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NadYobWoc
09/20/17 2:46:17 PM
#101:


Haha wow man, that mal is really a dumb sack of shit.
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Mal_Fet
09/20/17 2:48:51 PM
#102:


Balrog0 posted...
why aren't they?

As I already explained: being against people coming into the country illegally and taking advantage of the country's benefits is no more authoritarian than wanting everyone to obey the speed limit.

And a muslim registry is no more authoritarian than wanting a firearm owner registry, which is something both Hillary and Obama supported despite both having "anti-authoritarian" supporters in their general election campaigns (as the study claims, ONLY Trump had a correlation with such supporters).

If the definition of authoritarianism was valid, it would have pegged Hillary and Obama supporters as authoritarian as well since one of the two real-world examples of authoritarianism he gives is equally applicable to them. It didn't though, so it's not.

what does what Nixon did in the senate have to do with pursuing the southern strategy as president?

On top of how the hell someone could successfully run a hypothetical southern strategy with a voting history like Nixon's, you're ignoring how as president Nixon desegregated schools, another questionable policy for someone trying to win over racist southerners. Not as if he did; Southern whites, especially poor southern whites, remained Democrat until the 80's.

why are you ok with labeling parties that say they aren't nationalist as neo nazis but then only taking the tea party at their word that they aren't some nativist group?

Who said they aren't nationalist? Nationalist =/= Nazi, but that's clearly the implication being made there then they compare the Tea Party (again, a movement that only served to elect Constitutionalists) to parties like the National Front.

And way to go for ignoring the Reagan part. As if that alone wasn't enough to doubt the validity of the study.
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Mal_Fet
09/20/17 2:52:59 PM
#103:


Balrog0 posted...
"'It's the law so it's not authoritarian' hurr hurr hurr"

Freedom of speech is a human right. Effective self defense is a human right. Being allowed to reproduce is a human right. Being allowed in the United States is not a human right.

Understand now?
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Balrog0
09/20/17 2:54:54 PM
#104:


Mal_Fet posted...
As I already explained: being against people coming into the country illegally and taking advantage of the country's benefits is no more authoritarian than wanting everyone to obey the speed limit.


I mean, I just gave a ton of examples of this being stupid reasoning. Civil asset forfeiture is legal. Jailing people up for putting harmless drugs in their bodies is the law. No libertarian worth anything would use this logic to justify a law as not being authoritarian simply because it is the law.

Mal_Fet posted...
And a muslim registry is no more authoritarian than wanting a firearm owner registry, which is something both Hillary and Obama supported despite both having "anti-authoritarian" supporters in their general election campaigns (as the study claims, ONLY Trump had a correlation with such supporters).


but that's still not all that they wanted to do. did hildawg and obama want to go to local NRA chapters and shut tehm down?

like I said, you can be more authoritarian than anotehr authoritarian.

Mal_Fet posted...
On top of how someone could successfully run a hypothetical southern strategy with a voting history like Nixon's, you're ignoring how as president Nixon desegregated schools, another questionable policy for someone trying to win over racist southerners. Not as if he did; Southern whites, especially poor southern whites, remained Democrat until the 80's.


school desegregation was because of a court decision; https://muse.jhu.edu/article/228396

"Nixon had to be hauled kicking and screaming into desegregation on a meaningful scale, and he did what he did not because it was right but because he had no choice."

Mal_Fet posted...
Who said they aren't nationalist? Nationalist =/= Nazi, but that's clearly the implication being made there then they compare the Tea Party (again, a movement that only served to elect Constitutionalists) to parties like the National Front.

and parties like UKIP? They didnt compare them to the BNP. That's why its weird you're not taking parties like the national front at their word but you are taking the tea party at theirs. Its not like the national front is openly nazis; marine le pen took pains to distance herself from the more controversial figures in the party's past for instance

and idk im still ignoring a lot less than u are
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Balrog0
09/20/17 2:55:54 PM
#105:


Mal_Fet posted...
Freedom of speech is a human right. Effective self defense is a human right. Being allowed to reproduce is a human right. Being allowed in the United States is not a human right.

Understand now?


oh ok so whatever mal fet considers authoritarain is and if he doesnt it isnt

gotcha
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Balrog0
09/20/17 2:56:32 PM
#106:


wait did you just IGNORE the fact that there was more to the authoritarian policy proposals than the restriction of immigration?

