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Callixtus 09/12/17 6:36:34 PM #201:	COVxy posted... Callixtus posted... Merely because a student in theory can sign up for gender studies, despite being a bible-thumping, free market capitalist, and ace every exam and paper doesn't mean that it is a realistic scenario. Several majors start with a presumption that you are not just a liberal, but a full-on leftist, and to think that a rightwing conservative student would survive in an environment where 99% of their peers would absolutely despite them is unrealistic. Even expressing traditional views on marriage or transgender issues in public frequently occasions outrage. Doing so in the heart of liberal academia is not a sustainable practice. Have you ever taken one of these classes? Or really any class at a university? The classic COVxy response, which is that no one has any experience in academia or universities besides himself. Actually yes, I graduated with a social science and humanities degree from an elite university, and am now at a top 3 law school. So by the time I graduate I will have degrees from 3 academic departments. Is that enough for you? --- Liberal Arrogance:Academics are overwhelmingly liberal because the nature of the job, seeking information for the good of humanity, self selects liberals--COVxy <cite>Callixtus posted [p:886486350] in When did c... [t:75752415]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote>Merely because a student in theory can sign up for gender studies, despite being a bible-thumping, free market capitalist, and ace every exam and paper doesn't mean that it is a realistic scenario. Several majors start with a presumption that you are not just a liberal, but a full-on leftist, and to think that a rightwing conservative student would survive in an environment where 99% of their peers would absolutely despite them is unrealistic. Even expressing traditional views on marriage or transgender issues in public frequently occasions outrage. Doing so in the heart of liberal academia is not a sustainable practice.</quote> Have you ever taken one of these classes? Or really any class at a university?</quote> The classic COVxy response, which is that no one has any experience in academia or universities besides himself. Actually yes, I graduated with a social science and humanities degree from an elite university, and am now at a top 3 law school. So by the time I graduate I will have degrees from 3 academic departments. Is that enough for you?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 09/12/17 6:37:44 PM #202:	Callixtus posted... The classic COVxy response, which is that no one has any experience in academia or universities besides himself. Actually yes, I graduated with a social science and humanities degree from an elite university, and am now at a top 3 law school. And what you just described was your honest experience in those classes? --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:886486413] in When did c... [t:75752415]...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote>The classic COVxy response, which is that no one has any experience in academia or universities besides himself. Actually yes, I graduated with a social science and humanities degree from an elite university, and am now at a top 3 law school. </quote> And what you just described was your honest experience in those classes?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
M-Watcher 09/12/17 6:38:08 PM #203:	Callixtus posted... However, what about the biology major that uses their electives to take a gender studies course or a history course that influences how they will think about the world and perhaps inform their political beliefs, and every professor they run into is on the far left if not a Marxist? Marxist Marxist Marxist Marxist... You keep repeating that word. I don't think it's as big of a worry as you think it is. It's literally just a set of beliefs that isn't any more harmful than most other belief systems. And again, I don't see what's wrong with being aware of things like how gender is treated in this society. Most people are not going to go crazy because of such things. Political beliefs are influenced by a variety of factors anyway. From family to friends to religion to school to work to the news to whatever. For example, I used to support the death penalty, but then I learned how much of a colossal waste of money it is from class and articles, and now I don't. My knowledge expanded and, in my general practical viewpoint, determined it's more useful to save money then throw it at constant legal fees for little reward. So, pretty much, you are making mountains out of molehills. --- NNID: MWatcher27 / 3DS FC: 1203 - 9408 - 2283 http://steamcommunity.com/id/MWatcher/wishlist <cite>M-Watcher posted [p:886486436] in When did c... [t:75752415]...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote>However, what about the biology major that uses their electives to take a gender studies course or a history course that influences how they will think about the world and perhaps inform their political beliefs, and every professor they run into is on the far left if not a Marxist? </quote> Marxist Marxist Marxist Marxist... You keep repeating that word. I don't think it's as big of a worry as you think it is. It's literally just a set of beliefs that isn't any more harmful than most other belief systems. And again, I don't see what's wrong with being aware of things like how gender is treated in this society. Most people are not going to go crazy because of such things. Political beliefs are influenced by a variety of factors anyway. From family to friends to religion to school to work to the news to whatever. For example, I used to support the death penalty, but then I learned how much of a colossal waste of money it is from class and articles, and now I don't. My knowledge expanded and, in my general practical viewpoint, determined it's more useful to save money then throw it at constant legal fees for little reward. So, pretty much, you are making mountains out of molehills.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Callixtus 09/12/17 6:38:41 PM #204:	COVxy posted... Callixtus posted... The classic COVxy response, which is that no one has any experience in academia or universities besides himself. Actually yes, I graduated with a social science and humanities degree from an elite university, and am now at a top 3 law school. And what you just described was your honest experience in those classes? Do you think I am making this up? Have you ever taken a class in a humanities department? Let's talk about your qualifications. --- Liberal Arrogance:Academics are overwhelmingly liberal because the nature of the job, seeking information for the good of humanity, self selects liberals--COVxy <cite>Callixtus posted [p:886486458] in When did c... [t:75752415]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote>The classic COVxy response, which is that no one has any experience in academia or universities besides himself. Actually yes, I graduated with a social science and humanities degree from an elite university, and am now at a top 3 law school. </quote> And what you just described was your honest experience in those classes?</quote> Do you think I am making this up? Have you ever taken a class in a humanities department? Let's talk about your qualifications.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 09/12/17 6:39:59 PM #205:	Callixtus posted... Do you think I am making this up? Have you ever taken a class in a humanities department? Let's talk about your qualifications. Yes, and none of them seem to match your experience. It seems so strange here that it's mostly just alt-right posters that seem to have this terrible experience being degraded in humanities classes, while everyone else seems to do just fine. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:886486517] in When did c... [t:75752415]...