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COVxy 09/19/17 9:19:38 PM #1:	https://jspp.psychopen.eu/article/view/750/html Seems like an interesting read. Gonna read through it now, but the relative deprivation section is very interesting. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:886920546] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote>https://jspp.psychopen.eu/article/view/750/html Seems like an interesting read. Gonna read through it now, but the relative deprivation section is very interesting.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeeak4444 09/19/17 9:25:42 PM #2:	Abstract was intriguing. I'll read through it now too. --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X <cite>Zeeak4444 posted [p:886920856] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote>Abstract was intriguing. I'll read through it now too.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ShinigamiSoul 09/19/17 9:27:37 PM #3:	Too much reading for me, Mr science Give me the skinny @COVxy --- I dont want a sig! <cite>ShinigamiSoul posted [p:886920967] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote>Too much reading for me, Mr science Give me the skinny @COVxy</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
C_Pain 09/19/17 9:29:03 PM #4:	Fake science The author has no funding to report. SAD --- http://i.imgur.com/xZhZpdR.png How quaint. <cite>C_Pain posted [p:886921031] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote>Fake science The author has no funding to report. SAD</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 09/19/17 9:51:21 PM #5:	ShinigamiSoul posted... Important parts quoted below: Authoritarianism is an intensely studied syndrome the effects of which are surprisingly consistent across the globe (Adorno, Frenkel-Brunswik, Levinson, & Sanford, 1950; Allport, 1954; Altemeyer, 1981, 1988, 1996). Several traits characterize the syndrome: deference to authority, aggression toward outgroups, a rigidly hierarchical view of the world, and resistance to new experience. Authoritarianism is typically triggered by threat and fear (Feldman & Stenner, 1997; Stenner, 2005), and authoritarians tend to view the world as a very dangerous and threatening place (Allport, 1954). ... [Social Dominance Orientation] is closely related to authoritarianism but clearly separable (Duckitt & Sibley, 2007; Sidanius & Pratto, 2001). It features an individual's preference for the societal hierarchy of groups and domination over lower-status groups. It represents a predisposition toward anti-egalitarianism within and between groups. Individuals who score high in SDO are typically dominant, driven, tough-minded, disagreeable, and relatively uncaring seekers of power. They believe in a “dog-eat-dog” world, and they report being motivated by self-interest and self-indulgence (Levin, Federico, Sidanius, & Rabinowitz, 2002). ... Not surprisingly, recent work reveals that Trump supporters tend to be especially high scorers on both scales. Eight months prior to the election, MacWilliams (2016) relied on his survey finding - that high authoritarians were strongly in favor of Trump - to predict correctly that routine election surveys were sharply underestimating Trump’s support. During the presidential primaries in February 2016, Feldman (in press) also found a significant positive relationship between authoritarianism and favorable evaluations of Trump among Republicans. Indeed, none of the evaluations of the other primary candidates revealed such a connection. In agreement, Choma and Hanoch (2017), analyzing data from a Mechanical Turk sample of 406 American adults, found that both authoritarianism (r = +.46) and SDO (r = +.48) correlated highly (p < .001) with the intention to vote for Trump. Similarly, Van Assche and Pettigrew (2016) gathered another Mechanical Turk sample of 139 White American adults and found authoritarianism (r = +.47) and SDO (r = +.32) correlated highly (p < .001) with planning to vote for Trump. This consistency across these various studies is noteworthy because they employed different measures of the key predictor variables. The first two of the studies cited above employed Feldman’s political science measure of authoritarianism, while the other two studies used standard social psychological items. The last two studies also employed somewhat different SDO items.Not surprisingly, recent work reveals that Trump supporters tend to be especially high scorers on both scales. Eight months prior to the election, MacWilliams (2016) relied on his survey finding - that high authoritarians were strongly in favor of Trump - to predict correctly that routine election surveys were sharply underestimating Trump’s support. During the presidential primaries in February 2016, Feldman (in press) also found a significant positive relationship between authoritarianism and favorable evaluations of Trump among Republicans. Indeed, none of the evaluations of the other primary candidates revealed such a connection. In agreement, Choma and Hanoch (2017), analyzing data from a Mechanical Turk sample of 406 American adults, found that both authoritarianism (r = +.46) and SDO (r = +.48) correlated highly (p < .001) with the intention to vote for Trump. Similarly, Van Assche and Pettigrew (2016) gathered another Mechanical Turk sample of 139 White American adults and found authoritarianism (r = +.47) and SDO (r = +.32) correlated highly (p < .001) with planning to vote for Trump. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:886922373] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote><cite>ShinigamiSoul posted...</cite> Important parts quoted below: <quote>Authoritarianism is an intensely studied syndrome the effects of which are surprisingly consistent across the globe (Adorno, Frenkel-Brunswik, Levinson, & Sanford, 1950; Allport, 1954; Altemeyer, 1981, 1988, 1996). Several traits characterize the syndrome: deference to authority, aggression toward outgroups, a rigidly hierarchical view of the world, and resistance to new experience. Authoritarianism is typically triggered by threat and fear (Feldman & Stenner, 1997; Stenner, 2005), and authoritarians tend to view the world as a very dangerous and threatening place (Allport, 1954). ... [Social Dominance Orientation] is closely related to authoritarianism but clearly separable (Duckitt & Sibley, 2007; Sidanius & Pratto, 2001). It features an individual's preference for the societal hierarchy of groups and domination over lower-status groups. It represents a predisposition toward anti-egalitarianism within and between groups. Individuals who score high in SDO are typically dominant, driven, tough-minded, disagreeable, and relatively uncaring seekers of power. They believe in a “dog-eat-dog” world, and they report being motivated by self-interest and self-indulgence (Levin, Federico, Sidanius, & Rabinowitz, 2002). ... Not surprisingly, recent work reveals that Trump supporters tend to be especially high scorers on both scales. Eight months prior to the election, MacWilliams (2016) relied on his survey finding - that high authoritarians were strongly in favor of Trump - to predict correctly that routine election surveys were sharply underestimating Trump’s support. During the presidential primaries in February 2016, Feldman (in press) also found a significant positive relationship between authoritarianism and favorable evaluations of Trump among Republicans. Indeed, none of the evaluations of the other primary candidates revealed such a connection. In agreement, Choma and Hanoch (2017), analyzing data from a Mechanical Turk sample of 406 American adults, found that both authoritarianism (r = +.46) and SDO (r = +.48) correlated highly (p < .001) with the intention to vote for Trump. Similarly, Van Assche and Pettigrew (2016) gathered another Mechanical Turk sample of 139 White American adults and found authoritarianism (r = +.47) and SDO (r = +.32) correlated highly (p < .001) with planning to vote for Trump. This consistency across these various studies is noteworthy because they employed different measures of the key predictor variables. The first two of the studies cited above employed Feldman’s political science measure of authoritarianism, while the other two studies used standard social psychological items. The last two studies also employed somewhat different SDO items.Not surprisingly, recent work reveals that Trump supporters tend to be especially high scorers on both scales. Eight months prior to the election, MacWilliams (2016) relied on his survey finding - that high authoritarians were strongly in favor of Trump - to predict correctly that routine election surveys were sharply underestimating Trump’s support. During the presidential primaries in February 2016, Feldman (in press) also found a significant positive relationship between authoritarianism and favorable evaluations of Trump among Republicans. Indeed, none of the evaluations of the other primary candidates revealed such a connection. In agreement, Choma and Hanoch (2017), analyzing data from a Mechanical Turk sample of 406 American adults, found that both authoritarianism (r = +.46) and SDO (r = +.48) correlated highly (p < .001) with the intention to vote for Trump. Similarly, Van Assche and Pettigrew (2016) gathered another Mechanical Turk sample of 139 White American adults and found authoritarianism (r = +.47) and SDO (r = +.32) correlated highly (p < .001) with planning to vote for Trump.