WOW.
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Mal_Fet
09/20/17 3:04:27 PM
#107:


Balrog0 posted...
I mean, I just gave a ton of examples of this being stupid reasoning. Civil asset forfeiture is legal. Jailing people up for putting harmless drugs in their bodies is the law. No libertarian worth anything would use this logic to justify a law as not being authoritarian simply because it is the law.

Correct. Libertarians would support a law only when it serves a just purpose. And controlling the border is one function of government that most all libertarians agree with.

but that's still not all that they wanted to do. did hildawg and obama want to go to local NRA chapters and shut tehm down?

They spoke about the NRA as if it were a villainous organization that doesn't care about the lives of children, so yeah basically.


school desegregation was because of a court decision; https://muse.jhu.edu/article/228396

"Nixon had to be hauled kicking and screaming into desegregation on a meaningful scale, and he did what he did not because it was right but because he had no choice."

So he did desegregate the schools, but he didn't really want to, therefore desegregating schools was supposed to appeal to racist southerners somehow.

You remember you're supposed to be arguing in favor of the idea that Nixon employed a Southern Strategy to get elected and garner support as president, right?

and parties like UKIP? They didnt compare them to the BNP. That's why its weird you're not taking parties like the national front at their word but you are taking the tea party at theirs.

Parties like the National Front have a racist reputation among leftists (and is a valid criticism of some of its members), and the Tea Party is indisputably more decent than they are. They're clearly attempting to make the Tea Party out to be like them even though all the Tea Party ever did was rally to get Constitutionalists elected. They do this because they have nothing to point to about the Tea Party that could prove they're racist, which is precisely the intent of this hack study.

and idk im still ignoring a lot less than u are

So you're gonna continue ignoring how this guy lied about Reagan. And you still expect anyone to be convinced by this article.

Ok then, just as long as we're both clear that as long as that lie goes unchecked the validity of this study is shot.
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COVxy
09/20/17 3:10:30 PM
#108:


Mal_Fet posted...
So you're gonna continue ignoring how this guy lied about Reagan.


I mean, are you arguing that he didn't give that speech or that it wasn't a dog whistle? Because the entire point of a dog whistle is for plausible deniability, so I mean, it's not like anyone is going to be able to argue one way or another definitively.

Not that any of your objections are to be taken seriously here, because all you've done is attack the political context of the article and not the actual content of the article itself, presumably because you don't really want to read it.
(As evident by the fact that you only pretended to read the MacWilliams article, or at least read it with so little care that you completely misunderstood the primary claims)
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Balrog0
09/20/17 3:14:11 PM
#109:


Mal_Fet posted...
They spoke about the NRA as if it were a villainous organization that doesn't care about the lives of children, so yeah basically.


lmfao
yeah, talking about something being bad is the same thing as saying the government should shut them down

could you be any more intellectually bankrupt?
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Paragon21XX
09/20/17 3:14:48 PM
#110:


COVxy posted...
Paragon21XX posted...
That sounds like a loaded bullshit question with false dichotomies.


It's asking you to say which is MORE important, meaning a relative weighting.

I can as you if you like chicago style pizza or ny style pizza more. Your answer gives me information about what type of food you prefer, even if you like both.

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Mal_Fet
09/20/17 3:15:47 PM
#111:


COVxy posted...
I mean, are you arguing that he didn't give that speech or that it wasn't a dog whistle?

The latter.

Because the entire point of a dog whistle is for plausible deniability, so I mean, it's not like anyone is going to be able to argue one way or another definitively.

Unless you're under the impression that "state's rights" trumps the Federal law against murder, it was not a "dog whistle".

The dog whistle by the way has to be one of the most dishonest concepts the left has ever come up with. "No, nothing about what you said is racist nor is it related to race in any fashion, but it's dog whistle racism because I am a mind reader and can tell what you 'really' mean!"
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COVxy
09/20/17 3:16:06 PM
#112:


Paragon21XX posted...

I mean, relative weightings are probably more important and accurate than absolute weightings. Anchoring someone in a comparison is a good way to standardize.
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Mal_Fet
09/20/17 3:19:14 PM
#113:


Balrog0 posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
They spoke about the NRA as if it were a villainous organization that doesn't care about the lives of children, so yeah basically.


lmfao
yeah, talking about something being bad is the same thing as saying the government should shut them down

could you be any more intellectually bankrupt?

Good job: you accused me of ignoring more than you are and here you are only responding to one line out of my entire post.

