never read it. It's hilarious how bad his trolling attempts are and how no one ever really bites on his crap anymore. --- just tell them all your base doesn't belong to us because we were getting stoned...they'll understand-Ken156 <cite>TommyG663513 posted [p:886953404] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote>So, in summary, mal came into this thread and lied about what's in the article. Because he never read it.</quote> It's hilarious how bad his trolling attempts are and how no one ever really bites on his crap anymore.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 09/20/17 1:21:48 PM #57:	TommyG663513 posted... Darkman124 posted... So, in summary, mal came into this thread and lied about what's in the article. Because he never read it. It's hilarious how bad his trolling attempts are and how no one ever really bites on his crap anymore. I mean, the big issue is that people will come in and assume he's telling the truth because it aligns more with their assumptions. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:886956902] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote><cite>TommyG663513 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote>So, in summary, mal came into this thread and lied about what's in the article. Because he never read it.</quote> It's hilarious how bad his trolling attempts are and how no one ever really bites on his crap anymore.</quote> I mean, the big issue is that people will come in and assume he's telling the truth because it aligns more with their assumptions.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 09/20/17 1:23:35 PM #58:	COVxy posted... Mal_Fet posted... Guide posted... You never actually bothered to figure out what authoritarian means in the study. It defines authoritarians, but then it only related the issues of immigration and the travel ban to Trump supporters, and calls them authoritarians for that. It even explains how those two questions alone were added to the study and how that was the basis for his conclusion. I say again: fake study. Authoritarianism has been successfully measured in different ways. Political scientists prefer to ask about what is more important for children – respect for elders more important than independence; obedience more important than self-reliance; to be well-behaved more important than being creative; and to have good manners more important than to be curious (Feldman, in press; Feldman & Stenner, 1997). Social psychologists prefer such items as: “The authorities should be obeyed because they are in the best position to know what is good for our country”; and “Obedience and respect for authority are the most important virtues children should learn.” These methodological approaches are highly interrelated and both have proven useful. And note that they overlap in their attention to basic values. In agreement, Choma and Hanoch (2017), analyzing data from a Mechanical Turk sample of 406 American adults, found that both authoritarianism (r = +.46) and SDO (r = +.48) correlated highly (p < .001) with the intention to vote for Trump. Similarly, Van Assche and Pettigrew (2016) gathered another Mechanical Turk sample of 139 White American adults and found authoritarianism (r = +.47) and SDO (r = +.32) correlated highly (p < .001) with planning to vote for Trump. This consistency across these various studies is noteworthy because they employed different measures of the key predictor variables. The first two of the studies cited above employed Feldman’s political science measure of authoritarianism, while the other two studies used standard social psychological items. I like how you're accusing me of not reading the study when you can't even be bothered to read the posts in this very topic. I was specifically refuting the part of the study YOU quoted, which you aren't even bothering to defend here, apparently. I take it you agree the MacWIlliams part is bullshit then? And I'm not impressed by a bunch of other half-baked sociology studies either. The writer of this study makes several false claims with a leftist slant, like that Nixon employed a southern strategy despite voting for all three Civil Rights Acts and how he desegregated 70% of the nations schools while LBJ oversaw only 10% of them being desegregated. It equates the Tea Party, a movement strictly about electing Constitutionalist politicians, to a bunch of European parties frequently described as Neo Nazi. Further it claims Ronald Reagan was being a racist for speaking about the importance of states rights "near where civil rights leaders were lynched", the implication being that these two things were related and that he supported the murders. This is obviously heavily biased. This wasn't written to be an honest take on the attitudes of Trump's fanclub, it was written so that regressives on Facebook and Leddit could have an academic-looking study to refute people online who make the observation that the left is getting way more authoritarian as of late with their attempts to shut down speakers and assault people on the street for wearing MAGA hats. I've seen better arguments from Alex Jones, ffs. --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:886957001] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Guide posted...</cite> <quote>You never actually bothered to figure out what authoritarian means in the study. </quote> It defines authoritarians, but then it only related the issues of immigration and the travel ban to Trump supporters, and calls them authoritarians for that. It even explains how those two questions alone were added to the study and how that was the basis for his conclusion. I say again: fake study.</quote> <quote>Authoritarianism has been successfully measured in different ways. Political scientists prefer to ask about what is more important for children – respect for elders more important than independence; obedience more important than self-reliance; to be well-behaved more important than being creative; and to have good manners more important than to be curious (Feldman, in press; Feldman & Stenner, 1997). Social psychologists prefer such items as: “The authorities should be obeyed because they are in the best position to know what is good for our country”; and “Obedience and respect for authority are the most important virtues children should learn.” These methodological approaches are highly interrelated and both have proven useful. And note that they overlap in their attention to basic values.</quote> <quote>In agreement, Choma and Hanoch (2017), analyzing data from a Mechanical Turk sample of 406 American adults, found that both authoritarianism (r = +.46) and SDO (r = +.48) correlated highly (p < .001) with the intention to vote for Trump. Similarly, Van Assche and Pettigrew (2016) gathered another Mechanical Turk sample of 139 White American adults and found authoritarianism (r = +.47) and SDO (r = +.32) correlated highly (p < .001) with planning to vote for Trump. This consistency across these various studies is noteworthy because they employed different measures of the key predictor variables. The first two of the studies cited above employed Feldman’s political science measure of authoritarianism, while the other two studies used standard social psychological items. </quote></quote> I like how you're accusing me of not reading the study when you can't even be bothered to read the posts in this very topic. I was specifically refuting the part of the study YOU quoted, which you aren't even bothering to defend here, apparently. I take it you agree the MacWIlliams part is bullshit then? And I'm not impressed by a bunch of other