Current Events > When did colleges and universities become liberal indoctrination centers?

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scar the 1 posted...

Zeeak4444 posted...

Fair enough. When I think asking for hand in marriage I think 18 year old talking to his highschool sweet heart or old fashioned gentleman asking the father.

Well yeah, that's the modern day phenomenon. However the tradition didn't just spring up from nowhere. It came from exactly what you're describing in your second paragraph.
"Hey, I want to marry your daughter."
"Hmm, nope, your estate isn't big enough, I decline."

I mean that's what marriage is/was. A legal arrangement to combine finances/families. It wasn't and isn't 'love' or w/e.
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Seneca_Wallace_ posted...

My cousin had to quit college because she was getting constantly harrassed, getting death threats, people banging on her door, rape threats, etc., because she said she was voting Trump.

Your cousin sounds like a snowflake.
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CrimsonRage posted...

Callixtus posted...

NadYobWoc posted...

Yeah good thing those Japanese people love Jesus so much.

They don't but they are still a society with strong values, unlike ours.

Then move there.

Nope, this country is still my home, despite the fact that it's fast going to shit.
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When did churches become indoctrination centers?
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Knowledge_King posted...

I mean that's what marriage is/was. A legal arrangement to combine finances/families. It wasn't and isn't 'love' or w/e.

Not sure what your point is. What you're describing is a transaction where the woman is bought from the father by the prospective husband, like property. Which is exactly how it was, and still is in some places.
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scar the 1 posted...

Knowledge_King posted...

I mean that's what marriage is/was. A legal arrangement to combine finances/families. It wasn't and isn't 'love' or w/e.

Not sure what your point is. What you're describing is a transaction where the woman is bought from the father by the prospective husband, like property. Which is exactly how it was, and still is in some places.

That's what it's original purpose was. It's now basically a marketing scam in developed countries
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COVxy posted...

Academics are likely overwhelmingly liberal because the nature of the job, seeking information for the good of humanity, tends to self select for liberal ideals. Academic disciplines strive for change, to push knowledge further, and do so for very little monetary inventive. These two things are contrary to the primary tenants of conservative ideology.

COVxy posted...

. Change and disregard for monetary incentive are against the core tenants of conservatism.

That's a pretty good explanation.
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Notti posted...

COVxy posted...

Academics are likely overwhelmingly liberal because the nature of the job, seeking information for the good of humanity, tends to self select for liberal ideals. Academic disciplines strive for change, to push knowledge further, and do so for very little monetary inventive. These two things are contrary to the primary tenants of conservative ideology.

COVxy posted...

. Change and disregard for monetary incentive are against the core tenants of conservatism.

That's a pretty good explanation.

This is pretty funny.

Not only are academics self absorbed and obsessed with money, but they also think they deserve to earn $100k+ a year at the expense of ripping off students and taxpayers with outrageous tuition and other expenses while doing very little work of questionable value.
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Somewhere in the ballpark of forever.
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REMercsChamp posted...

This is pretty funny.

Not only are academics self absorbed and obsessed with money, but they also think they deserve to earn $100k+ a year at the expense of ripping off students and taxpayers with outrageous tuition and other expenses while doing very little work of questionable value.

Wow, this degree of antagonism would lead me to believe that you've been personally very rustled by an academic. If it weren't for the fact that you're obviously trolling, that is.
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scar the 1 posted...

REMercsChamp posted...

This is pretty funny.

Not only are academics self absorbed and obsessed with money, but they also think they deserve to earn $100k+ a year at the expense of ripping off students and taxpayers with outrageous tuition and other expenses while doing very little work of questionable value.

Wow, this degree of antagonism would lead me to believe that you've been personally very rustled by an academic. If it weren't for the fact that you're obviously trolling, that is.

Damn I wish I was 19 and had the whole world figured out like you do
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Facts have a liberal bias soooo...
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REMercsChamp posted...

Damn I wish I was 19 and had the whole world figured out like you do

Ouch, you said I was nineteen and naive. What a zinger!
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ZMythos posted...

Facts have a liberal bias soooo...

Ha, this is actually pretty funny.
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I have a hard time believing TC is Canadian because he spelled it "centers".
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MutantJohn posted...

Ha, this is actually pretty funny.