And for the record, yes Obama did try to shut down conservative groups he didn't like by using the IRS as a weapon to attempt to bankrupt them.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/judicial-watch-new-irs-documents-used-donor-lists-to-target-audits/

So once again, if Trump supporters are authoritarian according to this study, why aren't Obama's supporters as well?
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Balrog0
09/20/17 3:24:13 PM
#114:


Mal_Fet posted...
Good job: you accused me of ignoring more than you are and here you are only responding to one line out of my entire post.


yeah, why shouldn't we be on an even playing field? I've given you several chances to respond to some facets of my points and you continue to refuse. Im not gonna put in more work than you are (and I already responded to most of the rest in past posts anyway)



Mal_Fet posted...
And for the record, yes Obama did try to shut down conservative groups he didn't like by using the IRS as a weapon to attempt to bankrupt them.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/judicial-watch-new-irs-documents-used-donor-lists-to-target-audits/


so setting aside the fact that this is far from an open and shut case of Obama doing anything

you really consider this equally authoritarian to closing down peoples churches just because of their religion? at best this would weed out groups that are breaking laws regarding nonprofits. it isnt great but, you know, going by your own law-following ways its just following the law as written to shut down partisan nonprofits that are not behaving appropriately



Mal_Fet posted...
So once again, if Trump supporters are authoritarian according to this study, why aren't Obama's supporters as well?


because the alternatives were more authoritarian?

Balrog0 posted...
mean, does that help at all? Let's say they're all authoritarians. Most presidents are. That doesn't make them equally authoritarian. Even if they don't have a track record of being authoritarian, they can talk like they are -- and if they do have the track record, they can pretend they aren't. This is about how voters perceive people, not necessarily how they personally or politically behave.

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Zeeak4444
09/20/17 3:24:26 PM
#115:


Mal_Fet posted...
Balrog0 posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
They spoke about the NRA as if it were a villainous organization that doesn't care about the lives of children, so yeah basically.


lmfao
yeah, talking about something being bad is the same thing as saying the government should shut them down

could you be any more intellectually bankrupt?

Good job: you accused me of ignoring more than you are and here you are only responding to one line out of my entire post.

And for the record, yes Obama did try to shut down conservative groups he didn't like by using the IRS as a weapon to attempt to bankrupt them.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/judicial-watch-new-irs-documents-used-donor-lists-to-target-audits/

So once again, if Trump supporters are authoritarian according to this study, why aren't Obama's supporters as well?


Go do your own study in that case Mal.

Stop trying to discredit this one on the sole basis that it didn't target the other group.

No ones stopping you from going out and doing your own study.
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BLAKUboy
09/20/17 3:25:46 PM
#116:


I yearn for the day CE doesn't take the bait of such obvious trolls every single time they post.
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hortanz
09/20/17 3:32:17 PM
#117:


BLAKUboy posted...
I yearn for the day CE doesn't take the bait of such obvious trolls every single time they post.


This board would be dead
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Mal_Fet
09/20/17 3:38:00 PM
#118:


Balrog0 posted...
yeah, why shouldn't we be on an even playing field? I've given you several chances to respond to some facets of my points and you continue to refuse. Im not gonna put in more work than you are (and I already responded to most of the rest in past posts anyway)

Mal_Fet posted...
Ok then, just as long as we're both clear that as long as that lie goes unchecked the validity of this study is shot.


so setting aside the fact that this is far from an open and shut case of Obama doing anything

It's an open-and-shut case of Obama being responsible for it.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwood/2015/07/23/19-facts-on-irs-targeting-president-obama-cant-blame-on-republicans/#2bd7f44e31f2

you really consider this equally authoritarian to closing down peoples churches just because of their religion?

Yes. I see no relevant difference between your politics and your religion. At least politics have a tangible effect on reality.

And malicious audits will not only cause problems for nonprofits that are actually guilty. Anyone who's dealt with an audit before would know that.

because the alternatives were more authoritarian?

Disagreed, for the reasons I've already stated.

Once again, the fact that Trump supporters get pinged as authoritarian despite other candidates having more authoritarian policies proves beyond any real doubt that there's some issues with how they're defining authoritarianism.

As if it's a surprise that the largely-leftist field of sociology has a definition of authoritarian that magically doesn't apply to them.
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Balrog0
09/20/17 3:39:43 PM
#119:


Mal_Fet posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
Ok then, just as long as we're both clear that as long as that lie goes unchecked the validity of this study is shot.


you were gonna think that regardless
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DarkPink
09/20/17 3:44:40 PM
#120:


Kineth posted...
DarkPink posted...
Kineth posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...
Doom_Art posted...
Mal is sure pretty defensive for someone who hates both sides equally


Lmfao no way he actually claims this.