half-baked sociology studies either. The writer of this study makes several false claims with a leftist slant, like that Nixon employed a southern strategy despite voting for all three Civil Rights Acts and how he desegregated 70% of the nations schools while LBJ oversaw only 10% of them being desegregated. It equates the Tea Party, a movement strictly about electing Constitutionalist politicians, to a bunch of European parties frequently described as Neo Nazi. Further it claims Ronald Reagan was being a racist for speaking about the importance of states rights "near where civil rights leaders were lynched", the implication being that these two things were related and that he supported the murders. This is obviously heavily biased. This wasn't written to be an honest take on the attitudes of Trump's fanclub, it was written so that regressives on Facebook and Leddit could have an academic-looking study to refute people online who make the observation that the left is getting way more authoritarian as of late with their attempts to shut down speakers and assault people on the street for wearing MAGA hats. I've seen better arguments from Alex Jones, ffs.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeeak4444 09/20/17 1:26:43 PM #59:	Mal_Fet posted... COVxy posted... Mal_Fet posted... Guide posted... You never actually bothered to figure out what authoritarian means in the study. It defines authoritarians, but then it only related the issues of immigration and the travel ban to Trump supporters, and calls them authoritarians for that. It even explains how those two questions alone were added to the study and how that was the basis for his conclusion. I say again: fake study. Authoritarianism has been successfully measured in different ways. Political scientists prefer to ask about what is more important for children – respect for elders more important than independence; obedience more important than self-reliance; to be well-behaved more important than being creative; and to have good manners more important than to be curious (Feldman, in press; Feldman & Stenner, 1997). Social psychologists prefer such items as: “The authorities should be obeyed because they are in the best position to know what is good for our country”; and “Obedience and respect for authority are the most important virtues children should learn.” These methodological approaches are highly interrelated and both have proven useful. And note that they overlap in their attention to basic values. In agreement, Choma and Hanoch (2017), analyzing data from a Mechanical Turk sample of 406 American adults, found that both authoritarianism (r = +.46) and SDO (r = +.48) correlated highly (p < .001) with the intention to vote for Trump. Similarly, Van Assche and Pettigrew (2016) gathered another Mechanical Turk sample of 139 White American adults and found authoritarianism (r = +.47) and SDO (r = +.32) correlated highly (p < .001) with planning to vote for Trump. This consistency across these various studies is noteworthy because they employed different measures of the key predictor variables. The first two of the studies cited above employed Feldman’s political science measure of authoritarianism, while the other two studies used standard social psychological items. I like how you're accusing me of not reading the study when you can't even be bothered to read the posts in this very topic. I was specifically refuting the part of the study quoted by @COVxy , which you aren't even bothering to defend here, apparently. I take it you agree the MacWIlliams part is bullshit then? And I'm not impressed by a bunch of other half-baked sociology studies either. The writer of this study makes several false claims with a leftist slant, like that Nixon employed a southern strategy despite voting for all three Civil Rights Acts and how he desegregated 70% of the nations schools while LBJ oversaw only 10% of them being desegregated. It equates the Tea Party, a movement strictly about electing Constitutionalist politicians, to a bunch of European parties frequently described as Neo Nazi. Further it claims Ronald Reagan was being a racist for speaking about the importance of states rights "near where civil rights leaders were lynched", the implication being that these two things were related and that he supported the murders. This is obviously heavily biased. It was written so that regressives on Facebook and Leddit could have an academic-looking study to cite to try to end arguments with Trump supporters by hoping they wouldn't pay more attention to it than they themselves did. I've seen better arguments from Alex Jones, ffs. Alright @Mal_Fet I'll bite. Address the part I quoted in pretty much any of my posts and refute it. If you wanna have an actual discussion let's have one on the content itself. --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X <cite>Zeeak4444 posted [p:886957178] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Guide posted...</cite> <quote>You never actually bothered to figure out what authoritarian means in the study. </quote> It defines authoritarians, but then it only related the issues of immigration and the travel ban to Trump supporters, and calls them authoritarians for that. It even explains how those two questions alone were added to the study and how that was the basis for his conclusion. I say again: fake study.</quote> <quote>Authoritarianism has been successfully measured in different ways. Political scientists prefer to ask about what is more important for children – respect for elders more important than independence; obedience more important than self-reliance; to be well-behaved more important than being creative; and to have good manners more important than to be curious (Feldman, in press; Feldman & Stenner, 1997). Social psychologists prefer such items as: “The authorities should be obeyed because they are in the best position to know what is good for our country”; and “Obedience and respect for authority are the most important virtues children should learn.” These methodological approaches are highly interrelated and both have proven useful. And note that they overlap in their attention to basic values.</quote> <quote>In agreement, Choma and Hanoch (2017), analyzing data from a Mechanical Turk sample of 406 American adults, found that both authoritarianism (r = +.46) and SDO (r = +.48) correlated highly (p < .001) with the intention to vote for Trump. Similarly, Van Assche and Pettigrew (2016) gathered another Mechanical Turk sample of 139 White American adults and found authoritarianism (r = +.47) and SDO (r = +.32) correlated highly (p < .001) with planning to vote for Trump. This consistency across these various studies is noteworthy because they employed different measures of the key predictor variables. The first two of the studies cited above employed Feldman’s political science measure of authoritarianism, while the other two studies used standard social psychological items. </quote></quote> I like how you're accusing me of not reading the study when you can't even be bothered to read the posts in this very topic. I was specifically refuting the part of the study quoted by @COVxy , which you aren't even bothering to defend here, apparently. I take it you agree the MacWIlliams part is bullshit then? And I'm not impressed by a bunch of other half-baked sociology studies either. The writer of this study makes several false claims with a leftist slant, like that Nixon employed a southern strategy despite voting for all three Civil Rights Acts and how he desegregated 70% of the nations schools while LBJ oversaw only 10% of them being desegregated. It equates the Tea Party, a movement strictly about electing Constitutionalist politicians, to a bunch of European parties frequently described as Neo Nazi. Further it claims Ronald Reagan was being a racist for speaking about the importance of states rights "near where civil rights leaders were lynched", the implication being that these two things were related and that he supported the murders. This is obviously heavily biased. It was written so that regressives on Facebook and Leddit could have an academic-looking study to cite to try to end arguments with Trump supporters by hoping they wouldn't pay more attention to it than they themselves did. I've seen better arguments from Alex Jones, ffs.