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 09/19/17 9:51:24 PM #6:	Prejudice ... Trump is less subtle. He has repeatedly made unconcealed use of prejudice against outgroups ranging from “dangerous” Muslims to Mexican “rapists.” His dedicated followers loved it; breaking with so-called “political correctness,” he blared openly what they had been saying privately. Not surprisingly, then, support for Trump correlates highly with a standard scale of modern racism (r = +.48; Van Assche & Pettigrew, 2016). And once again a European study is congruent with this American finding. Billiet and De Witte (2008) found that prejudice against immigrants was the single most important predictor of support for the far-right Vlamms Blok Party in Flemish Belgium. Data from France’s 2012 presidential election strongly indicates that the racist National Front campaign of Marine Le Pen moved perceptions of social norms to the political right (Portelinha & Elcheroth, 2016). It appears that Trump, too, has eroded norms that proscribed intolerant speech and behavior. Racist graffiti, threats and hate crimes all rose sharply following Trump’s election victory (Reilly, 2016). Intergroup Contact ... A major means of reducing intergroup prejudice is through optimal intergroup contact (Pettigrew, 1998; Pettigrew & Tropp, 2006, 2011). So it is noteworthy that there is growing evidence that Trump’s White supporters have experienced far less contact with minorities than other Americans. For instance, Rothwell and Diego-Rosell (2016, p. 14) found that “...the racial and ethnic isolation of Whites at the zip-code level is one of the strongest predictors of Trump support.” This finding remains true for both non-Hispanic Whites in general and for the smaller subset of White Republicans. And this lack of intergroup contact result emerges while controlling for dozens of other variables. Consistent with this finding, these researchers also found that Trump support increased as an area’s distance from the Mexican border increased. Throughout the world, intergroup contact has been shown typically to diminish prejudice by reducing intergroup fear and inducing empathy (Pettigrew & Tropp, 2008, 2011). Its extreme absence for most Trump fans is an important factor that has been virtually ignored in the post-election analyses. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:886922376] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote><quote>Prejudice ... Trump is less subtle. He has repeatedly made unconcealed use of prejudice against outgroups ranging from “dangerous” Muslims to Mexican “rapists.” His dedicated followers loved it; breaking with so-called “political correctness,” he blared openly what they had been saying privately. Not surprisingly, then, support for Trump correlates highly with a standard scale of modern racism (r = +.48; Van Assche & Pettigrew, 2016). And once again a European study is congruent with this American finding. Billiet and De Witte (2008) found that prejudice against immigrants was the single most important predictor of support for the far-right Vlamms Blok Party in Flemish Belgium. Data from France’s 2012 presidential election strongly indicates that the racist National Front campaign of Marine Le Pen moved perceptions of social norms to the political right (Portelinha & Elcheroth, 2016). It appears that Trump, too, has eroded norms that proscribed intolerant speech and behavior. Racist graffiti, threats and hate crimes all rose sharply following Trump’s election victory (Reilly, 2016). Intergroup Contact ... A major means of reducing intergroup prejudice is through optimal intergroup contact (Pettigrew, 1998; Pettigrew & Tropp, 2006, 2011). So it is noteworthy that there is growing evidence that Trump’s White supporters have experienced far less contact with minorities than other Americans. For instance, Rothwell and Diego-Rosell (2016, p. 14) found that “...the racial and ethnic isolation of Whites at the zip-code level is one of the strongest predictors of Trump support.” This finding remains true for both non-Hispanic Whites in general and for the smaller subset of White Republicans. And this lack of intergroup contact result emerges while controlling for dozens of other variables. Consistent with this finding, these researchers also found that Trump support increased as an area’s distance from the Mexican border increased. Throughout the world, intergroup contact has been shown typically to diminish prejudice by reducing intergroup fear and inducing empathy (Pettigrew & Tropp, 2008, 2011). Its extreme absence for most Trump fans is an important factor that has been virtually ignored in the post-election analyses.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 09/19/17 9:52:42 PM #7:	Relative Deprivation The principal media explanation for explaining Trump’s followers involves economics. Trump loyalists were assumed to have lost their jobs to Mexico and China and to be understandably angry. Little mention was made of the major reason for massive job losses – the accelerating pace of automation. ... Undoubtedly, this media caricature fits some followers, especially in the swing states of Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. But this contention does not provide the major explanation for Trump’s support. The argument lost much of its credence when Silver (2016) estimated that the median annual income of Trump supporters was a solid $72,000. The most impressive and extensive study of voting intentions later provided an estimate of $81,898 for Trump backers’ mean household income. Instead of being far poorer than Clinton voters, this figure was slightly above the $77,046 for those who had an unfavorable view of Trump (Rothwell & Diego-Rosell, 2016). Rothwell and Diego-Rosell (2016) analyzed in detail the individual and geographic data of 125,000 American adults who had answered Gallup survey phone calls during the long election period. Many of their results challenge the widespread view of Trump supporters. Trump followers were less likely than others to be looking for work, unemployed or part-time employed. And those voters living in districts with more manufacturing were actually less favorable to Trump. Nor were his followers largely living and working in postal areas where employment in manufacturing had declined since 1990. Underlying these results is the fact that blue-collar Trump supporters tend to work in occupations that are largely shielded from Chinese and Mexican competition – transportation, repair, and construction (Rothwell & Diego-Rosell, 2016). To be sure, social mobility has been declining in the United States. Contrary to the popular too-simple theory, however, people who live in areas with greater mobility voted more Republican (Campante & Yanagizawa-Drott, 2016). This was even true in the crucial “swing states,” and it is a trend that can be detected in other recent elections. But these findings do not mean that social class and economics played no role whatsoever in this tight election. Instead of absolute deprivation, social psychologists stress the importance of relative deprivation. Disappointing comparisons to relevant referents is often more significant than factual changes (Pettigrew, 2015, 2016; Smith, Pettigrew, Pippin, & Bialosiewicz, 2012). What voters think is true is more important in elections than the actual truth. Trump adherents feel deprived relative to what they expected to possess at this point in their lives and relative to what they erroneously perceive other “less deserving” groups have acquired. Rapidly rising costs of housing and prescription drugs have aggravated their financial concerns. Their savings may not allow the type of ideal retirements they had long envisioned. And hopes for their children advancing beyond their status and going to college are being dashed by rising tuitions. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:886922471] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote><quote>Relative Deprivation The principal media explanation for explaining Trump’s followers involves economics. Trump loyalists were assumed to have lost their jobs to Mexico and China and to be understandably angry. Little mention was made of the major reason for massive job losses – the accelerating pace of automation. ... Undoubtedly, this media caricature fits some followers, especially in the swing states of Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. But this contention does not provide the major explanation for Trump’s support. The argument lost much of its credence when Silver (2016) estimated that the median annual income of Trump supporters was a solid $72,000. The most impressive and extensive study of voting intentions later provided an estimate of $81,898 for Trump backers’ mean household income. Instead of being far poorer than Clinton voters, this figure was slightly above the $77,046 for those who had an unfavorable view of Trump (Rothwell & Diego-Rosell, 2016). Rothwell and Diego-Rosell (2016) analyzed in detail the individual and geographic data of 125,000 American adults who had answered Gallup survey phone calls during the long election period. Many of their results challenge the widespread view of Trump supporters. Trump followers were less likely than others to be looking for work, unemployed or part-time employed. And those voters living in districts with more manufacturing were actually less favorable to Trump. Nor were his followers largely living and working in postal areas where employment in manufacturing had declined since 1990. Underlying these results is the fact that blue-collar Trump supporters tend to work in occupations that are largely shielded from Chinese and Mexican competition – transportation, repair, and construction (Rothwell & Diego-Rosell, 2016). To be sure, social mobility has been declining in the United States. Contrary to the popular too-simple theory, however, people who live in areas with greater mobility voted more Republican (Campante & Yanagizawa-Drott, 2016). This was even true in the crucial “swing states,” and it is a trend that can be detected in other recent elections. But these findings do not mean that social class and economics played no role whatsoever in this tight election. Instead of absolute deprivation, social psychologists stress the importance of relative deprivation. Disappointing comparisons to relevant referents is often more significant than factual changes (Pettigrew, 2015, 2016; Smith, Pettigrew, Pippin, & Bialosiewicz, 2012). What voters think is true is more important in elections than the actual truth. Trump adherents feel deprived relative to what they expected to possess at this point in their lives and relative to what they erroneously perceive other “less deserving” groups have acquired. Rapidly rising costs of housing and prescription drugs have aggravated their financial concerns. Their savings may not allow the type of ideal retirements they had long envisioned. And hopes for their children advancing beyond their status and going to college are being dashed by rising tuitions.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 09/19/17 10:15:14 PM #8:	Up. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:886923744] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote>Up.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ShinigamiSoul 09/19/17 10:50:09 PM #9:	So Trump supporters are a prejudice and deprived peoples --- I dont want a sig! <cite>ShinigamiSoul posted [p:886925639] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote>So Trump supporters are a prejudice and deprived peoples</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 09/19/17 10:52:58 PM #10:	Authoritarianism is Aaaand already this departs from any actual criticism of Trump. Generally speaking, leaders who support gun rights, deregulate the private industry, want lower taxes, and don't pass authoritarian policies are not considered authoritarian. Fake study. --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:886925802] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote><quote>Authoritarianism is </quote> Aaaand already this departs from any actual criticism of Trump. Generally speaking, leaders who support gun rights, deregulate the private industry, want lower taxes, and don't pass authoritarian policies are not considered authoritarian. Fake study.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blue_Dream87 09/19/17 10:56:46 PM #11:	Mal_Fet posted... Authoritarianism is Aaaand already this departs from any actual criticism of Trump. Generally speaking, leaders who support gun rights, deregulate the private industry, want lower taxes, and don't pass authoritarian policies are not considered authoritarian. Fake study. Oh gee, it's almost like authoritarianism has different definitions in different fields! --- http://i.imgur.com/ymmqXXN.jpg http://i.imgur.com/5iNwXbV.png http://i.imgur.com/HSriaa3.gif http://i.imgur.com/xphiy45.gifv <cite>Blue_Dream87 posted [p:886926050] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><quote>Authoritarianism is </quote> Aaaand already this departs from any actual criticism of Trump. Generally speaking, leaders who support gun rights, deregulate the private industry, want lower taxes, and don't pass authoritarian policies are not considered authoritarian. Fake study.</quote> Oh gee, it's almost like authoritarianism has different definitions in different fields!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 09/19/17 11:04:55 PM #12:	Mal is sure pretty defensive for someone who hates both sides equally --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 http://i.imgur.com/mPvcy.png <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:886926550] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote>Mal is sure pretty defensive for someone who hates both sides equally</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 09/19/17 11:06:09 PM #13:	Mal_Fet posted... Authoritarianism is Aaaand already this departs from any actual criticism of Trump. Generally speaking, leaders who support gun rights, deregulate the private industry, want lower taxes, and don't pass authoritarian policies are not considered authoritarian. Fake study. This was never a criticism of Trump, and the context here is authoritarianism as a psychological syndrome, not with regards to policy. Yet again you've shown that you simply aren't equipped for scientific discourse. --- Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two. <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:886926621] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><quote>Authoritarianism is </quote> Aaaand already this departs from any actual criticism of Trump. Generally speaking, leaders who support gun rights, deregulate the private industry, want lower taxes, and don't pass authoritarian policies are not considered authoritarian. Fake study.</quote> This was never a criticism of Trump, and the context here is authoritarianism as a psychological syndrome, not with regards to policy. Yet again you've shown that you simply aren't equipped for scientific discourse.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