I remember him saying it before along with him saying he's a Libertarian. But really I think he's just scared to openly say he's a republican.


He's Australian.


what?


Mal_Fet is Australian.


I meant what does that have to do with it. however i will note that every australian ive seen on this board is either a complete troll a weirdo predator
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Mal_Fet
09/20/17 3:58:59 PM
#121:


Balrog0 posted...
you were gonna think that regardless

Because the author is unquestionably a liar, yes. And if you could dispute that, you would.
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Mal_Fet
09/20/17 4:02:18 PM
#122:


DarkPink posted...
I meant what does that have to do with it. however i will note that every australian ive seen on this board is either a complete troll a weirdo predator

Croikee mate woi ye gottaa take the piss loike that ey
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Balrog0
09/20/17 4:02:29 PM
#123:


you are unquestionably an idiot or the most insincere person on ce
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literal_garbage
09/20/17 4:03:06 PM
#124:


Balrog0 posted...
you are unquestionably an idiot or the most insincere person on ce

The two often go hand in hand
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prettyprincess
09/20/17 4:04:52 PM
#125:


Mal_Fet posted...
And for the record, yes Obama did try to shut down conservative groups he didn't like by using the IRS as a weapon to attempt to bankrupt them.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/judicial-watch-new-irs-documents-used-donor-lists-to-target-audits/

So once again, if Trump supporters are authoritarian according to this study, why aren't Obama's supporters as well?

this seems like a fundamental misreading of the original study+its intent and is instead just a reaction to the perceived insult you'd like placed elsewhere

the study doesn't label Trump supporters as authoritarian for supporting Trump, it seeks to examine them at large and then asserts the finding that they are largely authoritarian separately
it notes both that the sentiment exists prior to Trump's rise, and that it can be found within the left as well:
In the United States, Republicans began averaging higher on authoritarianism than Democrats before the rise of Trump (Hetherington & Weiler, 2009).

Though found among left-wingers (e.g., Dusso, 2017), authoritarianism is more numerous among right-wingers throughout the world (Meloen, 1993).

this neither seeks to claim that any action Trump takes is inherently authoritarian, nor does it is exempt left candidates/past presidents from also engaging in authoritarian actions or policies; rather, it ultimately suggests Trump's intent was to purposefully capture that base

the key difference here being that, while not exempt from examples of authoritarian leanings or policy support, Obama's supporters rooted their support despite instances of authoritarianism and without that being held as the primary motivator for support, while Trump's supporters instead met him at the common ground between their authoritarian leanings and his language
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weapon_d00d816
09/20/17 4:09:05 PM
#126:


I don't know why this needed a psychological analysis. It's all pretty obvious, especially when his supporters constantly tell you what it is they like about him.

A much more interesting and needed analysis would be one of hardcore SJW types and what exactly makes them have such a purposefully contrarian view against their own groups to the point of hostility and what exactly nurtures this culture of "virtue bandwagoning".

Not that I don't hate Trump and his supporters, it's just that nationalism, xenophobia, and authoritarianism are all very blunt and obvious things, while the inner workings of SJWs are much more mysterious.
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COVxy
09/20/17 4:13:14 PM
#127:


weapon_d00d816 posted...
I don't know why this needed a psychological analysis. It's all pretty obvious, especially when his supporters constantly tell you what it is they like about him.


I mean, the idea of a working class revolution is a narrative that is very much still active, despite being pretty damn false.
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GFaceKillah1280
09/20/17 4:15:58 PM
#128:


I like Mal's shtick of arguing relentlessly despite the repeated proofs of his blatant misunderstanding.
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Mal_Fet
09/20/17 4:27:20 PM
#129:


Balrog0 posted...
you are unquestionably an idiot or the most insincere person on ce

Ya got nothing, huh?

Thought so.
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Mal_Fet
09/20/17 4:29:08 PM
#130:


prettyprincess posted...
the study doesn't label Trump supporters as authoritarian for supporting Trump, it seeks to examine them at large and then asserts the finding that they are largely authoritarian

I'm aware of what the study claims, thanks. But clearly their definition of "authoritarian" is bogus.
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Zeeak4444
09/20/17 4:34:32 PM
#131:


Mal_Fet posted...
prettyprincess posted...
the study doesn't label Trump supporters as authoritarian for supporting Trump, it seeks to examine them at large and then asserts the finding that they are largely authoritarian

I'm aware of what the study claims, thanks. But clearly their definition of "authoritarian" is bogus.


