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REMercsChamp
09/07/17 9:28:44 PM
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Not long ago people used to go to university to take practical courses that could lead them to meaningful employment.

In modern times, we have most people spending 4 years arguing about policy brutality, getting people locked up in prison for using incorrect gender pronouns, memorizing the communist manifesto and other associated activities.
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josifrees
09/07/17 9:29:27 PM
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The moment liberalism was the smart thing ie the whole of human history
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Antifar
09/07/17 9:30:13 PM
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REMercsChamp posted...
memorizing the communist manifesto

What does this have to do with liberal indoctrination?
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Seneca_Wallace_
09/07/17 9:31:07 PM
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My cousin had to quit college because she was getting constantly harrassed, getting death threats, people banging on her door, rape threats, etc., because she said she was voting Trump.
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COVxy
09/07/17 9:32:26 PM
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You are a troll, but unfortunately there's enough people who actually believe this shit.

Your view of university in no way represents reality.
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Callixtus
09/07/17 9:36:33 PM
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COVxy posted...
You are a troll, but unfortunately there's enough people who actually believe this shit.

Your view of university in no way represents reality.

You can't deny that universities are liberal fortresses, and have becoming even more liberal, well beyond the average American.
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Bloodychess
09/07/17 9:36:57 PM
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Since Vietnam
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COVxy
09/07/17 9:38:06 PM
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Callixtus posted...
You can't deny that universities are liberal fortresses, and have becoming even more liberal.


Academics are overwhelmingly liberal but that is not any indication of "indoctrination".
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Prodrivertn
09/07/17 9:38:08 PM
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Anteaterking
09/07/17 9:41:16 PM
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REMercsChamp posted...
to take practical courses


If you're making a distinction between academia and "practical courses", universities have been on the academia side longer than on the "job prep" side.
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Callixtus
09/07/17 9:41:37 PM
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COVxy posted...
Callixtus posted...
You can't deny that universities are liberal fortresses, and have becoming even more liberal.


Academics are overwhelmingly liberal but that is not any indication of "indoctrination".

Do you think learning in an overwhelming liberal environment, where many conservatives feel uncomfortable at best, or are weeded out at worst, is likely to result in biased education?
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REMercsChamp
09/07/17 9:41:40 PM
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Antifar posted...
REMercsChamp posted...
memorizing the communist manifesto

What does this have to do with liberal indoctrination?

You tell me, you're the expert on the subject
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The Admiral
09/07/17 9:43:18 PM
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Colleges have always skewed liberal, but this SJW horseshit didn't start until around 2010.
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lderivedx
09/07/17 9:43:42 PM
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conservatives getting "weeded" out

fucking lol
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Zeeak4444
09/07/17 9:47:18 PM
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lderivedx posted...
conservatives getting "weeded" out

fucking lol


This so hard. Give me a break @Callixtus, you can't actually believe that right?

At least not outside of like Evergreen. I have more than a few conservative friends at Berkeley that love it there so we can't use that one either.
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COVxy
09/07/17 9:47:59 PM
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Callixtus posted...
Do you think learning in an overwhelming liberal environment, where many conservatives feel uncomfortable at best, or are weeded out at worst, is likely to result in biased education?


Not that I've observed. Political shit almost never comes up in the classroom, that I've observed.

Academics are likely overwhelmingly liberal because the nature of the job, seeking information for the good of humanity, tends to self select for liberal ideals. Academic disciplines strive for change, to push knowledge further, and do so for very little monetary inventive. These two things are contrary to the primary tenants of conservative ideology.
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Antifar
09/07/17 9:50:24 PM
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For my part, I went to college in a liberal city 2011-2014, and don't recall politics really coming up in class. Even political science classes tended to stay away from current events.
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REMercsChamp
09/07/17 9:50:46 PM
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COVxy posted...
seeking information for the good of humanity,

Oh lord.