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote>Do you think I am making this up? Have you ever taken a class in a humanities department? Let's talk about your qualifications. </quote> Yes, and none of them seem to match your experience. It seems so strange here that it's mostly just alt-right posters that seem to have this terrible experience being degraded in humanities classes, while everyone else seems to do just fine.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Callixtus 09/12/17 6:42:18 PM #206:	M-Watcher posted... Callixtus posted... However, what about the biology major that uses their electives to take a gender studies course or a history course that influences how they will think about the world and perhaps inform their political beliefs, and every professor they run into is on the far left if not a Marxist? Marxist Marxist Marxist Marxist... You keep repeating that word. I don't think it's as big of a worry as you think it is. It's literally just a set of beliefs that isn't any more harmful than most other belief systems. And again, I don't see what's wrong with being aware of things like how gender is treated in this society. Most people are not going to go crazy because of such things. Political beliefs are influenced by a variety of factors anyway. From family to friends to religion to school to work to the news to whatever. For example, I used to support the death penalty, but then I learned how much of a colossal waste of money it is from class and articles, and now I don't. My knowledge expanded and, in my general practical viewpoint, determined it's more useful to save money then throw it at constant legal fees for little reward. So, pretty much, you are making mountains out of molehills. I never said being a Marxist was a bad idea. It's good to be familiar with Marxism, and as a discipline whether in cultural or economic forms has contributed a lot to our way of thinking. The problem is when huge swaths of academia are on the far left, and students only receive an account from biased professors who produce biased scholarship. Same thing applies to gender studies. There is next to no one in academia arguing for traditional marriage or against progressive gender goals. It's completely one-sided. Students who disagree must either come up with their own arguments, because they aren't being equipped to argue against these narratives or merely disagree without any reasoning at all (which of course is a foundation built on sand). And this is not about whether students should believe one way or the other. Only that certain arguments and positions are favored by the structure of academia. --- Liberal Arrogance:Academics are overwhelmingly liberal because the nature of the job, seeking information for the good of humanity, self selects liberals--COVxy <cite>Callixtus posted [p:886486642] in When did c... [t:75752415]...</cite> <quote><cite>M-Watcher posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote>However, what about the biology major that uses their electives to take a gender studies course or a history course that influences how they will think about the world and perhaps inform their political beliefs, and every professor they run into is on the far left if not a Marxist? </quote> Marxist Marxist Marxist Marxist... You keep repeating that word. I don't think it's as big of a worry as you think it is. It's literally just a set of beliefs that isn't any more harmful than most other belief systems. And again, I don't see what's wrong with being aware of things like how gender is treated in this society. Most people are not going to go crazy because of such things. Political beliefs are influenced by a variety of factors anyway. From family to friends to religion to school to work to the news to whatever. For example, I used to support the death penalty, but then I learned how much of a colossal waste of money it is from class and articles, and now I don't. My knowledge expanded and, in my general practical viewpoint, determined it's more useful to save money then throw it at constant legal fees for little reward. So, pretty much, you are making mountains out of molehills.</quote> I never said being a Marxist was a bad idea. It's good to be familiar with Marxism, and as a discipline whether in cultural or economic forms has contributed a lot to our way of thinking. The problem is when huge swaths of academia are on the far left, and students only receive an account from biased professors who produce biased scholarship. Same thing applies to gender studies. There is next to no one in academia arguing for traditional marriage or against progressive gender goals. It's completely one-sided. Students who disagree must either come up with their own arguments, because they aren't being equipped to argue against these narratives or merely disagree without any reasoning at all (which of course is a foundation built on sand). And this is not about whether students should believe one way or the other. Only that certain arguments and positions are favored by the structure of academia.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Callixtus 09/12/17 6:43:27 PM #207:	COVxy posted... Callixtus posted... Do you think I am making this up? Have you ever taken a class in a humanities department? Let's talk about your qualifications. Yes, and none of them seem to match your experience. It seems so strange here that it's mostly just alt-right posters that seem to have this terrible experience being degraded in humanities classes, while everyone else seems to do just fine. lmao at thinking I'm an alt-right poster. I'm a moderate Democrat, that is left-leaning on economic issues, but probably more socially conservative than your average college student. --- Liberal Arrogance:Academics are overwhelmingly liberal because the nature of the job, seeking information for the good of humanity, self selects liberals--COVxy <cite>Callixtus posted [p:886486704] in When did c... [t:75752415]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote>Do you think I am making this up? Have you ever taken a class in a humanities department? Let's talk about your qualifications. </quote> Yes, and none of them seem to match your experience. It seems so strange here that it's mostly just alt-right posters that seem to have this terrible experience being degraded in humanities classes, while everyone else seems to do just fine.</quote> lmao at thinking I'm an alt-right poster. I'm a moderate Democrat, that is left-leaning on economic issues, but probably more socially conservative than your average college student.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 09/12/17 6:45:28 PM #208:	Callixtus posted... I'm a moderate Democrat, that is left-leaning on economic issues, but probably more socially conservative than your average college student. There are many "moderate democrat" posters on this board, who "have been turned away from the democratic party due to the massive SJWs" and therefore "voted for Trump just on those grounds". I mean, Mal_Fet is a libertarian! --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:886486817] in When did c... [t:75752415]...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote>I'm a moderate Democrat, that is left-leaning on economic issues, but probably more socially conservative than your average college student. </quote> There are many "moderate democrat" posters on this board, who "have been turned away from the democratic party due to the massive SJWs" and therefore "voted for Trump just on those grounds". I mean, Mal_Fet is a libertarian!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