A_Good_Boy 09/19/17 11:10:57 PM #14:	Doom_Art posted... Mal is sure pretty defensive for someone who hates both sides equally He balances his hatred of Obama with his love of Trump. If that's not neutrality then sir I just don't understand definitions. --- Who is? I am! <cite>A_Good_Boy posted [p:886926920] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote>Mal is sure pretty defensive for someone who hates both sides equally</quote> He balances his hatred of Obama with his love of Trump. If that's not neutrality then sir I just don't understand definitions.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeeak4444 09/19/17 11:15:55 PM #15:	Doom_Art posted... Mal is sure pretty defensive for someone who hates both sides equally Lmfao no way he actually claims this. --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X <cite>Zeeak4444 posted [p:886927214] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote>Mal is sure pretty defensive for someone who hates both sides equally</quote> Lmfao no way he actually claims this.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tmaster148 09/19/17 11:17:34 PM #16:	Zeeak4444 posted... Doom_Art posted... Mal is sure pretty defensive for someone who hates both sides equally Lmfao no way he actually claims this. I remember him saying it before along with him saying he's a Libertarian. But really I think he's just scared to openly say he's a republican. --- http://i.imgur.com/BBcZDLJ.png <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:886927301] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeeak4444 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote>Mal is sure pretty defensive for someone who hates both sides equally</quote> Lmfao no way he actually claims this.</quote> I remember him saying it before along with him saying he's a Libertarian. But really I think he's just scared to openly say he's a republican.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ItsYourFault 09/19/17 11:17:50 PM #17:	how does Mal handle all this winning? <cite>ItsYourFault posted [p:886927316] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote>how does Mal handle all this winning?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 09/19/17 11:18:02 PM #18:	Zeeak4444 posted... Lmfao no way he actually claims this. He's used the following to describe himself Nonpartisan Independent Hates both sides equally Libertarian --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 http://i.imgur.com/mPvcy.png <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:886927323] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeeak4444 posted...</cite> <quote>Lmfao no way he actually claims this. </quote> He's used the following to describe himself Nonpartisan Independent Hates both sides equally Libertarian</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
muchdran 09/19/17 11:19:42 PM #19:	Seems like more liberal nonsense <cite>muchdran posted [p:886927398] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote>Seems like more liberal nonsense</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeeak4444 09/19/17 11:20:13 PM #20:	Tmaster148 posted... Zeeak4444 posted... Doom_Art posted... Mal is sure pretty defensive for someone who hates both sides equally Lmfao no way he actually claims this. I remember him saying it before along with him saying he's a Libertarian. But really I think he's just scared to openly say he's a republican. Doom_Art posted... Zeeak4444 posted... Lmfao no way he actually claims this. He's used the following to describe himself Nonpartisan Independent Hates both sides equally Libertarian That's wild. I could swear I've heard him tell me he's a conservative more than once but I guess I was wrong. Either way I agree, I think he's just afraid to come out too. --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X <cite>Zeeak4444 posted [p:886927435] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeeak4444 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote>Mal is sure pretty defensive for someone who hates both sides equally</quote> Lmfao no way he actually claims this.</quote> I remember him saying it before along with him saying he's a Libertarian. But really I think he's just scared to openly say he's a republican.</quote> <cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeeak4444 posted...</cite> <quote>Lmfao no way he actually claims this. </quote> He's used the following to describe himself Nonpartisan Independent Hates both sides equally Libertarian</quote> That's wild. I could swear I've heard him tell me he's a conservative more than once but I guess I was wrong. Either way I agree, I think he's just afraid to come out too.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blue_Inigo 09/19/17 11:25:16 PM #21:	Mal_Fet posted... Authoritarianism is Aaaand already this departs from any actual criticism of Trump. Generally speaking, leaders who support gun rights, deregulate the private industry, want lower taxes, and don't pass authoritarian policies are not considered authoritarian. Fake study. I think I'll take an actual experts word over your low IQ nonsense --- "This is your last dance." <cite>Blue_Inigo posted [p:886927726] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><quote>Authoritarianism is </quote> Aaaand already this departs from any actual criticism of Trump. Generally speaking, leaders who support gun rights, deregulate the private industry, want lower taxes, and don't pass authoritarian policies are not considered authoritarian. Fake study.</quote> I think I'll take an actual experts word over your low IQ nonsense</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 09/19/17 11:29:31 PM #22:	I wonder what the correct course of action is when your topic becomes more about Mal than anything else? --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:886927954] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote>I wonder what the correct course of action is when your topic becomes more about Mal than anything else?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tmaster148 09/19/17 11:34:10 PM #23:	COVxy posted... I wonder what the correct course of action is when your topic becomes more about Mal than anything else? Watch the debate unfold as your topic that probably wouldn't have broken 50 posts suddenly has 200+. --- http://i.imgur.com/BBcZDLJ.png <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:886928201] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote>I wonder what the correct course of action is when your topic becomes more about Mal than anything else?</quote> Watch the debate unfold as your topic that probably wouldn't have broken 50 posts suddenly has 200+.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeeak4444 09/19/17 11:36:56 PM #24:	COVxy posted... I wonder what the correct course of action is when your topic becomes more about Mal than anything else? My bad. On topic it was a very interesting read. This part is particularly interesting: "But these findings do not mean that social class and economics played no role whatsoever in this tight election. Instead of absolute deprivation, social psychologists stress the importance of relative deprivation. Disappointing comparisons to relevant referents is often more significant than factual changes (Pettigrew, 2015, 2016; Smith, Pettigrew, Pippin, & Bialosiewicz, 2012). What voters think is true is more important in elections than the actual truth. Trump adherents feel deprived relative to what they expected to possess at this point in their lives and relative to what they erroneously perceive other “less deserving” groups have acquired. Rapidly rising costs of housing and prescription drugs have aggravated their financial concerns. Their savings may not allow the type of ideal retirements they had long envisioned. And hopes for their children advancing beyond their status and going to college are being dashed by rising tuitions." I have to agree. I've said this since early last year and still stand by it. Just my opinion of course but it's great to see It get some attention. --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X <cite>Zeeak4444 posted [p:886928331] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote>I wonder what the correct course of action is when your topic becomes more about Mal than anything else?