</quote> Alright @Mal_Fet I'll bite. Address the part I quoted in pretty much any of my posts and refute it. If you wanna have an actual discussion let's have one on the content itself.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mal_Fet 09/20/17 1:31:00 PM #61:	Zeeak4444 posted... Alright @Mal_Fet I'll bite. Address the part I quoted in pretty much any of my posts and refute it. The bit about how people vote based on what they want to be true rather than what the truth actually is? Yes, that's obviously the case. For most everybody across all spectrums. --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:886957418] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeeak4444 posted...</cite> <quote>Alright @Mal_Fet I'll bite. Address the part I quoted in pretty much any of my posts and refute it.</quote> The bit about how people vote based on what they want to be true rather than what the truth actually is? Yes, that's obviously the case. For most everybody across all spectrums.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 09/20/17 1:31:44 PM #62:	Mal_Fet posted... I like how you're accusing me of not reading the study when you can't even be bothered to read the posts in this very topic. No, I know exactly what you're doing, you're taking a single study that was cited out of the wealth of data cited and using your criticism of that study as an excuse not to read the rest. I think everyone understands that. But, as it turns out, that is not actually rational evidence based reasoning. It's just Mal bullshit. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:886957449] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote>I like how you're accusing me of not reading the study when you can't even be bothered to read the posts in this very topic. </quote> No, I know exactly what you're doing, you're taking a single study that was cited out of the wealth of data cited and using your criticism of that study as an excuse not to read the rest. I think everyone understands that. But, as it turns out, that is not actually rational evidence based reasoning. It's just Mal bullshit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeeak4444 09/20/17 1:33:27 PM #63:	Mal_Fet posted... Zeeak4444 posted... Alright @Mal_Fet I'll bite. Address the part I quoted in pretty much any of my posts and refute it. The bit about how people vote based on what they want to be true rather than what the truth actually is? Yes, that's obviously the case. For most everybody across all spectrums. So we agree? I'm not sure what you're getting at? I never said it was exclusive to one party and I never said it was the defining factor. Out of everything this is the best you came up with? I wanna hear your opinion on the actual claims not hear about your misunderstanding of what the claims are. --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X <cite>Zeeak4444 posted [p:886957544] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeeak4444 posted...</cite> <quote>Alright @Mal_Fet I'll bite. Address the part I quoted in pretty much any of my posts and refute it.</quote> The bit about how people vote based on what they want to be true rather than what the truth actually is? Yes, that's obviously the case. For most everybody across all spectrums.</quote> So we agree? I'm not sure what you're getting at? I never said it was exclusive to one party and I never said it was the defining factor. Out of everything this is the best you came up with? I wanna hear your opinion on the actual claims not hear about your misunderstanding of what the claims are.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 09/20/17 1:35:57 PM #64:	Also, you're blatantly incorrect about the MacWilliams citation: Political pollsters have missed this key component of Trump’s support because they simply don’t include questions about authoritarianism in their polls. In addition to the typical battery of demographic, horse race, thermometer-scale and policy questions, my poll asked a set of four simple survey questions that political scientists have employed since 1992 to measure inclination toward authoritarianism. These questions pertain to child-rearing: whether it is more important for the voter to have a child who is respectful or independent; obedient or self-reliant; well-behaved or considerate; and well-mannered or curious. Respondents who pick the first option in each of these questions are strongly authoritarian. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:886957665] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote>Also, you're blatantly incorrect about the MacWilliams citation: <quote>Political pollsters have missed this key component of Trump’s support because they simply don’t include questions about authoritarianism in their polls. In addition to the typical battery of demographic, horse race, thermometer-scale and policy questions, my poll asked a set of four simple survey questions that political scientists have employed since 1992 to measure inclination toward authoritarianism. These questions pertain to child-rearing: whether it is more important for the voter to have a child who is respectful or independent; obedient or self-reliant; well-behaved or considerate; and well-mannered or curious. Respondents who pick the first option in each of these questions are strongly authoritarian.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 09/20/17 1:37:30 PM #65:	COVxy posted... No, I know exactly what you're doing, you're taking a single study that was cited out of the wealth of data cited and using your criticism of that study as an excuse not to read the rest. I think everyone understands that. I was responding to the study @prettyprincess quoted. Once again, I like how you accuse me of not reading the study while you're not even capable of reading the posts in your own topic. And you're not even going to respond to all the lies the study contains, huh? Answer me this: Why should I, or anyone, believe a study that so blatantly lies in order to make the subject of its inquiry look as bad as possible? --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:886957758] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote>No, I know exactly what you're doing, you're taking a single study that was cited out of the wealth of data cited and using your criticism of that study as an excuse not to read the rest. I think everyone understands that. </quote> I was responding to the study @prettyprincess quoted. Once again, I like how you accuse me of not reading the study while you're not even capable of reading the posts in your own topic. And you're not even going to respond to all the lies the study contains, huh? Answer me this: Why should I, or anyone, believe a study that so blatantly lies in order to make the subject of its inquiry look as bad as possible?