Tbf, you discredit biology as a field because you don't understand statistics, so you're in no place to laugh.
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COVxy posted...

MutantJohn posted...

Ha, this is actually pretty funny.

Tbf, you discredit biology as a field because you don't understand statistics, so you're in no place to laugh.

Do you ever wonder where the pompous academic stereotype comes from? Check the mirror.
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REMercsChamp posted...

COVxy posted...

MutantJohn posted...

Ha, this is actually pretty funny.

Tbf, you discredit biology as a field because you don't understand statistics, so you're in no place to laugh.

Do you ever wonder where the pompous academic stereotype comes from? Check the mirror.

That's his gimmick.
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Callixtus posted...

That's his gimmick.

It's not pompous to expect someone to know how to read and understand the paper they cite. These are reasonable expectations.
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I like how people think they have a right to condescend to someone based on the fact that the person knows more than them about specific stuff. Like, how much of a self-loathing wasteland do you have to be to be putting your insecurities on other people?
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Bio largely is pretty fake, I have no ragerts about that
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MutantJohn posted...

Bio largely is pretty fake, I have no ragerts about that

#fakenews
#cnn
#thetruthisoutthere
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MutantJohn posted...

Bio largely is pretty fake, I have no ragerts about that

So are a lot of things. Did you know that the Earth is only ~16000 years old and the Sun orbits around it? NASA don't want us to know this, because that would increase our love of Jesus.
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scar the 1 posted...

MutantJohn posted...

Bio largely is pretty fake, I have no ragerts about that

So are a lot of things. Did you know that the Earth is only ~16000 years old and the Sun orbits around it? NASA don't want us to know this, because that would increase our love of Jesus.

The butthurt grad student who drank the academic koolaid, everyone
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Bazinga!
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Mal_Fet posted...

http://www.statisticbrain.com/iq-estimates-by-intended-college-major/

lol . That is a fun read. Backs up what I always have said.
Lowest IQ are among majors in Education and Student Counseling. Kids these days don't get this stupid on purpose. I've been saying teachers are idiots for over 20 years. And now working among them (getting in my way) sometimes since I'm maintenance for a school district. Jfc it's amazing how stupid these people are.
Administration. This! So much fucking this! The dumbest fucking people I have ever run into in my life are always administration types. Management. Look at my degree on the wall that justifies this 100k job of mine. Yet they can't think their way out of a wet paper bag.
Home Economics. Going by how many people are in crippling debt I would say this one is obvious. Who majors in this anyway though?
"Special" whatever the hell that is. I'm sure it's "special" alright.
And Social Worker at the bottom. Dealt with them too being in schools. I'll just sum up all my thoughts in them by saying there's a special place in hell for social workers. The biggest idiot jackasses of all possible government employees but have the ability to easily irreparably fuck up people's lives.
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EternalDivide posted...

lol . That is a fun read. Backs up what I always have said.

Last I checked what they did was "estimate" IQ by using a predictive linear model from SAT scores, generated from a sample of ~100 undergrads, which within that sample only accounted for about ~25% of the variance of IQ.

The only reason people post it is because it agrees with their preconceived notions. If it didn't, you wouldn't find it interesting.
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If you don't believe me, correlate their SAT total score with their IQ estimate, you'll get an interesting result ;).

Since that website has become apparently a whole company now, rather than just a shitty blog, they have removed any explanation of their methodology and just cited ETS as if they provided the IQ scores, which is pretty fucking sketchy.
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COVxy posted...

If you don't believe me,

Who wouldn't believe a shit poster like you?
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You've got all the great insults today. God, you rockin' it!
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COVxy posted...

You've got all the great insults today. God, you rockin' it!

Are you or are you not a career student who knows nothing about the real world?
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REMercsChamp posted...

COVxy posted...

You've got all the great insults today. God, you rockin' it!

Are you or are you not a career student who knows nothing about the real world?

You have no real insight into who I am, don't pretend you do lol.
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REMercsChamp posted...

COVxy posted...

If you don't believe me,

Who wouldn't believe a shit poster like you?

Kineth posted...

REMercsChamp posted...

MutantJohn posted...

they learn to not be short-sighted and self-obsessed.