M-Watcher 09/12/17 6:50:54 PM #209:	Callixtus posted... There is next to no one in academia arguing for traditional marriage or against progressive gender goals. Funny you should say that, as I'm taking a Sociology of Family class and the question that was asked? What are traditional families? And there is no real answer because it changes over time. There is no arguing "for" or "against" it's about assessing the history, the research, and forming your own conclusions based on all that. My professors don't usually force their beliefs on the class. They respect the beliefs of their students, but arguments are presented as a challenge. That's what academia is supposed to do, it's supposed to challenge. But of course, that's my personal experiences. And everyone has different experiences. --- NNID: MWatcher27 / 3DS FC: 1203 - 9408 - 2283 http://steamcommunity.com/id/MWatcher/wishlist <cite>M-Watcher posted [p:886487104] in When did c... [t:75752415]...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote>There is next to no one in academia arguing for traditional marriage or against progressive gender goals.</quote> Funny you should say that, as I'm taking a Sociology of Family class and the question that was asked? What are traditional families? And there is no real answer because it changes over time. There is no arguing "for" or "against" it's about assessing the history, the research, and forming your own conclusions based on all that. My professors don't usually force their beliefs on the class. They respect the beliefs of their students, but arguments are presented as a challenge. That's what academia is supposed to do, it's supposed to challenge. But of course, that's my personal experiences. And everyone has different experiences.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Callixtus 09/12/17 6:53:11 PM #210:	COVxy posted... Callixtus posted... I'm a moderate Democrat, that is left-leaning on economic issues, but probably more socially conservative than your average college student. There are many "moderate democrat" posters on this board, who "have been turned away from the democratic party due to the massive SJWs" and therefore "voted for Trump just on those grounds". I mean, Mal_Fet is a libertarian! Strawman. I'm not Mal_Fet I didn't vote for Trump, but Obama and Hillary. I have never voted for a non-Democrat in my life. More likely for me, I won't become a Republican, but probably just an independent if the Democratic Party continues as it is, because it has surrendered it's position as a force to protect the working class and labor rights, and instead given itself over to narrow, divisive identity politics and has become hostile to traditional morality in a number of ways. So I hope I passed the bar for a poster who COVxy deems worthy to talk to for political affiliation alone. Meanwhile, COVxy will continue to act as if he knows more about the humanities and social sciences than people who spent 4 years in those departments every single day. --- Liberal Arrogance:Academics are overwhelmingly liberal because the nature of the job, seeking information for the good of humanity, self selects liberals--COVxy <cite>Callixtus posted [p:886487222] in When did c... [t:75752415]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote>I'm a moderate Democrat, that is left-leaning on economic issues, but probably more socially conservative than your average college student. </quote> There are many "moderate democrat" posters on this board, who "have been turned away from the democratic party due to the massive SJWs" and therefore "voted for Trump just on those grounds". I mean, Mal_Fet is a libertarian!</quote> Strawman. I'm not Mal_Fet I didn't vote for Trump, but Obama and Hillary. I have never voted for a non-Democrat in my life. More likely for me, I won't become a Republican, but probably just an independent if the Democratic Party continues as it is, because it has surrendered it's position as a force to protect the working class and labor rights, and instead given itself over to narrow, divisive identity politics and has become hostile to traditional morality in a number of ways. So I hope I passed the bar for a poster who COVxy deems worthy to talk to for political affiliation alone. Meanwhile, COVxy will continue to act as if he knows more about the humanities and social sciences than people who spent 4 years in those departments every single day.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Callixtus 09/12/17 6:54:46 PM #211:	M-Watcher posted... Callixtus posted... There is next to no one in academia arguing for traditional marriage or against progressive gender goals. Funny you should say that, as I'm taking a Sociology of Family class and the question that was asked? What are traditional families? And there is no real answer because it changes over time. There is no arguing "for" or "against" it's about assessing the history, the research, and forming your own conclusions based on all that. My professors don't usually force their beliefs on the class. They respect the beliefs of their students, but arguments are presented as a challenge. That's what academia is supposed to do, it's supposed to challenge. But of course, that's my personal experiences. And everyone has different experiences. I never said anything about traditional families. Traditional marriage, inasmuch as it involves a male-female union and not two members of the same sex, has been the norm for thousands of years in the West. And I don't care about the debate itself, in this discussion, merely that it is not wrong to say that in many academic circles, many common beliefs are regarded as beyond the pale. --- Liberal Arrogance:Academics are overwhelmingly liberal because the nature of the job, seeking information for the good of humanity, self selects liberals--COVxy <cite>Callixtus posted [p:886487310] in When did c... [t:75752415]...</cite> <quote><cite>M-Watcher posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote>There is next to no one in academia arguing for traditional marriage or against progressive gender goals.</quote> Funny you should say that, as I'm taking a Sociology of Family class and the question that was asked? What are traditional families? And there is no real answer because it changes over time. There is no arguing "for" or "against" it's about assessing the history, the research, and forming your own conclusions based on all that. My professors don't usually force their beliefs on the class. They respect the beliefs of their students, but arguments are presented as a challenge. That's what academia is supposed to do, it's supposed to challenge. But of course, that's my personal experiences. And everyone has different experiences.</quote> I never said anything about traditional families. Traditional marriage, inasmuch as it involves a male-female union and not two members of the same sex, has been the norm for thousands of years in the West. And I don't care about the debate itself, in this discussion, merely that it is not wrong to say that in many academic circles, many common beliefs are regarded as beyond the pale.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 09/12/17 6:57:47 PM #212:	Callixtus posted... Meanwhile, COVxy will continue to act as if he knows more about the humanities and social sciences than people who spent 4 years in those departments every single day. I mean, my undergraduate major was psychology and I'm getting my PhD in neuroscience from within a psychology department. So, uh, yeah. Does 8+ years trump your 4? I've taken classes in sociology, anthropology, and philosophy, most in anthropology and philosophy out of those three. I don't know what to tell you, nobody ever forced any political beliefs on me. The closest to politics I've gotten was in the sociology class, when discussing criminality and poverty. That sociology class, btw, had this one book on deviancy, that had this really crazy conspiracy theory like idea about the power structure of society and influence on poverty. Guess what? I still think it's a conspiracy theory. Because as a college student, I was taught first and foremost the importance of critical reasoning. If you've felt like you had to hide your beliefs, if you felt beliefs shoved down your throat, my guess is that it's mostly just your perception. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:886487468] in When did c... [t:75752415]...