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 09/20/17 1:38:48 PM #66:	COVxy posted... Also, you're blatantly incorrect about the MacWilliams citation: Political pollsters have missed this key component of Trump’s support because they simply don’t include questions about authoritarianism in their polls. In addition to the typical battery of demographic, horse race, thermometer-scale and policy questions, my poll asked a set of four simple survey questions that political scientists have employed since 1992 to measure inclination toward authoritarianism. These questions pertain to child-rearing: whether it is more important for the voter to have a child who is respectful or independent; obedient or self-reliant; well-behaved or considerate; and well-mannered or curious. Respondents who pick the first option in each of these questions are strongly authoritarian. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:886957838] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote>Also, you're blatantly incorrect about the MacWilliams citation: <quote>Political pollsters have missed this key component of Trump’s support because they simply don’t include questions about authoritarianism in their polls. In addition to the typical battery of demographic, horse race, thermometer-scale and policy questions, my poll asked a set of four simple survey questions that political scientists have employed since 1992 to measure inclination toward authoritarianism. These questions pertain to child-rearing: whether it is more important for the voter to have a child who is respectful or independent; obedient or self-reliant; well-behaved or considerate; and well-mannered or curious. Respondents who pick the first option in each of these questions are strongly authoritarian.</quote></quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 09/20/17 1:40:23 PM #67:	Don't take one part of his article out of context right after accusing me of doing the same to the metastudy. Mal_Fet posted... Answer me this: Why should I, or anyone, believe a study that so blatantly lies in order to make the subject of its inquiry look as bad as possible? --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:886957932] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote>Don't take one part of his article out of context right after accusing me of doing the same to the metastudy. <cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote>Answer me this: Why should I, or anyone, believe a study that so blatantly lies in order to make the subject of its inquiry look as bad as possible?</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 09/20/17 1:41:29 PM #68:	Uhhh, you're the one criticizing that study for something it didn't do and then proclaiming the whole thing to be bullshit because it lied about that study, which it clearly didn't do! I'm pointing out that not only would it be a bullshit argument if it were true, but in addition to that your original claim isn't even true to begin with. Too ridiculous. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:886958003] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote>Uhhh, you're the one criticizing that study for something it didn't do and then proclaiming the whole thing to be bullshit because it lied about that study, which it clearly didn't do! I'm pointing out that not only would it be a bullshit argument if it were true, but in addition to that your original claim isn't even true to begin with. Too ridiculous.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
teepan95 09/20/17 1:41:54 PM #69:	Tag for later --- http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/1060-homework-helpers - come drop by! XCV - https://i.imgtc.com/eNQuMuo.png <cite>teepan95 posted [p:886958022] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote>Tag for later</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 09/20/17 1:44:32 PM #70:	Mal_Fet posted... I take it you agree the MacWIlliams part is bullshit then? I followed the links and didn't see anything about immigration. The way they said they constructed authoritarian is: my poll asked a set of four simple survey questions that political scientists have employed since 1992 to measure inclination toward authoritarianism. These questions pertain to child-rearing: whether it is more important for the voter to have a child who is respectful or independent; obedient or self-reliant; well-behaved or considerate; and well-mannered or curious. Respondents who pick the first option in each of these questions are strongly authoritarian. --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:886958175] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote> I take it you agree the MacWIlliams part is bullshit then?</quote> I followed the links and didn't see anything about immigration. The way they said they constructed authoritarian is: my poll asked a set of four simple survey questions that political scientists have employed since 1992 to measure inclination toward authoritarianism. These questions pertain to child-rearing: whether it is more important for the voter to have a child who is respectful or independent; obedient or self-reliant; well-behaved or considerate; and well-mannered or curious. Respondents who pick the first option in each of these questions are strongly authoritarian.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
prettyprincess 09/20/17 1:48:59 PM #71:	@Mal_Fet posted... I was responding to the study @prettyprincess quoted. Once again, I like how you accuse me of not reading the study while you're not even capable of reading the posts in your own topic. the part I quoted references two evaluations and was purely intended as a response to Mal_Fet posted... scar the 1 posted... This was never a criticism of Trump, and the context here is authoritarianism as a psychological syndrome, not with regards to policy. So how is Trump psychologically authoritarian because that wasn't what the overall study was attempting to assert or address --- And in an infinite regress, tell me, why is the pain of birth lighter borne than the pain of death? http://www.last.fm/user/followthegospel <cite>prettyprincess posted [p:886958401] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote><cite>@Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote>I was responding to the study @prettyprincess quoted. Once again, I like how you accuse me of not reading the study while you're not even capable of reading the posts in your own topic.</quote> the part I quoted references two evaluations and was purely intended as a response to <cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>scar the 1 posted...</cite><quote> This was never a criticism of Trump, and the context here is authoritarianism as a psychological syndrome, not with regards to policy.