I can hardly think of anyone more self-important and self-obsessed than an academic

The irony is that you are conveying a sense of self-importance and I won't even bother commenting on the self-obsession part, but point is, what the fuck does your opinion matter? It's not backed up by anything. I could literally say Chris Jericho, the wrestler, portrayed a persona with more self-importance and self-obsession. Or even the Kim dynasty with the amount of statues, pictures, painting, etc that show depictions, images and etc. of them, as well as the propaganda that he forces the citizens to watch or about like the 18 hole-in-ones story. Hell, Henry VIII literally changed the Country's religion to Protestantism because he wanted to break tradition and be able to divorce some of the wives that didn't get killed or die.

Point is it's a disingenuous sentiment that doesn't fairly represent anything. There's either a lack of information, whether studied, or learned from the environment to explain the lack of context and other plausible possibilities, a clear bias against the subject that leads to things like: intending to discredit them, failing to see individuality in a group leading to failure to see the individual as anything but an idealized representation of the object in your head which leads to speaking of an unrealistic subject because it's not a realistic representation or a respectable one at that. It's likely a mix of both when people say this as a true sentiment instead of just to troll.


I don't want to even bother with the weird deflective conversation about matrimony in the black community. Like.. really. What the fuck is this topic supposed to be about

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COVxy posted...

You've got all the great insults today. God, you rockin' it!

It's all he can do when you bring out big fake words like "correlate with a linear model" and "variance". That's so pompous and self-important of you.
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The Admiral posted...

Colleges have always skewed liberal, but this SJW horseshit didn't start until around 2010.

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If you're taking a sociology (or related) class, then of course it's going to talk about society and bring awareness to societal issues such as institutional racism and such. I don't see what's the problem with that.
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josifrees posted...

The moment liberalism was the smart thing ie the whole of human history

If that was true than why did liberalism not exist for 99% of human history?

Mal_Fet posted...

It's quite simple: Education, Administration, Student Counseling, and Early Childhood majors are the lowest-IQ college majors.

http://www.statisticbrain.com/iq-estimates-by-intended-college-major/

So is it any wonder why leftists dominate these positions?

lol

That's just sad.
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MangaFan462 posted...

That's just sad.

You gonna just ignore that their SAT scores are perfectly correlated with their IQ scores?
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M-Watcher posted...

If you're taking a sociology (or related) class, then of course it's going to talk about society and bring awareness to societal issues such as institutional racism and such. I don't see what's the problem with that.

There is no problem in and of itself that sociology might bring awareness to those issues. But when you have entire majors, for example gender studies, being completely dominated not even by liberals, but straight up Marxists and other radicals you can't be completely surprised that political biases are passed off as foundational assumptions of the field of study. Huge swaths of academia and its scholarship are likely contaminated by these biases.
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Callixtus posted...

There is no problem in and of itself that sociology might bring awareness to those issues. But when you have entire majors, for example gender studies, being completely dominated not even by liberals, but straight up Marxists and other radicals you can't be completely surprised that political biases are passed off as foundational assumptions of the field of study. Huge swaths of academia and its scholarship are likely contaminated by these biases.

You're talking about extremely small sub-fields of small fields, most of which by their very nature tend to be subjective and therefore should be taken subjectively.

Thinking liberal biases are contaminating academia as a whole when it's largely composed of engineering, science, and mathematics is pretty silly.

At best, you are taking a very small proportion of people that nobody takes seriously to begin with, and pretending that it's endemic among academia as a whole.
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COVxy posted...

Callixtus posted...

There is no problem in and of itself that sociology might bring awareness to those issues. But when you have entire majors, for example gender studies, being completely dominated not even by liberals, but straight up Marxists and other radicals you can't be completely surprised that political biases are passed off as foundational assumptions of the field of study. Huge swaths of academia and its scholarship are likely contaminated by these biases.

You're talking about extremely small sub-fields of small fields, most of which by their very nature tend to be subjective and therefore should be taken subjectively.

Thinking liberal biases are contaminating academia as a whole when it's largely composed of engineering, science, and mathematics is pretty silly.

At best, you are taking a very small proportion of people that nobody takes seriously to begin with, and pretending that it's endemic among academia as a whole.

Sure scientific or quantitative departments aren't as likely to be contaminated by biases, but this isn't always necessarily the case (economics, if you consider it at least quantitatively-leaning could very well be subject to bias). But those fields happen to have a relatively good mix of liberals and conservatives. But to pretend that the only areas subject to bias are a very small proportion is a huge understatement.