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote>Meanwhile, COVxy will continue to act as if he knows more about the humanities and social sciences than people who spent 4 years in those departments every single day. </quote> I mean, my undergraduate major was psychology and I'm getting my PhD in neuroscience from within a psychology department. So, uh, yeah. Does 8+ years trump your 4? I've taken classes in sociology, anthropology, and philosophy, most in anthropology and philosophy out of those three. I don't know what to tell you, nobody ever forced any political beliefs on me. The closest to politics I've gotten was in the sociology class, when discussing criminality and poverty. That sociology class, btw, had this one book on deviancy, that had this really crazy conspiracy theory like idea about the power structure of society and influence on poverty. Guess what? I still think it's a conspiracy theory. Because as a college student, I was taught first and foremost the importance of critical reasoning. If you've felt like you had to hide your beliefs, if you felt beliefs shoved down your throat, my guess is that it's mostly just your perception.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 09/12/17 11:29:30 PM #213:	Callixtus posted... COVxy posted... Callixtus posted... The classic COVxy response, which is that no one has any experience in academia or universities besides himself. Actually yes, I graduated with a social science and humanities degree from an elite university, and am now at a top 3 law school. And what you just described was your honest experience in those classes? Do you think I am making this up? Yes. I find it hard to believe that a fucking law student would just randomly join GameFAQs simply to shit post. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:886501350] in When did c... [t:75752415]...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote>The classic COVxy response, which is that no one has any experience in academia or universities besides himself. Actually yes, I graduated with a social science and humanities degree from an elite university, and am now at a top 3 law school. </quote> And what you just described was your honest experience in those classes?</quote> Do you think I am making this up?</quote> Yes. I find it hard to believe that a fucking law student would just randomly join GameFAQs simply to shit post.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 09/13/17 2:27:22 AM #214:	Callixtus posted... And I don't care about the debate itself, in this discussion, merely that it is not wrong to say that in many academic circles, many common beliefs are regarded as beyond the pale. And why do you think that is? --- Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two. <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:886507604] in When did c... [t:75752415]...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote>And I don't care about the debate itself, in this discussion, merely that it is not wrong to say that in many academic circles, many common beliefs are regarded as beyond the pale.</quote> And why do you think that is?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MutantJohn 09/13/17 9:53:17 AM #215:	Kineth posted... Callixtus posted... COVxy posted... Callixtus posted... The classic COVxy response, which is that no one has any experience in academia or universities besides himself. Actually yes, I graduated with a social science and humanities degree from an elite university, and am now at a top 3 law school. And what you just described was your honest experience in those classes? Do you think I am making this up? Yes. I find it hard to believe that a fucking law student would just randomly join GameFAQs simply to shit post. Do you not remember P2E? --- "Oh, my mother; oh, my friends, ask the angels, will I ever see heaven again?" - Laura Marling <cite>MutantJohn posted [p:886518175] in When did c... [t:75752415]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote>The classic COVxy response, which is that no one has any experience in academia or universities besides himself. Actually yes, I graduated with a social science and humanities degree from an elite university, and am now at a top 3 law school. </quote> And what you just described was your honest experience in those classes?</quote> Do you think I am making this up?</quote> Yes. I find it hard to believe that a fucking law student would just randomly join GameFAQs simply to shit post.</quote> Do you not remember P2E?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Callixtus 09/13/17 11:14:01 AM #216:	Kineth posted... Callixtus posted... COVxy posted... Callixtus posted... The classic COVxy response, which is that no one has any experience in academia or universities besides himself. Actually yes, I graduated with a social science and humanities degree from an elite university, and am now at a top 3 law school. And what you just described was your honest experience in those classes? Do you think I am making this up? Yes. I find it hard to believe that a fucking law student would just randomly join GameFAQs simply to shit post. I joined GameFAQs way before I was a law student. I've been posting on this site for 8 years. --- Liberal Arrogance:Academics are overwhelmingly liberal because the nature of the job, seeking information for the good of humanity, self selects liberals--COVxy <cite>Callixtus posted [p:886521599] in When did c... [t:75752415]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote>The classic COVxy response, which is that no one has any experience in academia or universities besides himself. Actually yes, I graduated with a social science and humanities degree from an elite university, and am now at a top 3 law school. </quote> And what you just described was your honest experience in those classes?</quote> Do you think I am making this up?</quote> Yes. I find it hard to believe that a fucking law student would just randomly join GameFAQs simply to shit post.</quote> I joined GameFAQs way before I was a law student. I've been posting on this site for 8 years.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Callixtus 09/13/17 11:22:07 AM #218:	COVxy posted... Callixtus posted... Meanwhile, COVxy will continue to act as if he knows more about the humanities and social sciences than people who spent 4 years in those departments every single day. I mean, my undergraduate major was psychology and I'm getting my PhD in neuroscience from within a psychology department. So, uh, yeah. Does 8+ years trump your 4? I've taken classes in sociology, anthropology, and philosophy, most in anthropology and philosophy out of those three. I don't know what to tell you, nobody ever forced any political beliefs on me. The closest to politics I've gotten was in the sociology class, when discussing criminality and poverty. That sociology class, btw, had this one book on deviancy, that had this really crazy conspiracy theory like idea about the power structure of society and influence on poverty. Guess what? I still think it's a conspiracy theory. Because as a college student, I was taught first and foremost the importance of critical reasoning. If you've felt like you had to hide your beliefs, if you felt beliefs shoved down your throat, my guess is that it's mostly just your perception. If you're getting a neuroscience PhD I'm gonna render the guess that you probably spent most of your career in the more quantitative areas of psych and not the squishy theoretical ones, but again, questioning someone's academic credentials on the internet is a losing game. You should have figured that out by now given how you like to present yourself as intelligent. And again I never said that professors will force political beliefs on someone. I said it's not realistic to expect that conservative students will thrive in these overwhelmingly leftist fields for cultural reasons. I can't tell you how many times I've heard professors either 1) slur Christianity or Christians in some way through stereotyping and misrepresentation 2) show complete ignorance of Christian doctrine while doing so 3) make classes awkwardly political by constantly criticizing Trump 4) assume that students side with them on controversial political issues like abortion or gender identity. For Christ's sake a bunch of law professors at University of Pennsylvania just denounced their own colleague not for any reasons of legal scholarship, but because she expressed some conservative moral ideals. And you people are telling me that professors won't promote orthodoxy among students, when they are enforcing it among their own peers! --- Liberal