</quote> So how is Trump psychologically authoritarian</quote> because that wasn't what the overall study was attempting to assert or address</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 09/20/17 1:49:21 PM #72:	also you're not even honestly representing the part that you're erroneously referencing as being part of the construction of the authoritarian measurement A majority of Republican authoritarians in my poll also strongly supported Trump’s proposals to deport 11 million illegal immigrants, prohibit Muslims from entering the United States, shutter mosques and establish a nationwide database that track Muslims. is absolutely not the same thing as "stricter rules for muslims and enforce immigration laws as theyre written" --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:886958424] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote>also you're not even honestly representing the part that you're erroneously referencing as being part of the construction of the authoritarian measurement A majority of Republican authoritarians in my poll also strongly supported Trump’s proposals to deport 11 million illegal immigrants, prohibit Muslims from entering the United States, shutter mosques and establish a nationwide database that track Muslims. is absolutely not the same thing as "stricter rules for muslims and enforce immigration laws as theyre written"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 09/20/17 1:57:32 PM #73:	COVxy posted... Uhhh, you're the one criticizing that study for something it didn't do So it didn't equate immigration law and muslim bans as the primary examples of Trump supporters' authoritarianism? You sure about that? Now answer my question: Mal_Fet posted... Answer me this: Why should I, or anyone, believe a study that so blatantly lies in order to make the subject of its inquiry look as bad as possible? Balrog0 posted... you're not even honestly representing the part that you're erroneously referencing as being part of the construction of the authoritarian measurement A majority of Republican authoritarians in my poll also strongly supported Trump’s proposals to deport 11 million illegal immigrants, prohibit Muslims from entering the United States, shutter mosques and establish a nationwide database that track Muslims. is absolutely not the same thing as "stricter rules for muslims and enforce immigration laws as theyre written" Deporting people who immigrate illegally is the law as it is written. Executive orders written by former presidents are not laws. And I question anyone who thinks wanting a registry for people who believe in Islam (which I don't support) is authoritarian but wanting a registry of everyone who owns a firearm (which I also don't support) is not authoritarian, despite being one of Hillary's talking points that she made much more frequently than Trump suggesting he would register all muslims. And remember: this study is claiming that no other candidate correlates with authoritarian support based on that criteria. Another lie made by this writer, it seems. --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:886958897] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote>Uhhh, you're the one criticizing that study for something it didn't do </quote> So it didn't equate immigration law and muslim bans as the primary examples of Trump supporters' authoritarianism? You sure about that? Now answer my question: <cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote>Answer me this: Why should I, or anyone, believe a study that so blatantly lies in order to make the subject of its inquiry look as bad as possible?</quote> <cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote> you're not even honestly representing the part that you're erroneously referencing as being part of the construction of the authoritarian measurement A majority of Republican authoritarians in my poll also strongly supported Trump’s proposals to deport 11 million illegal immigrants, prohibit Muslims from entering the United States, shutter mosques and establish a nationwide database that track Muslims. is absolutely not the same thing as "stricter rules for muslims and enforce immigration laws as theyre written"</quote> Deporting people who immigrate illegally is the law as it is written. Executive orders written by former presidents are not laws. And I question anyone who thinks wanting a registry for people who believe in Islam (which I don't support) is authoritarian but wanting a registry of everyone who owns a firearm (which I also don't support) is not authoritarian, despite being one of Hillary's talking points that she made much more frequently than Trump suggesting he would register all muslims. And remember: this study is claiming that no other candidate correlates with authoritarian support based on that criteria. Another lie made by this writer, it seems.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 09/20/17 1:58:14 PM #74:	Mal_Fet posted... So it didn't equate immigration law and muslim bans as the primary examples of Trump supporters' authoritarianism? No they didn't. I cited the original paper for you. And so did Balrog. You are fucking wrong. End of story. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:886958944] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote>So it didn't equate immigration law and muslim bans as the primary examples of Trump supporters' authoritarianism? </quote> No they didn't. I cited the original paper for you. And so did Balrog. You are fucking wrong. End of story.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Milkman5 09/20/17 1:59:56 PM #75:	Do liberals really think this is real science? No wonder evangelicals think global warming is fake <cite>Milkman5 posted [p:886959034] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote>Do liberals really think this is real science? No wonder evangelicals think global warming is fake</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 09/20/17 2:04:26 PM #76:	Not gonna respond to you further til you respond to this Mal_Fet posted... Answer me this: Why should I, or anyone, believe a study that so blatantly lies in order to make the subject of its inquiry look as bad as possible? --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:886959293] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote>Not gonna respond to you further til you respond to this <cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote>Answer me this: Why should I, or anyone, believe a study that so blatantly lies in order to make the subject of its inquiry look as bad as possible?</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 09/20/17 2:04:47 PM #77:	Mal_Fet posted... Deporting people who immigrate illegally is the law as it is written. Executive orders written by former presidents are not laws. in a very narrowly construed way, maybe. the actual law gives illegal immigrants a hearing in court and a chance to apply for relief from deportation. so jumping to the end conclusion without that caveat is probably playing your hand a bit far. Mal_Fet posted... And I question anyone who thinks wanting a registry for people who believe in Islam (which I don't support) is authoritarian but wanting a registry of everyone who owns a firearm (which I also don't support) is not authoritarian, despite being one of Hillary's talking points that she made much more frequently than Trump suggesting he would register all muslims. ok. they said that hildawg was also a recipient of authoritarian support in the 2008 primary fyi Mal_Fet posted... And remember: this study is claiming that no other candidate correlates with authoritarian support based on that criteria. Another lie made by this writer, it seems. it isn't based on that criteria. the majority of authoritarian GOP supported those things, but that's not how they constructed the measurement of authoritarian they actually do this to separate out the "personality" authoritarians from the "political" authoritarians so taht they can see how one influecnes the other --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:886959308] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote>Deporting people who immigrate illegally is the law as it is written. Executive orders written by former presidents are not laws.</quote> in a very narrowly construed way, maybe. the actual law gives illegal immigrants a hearing in court and a chance to apply for relief from deportation. so jumping to the end conclusion without that caveat is probably playing your hand a bit far. <cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote>And I question anyone who thinks wanting a registry for people who believe in Islam (which I don't support) is authoritarian but wanting a registry of everyone who owns a firearm (which I also don't support) is not authoritarian, despite being one of Hillary's talking points that she made much more frequently than Trump suggesting he would register all muslims. </quote> ok. they said that hildawg was also a recipient of authoritarian support in the 2008 primary fyi <cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote>And remember: this study is claiming that no other candidate correlates with authoritarian support based on that criteria. Another lie made by this writer, it seems.</quote> it isn't based on that criteria. the majority of authoritarian GOP supported those things, but that's not how they constructed the measurement of authoritarian they actually do this to separate out the "personality" authoritarians from the "political" authoritarians so taht they can see how one influecnes the other</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