Huge swaths of the humanities and social sciences are dominated by liberals and Marxists, and this is especially true at some of the most elite universities, where students that are likely to be the most influential and powerful.
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Callixtus posted...

Huge swaths of the humanities and social sciences are dominated by liberals and Marxists, and this is especially true at some of the most elite universities, with students that are likely to be the most influential and powerful.

My university, which is a relatively large university, had 9 students graduate with a gender studies degree last year. Only about ~60 from sociology, 9 from philosophy, ~20 from history.

Compare this to ~450 in health science, ~300 bio, ~100 biochem, ~100 cs. These are specific to my university, but the point stands, you assume the average university student is a gender studies major, but that is simply not true.

Humanities departments are often very small in relation to the science departments, mainly because of funding. The university can't afford to hire many faculty in departments that aren't bringing in grant money.
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It's true, education has a liberal bias. Avoid it at all costs.
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COVxy posted...

Callixtus posted...

Huge swaths of the humanities and social sciences are dominated by liberals and Marxists, and this is especially true at some of the most elite universities, with students that are likely to be the most influential and powerful.

My university, which is a relatively large university, had 9 students graduate with a gender studies degree last year. Only about ~60 from sociology, 9 from philosophy, ~20 from history.

Compare this to ~450 in health science, ~300 bio, ~100 biochem, ~100 cs. These are specific to my university, but the point stands, you assume the average university student is a gender studies major, but that is simply not true.

Humanities departments are often very small in relation to the science departments, mainly because of funding. The university can't afford to hire many faculty in departments that aren't bringing in grant money.

And no one cares about the bias in health science or biochemical because those are fields where political bias is not likely to have much effect. You either have hard data that supports your propositions or you don't. That's the end of it.

However, what about the biology major that uses their electives to take a gender studies course or a history course that influences how they will think about the world and perhaps inform their political beliefs, and every professor they run into is on the far left if not a Marxist?

You can't just ignore the problem by saying not everyone majors in gender studies. The fact is that some people do major in gender studies, and those people are given an overwhelmingly biased education that fails the goal of the university which is to challenge our basic assumptions, and force us to think critically. Second, the people that don't major in gender studies are going to be influenced by those who do or the professors who teach it in myriad ways because universities aren't (at least not completely) segregated by major.
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Waaaah muh liberal indoctrination
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Callixtus posted...

The fact is that some people do major in gender studies, and those people are given an overwhelmingly biased education that fails the goal of the university which is to challenge our basic assumptions, and force us to think critically.

Why do you think it fails to do that? These classes are moreover philosophy, and the students are often given many chances to write up argumentation, which isn't graded by the direction of the argument, but how well it's made.

Just because you disagree with the subject matter doesn't make it not critical.
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COVxy posted...

Callixtus posted...

The fact is that some people do major in gender studies, and those people are given an overwhelmingly biased education that fails the goal of the university which is to challenge our basic assumptions, and force us to think critically.

Why do you think it fails to do that? These classes are moreover philosophy, and the students are often given many chances to write up argumentation, which isn't graded by the direction of the argument, but how well it's made.

Just because you disagree with the subject matter doesn't make it not critical.

Merely because a student in theory can sign up for gender studies, despite being a bible-thumping, free market capitalist, and ace every exam and paper doesn't mean that it is a realistic scenario. Several majors start with a presumption that you are not just a liberal, but a full-on leftist, and to think that a rightwing conservative student would survive in an environment where 99% of their peers would absolutely despite them is unrealistic.

Even expressing traditional views on marriage or transgender issues in public frequently occasions outrage. Doing so in the heart of liberal academia is not sustainable.
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Callixtus posted...

Merely because a student in theory can sign up for gender studies, despite being a bible-thumping, free market capitalist, and ace every exam and paper doesn't mean that it is a realistic scenario. Several majors start with a presumption that you are not just a liberal, but a full-on leftist, and to think that a rightwing conservative student would survive in an environment where 99% of their peers would absolutely despite them is unrealistic.

Even expressing traditional views on marriage or transgender issues in public frequently occasions outrage. Doing so in the heart of liberal academia is not a sustainable practice.

Have you ever taken one of these classes? Or really any class at a university?
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