Arrogance:Academics are overwhelmingly liberal because the nature of the job, seeking information for the good of humanity, self selects liberals--COVxy <cite>Callixtus posted [p:886521915] in When did c... [t:75752415]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote>Meanwhile, COVxy will continue to act as if he knows more about the humanities and social sciences than people who spent 4 years in those departments every single day. </quote> I mean, my undergraduate major was psychology and I'm getting my PhD in neuroscience from within a psychology department. So, uh, yeah. Does 8+ years trump your 4? I've taken classes in sociology, anthropology, and philosophy, most in anthropology and philosophy out of those three. I don't know what to tell you, nobody ever forced any political beliefs on me. The closest to politics I've gotten was in the sociology class, when discussing criminality and poverty. That sociology class, btw, had this one book on deviancy, that had this really crazy conspiracy theory like idea about the power structure of society and influence on poverty. Guess what? I still think it's a conspiracy theory. Because as a college student, I was taught first and foremost the importance of critical reasoning. If you've felt like you had to hide your beliefs, if you felt beliefs shoved down your throat, my guess is that it's mostly just your perception.</quote> If you're getting a neuroscience PhD I'm gonna render the guess that you probably spent most of your career in the more quantitative areas of psych and not the squishy theoretical ones, but again, questioning someone's academic credentials on the internet is a losing game. You should have figured that out by now given how you like to present yourself as intelligent. And again I never said that professors will force political beliefs on someone. I said it's not realistic to expect that conservative students will thrive in these overwhelmingly leftist fields for cultural reasons. I can't tell you how many times I've heard professors either 1) slur Christianity or Christians in some way through stereotyping and misrepresentation 2) show complete ignorance of Christian doctrine while doing so 3) make classes awkwardly political by constantly criticizing Trump 4) assume that students side with them on controversial political issues like abortion or gender identity. For Christ's sake a bunch of law professors at University of Pennsylvania just denounced their own colleague not for any reasons of legal scholarship, but because she expressed some conservative moral ideals. And you people are telling me that professors won't promote orthodoxy among students, when they are enforcing it among their own peers!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Callixtus 09/13/17 11:34:08 AM #220:	Asherlee10 posted... Callixtus posted... For Christ's sake a bunch of law professors at University of Pennsylvania just denounced their own colleague not for any reasons of legal scholarship, but because she expressed some conservative moral ideals. And you people are telling me that professors won't promote orthodoxy among students, when they are enforcing it among their own peers! That sounds interesting. Can you share the article? Here is the article that the professor wrote:http://www.philly.com/philly/opinion/commentary/paying-the-price-for-breakdown-of-the-countrys-bourgeois-culture-20170809.html Response by other profs:http://www.thedp.com/article/2017/08/open-letter-penn-law-faculty --- Liberal Arrogance:Academics are overwhelmingly liberal because the nature of the job, seeking information for the good of humanity, self selects liberals--COVxy <cite>Callixtus posted [p:886522386] in When did c... [t:75752415]...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote>For Christ's sake a bunch of law professors at University of Pennsylvania just denounced their own colleague not for any reasons of legal scholarship, but because she expressed some conservative moral ideals. And you people are telling me that professors won't promote orthodoxy among students, when they are enforcing it among their own peers!</quote> That sounds interesting. Can you share the article?</quote> Here is the article that the professor wrote:http://www.philly.com/philly/opinion/commentary/paying-the-price-for-breakdown-of-the-countrys-bourgeois-culture-20170809.html Response by other profs:http://www.thedp.com/article/2017/08/open-letter-penn-law-faculty</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 09/13/17 11:36:32 AM #221:	Callixtus posted... Asherlee10 posted... Callixtus posted... For Christ's sake a bunch of law professors at University of Pennsylvania just denounced their own colleague not for any reasons of legal scholarship, but because she expressed some conservative moral ideals. And you people are telling me that professors won't promote orthodoxy among students, when they are enforcing it among their own peers! That sounds interesting. Can you share the article? Here is the article that the professor wrote:http://www.philly.com/philly/opinion/commentary/paying-the-price-for-breakdown-of-the-countrys-bourgeois-culture-20170809.html Response by other profs:http://www.thedp.com/article/2017/08/open-letter-penn-law-faculty They denounced her statements with absolutely no comment on her legal scholarship. More or less saying "she has these views but we do not". How is that an infringement on anyone's rights? How is that in any way a form of bullying? --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:886522468] in When did c... [t:75752415]...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote>For Christ's sake a bunch of law professors at University of Pennsylvania just denounced their own colleague not for any reasons of legal scholarship, but because she expressed some conservative moral ideals. And you people are telling me that professors won't promote orthodoxy among students, when they are enforcing it among their own peers!</quote> That sounds interesting. Can you share the article?</quote> Here is the article that the professor wrote:http://www.philly.com/philly/opinion/commentary/paying-the-price-for-breakdown-of-the-countrys-bourgeois-culture-20170809.html Response by other profs:http://www.thedp.com/article/2017/08/open-letter-penn-law-faculty</quote> They denounced her statements with absolutely no comment on her legal scholarship. More or less saying "she has these views but we do not". How is that an infringement on anyone's rights? How is that in any way a form of bullying?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 09/13/17 11:39:17 AM #222:	Are those with liberal ideologies supposed to support conservative ideologies for it to be an inviting environment? Seems to me that you're looking to indoctrinate others, not the other way around. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:886522578] in When did c... [t:75752415]...</cite> <quote>Are those with liberal ideologies supposed to support conservative ideologies for it to be an inviting environment? Seems to me that you're looking to indoctrinate others, not the other way around.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Callixtus 09/13/17 11:40:48 AM #224:	COVxy posted... Callixtus posted... Asherlee10 posted... Callixtus posted... For Christ's sake a bunch of law professors at University of Pennsylvania just denounced their own colleague not for any reasons of legal scholarship, but because she expressed some conservative moral ideals. And you people are telling me that professors won't promote orthodoxy among students, when they are enforcing it among their own peers! That sounds interesting. Can you share the article? Here is the article that the professor wrote:http://www.philly.com/philly/opinion/commentary/paying-the-price-for-breakdown-of-the-countrys-bourgeois-culture-20170809.html Response by other profs:http://www.thedp.com/article/2017/08/open-letter-penn-law-faculty They denounced her statements with absolutely no comment on her legal scholarship. More or less saying "she has these views but we do not". How is that an infringement on anyone's rights? How is that in any way a form of bullying? Okay, so apparently it's not bullying to live in a world where expressing normal conservative values promotes a reaction from your peers such that they publicly name and shame you. Jesus, really?? --- Liberal Arrogance:Academics are overwhelmingly liberal because the nature of the job, seeking information for the good of humanity, self selects liberals--COVxy <cite>Callixtus posted [p:886522639] in When did c... [t:75752415]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote>For Christ's sake a bunch of law professors at University of Pennsylvania just denounced their own colleague not for any reasons of legal scholarship, but because she expressed some conservative moral ideals. And you people are telling me that professors won't promote orthodoxy among students, when they are enforcing it among their own peers!