</quote> My bad. On topic it was a very interesting read. This part is particularly interesting: "But these findings do not mean that social class and economics played no role whatsoever in this tight election. Instead of absolute deprivation, social psychologists stress the importance of relative deprivation. Disappointing comparisons to relevant referents is often more significant than factual changes (Pettigrew, 2015, 2016; Smith, Pettigrew, Pippin, & Bialosiewicz, 2012). What voters think is true is more important in elections than the actual truth. Trump adherents feel deprived relative to what they expected to possess at this point in their lives and relative to what they erroneously perceive other “less deserving” groups have acquired. Rapidly rising costs of housing and prescription drugs have aggravated their financial concerns. Their savings may not allow the type of ideal retirements they had long envisioned. And hopes for their children advancing beyond their status and going to college are being dashed by rising tuitions." I have to agree. I've said this since early last year and still stand by it. Just my opinion of course but it's great to see It get some attention.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 09/19/17 11:44:29 PM #25:	Tmaster148 posted... COVxy posted... I wonder what the correct course of action is when your topic becomes more about Mal than anything else? Watch the debate unfold as your topic that probably wouldn't have broken 50 posts suddenly has 200+. I take pride in my low post topics =p --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:886928668] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote>I wonder what the correct course of action is when your topic becomes more about Mal than anything else?</quote> Watch the debate unfold as your topic that probably wouldn't have broken 50 posts suddenly has 200+.</quote> I take pride in my low post topics =p</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeeak4444 09/20/17 12:06:25 AM #26:	To clarify. I think the first part I didn't quote is pretty accurate. A lot of hate is directed at irrelevant factors, specifically people (usually minorities), instead of things like automation. it's kinda funny most conservatives respond in topics about AI threats or Elon Musks (and others) comments about them with stupid shit like "oh no hostile takeover" and such. Or jump straight to that conclusion when they hear someone talk about AI threats. --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X <cite>Zeeak4444 posted [p:886929593] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote>To clarify. I think the first part I didn't quote is pretty accurate. A lot of hate is directed at irrelevant factors, specifically people (usually minorities), instead of things like automation. it's kinda funny most conservatives respond in topics about AI threats or Elon Musks (and others) comments about them with stupid shit like "oh no hostile takeover" and such. Or jump straight to that conclusion when they hear someone talk about AI threats.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 09/20/17 1:18:58 AM #27:	scar the 1 posted... This was never a criticism of Trump, and the context here is authoritarianism as a psychological syndrome, not with regards to policy. So how is Trump psychologically authoritarian In a way that Obama wasn't, for example. --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:886932435] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote><cite>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote>This was never a criticism of Trump, and the context here is authoritarianism as a psychological syndrome, not with regards to policy. </quote> So how is Trump psychologically authoritarian In a way that Obama wasn't, for example.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeeak4444 09/20/17 1:21:43 AM #28:	Mal_Fet posted... scar the 1 posted... This was never a criticism of Trump, and the context here is authoritarianism as a psychological syndrome, not with regards to policy. So how is Trump psychologically authoritarian In a way that Obama wasn't, for example. You're in so far over your head here. --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X <cite>Zeeak4444 posted [p:886932525] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote>This was never a criticism of Trump, and the context here is authoritarianism as a psychological syndrome, not with regards to policy. </quote> So how is Trump psychologically authoritarian In a way that Obama wasn't, for example.</quote> You're in so far over your head here.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
prettyprincess 09/20/17 1:23:11 AM #29:	did you read what it was actually assessing? COVxy posted... Eight months prior to the election, MacWilliams (2016) relied on his survey finding - that high authoritarians were strongly in favor of Trump - to predict correctly that routine election surveys were sharply underestimating Trump’s support. During the presidential primaries in February 2016, Feldman (in press) also found a significant positive relationship between authoritarianism and favorable evaluations of Trump among Republicans. Indeed, none of the evaluations of the other primary candidates revealed such a connection. --- And in an infinite regress, tell me, why is the pain of birth lighter borne than the pain of death? http://www.last.fm/user/followthegospel <cite>prettyprincess posted [p:886932578] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote>did you read what it was actually assessing? <cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote>Eight months prior to the election, MacWilliams (2016) relied on his survey finding - that high authoritarians were strongly in favor of Trump - to predict correctly that routine election surveys were sharply underestimating Trump’s support. During the presidential primaries in February 2016, Feldman (in press) also found a significant positive relationship between authoritarianism and favorable evaluations of Trump among Republicans. Indeed, none of the evaluations of the other primary candidates revealed such a connection.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 09/20/17 1:33:51 AM #30:	prettyprincess posted... did you read what it was actually assessing? COVxy posted... Eight months prior to the election, MacWilliams (2016) relied on his survey finding - that high authoritarians were strongly in favor of Trump - to predict correctly that routine election surveys were sharply underestimating Trump’s support. During the presidential primaries in February 2016, Feldman (in press) also found a significant positive relationship between authoritarianism and favorable evaluations of Trump among Republicans. Indeed, none of the evaluations of the other primary candidates revealed such a connection. Unlike you, I read the Politico article it's referencing with the Macwilliams study. The only two criteria it references as "authoritarian" are wanting to enforce immigration law as it's written and stricter muslim refugee intake. And whaddya know, all those people support Trump! Fuckin authoritarians, am I right? I bet if there were a question like "is it acceptable to assault someone who hurts your feelings" then magically all the authoritarians would have been on Clinton's side. --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:886932981] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote><cite>prettyprincess posted...</cite> <quote>did you read what it was actually assessing? <cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote>Eight months prior to the election, MacWilliams (2016) relied on his survey finding - that high authoritarians were strongly in favor of Trump - to predict correctly that routine election surveys were sharply underestimating Trump’s support. During the presidential primaries in February 2016, Feldman (in press) also found a significant positive relationship between authoritarianism and favorable evaluations of Trump among Republicans. Indeed, none of the evaluations of the other primary candidates revealed such a connection.