The sad part is this guy actually believes what he's saying
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Callixtus
09/07/17 9:51:01 PM
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lderivedx posted...
conservatives getting "weeded" out

fucking lol

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/08/science/08tier.html?_r=0
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Callixtus
09/07/17 9:52:41 PM
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COVxy posted...
Callixtus posted...
Do you think learning in an overwhelming liberal environment, where many conservatives feel uncomfortable at best, or are weeded out at worst, is likely to result in biased education?


Not that I've observed. Political shit almost never comes up in the classroom, that I've observed.

Academics are likely overwhelmingly liberal because the nature of the job, seeking information for the good of humanity, tends to self select for liberal ideals. Academic disciplines strive for change, to push knowledge further, and do so for very little monetary inventive. These two things are contrary to the primary tenants of conservative ideology.

The ol' conservatives hate knowledge number. One of my favorite tunes.
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COVxy
09/07/17 9:53:34 PM
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REMercsChamp posted...
COVxy posted...
seeking information for the good of humanity,

Oh lord.

The sad part is this guy actually believes what he's saying


If I wasn't so sure you were a gimmick account, I would put money on the fact that you haven't stepped foot on a university campus.
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Blo
09/07/17 9:54:31 PM
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It'd be fun to compare this topic, and the theories about "hostile environments" within, to discussions of, say, women in tech jobs.
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COVxy
09/07/17 9:55:48 PM
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Callixtus posted...
The ol' conservatives hate knowledge number. One of my favorite tunes.


No, the entire ideology resists change and prioritizes monetary incentives. Both things are contradictory to holding an academic position. Academic scientists work 80+ hour weeks with very little pay, and only are successful in-so-far as they turn over conventional knowledge and institute change.
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frozenshock
09/07/17 9:56:13 PM
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What, because they teach science and conservatives hate science?
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Intro2Logic
09/07/17 9:56:16 PM
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Why doesn't someone make a moderate college or a conservative university, and get all the kids and professors who don't want politics in their learning?
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REMercsChamp
09/07/17 9:56:55 PM
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COVxy posted...
Academic scientists work 80+ hour weeks with very little pay,

This is only true for the lower ranked grunts, who are busting their asses with the goal of getting a tenured position that they can never be fired from, delegate all the crap work and make $150k+ a year
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COVxy
09/07/17 9:58:01 PM
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REMercsChamp posted...
COVxy posted...
Academic scientists work 80+ hour weeks with very little pay,

This is only true for the lower ranked grunts, who are busting their asses with the goal of getting a tenured position that they can never be fired from, delegate all the crap work and make $150k+ a year


Again, if you weren't a gimmick, I'd put good money on the fact that you've never been on a university campus.

You don't know what you're talking about.
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REMercsChamp
09/07/17 9:59:01 PM
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COVxy posted...
REMercsChamp posted...
COVxy posted...
Academic scientists work 80+ hour weeks with very little pay,

This is only true for the lower ranked grunts, who are busting their asses with the goal of getting a tenured position that they can never be fired from, delegate all the crap work and make $150k+ a year


Again, if you weren't a gimmick, I'd put good money on the fact that you've never been on a university campus.

You don't know what you're talking about.

Sure thing bud. It's a good thing we have these selfless warriors dedicating themselves tirelessly to the betterment of humanity.
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Zeeak4444
09/07/17 9:59:55 PM
#30:


Intro2Logic posted...
Why doesn't someone make a moderate college or a conservative university, and get all the kids and professors who don't want politics in their learning?


That's most of the religious institutions TBH.

Obviously, they don't actually do that though.
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COVxy
09/07/17 10:01:05 PM
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REMercsChamp posted...
Sure thing bud. It's a good thing we have these selfless warriors dedicating themselves tireless to the betterment of humanity.


Starting professors make around 60k, full professors around 100k, then the most prestigious make around what you're claiming.

All still work 60-80 hour work weeks, which would be liberal when taking into account the amount of work done at home.
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Zeeak4444
09/07/17 10:01:19 PM
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REMercsChamp posted...
COVxy posted...
REMercsChamp posted...
COVxy posted...
Academic scientists work 80+ hour weeks with very little pay,

This is only true for the lower ranked grunts, who are busting their asses with the goal of getting a tenured position that they can never be fired from, delegate all the crap work and make $150k+ a year


Again, if you weren't a gimmick, I'd put good money on the fact that you've never been on a university campus.