</quote> That sounds interesting. Can you share the article?</quote> Here is the article that the professor wrote:http://www.philly.com/philly/opinion/commentary/paying-the-price-for-breakdown-of-the-countrys-bourgeois-culture-20170809.html Response by other profs:http://www.thedp.com/article/2017/08/open-letter-penn-law-faculty</quote> They denounced her statements with absolutely no comment on her legal scholarship. More or less saying "she has these views but we do not". How is that an infringement on anyone's rights? How is that in any way a form of bullying?</quote> Okay, so apparently it's not bullying to live in a world where expressing normal conservative values promotes a reaction from your peers such that they publicly name and shame you. Jesus, really??</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Callixtus 09/13/17 11:42:27 AM #225:	Asherlee10 posted... Callixtus posted... Asherlee10 posted... Callixtus posted... For Christ's sake a bunch of law professors at University of Pennsylvania just denounced their own colleague not for any reasons of legal scholarship, but because she expressed some conservative moral ideals. And you people are telling me that professors won't promote orthodoxy among students, when they are enforcing it among their own peers! That sounds interesting. Can you share the article? Here is the article that the professor wrote:http://www.philly.com/philly/opinion/commentary/paying-the-price-for-breakdown-of-the-countrys-bourgeois-culture-20170809.html Response by other profs:http://www.thedp.com/article/2017/08/open-letter-penn-law-faculty That was interesting. I think the professors were a bit harsh to "condemn" a person for an opinion. However, Amy Wax has a very peculiar perspective on what she thinks would work in today's world in terms of progress. She comes across as some 1960s idealist that if we force the same culture on everyone, whether they want it or not, society would be better. And that culture she seems to want to push is the Anglo-Saxon Christian way of life. She doesn't even really provide reasons for how and why this would work. It almost feels as though she is disgusted with other cultures that aren't hers. And the law professors could have written an op-ed dealing with her arguments and dismissing them. Instead, they assumed her values were beyond the pale and merely condemned her like an Inquisition. But there's no problem at all, right? --- Liberal Arrogance:Academics are overwhelmingly liberal because the nature of the job, seeking information for the good of humanity, self selects liberals--COVxy <cite>Callixtus posted [p:886522695] in When did c... [t:75752415]...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote>For Christ's sake a bunch of law professors at University of Pennsylvania just denounced their own colleague not for any reasons of legal scholarship, but because she expressed some conservative moral ideals. And you people are telling me that professors won't promote orthodoxy among students, when they are enforcing it among their own peers!</quote> That sounds interesting. Can you share the article?</quote> Here is the article that the professor wrote:http://www.philly.com/philly/opinion/commentary/paying-the-price-for-breakdown-of-the-countrys-bourgeois-culture-20170809.html Response by other profs:http://www.thedp.com/article/2017/08/open-letter-penn-law-faculty</quote> That was interesting. I think the professors were a bit harsh to "condemn" a person for an opinion. However, Amy Wax has a very peculiar perspective on what she thinks would work in today's world in terms of progress. She comes across as some 1960s idealist that if we force the same culture on everyone, whether they want it or not, society would be better. And that culture she seems to want to push is the Anglo-Saxon Christian way of life. She doesn't even really provide reasons for how and why this would work. It almost feels as though she is disgusted with other cultures that aren't hers.</quote> And the law professors could have written an op-ed dealing with her arguments and dismissing them. Instead, they assumed her values were beyond the pale and merely condemned her like an Inquisition. But there's no problem at all, right?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 09/13/17 11:42:38 AM #226:	Callixtus posted... Okay, so apparently it's not bullying to live in a world where expressing normal conservative values promotes a reaction from your peers such that they publicly name and shame you. Jesus, really?? Nobody is shaming her. They say that do not agree with the statements. That is all that is within that letter. Are they forced to agree with her? --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:886522701] in When did c... [t:75752415]...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote>Okay, so apparently it's not bullying to live in a world where expressing normal conservative values promotes a reaction from your peers such that they publicly name and shame you. Jesus, really?? </quote> Nobody is shaming her. They say that do not agree with the statements. That is all that is within that letter. Are they forced to agree with her?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Callixtus 09/13/17 11:56:46 AM #229:	Asherlee10 posted... Callixtus posted... Asherlee10 posted... Callixtus posted... Asherlee10 posted... Callixtus posted... For Christ's sake a bunch of law professors at University of Pennsylvania just denounced their own colleague not for any reasons of legal scholarship, but because she expressed some conservative moral ideals. And you people are telling me that professors won't promote orthodoxy among students, when they are enforcing it among their own peers! That sounds interesting. Can you share the article? Here is the article that the professor wrote:http://www.philly.com/philly/opinion/commentary/paying-the-price-for-breakdown-of-the-countrys-bourgeois-culture-20170809.html Response by other profs:http://www.thedp.com/article/2017/08/open-letter-penn-law-faculty That was interesting. I think the professors were a bit harsh to "condemn" a person for an opinion. However, Amy Wax has a very peculiar perspective on what she thinks would work in today's world in terms of progress. She comes across as some 1960s idealist that if we force the same culture on everyone, whether they want it or not, society would be better. And that culture she seems to want to push is the Anglo-Saxon Christian way of life. She doesn't even really provide reasons for how and why this would work. It almost feels as though she is disgusted with other cultures that aren't hers. And the law professors could have written an op-ed dealing with her arguments and dismissing them. Instead, they assumed her values were beyond the pale and merely condemned her like an Inquisition. But there's no problem at all, right? I'm not sure what you are conveying here. Her values were on display in her premises and conclusion. They assumed they were beyond the pale in that they assumed that they were not even worthy of discussion. They merely "categorically rejected" her beliefs, without any attempt at debate. And okay, you people are being purposefully disingenuous if you think a statement such as: "We write to condemn recent statements our colleague Amy Wax, the Robert Mundheim Professor of Law at Penn Law School, has made in popular media pieces," is not an attempt to name and shame. --- Liberal Arrogance:Academics are overwhelmingly liberal because the nature of the job, seeking information for the good of humanity, self selects liberals--COVxy <cite>Callixtus posted [p:886523295] in When did c... [t:75752415]...