</quote></quote> Unlike you, I read the Politico article it's referencing with the Macwilliams study. The only two criteria it references as "authoritarian" are wanting to enforce immigration law as it's written and stricter muslim refugee intake. And whaddya know, all those people support Trump! Fuckin authoritarians, am I right? I bet if there were a question like "is it acceptable to assault someone who hurts your feelings" then magically all the authoritarians would have been on Clinton's side.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 09/20/17 1:40:03 AM #31:	Mal_Fet posted... scar the 1 posted... This was never a criticism of Trump, and the context here is authoritarianism as a psychological syndrome, not with regards to policy. So how is Trump psychologically authoritarian In a way that Obama wasn't, for example. The paper makes no conclusions about Trump. You seem unable to actually address the substance of it. --- Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two. <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:886933227] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote>This was never a criticism of Trump, and the context here is authoritarianism as a psychological syndrome, not with regards to policy. </quote> So how is Trump psychologically authoritarian In a way that Obama wasn't, for example.</quote> The paper makes no conclusions about Trump. You seem unable to actually address the substance of it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Guide 09/20/17 1:47:33 AM #32:	Mal_Fet posted... prettyprincess posted... did you read what it was actually assessing? COVxy posted... Eight months prior to the election, MacWilliams (2016) relied on his survey finding - that high authoritarians were strongly in favor of Trump - to predict correctly that routine election surveys were sharply underestimating Trump’s support. During the presidential primaries in February 2016, Feldman (in press) also found a significant positive relationship between authoritarianism and favorable evaluations of Trump among Republicans. Indeed, none of the evaluations of the other primary candidates revealed such a connection. Unlike you, I read the Politico article it's referencing with the Macwilliams study. The only two criteria it references as "authoritarian" are wanting to enforce immigration law as it's written and stricter muslim refugee intake. And whaddya know, all those people support Trump! Fuckin authoritarians, am I right? I bet if there were a question like "is it acceptable to assault someone who hurts your feelings" then magically all the authoritarians would have been on Clinton's side. Try actually understanding the definition and context of "authoritarian" as used in the study, and also don't force this partisan nonsense where it doesn't belong. You read a few lines at most and formed an opinion without actually informing yourself. This is a perfect example of willful ignorance. This is the kind of thing """fake news""" thrives on. --- chicken salad sandwich <cite>Guide posted [p:886933488] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>prettyprincess posted...</cite> <quote>did you read what it was actually assessing? <cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote>Eight months prior to the election, MacWilliams (2016) relied on his survey finding - that high authoritarians were strongly in favor of Trump - to predict correctly that routine election surveys were sharply underestimating Trump’s support. During the presidential primaries in February 2016, Feldman (in press) also found a significant positive relationship between authoritarianism and favorable evaluations of Trump among Republicans. Indeed, none of the evaluations of the other primary candidates revealed such a connection.</quote></quote> Unlike you, I read the Politico article it's referencing with the Macwilliams study. The only two criteria it references as "authoritarian" are wanting to enforce immigration law as it's written and stricter muslim refugee intake. And whaddya know, all those people support Trump! Fuckin authoritarians, am I right? I bet if there were a question like "is it acceptable to assault someone who hurts your feelings" then magically all the authoritarians would have been on Clinton's side.</quote> Try actually understanding the definition and context of "authoritarian" as used in the study, and also don't force this partisan nonsense where it doesn't belong. You read a few lines at most and formed an opinion without actually informing yourself. This is a perfect example of willful ignorance. This is the kind of thing """fake news""" thrives on.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 09/20/17 3:03:03 AM #33:	Guide posted... Try actually understanding the definition and context of "authoritarian" as used in the study, and also don't force this partisan nonsense where it doesn't belong. Throughout the study, the muslim ban and wall are all the relevant factors presented to make Trump and his supporters authoritarian. If you believe that those two issues are the only relevant factors of being an authoritarian, congratulations: you're extremely gullible and/or are in need of a dictionary. --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:886935884] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote><cite>Guide posted...</cite> <quote>Try actually understanding the definition and context of "authoritarian" as used in the study, and also don't force this partisan nonsense where it doesn't belong. </quote> Throughout the study, the muslim ban and wall are all the relevant factors presented to make Trump and his supporters authoritarian. If you believe that those two issues are the only relevant factors of being an authoritarian, congratulations: you're extremely gullible and/or are in need of a dictionary.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 09/20/17 3:08:12 AM #34:	Mal_Fet posted... Guide posted... Try actually understanding the definition and context of "authoritarian" as used in the study, and also don't force this partisan nonsense where it doesn't belong. Throughout the study, the muslim ban and wall are all the relevant factors presented to make Trump authoritarian. If you believe that those two issues are the only relevant factors of being an authoritarian, congratulations: you're extremely gullible and/or are in need of a dictionary. The study isn't about Trump. How are you not getting this? --- Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two. <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:886936031] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Guide posted...</cite> <quote>Try actually understanding the definition and context of "authoritarian" as used in the study, and also don't force this partisan nonsense where it doesn't belong. </quote> Throughout the study, the muslim ban and wall are all the relevant factors presented to make Trump authoritarian. If you believe that those two issues are the only relevant factors of being an authoritarian, congratulations: you're extremely gullible and/or are in need of a dictionary.</quote> The study isn't about Trump. How are you not getting this?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 09/20/17 3:14:56 AM #35:	scar the 1 posted... Mal_Fet posted... Guide posted... Try actually understanding the definition and context of "authoritarian" as used in the study, and also don't force this partisan nonsense where it doesn't belong. Throughout the study, the muslim ban and wall are all the relevant factors presented to make Trump and his supporters authoritarian. If you believe that those two issues are the only relevant factors of being an authoritarian, congratulations: you're extremely gullible and/or are in need of a dictionary. The study isn't about Trump. How are you not getting this? Ok, fixed. What ya gonna bitch about now --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:886936226] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote><cite>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Guide posted...</cite> <quote>Try actually understanding the definition and context of "authoritarian" as used in the study, and also don't force this partisan nonsense where it doesn't belong. </quote> Throughout the study, the muslim ban and wall are all the relevant factors presented to make Trump and his supporters authoritarian. If you believe that those two issues are the only relevant factors of being an authoritarian, congratulations: you're extremely gullible and/or are in need of a dictionary.