prettyprincess 09/20/17 2:07:03 PM #78:	Mal_Fet posted... And remember: this study is claiming that no other candidate correlates with authoritarian support based on that criteria. which portions led you to believe this exactly? --- And in an infinite regress, tell me, why is the pain of birth lighter borne than the pain of death? http://www.last.fm/user/followthegospel <cite>prettyprincess posted [p:886959429] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote>And remember: this study is claiming that no other candidate correlates with authoritarian support based on that criteria.</quote> which portions led you to believe this exactly?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 09/20/17 2:07:05 PM #79:	Mal_Fet posted... Answer me this: Why should I, or anyone, believe a study that so blatantly lies in order to make the subject of its inquiry look as bad as possible? The answer is that they didn't lie. Wow. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:886959431] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote>Answer me this: Why should I, or anyone, believe a study that so blatantly lies in order to make the subject of its inquiry look as bad as possible?</quote> The answer is that they didn't lie. Wow.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 09/20/17 2:09:30 PM #80:	Mal just just stop just do yourself a favor and stop this is getting downright painful to watch --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 http://i.imgur.com/mPvcy.png <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:886959583] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote>Mal just just stop just do yourself a favor and stop this is getting downright painful to watch</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wasserpanzer 09/20/17 2:11:30 PM #81:	scar the 1 posted... Mal_Fet posted... Authoritarianism is Aaaand already this departs from any actual criticism of Trump. Generally speaking, leaders who support gun rights, deregulate the private industry, want lower taxes, and don't pass authoritarian policies are not considered authoritarian. Fake study. This was never a criticism of Trump, and the context here is authoritarianism as a psychological syndrome, not with regards to policy. Yet again you've shown that you simply aren't equipped for scientific discourse. rekt --- Pineapples are in my head. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t92/muttley1211/bug.gif <cite>wasserpanzer posted [p:886959695] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote><cite>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><quote>Authoritarianism is </quote> Aaaand already this departs from any actual criticism of Trump. Generally speaking, leaders who support gun rights, deregulate the private industry, want lower taxes, and don't pass authoritarian policies are not considered authoritarian. Fake study.</quote> This was never a criticism of Trump, and the context here is authoritarianism as a psychological syndrome, not with regards to policy. Yet again you've shown that you simply aren't equipped for scientific discourse.</quote> rekt</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
prettyprincess 09/20/17 2:12:51 PM #82:	Mal_Fet posted... anyone who thinks...wanting a registry of everyone who owns a firearm...is not authoritarian, despite being one of Hillary's talking points I'm also curious who this is supposed to be targeting --- And in an infinite regress, tell me, why is the pain of birth lighter borne than the pain of death? http://www.last.fm/user/followthegospel <cite>prettyprincess posted [p:886959788] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote>anyone who thinks...wanting a registry of everyone who owns a firearm...is not authoritarian, despite being one of Hillary's talking points</quote> I'm also curious who this is supposed to be targeting</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 09/20/17 2:17:23 PM #83:	COVxy posted... Mal_Fet posted... Answer me this: Why should I, or anyone, believe a study that so blatantly lies in order to make the subject of its inquiry look as bad as possible? The answer is that they didn't lie. Wow. Read post 58 and get back to me. Doom_Art posted... Mal just Just post something meaningful in a topic for once in your life instead of constantly shitposting about me saying I hate both sides equally (which is false, the left is WAY worse than the right is). --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:886960002] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote>Answer me this: Why should I, or anyone, believe a study that so blatantly lies in order to make the subject of its inquiry look as bad as possible?</quote> The answer is that they didn't lie. Wow.</quote> Read post 58 and get back to me. <cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote>Mal just </quote> Just post something meaningful in a topic for once in your life instead of constantly shitposting about me saying I hate both sides equally (which is false, the left is WAY worse than the right is).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 09/20/17 2:21:30 PM #84:	Mal_Fet posted... I like how you're accusing me of not reading the study when you can't even be bothered to read the posts in this very topic. I was specifically refuting the part of the study YOU quoted, which you aren't even bothering to defend here, apparently. I take it you agree the MacWIlliams part is bullshit then? You don't understand the MacWilliams part. You severely misunderstood what that article was saying. In other words, you are the one who is lying here. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:886960216] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote>I like how you're accusing me of not reading the study when you can't even be bothered to read the posts in this very topic. I was specifically refuting the part of the study YOU quoted, which you aren't even bothering to defend here, apparently. I take it you agree the MacWIlliams part is bullshit then? </quote> You don't understand the MacWilliams part. You severely misunderstood what that article was saying. In other words, you are the one who is lying here.