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote>For Christ's sake a bunch of law professors at University of Pennsylvania just denounced their own colleague not for any reasons of legal scholarship, but because she expressed some conservative moral ideals. And you people are telling me that professors won't promote orthodoxy among students, when they are enforcing it among their own peers!</quote> That sounds interesting. Can you share the article?</quote> Here is the article that the professor wrote:http://www.philly.com/philly/opinion/commentary/paying-the-price-for-breakdown-of-the-countrys-bourgeois-culture-20170809.html Response by other profs:http://www.thedp.com/article/2017/08/open-letter-penn-law-faculty</quote> That was interesting. I think the professors were a bit harsh to "condemn" a person for an opinion. However, Amy Wax has a very peculiar perspective on what she thinks would work in today's world in terms of progress. She comes across as some 1960s idealist that if we force the same culture on everyone, whether they want it or not, society would be better. And that culture she seems to want to push is the Anglo-Saxon Christian way of life. She doesn't even really provide reasons for how and why this would work. It almost feels as though she is disgusted with other cultures that aren't hers.</quote> And the law professors could have written an op-ed dealing with her arguments and dismissing them. Instead, they assumed her values were beyond the pale and merely condemned her like an Inquisition. But there's no problem at all, right?</quote> I'm not sure what you are conveying here. Her values were on display in her premises and conclusion.</quote> They assumed they were beyond the pale in that they assumed that they were not even worthy of discussion. They merely "categorically rejected" her beliefs, without any attempt at debate. And okay, you people are being purposefully disingenuous if you think a statement such as: "We write to condemn recent statements our colleague Amy Wax, the Robert Mundheim Professor of Law at Penn Law School, has made in popular media pieces," is not an attempt to name and shame.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 09/13/17 12:05:25 PM #230:	Callixtus posted... Asherlee10 posted... Callixtus posted... Asherlee10 posted... Callixtus posted... Asherlee10 posted... Callixtus posted... For Christ's sake a bunch of law professors at University of Pennsylvania just denounced their own colleague not for any reasons of legal scholarship, but because she expressed some conservative moral ideals. And you people are telling me that professors won't promote orthodoxy among students, when they are enforcing it among their own peers! That sounds interesting. Can you share the article? Here is the article that the professor wrote:http://www.philly.com/philly/opinion/commentary/paying-the-price-for-breakdown-of-the-countrys-bourgeois-culture-20170809.html Response by other profs:http://www.thedp.com/article/2017/08/open-letter-penn-law-faculty That was interesting. I think the professors were a bit harsh to "condemn" a person for an opinion. However, Amy Wax has a very peculiar perspective on what she thinks would work in today's world in terms of progress. She comes across as some 1960s idealist that if we force the same culture on everyone, whether they want it or not, society would be better. And that culture she seems to want to push is the Anglo-Saxon Christian way of life. She doesn't even really provide reasons for how and why this would work. It almost feels as though she is disgusted with other cultures that aren't hers. And the law professors could have written an op-ed dealing with her arguments and dismissing them. Instead, they assumed her values were beyond the pale and merely condemned her like an Inquisition. But there's no problem at all, right? I'm not sure what you are conveying here. Her values were on display in her premises and conclusion. They assumed they were beyond the pale in that they assumed that they were not even worthy of discussion. They merely "categorically rejected" her beliefs, without any attempt at debate. And okay, you people are being purposefully disingenuous if you think a statement such as: "We write to condemn recent statements our colleague Amy Wax, the Robert Mundheim Professor of Law at Penn Law School, has made in popular media pieces," is not an attempt to name and shame. If she says everyone should live an Anglo Saxon christian way of life, she absolutely deserves 100% to be condemned, shamed and shrugged off as though her opinions don't matter. That type of view is disgusting and detestable. If she was on about how that is HER way of life, and not trying to spill it on everyone else, that would be different. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:886523640] in When did c... [t:75752415]...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote>For Christ's sake a bunch of law professors at University of Pennsylvania just denounced their own colleague not for any reasons of legal scholarship, but because she expressed some conservative moral ideals. And you people are telling me that professors won't promote orthodoxy among students, when they are enforcing it among their own peers!</quote> That sounds interesting. Can you share the article?</quote> Here is the article that the professor wrote:http://www.philly.com/philly/opinion/commentary/paying-the-price-for-breakdown-of-the-countrys-bourgeois-culture-20170809.html Response by other profs:http://www.thedp.com/article/2017/08/open-letter-penn-law-faculty</quote> That was interesting. I think the professors were a bit harsh to "condemn" a person for an opinion. However, Amy Wax has a very peculiar perspective on what she thinks would work in today's world in terms of progress. She comes across as some 1960s idealist that if we force the same culture on everyone, whether they want it or not, society would be better. And that culture she seems to want to push is the Anglo-Saxon Christian way of life. She doesn't even really provide reasons for how and why this would work. It almost feels as though she is disgusted with other cultures that aren't hers.</quote> And the law professors could have written an op-ed dealing with her arguments and dismissing them. Instead, they assumed her values were beyond the pale and merely condemned her like an Inquisition. But there's no problem at all, right?</quote> I'm not sure what you are conveying here. Her values were on display in her premises and conclusion.</quote> They assumed they were beyond the pale in that they assumed that they were not even worthy of discussion. They merely "categorically rejected" her beliefs, without any attempt at debate. And okay, you people are being purposefully disingenuous if you think a statement such as: "We write to condemn recent statements our colleague Amy Wax, the Robert Mundheim Professor of Law at Penn Law School, has made in popular media pieces," is not an attempt to name and shame.</quote> If she says everyone should live an Anglo Saxon christian way of life, she absolutely deserves 100% to be condemned, shamed and shrugged off as though her opinions don't matter. That type of view is disgusting and detestable. If she was on about how that is HER way of life, and not trying to spill it on everyone else, that would be different.