</quote> The study isn't about Trump. How are you not getting this?</quote> Ok, fixed. What ya gonna bitch about now</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkPink 09/20/17 3:16:42 AM #36:	Zeeak4444 posted... Doom_Art posted... Mal is sure pretty defensive for someone who hates both sides equally Lmfao no way he actually claims this. hahaha he said this? i only EVER see him bash the left, never the right. there is a lot of text in this topic, no doubt the conservatives will just claim that the whole thing is done by the bias elite or whatever . --- Do the best you can in every task, no matter how unimportant it may seem at the time. No one learns more about a problem than the person at the bottom. <cite>DarkPink posted [p:886936271] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeeak4444 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote>Mal is sure pretty defensive for someone who hates both sides equally</quote> Lmfao no way he actually claims this.</quote> hahaha he said this? i only EVER see him bash the left, never the right. there is a lot of text in this topic, no doubt the conservatives will just claim that the whole thing is done by the bias elite or whatever .</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThyCorndog 09/20/17 3:26:20 AM #37:	the relative deprivation bit was especially interesting yeah. never thought about that. the rest was pretty obvious but nice to see some data back it up --- Hey what's going on in this thread http://i.imgur.com/6fpKRW8.gif http://i.imgur.com/RNZi0gk.gif <cite>ThyCorndog posted [p:886936525] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote>the relative deprivation bit was especially interesting yeah. never thought about that. the rest was pretty obvious but nice to see some data back it up</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 09/20/17 3:46:54 AM #38:	Mal_Fet posted... Ok, fixed. What ya gonna b** about now Well, you're wrong. The authors define the authoritarianism in the text, and it's even quoted ITT, and the definition doesn't hinge on specific Trump soundbytes. --- Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two. <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:886937076] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote>Ok, fixed. What ya gonna b** about now</quote> Well, you're wrong. The authors define the authoritarianism in the text, and it's even quoted ITT, and the definition doesn't hinge on specific Trump soundbytes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Guide 09/20/17 7:39:46 AM #39:	Mal_Fet posted... Guide posted... Try actually understanding the definition and context of "authoritarian" as used in the study, and also don't force this partisan nonsense where it doesn't belong. Throughout the study, the muslim ban and wall are all the relevant factors presented to make Trump and his supporters authoritarian. If you believe that those two issues are the only relevant factors of being an authoritarian, congratulations: you're extremely gullible and/or are in need of a dictionary. You never actually bothered to figure out what authoritarian means in the study. You might now, since you've been called out on it, but this is telling of what kind of person you are. --- chicken salad sandwich <cite>Guide posted [p:886941816] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Guide posted...</cite> <quote>Try actually understanding the definition and context of "authoritarian" as used in the study, and also don't force this partisan nonsense where it doesn't belong. </quote> Throughout the study, the muslim ban and wall are all the relevant factors presented to make Trump and his supporters authoritarian. If you believe that those two issues are the only relevant factors of being an authoritarian, congratulations: you're extremely gullible and/or are in need of a dictionary.</quote> You never actually bothered to figure out what authoritarian means in the study. You might now, since you've been called out on it, but this is telling of what kind of person you are.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Very_Unreliable 09/20/17 7:44:16 AM #40:	Leftists are like obsessed with poisoning the well and pretending it's legitimate argument. --- RyuGigas <cite>Very_Unreliable posted [p:886941936] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote>Leftists are like obsessed with poisoning the well and pretending it's legitimate argument.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 09/20/17 7:50:41 AM #41:	Tmaster148 posted... Zeeak4444 posted... Doom_Art posted... Mal is sure pretty defensive for someone who hates both sides equally Lmfao no way he actually claims this. I remember him saying it before along with him saying he's a Libertarian. But really I think he's just scared to openly say he's a republican. He's Australian. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:886942121] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeeak4444 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote>Mal is sure pretty defensive for someone who hates both sides equally</quote> Lmfao no way he actually claims this.</quote> I remember him saying it before along with him saying he's a Libertarian. But really I think he's just scared to openly say he's a republican.</quote> He's Australian.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkPink 09/20/17 7:58:23 AM #42:	Kineth posted... Tmaster148 posted... Zeeak4444 posted... Doom_Art posted... Mal is sure pretty defensive for someone who hates both sides equally Lmfao no way he actually claims this. I remember him saying it before along with him saying he's a Libertarian. But really I think he's just scared to openly say he's a republican. He's Australian. what? --- Do the best you can in every task, no matter how unimportant it may seem at the time. No one learns more about a problem than the person at the bottom. <cite>DarkPink posted [p:886942338] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeeak4444 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote>Mal is sure pretty defensive for someone who hates both sides equally</quote> Lmfao no way he actually claims this.</quote> I remember him saying it before along with him saying he's a Libertarian. But really I think he's just scared to openly say he's a republican.</quote> He's Australian.</quote> what?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 09/20/17 7:59:15 AM #43:	Very_Unreliable posted... Leftists are like obsessed with poisoning the well and pretending it's legitimate argument. How is trying to understand a voting population "poisoning the well"? --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:886942364] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote><cite>Very_Unreliable posted...</cite> <quote>Leftists are like obsessed with poisoning the well and pretending it's legitimate argument.</quote> How is trying to understand a voting population "poisoning the well"?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 09/20/17 8:19:23 AM #44:	DarkPink posted... Kineth posted... Tmaster148 posted... Zeeak4444 posted... Doom_Art posted... Mal is sure pretty defensive for someone who hates both sides equally Lmfao no way he actually claims this. I remember him saying it before along with him saying he's a Libertarian. But really I think he's just scared to openly say he's a republican. He's Australian. what? Mal_Fet is Australian. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:886942914] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkPink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeeak4444 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote>Mal is sure pretty defensive for someone who hates both sides equally</quote> Lmfao no way he actually claims this.</quote> I remember him saying it before along with him saying he's a Libertarian. But really I think he's just scared to openly say he's a republican.</quote> He's Australian.</quote> what?</quote> Mal_Fet is Australian.