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Paragon21XX 09/20/17 2:24:05 PM #85:	COVxy posted... Also, you're blatantly incorrect about the MacWilliams citation: [...] These questions pertain to child-rearing: whether it is more important for the voter to have a child who is respectful or independent; obedient or self-reliant; well-behaved or considerate; and well-mannered or curious. Respondents who pick the first option in each of these questions are strongly authoritarian. That sounds like a loaded bullshit question with false dichotomies. --- Hmm... <cite>Paragon21XX posted [p:886960376] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote>Also, you're blatantly incorrect about the MacWilliams citation: <quote>[...] These questions pertain to child-rearing: whether it is more important for the voter to have a child who is respectful or independent; obedient or self-reliant; well-behaved or considerate; and well-mannered or curious. Respondents who pick the first option in each of these questions are strongly authoritarian.</quote></quote> That sounds like a loaded bullshit question with false dichotomies.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 09/20/17 2:25:24 PM #86:	COVxy posted... You don't understand the MacWilliams part. You severely misunderstood what that article was saying. In other words, you are the one who is lying here. MacWilliams uses supporting Immigration law and a travel ban and "muslim registry" as the definitive authoritarian positions of Trump supporters despite not being especially authoritarian laws, relatively speaking. The only conclusion that can be drawn here is that the basis they use to define authoritarianism is flawed. Now explain to me why the lies I pointed out in post 58 are not lies. I can't wait. --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:886960456] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote> You don't understand the MacWilliams part. You severely misunderstood what that article was saying. In other words, you are the one who is lying here.</quote> MacWilliams uses supporting Immigration law and a travel ban and "muslim registry" as the definitive authoritarian positions of Trump supporters despite not being especially authoritarian laws, relatively speaking. The only conclusion that can be drawn here is that the basis they use to define authoritarianism is flawed. Now explain to me why the lies I pointed out in post 58 are not lies. I can't wait.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 09/20/17 2:26:03 PM #87:	Paragon21XX posted... That sounds like a loaded bullshit question with false dichotomies. It's asking you to say which is MORE important, meaning a relative weighting. I can as you if you like chicago style pizza or ny style pizza more. Your answer gives me information about what type of food you prefer, even if you like both. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:886960487] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote><cite>Paragon21XX posted...</cite> <quote>That sounds like a loaded bullshit question with false dichotomies. </quote> It's asking you to say which is MORE important, meaning a relative weighting. I can as you if you like chicago style pizza or ny style pizza more. Your answer gives me information about what type of food you prefer, even if you like both.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeeak4444 09/20/17 2:27:07 PM #88:	Mal_Fet posted... COVxy posted... You don't understand the MacWilliams part. You severely misunderstood what that article was saying. In other words, you are the one who is lying here. MacWilliams uses supporting Immigration law and a travel ban and "muslim registry" as the definitive authoritarian positions of Trump supporters despite not being especially authoritarian laws, relatively speaking. The only conclusion that can be drawn here is that the basis they use to define authoritarianism is flawed. Now explain to me why the lies I pointed out in post 58 are not lies. I can't wait. We're still waiting for you to refute pretty much anything at all. --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X <cite>Zeeak4444 posted [p:886960557] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote> You don't understand the MacWilliams part. You severely misunderstood what that article was saying. In other words, you are the one who is lying here.</quote> MacWilliams uses supporting Immigration law and a travel ban and "muslim registry" as the definitive authoritarian positions of Trump supporters despite not being especially authoritarian laws, relatively speaking. The only conclusion that can be drawn here is that the basis they use to define authoritarianism is flawed. Now explain to me why the lies I pointed out in post 58 are not lies. I can't wait.</quote> We're still waiting for you to refute pretty much anything at all.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 09/20/17 2:27:30 PM #89:	Mal_Fet posted... MacWilliams uses supporting Immigration law and a travel ban and "muslim registry" as the definitive authoritarian positions of Trump supporters despite not being especially authoritarian laws, relatively speaking. The only conclusion that can be drawn here is that the basis they use to define authoritarianism is flawed. Now explain to me why the lies I pointed out in post 58 are not lies. I can't wait. How are the following questions related to immigration law and travel ban and the muslim registry: These questions pertain to child-rearing: whether it is more important for the voter to have a child who is respectful or independent; obedient or self-reliant; well-behaved or considerate; and well-mannered or curious. Respondents who pick the first option in each of these questions are strongly authoritarian. This is how they defined authoritarianism in that article, to be clear: the MacWilliams article that you're claiming to have defined it based on immigration laws, based on the these four questions. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:886960587] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote>MacWilliams uses supporting Immigration law and a travel ban and "muslim registry" as the definitive authoritarian positions of Trump supporters despite not being especially authoritarian laws, relatively speaking. The only conclusion that can be drawn here is that the basis they use to define authoritarianism is flawed. Now explain to me why the lies I pointed out in post 58 are not lies. I can't wait. </quote> How are the following questions related to immigration law and travel ban and the muslim registry: <quote>These questions pertain to child-rearing: whether it is more important for the voter to have a child who is respectful or independent; obedient or self-reliant; well-behaved or considerate; and well-mannered or curious. Respondents who pick the first option in each of these questions are strongly authoritarian.</quote> This is how they defined authoritarianism in that article, to be clear: the MacWilliams article that you're claiming to have defined it based on immigration laws, based on the these four questions.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 09/20/17 2:28:38 PM #90:	Mal_Fet posted... MacWilliams uses supporting Immigration law and a travel ban and "muslim registry" as the definitive authoritarian positions of Trump supporters despite not being especially authoritarian laws, relatively speaking. The only conclusion that can be drawn here is that the basis they use to define authoritarianism is flawed. This is not that complicated, are you trying to be purposefully dense? they said that the majority of Republicans who supported these things were authoritarians based on the survey questions. It also doesn't specifically talk about just those two narrow things, which I already pointed out to you and which you deflected with a "but Hilary" which doesnt even make sense since they specifically talk about how Hilary's support in 2008 was from authoritarians. If anything your framing just makes their case for them, since Trump got more authoritarian support even though the authoritarian Hildawg was also running. --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:886960642] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote>MacWilliams uses supporting Immigration law and a travel ban and "muslim registry" as the definitive authoritarian positions of Trump supporters despite not being especially authoritarian laws, relatively speaking. The only conclusion that can be drawn here is that the basis they use to define authoritarianism is flawed.