You don't know what you're talking about.

Sure thing bud. It's a good thing we have these selfless warriors dedicating themselves tirelessly to the betterment of humanity.


If you weren't a gimmick I'd put good money you were homeschooled or have the absolute minimum experience with education in any capacity.
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Callixtus
09/07/17 10:01:57 PM
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Blo posted...
It'd be fun to compare this topic, and the theories about "hostile environments" within, to discussions of, say, women in tech jobs.

No, no, no self-selection only ever happens when it doesn't involve an "oppressed" group.
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REMercsChamp
09/07/17 10:09:20 PM
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COVxy posted...
which would be liberal

Yep, it sure would be
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Kaname_Madoka
09/07/17 10:10:28 PM
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yesterday iirc
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REMercsChamp
09/07/17 10:10:42 PM
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Zeeak4444 posted...
REMercsChamp posted...
COVxy posted...
REMercsChamp posted...
COVxy posted...
Academic scientists work 80+ hour weeks with very little pay,

This is only true for the lower ranked grunts, who are busting their asses with the goal of getting a tenured position that they can never be fired from, delegate all the crap work and make $150k+ a year


Again, if you weren't a gimmick, I'd put good money on the fact that you've never been on a university campus.

You don't know what you're talking about.

Sure thing bud. It's a good thing we have these selfless warriors dedicating themselves tirelessly to the betterment of humanity.


If you weren't a gimmick I'd put good money you were homeschooled or have the absolute minimum experience with education in any capacity.

Up yours, Zeeak!
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Zeeak4444
09/07/17 10:11:23 PM
#37:


REMercsChamp posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...
REMercsChamp posted...
COVxy posted...
REMercsChamp posted...
COVxy posted...
Academic scientists work 80+ hour weeks with very little pay,

This is only true for the lower ranked grunts, who are busting their asses with the goal of getting a tenured position that they can never be fired from, delegate all the crap work and make $150k+ a year


Again, if you weren't a gimmick, I'd put good money on the fact that you've never been on a university campus.

You don't know what you're talking about.

Sure thing bud. It's a good thing we have these selfless warriors dedicating themselves tirelessly to the betterment of humanity.


If you weren't a gimmick I'd put good money you were homeschooled or have the absolute minimum experience with education in any capacity.

Up yours, Zeeak!


Fair enough.
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COVxy
09/07/17 10:11:33 PM
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REMercsChamp posted...
COVxy posted...
which would be liberal

Yep, it sure would be


Stop peddling bullshit, you're honestly affecting other people. You may think it's all good laughs, but you are really doing harm to others.
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3rd_Best_Master
09/07/17 10:13:32 PM
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I can't tell who in this topic is the most triggered.
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Callixtus
09/07/17 10:20:23 PM
#40:


Zeeak4444 posted...
lderivedx posted...
conservatives getting "weeded" out

fucking lol


This so hard. Give me a break @Callixtus, you can't actually believe that right?

At least not outside of like Evergreen. I have more than a few conservative friends at Berkeley that love it there so we can't use that one either.

Yes, I do actually think it happens. Look at the link I posted. No I don't think that these professors are overtly forced out, but the environment is so hostile to conservatism that some are all but forced out.

Here are some other examples:
Duke professor resigns after controversy where he criticized diversity training: http://www.dukechronicle.com/article/2017/05/divinity-school-professor-resigns-after-dispute-with-colleagues-about-diversity-training-calling-it-a-waste
Penn law professor denounced in letter written by her fellow professors:
http://www.thedp.com/article/2017/08/open-letter-penn-law-faculty
Professor suffered concussion after being attacked by students for engaging with a conservative speaker
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/13/opinion/understanding-the-angry-mob-that-gave-me-a-concussion.html?mcubz=1
Professor resigns after fighting his university in court on a variety of free speech issues, and winning
https://townhall.com/columnists/mikeadams/2017/08/04/my-resignation-from-uncwilmington-n2364243
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Zeeak4444
09/07/17 10:34:53 PM
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The last one wasn't being pushed out. He actually did the exact opposite of what you suggested and retired because he had won so much for the conservatives.