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IWBYD 09/20/17 8:31:41 AM #45:	COVxy posted... Very_Unreliable posted... Leftists are like obsessed with poisoning the well and pretending it's legitimate argument. How is trying to understand a voting population "poisoning the well"? To the ignorant, knowledge feels like oppression. --- http://i.imgur.com/ZBHlv4l.gif http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/821/778/fe0.gif <cite>IWBYD posted [p:886943290] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Very_Unreliable posted...</cite> <quote>Leftists are like obsessed with poisoning the well and pretending it's legitimate argument.</quote> How is trying to understand a voting population "poisoning the well"?</quote> To the ignorant, knowledge feels like oppression.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HypnoCoosh 09/20/17 8:40:05 AM #46:	This is why Trump won. --- We make men without chests and expect from them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst. - C.S. Lewis <cite>HypnoCoosh posted [p:886943527] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote>This is why Trump won.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 09/20/17 8:48:39 AM #47:	I think this is confirming something we understood going all the way back to the primaries, really. Thanks for posting this. Seems to me that the relative deprivation is what is driving people's increased authoritarian views, as their perception of 'losing out' relative to those beneath them drives a desire for leadership that will re-establish the conventional social strata (read: keep those poor people poorer than me!). It is consistent with the harvard 'elephant chart' that I posted about long ago. http://harvardpress.typepad.com/hup_publicity/2016/06/branko-milanovic-elephant-chart-brexit.html Globalization and mechanization is helping many, many people, but the people it's not helping have traditionally enjoyed an advantaged life, and now they are seeing their expectations go unmet. Historically, similar such economic problems plagued the nations that embraced fascism in the 1920s and 30s. Hopefully we can pivot and avoid doing the same. Obligatory: Authoritarianism from the middle class in reaction to this really does seem like them falling into a trap set by the upper class. The beneficiaries in authoritarian systems are entirely those who control capital. --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:886943809] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote>I think this is confirming something we understood going all the way back to the primaries, really. Thanks for posting this. Seems to me that the relative deprivation is what is driving people's increased authoritarian views, as their perception of 'losing out' relative to those beneath them drives a desire for leadership that will re-establish the conventional social strata (read: keep those poor people poorer than me!). It is consistent with the harvard 'elephant chart' that I posted about long ago. http://harvardpress.typepad.com/hup_publicity/2016/06/branko-milanovic-elephant-chart-brexit.html Globalization and mechanization is helping many, many people, but the people it's not helping have traditionally enjoyed an advantaged life, and now they are seeing their expectations go unmet. Historically, similar such economic problems plagued the nations that embraced fascism in the 1920s and 30s. Hopefully we can pivot and avoid doing the same. Obligatory: Authoritarianism from the middle class in reaction to this really does seem like them falling into a trap set by the upper class. The beneficiaries in authoritarian systems are entirely those who control capital.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 09/20/17 8:53:45 AM #48:	tl;dr of this whole topic: 'crab bucket mentality works on humans' --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:886944019] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote>tl;dr of this whole topic: 'crab bucket mentality works on humans'</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 09/20/17 10:38:14 AM #49:	Darkman124 posted... Thanks for posting this. Seems to me that the relative deprivation is what is driving people's increased authoritarian views, as their perception of 'losing out' relative to those beneath them drives a desire for leadership that will re-establish the conventional social strata (read: keep those poor people poorer than me!). Yeah, this is kinda what I always thought it was, especially as initial polling seemed to contradict the whole 'working class' revolution narrative. But I think a lot of these people often are making comparisons not just to others, but to their parents who, most likely, grew up in an age of pretty high social mobility. They are seeing the decrease in slope and interpreting that as deprivation. Though, this doesn't seem to fit the data top well, so my guess is it's perceived decreases in slope, really. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:886948516] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote>Thanks for posting this. Seems to me that the relative deprivation is what is driving people's increased authoritarian views, as their perception of 'losing out' relative to those beneath them drives a desire for leadership that will re-establish the conventional social strata (read: keep those poor people poorer than me!).</quote> Yeah, this is kinda what I always thought it was, especially as initial polling seemed to contradict the whole 'working class' revolution narrative. But I think a lot of these people often are making comparisons not just to others, but to their parents who, most likely, grew up in an age of pretty high social mobility. They are seeing the decrease in slope and interpreting that as deprivation. Though, this doesn't seem to fit the data top well, so my guess is it's perceived decreases in slope, really.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeeak4444 09/20/17 11:10:30 AM #50:	COVxy posted... Darkman124 posted... Thanks for posting this. Seems to me that the relative deprivation is what is driving people's increased authoritarian views, as their perception of 'losing out' relative to those beneath them drives a desire for leadership that will re-establish the conventional social strata (read: keep those poor people poorer than me!). Yeah, this is kinda what I always thought it was, especially as initial polling seemed to contradict the whole 'working class' revolution narrative. But I think a lot of these people often are making comparisons not just to others, but to their parents who, most likely, grew up in an age of pretty high social mobility. They are seeing the decrease in slope and interpreting that as deprivation. Though, this doesn't seem to fit the data top well, so my guess is it's perceived decreases in slope, really. Agreed. As I said in my last post while I don't think it's guaranteed by any means I think a lot of it has to do with a lack of understanding at relevant factors such as automation (which the paper touched briefly on as well). --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X <cite>Zeeak4444 posted [p:886950107] in Social Psy... [t:75793351]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote>Thanks for posting this. Seems to me that the relative deprivation is what is driving people's increased authoritarian views, as their perception of 'losing out' relative to those beneath them drives a desire for leadership that will re-establish the conventional social strata (read: keep those poor people poorer than me!).</quote> Yeah, this is kinda what I always thought it was, especially as initial polling seemed to contradict the whole 'working class' revolution narrative. But I think a lot of these people often are making comparisons not just to others, but to their parents who, most likely, grew up in an age of pretty high social mobility. They are seeing the decrease in slope and interpreting that as deprivation. Though, this doesn't seem to fit the data top well, so my guess is it's perceived decreases in slope, really.</quote> Agreed. As I said in my last post while I don't think it's guaranteed by any means I think a lot of it has to do with a lack of understanding at relevant factors such as automation (which the paper touched briefly on as well).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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