Proof?
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Balrog0
09/20/17 4:40:33 PM
#132:


Mal_Fet posted...
Balrog0 posted...
you are unquestionably an idiot or the most insincere person on ce

Ya got nothing, huh?

Thought so.


lmfao yeah totally you got me by not responding to my points and ignoring them when you did

you used to be a halfway decent shitposter
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Kineth
09/20/17 4:47:10 PM
#133:


Balrog0 posted...
you used to be a halfway decent shitposter


That's just not true.
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Mal_Fet
09/20/17 4:47:15 PM
#134:


Balrog0 posted...
lmfao yeah totally you got me by not responding to my points and ignoring them when you did

Projecting.
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Zeeak4444
09/20/17 4:47:46 PM
#135:


Kineth posted...
Balrog0 posted...
you used to be a halfway decent shitposter


That's just not true.

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Balrog0
09/20/17 4:48:16 PM
#136:


nah
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Mal_Fet
09/20/17 4:55:38 PM
#137:


GFaceKillah1280 posted...
I like Mal's shtick of arguing relentlessly despite the repeated proofs of his blatant misunderstanding.

Citing the study as proof it isn't bullshit is like a creationist citing the Bible as proof Genesis isn't bullshit.
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hortanz
09/20/17 4:58:31 PM
#138:


mal you're going to regret all the opportunities you missed in undergrad because you opted to shitpost on a dying videogame board instead
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Doom_Art
09/20/17 5:11:10 PM
#139:


Lol Mal got wrecked

But still that was a bit sad to read.

He's either so stubborn/deluded he thinks he's right

Or he's insanely dedicated to the bit.
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Zeeak4444
09/20/17 5:14:51 PM
#140:


hortanz posted...
mal you're going to regret all the opportunities you missed in undergrad because you opted to shitpost on a dying videogame board instead


To be honest I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't a choice. No one wants to be around him so it's really all he's got.
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COVxy
09/20/17 7:01:46 PM
#142:


0Acqiky

Think I found a Mal alt.
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Mal_Fet
09/20/17 7:15:37 PM
#143:


So not a single one of you is gonna address the inconsistencies and lies in the study then.

Instead the TC is going to pretend I have an alt rather than adress anything I've said past page 3.

Yep, you're done.
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Guide
09/20/17 8:00:06 PM
#144:


Mal_Fet posted...
So not a single one of you is gonna address the inconsistencies and lies in the study then.

Instead the TC is going to pretend I have an alt rather than adress anything I've said past page 3.

Yep, you're done.


There's nothing inconsistent. You're backpedaling because your initial interpretation was a dumb snap judgement instead of any real attempt at comprehension.
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Mal_Fet
09/20/17 8:04:29 PM
#145:


Guide posted...
There's nothing inconsistent. You're backpedaling because your initial interpretation

Which was that their idea of what an authoritarian is is complete nonsense.

And it still is.
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Mal_Fet
09/20/17 8:11:33 PM
#147:


shockthemonkey posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
So not a single one of you is gonna address the inconsistencies and lies in the study then.

Instead the TC is going to pretend I have an alt rather than adress anything I've said past page 3.

Yep, you're done.

Every literate person can see exactly how deep into your ass you've been reaching and you're so desperate for attention that you'll keep going with this shit ad nauseam if anyone engages you. We've seen your schtick, we know it's worthless, and everyone already gave you a chance to make sense in this topic and you chose not to.

You say, in defense of a study that spreads easily-debunkable lies.

Why do this? Why place your ego behind this trash?
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Zeeak4444
09/20/17 8:15:45 PM
#149:


tote_all posted...
Why is Mal still arguing in this topic after the embarrassingly high number of posts he made without realizing the study wasn't about Trump?


Effort justification.

COVxy posted...
0Acqiky

Think I found a Mal alt.


Good shit fam. Also good luck with the dissertation breh.
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Mal_Fet
09/20/17 8:29:49 PM
#150:


tote_all posted...
Why is Mal still arguing in this topic

Everyone stopped arguing after I pointed out specific lies in the study.

I'm now just commenting on how little this gang of leftists has left in defense of it and how you think a flaming me affects me at all.
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