Griffith just sounds like a CEman.

Penn wasn't an issue. Doesn't matter what side of the aisle you're on. If you say stupid shit your employer and coworkers don't like you will probably be asked to leave. That's not an issue with students being indoctrinated or conservatives students/faculty being pushed out for their beliefs. It's for their public actions.

Reading third link now.

The third one I actually agree with. I remember the case. That ones a stickler I'll definelty give you that. His points are extremely good but even he agrees it's an issue of both sides.

It would be like saying liberals are being weeded out and cite a few cases of harassment by pro-lifers or something.
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TradPaladin01
09/07/17 10:37:31 PM
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More academics identify as Marxist than conservative. It'd be impossible to imagine the alternate timeline, where there's more professors who identify as Nazi than liberal, but somehow that's the world we live in.
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Callixtus
09/07/17 10:40:45 PM
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So normal conservative beliefs are "stupid shit" now. Classy.
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Mal_Fet
09/07/17 10:41:26 PM
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It's quite simple: Education, Administration, Student Counseling, and Early Childhood majors are the lowest-IQ college majors.

http://www.statisticbrain.com/iq-estimates-by-intended-college-major/

So is it any wonder why leftists dominate these positions?

lol
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averagejoel
09/07/17 10:41:29 PM
#45:


Callixtus posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...
lderivedx posted...
conservatives getting "weeded" out

fucking lol


This so hard. Give me a break @Callixtus, you can't actually believe that right?

At least not outside of like Evergreen. I have more than a few conservative friends at Berkeley that love it there so we can't use that one either.

Yes, I do actually think it happens. Look at the link I posted. No I don't think that these professors are overtly forced out, but the environment is so hostile to conservatism that some are all but forced out.

Here are some other examples:
Duke professor resigns after controversy where he criticized diversity training: http://www.dukechronicle.com/article/2017/05/divinity-school-professor-resigns-after-dispute-with-colleagues-about-diversity-training-calling-it-a-waste
Penn law professor denounced in letter written by her fellow professors:
http://www.thedp.com/article/2017/08/open-letter-penn-law-faculty
Professor suffered concussion after being attacked by students for engaging with a conservative speaker
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/13/opinion/understanding-the-angry-mob-that-gave-me-a-concussion.html?mcubz=1
Professor resigns after fighting his university in court on a variety of free speech issues, and winning
https://townhall.com/columnists/mikeadams/2017/08/04/my-resignation-from-uncwilmington-n2364243

I'm surprised it's taken this long for the "free speech" non-issue to enter the topic
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Zeeak4444
09/07/17 10:42:20 PM
#46:


Callixtus posted...
So normal conservative beliefs are "stupid shit" now. Classy.


Wait was that towards me or the guy below?
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averagejoel
09/07/17 10:42:35 PM
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Callixtus posted...
So normal conservative beliefs are "stupid shit" now. Classy.

"stupid" no; "harmful to already vulnerable people" yes
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Mal_Fet
09/07/17 10:42:46 PM
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averagejoel posted...
I'm surprised it's taken this long for the "free speech" non-issue to enter the topic

I think free speech stops being a "non-issue" when schools start mandating censorship laws to protect people's feefees.
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TradPaladin01
09/07/17 10:42:52 PM
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Zeeak4444 posted...

The third one I actually agree with. I remember the case. That ones a stickler I'll definelty give you that. His points are extremely good but even he agrees it's an issue of both sides.

It would be like saying liberals are being weeded out and cite a few cases of harassment by pro-lifers or something.

If there were any former abortion clinic bombers with tenure, I would agree with you, because you can't say the same about the Weather Underground.
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Callixtus
09/07/17 10:43:03 PM
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Zeeak4444 posted...
Callixtus posted...
So normal conservative beliefs are "stupid shit" now. Classy.


Wait was that towards me or the guy below?

YOU
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