</quote> This is not that complicated, are you trying to be purposefully dense? they said that the majority of Republicans who supported these things were authoritarians based on the survey questions. It also doesn't specifically talk about just those two narrow things, which I already pointed out to you and which you deflected with a "but Hilary" which doesnt even make sense since they specifically talk about how Hilary's support in 2008 was from authoritarians. If anything your framing just makes their case for them, since Trump got more authoritarian support even though the authoritarian Hildawg was also running.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 09/20/17 2:30:24 PM #91:	I mean, does that help at all? Let's say they're all authoritarians. Most presidents are. That doesn't make them equally authoritarian. Even if they don't have a track record of being authoritarian, they can talk like they are -- and if they do have the track record, they can pretend they aren't. This is about how voters perceive people, not necessarily how they personally or politically behave. --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:886960742] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote>I mean, does that help at all? Let's say they're all authoritarians. Most presidents are. That doesn't make them equally authoritarian. Even if they don't have a track record of being authoritarian, they can talk like they are -- and if they do have the track record, they can pretend they aren't. This is about how voters perceive people, not necessarily how they personally or politically behave.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 09/20/17 2:31:53 PM #92:	COVxy posted... This is how they defined authoritarianism in that article, Which is evidently a bad definition, given how he cites the muslim ban and deporting illegals as per the law as authoritarian stances. Now address the lies I point out in post 58, please. --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:886960837] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote>This is how they defined authoritarianism in that article,</quote> Which is evidently a bad definition, given how he cites the muslim ban and deporting illegals as per the law as authoritarian stances. Now address the lies I point out in post 58, please.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 09/20/17 2:32:20 PM #93:	You cannot be sincere here. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:886960867] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote>You cannot be sincere here.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 09/20/17 2:33:10 PM #94:	Mal_Fet posted... Which is evidently a bad definition, given how he cites the muslim ban and deporting illegals as per the law as authoritarian stances. why aren't they? Mal_Fet posted... Now address the lies I point out in post 58, please. what does what Nixon did in the senate have to do with pursuing the southern strategy as president? why are you ok with labeling parties that say they aren't nationalist as neo nazis but then only taking the tea party at their word that they aren't some nativist group? idgi --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:886960916] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote>Which is evidently a bad definition, given how he cites the muslim ban and deporting illegals as per the law as authoritarian stances. </quote> why aren't they? <cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote>Now address the lies I point out in post 58, please.</quote> what does what Nixon did in the senate have to do with pursuing the southern strategy as president? why are you ok with labeling parties that say they aren't nationalist as neo nazis but then only taking the tea party at their word that they aren't some nativist group? idgi</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeeak4444 09/20/17 2:33:50 PM #95:	COVxy posted... You cannot be sincere here. He probably is. At least he made it clear beyond doubt he doesn't understand half the shit he supposedly read and that he's not capable of discussing the content itself in any capacity. --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X <cite>Zeeak4444 posted [p:886960947] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote>You cannot be sincere here.</quote> He probably is. At least he made it clear beyond doubt he doesn't understand half the shit he supposedly read and that he's not capable of discussing the content itself in any capacity.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 09/20/17 2:34:23 PM #96:	in what world did something being "the law" make it not authoritarian? do you realize it was the law to capture runaway slaves and send them back to their home states evne if you lived in a state where black people were free? is that not authoritarian because it was the law? --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:886960976] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote>in what world did something being "the law" make it not authoritarian? do you realize it was the law to capture runaway slaves and send them back to their home states evne if you lived in a state where black people were free? is that not authoritarian because it was the law?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 09/20/17 2:35:03 PM #97:	the laws says you can't own guns in a lot of countries these countries are not authoritarian --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:886961017] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote>the laws says you can't own guns in a lot of countries these countries are not authoritarian</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 09/20/17 2:35:33 PM #98:	in some places, women can't show their faces legally not authoritarian, just the law --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:886961046] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote>in some places, women can't show their faces legally not authoritarian, just the law</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 09/20/17 2:36:45 PM #99:	didnt they pass a law in canada making it illegal to "misgender" a transgender individual? not authoritarian though since that is the law --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:886961119] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote>didnt they pass a law in canada making it illegal to "misgender" a transgender individual? not authoritarian though since that is the law</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 09/20/17 2:37:26 PM #100:	China doesn't let you have more than 2 kids authoritarian or just the law? you decide --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:886961160] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote>China doesn't let you have more than 2 kids authoritarian or just the law? you decide</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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