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Callixtus 09/13/17 12:08:37 PM #232:	ImTheMacheteGuy posted... If she says everyone should live an Anglo Saxon christian way of life, she absolutely deserves 100% to be condemned, shamed and shrugged off as though her opinions don't matter. That type of view is disgusting and detestable. If she was on about how that is HER way of life, and not trying to spill it on everyone else, that would be different. There is nothing wrong with saying that certain cultural norms are superior to others and the fact that we live in a society where academics don't even have to participate in reasoned debate in order to defend their views or refute those of others is a massive failure. --- Liberal Arrogance:Academics are overwhelmingly liberal because the nature of the job, seeking information for the good of humanity, self selects liberals--COVxy <cite>Callixtus posted [p:886523802] in When did c... [t:75752415]...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote> If she says everyone should live an Anglo Saxon christian way of life, she absolutely deserves 100% to be condemned, shamed and shrugged off as though her opinions don't matter. That type of view is disgusting and detestable. If she was on about how that is HER way of life, and not trying to spill it on everyone else, that would be different.</quote> There is nothing wrong with saying that certain cultural norms are superior to others and the fact that we live in a society where academics don't even have to participate in reasoned debate in order to defend their views or refute those of others is a massive failure.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Callixtus 09/13/17 12:11:13 PM #233:	Asherlee10 posted... Callixtus posted... They assumed they were beyond the pale in that they assumed that they were not even worthy of discussion. They merely "categorically rejected" her beliefs, without any attempt at debate. It would have been nice to see some counter points, but I don't think it was a requirement. Callixtus posted... And okay, you people are being purposefully disingenuous if you think a statement such as: "We write to condemn recent statements our colleague Amy Wax, the Robert Mundheim Professor of Law at Penn Law School, has made in popular media pieces," is not an attempt to name and shame. It seems more like they are taking an action to separate themselves from her views. Her views could be very bad for new students trying to choose a school. The other professors made sure to say, "Hey, we don't all think like that and whatever background you come from, we welcome you here." Except thats not what happened. They didn't write a fluff piece welcoming students from all backgrounds. They targeted a specific professor with views that are controversial, sure, but not beyond the realm of reasonable discussion, and condemned her like inquisitors. Saying its not a requirement for professors to give arguments when they dispute their peers is outrageous. --- Liberal Arrogance:Academics are overwhelmingly liberal because the nature of the job, seeking information for the good of humanity, self selects liberals--COVxy <cite>Callixtus posted [p:886523908] in When did c... [t:75752415]...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote>They assumed they were beyond the pale in that they assumed that they were not even worthy of discussion. They merely "categorically rejected" her beliefs, without any attempt at debate.</quote> It would have been nice to see some counter points, but I don't think it was a requirement. <cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote>And okay, you people are being purposefully disingenuous if you think a statement such as: "We write to condemn recent statements our colleague Amy Wax, the Robert Mundheim Professor of Law at Penn Law School, has made in popular media pieces," is not an attempt to name and shame.</quote> It seems more like they are taking an action to separate themselves from her views. Her views could be very bad for new students trying to choose a school. The other professors made sure to say, "Hey, we don't all think like that and whatever background you come from, we welcome you here."</quote> Except thats not what happened. They didn't write a fluff piece welcoming students from all backgrounds. They targeted a specific professor with views that are controversial, sure, but not beyond the realm of reasonable discussion, and condemned her like inquisitors. Saying its not a requirement for professors to give arguments when they dispute their peers is outrageous.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ImTheMacheteGuy 09/13/17 12:15:42 PM #235:	Callixtus posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... If she says everyone should live an Anglo Saxon christian way of life, she absolutely deserves 100% to be condemned, shamed and shrugged off as though her opinions don't matter. That type of view is disgusting and detestable. If she was on about how that is HER way of life, and not trying to spill it on everyone else, that would be different. There is nothing wrong with saying that certain cultural norms are superior to others and the fact that we live in a society where academics don't even have to participate in reasoned debate in order to defend their views or refute those of others is a massive failure. No it's not. I for one would never take a fundamentalist christian seriously enough to give them the time of day to even have a proper debate. A part of me would want to just laugh and humiliate the shit outta them, but if it was in an academic or professional context, I would likely go the "not dignifying with a response" route. I agree though that it is not wrong to say some cultures are superior/inferior. We do see eye to eye on that. I feel that religious culture is vastly inferior to non-religious culture and I feel no shame, only pride. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:886524128] in When did c... [t:75752415]...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote> If she says everyone should live an Anglo Saxon christian way of life, she absolutely deserves 100% to be condemned, shamed and shrugged off as though her opinions don't matter. That type of view is disgusting and detestable. If she was on about how that is HER way of life, and not trying to spill it on everyone else, that would be different.</quote> There is nothing wrong with saying that certain cultural norms are superior to others and the fact that we live in a society where academics don't even have to participate in reasoned debate in order to defend their views or refute those of others is a massive failure.</quote> No it's not. I for one would never take a fundamentalist christian seriously enough to give them the time of day to even have a proper debate. A part of me would want to just laugh and humiliate the shit outta them, but if it was in an academic or professional context, I would likely go the "not dignifying with a response" route. I agree though that it is not wrong to say some cultures are superior/inferior. We do see eye to eye on that. I feel that religious culture is vastly inferior to non-religious culture and I feel no shame, only pride.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
REMercsChamp 09/13/17 12:18:14 PM #236:	COVxy: Your typical arrogant, self-absorbed life-long academic --- https://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/35939727.jpg <cite>REMercsChamp posted [p:886524271] in When did c... [t:75752415]...</cite> <quote>COVxy: Your typical arrogant, self-absorbed life-long academic</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Callixtus 09/13/17 12:20:33 PM #237:	Asherlee10 posted... Callixtus posted... Asherlee10 posted... Callixtus posted... They assumed they were beyond the pale in that they assumed that they were not even worthy of discussion. They merely "categorically rejected" her beliefs, without any attempt at debate. It would have been nice to see some counter points, but I don't think it was a requirement. Callixtus posted... And okay, you people are being purposefully disingenuous if you think a statement such as: "We write to condemn recent statements our colleague Amy Wax, the Robert Mundheim Professor of Law at Penn Law School, has made in popular media pieces," is not an attempt to name and shame. It seems more like they are taking an action to separate themselves from her views. Her views could be very bad for new students trying to choose a school. The other professors made sure to say, "Hey, we don't all think like that and whatever background you come from, we welcome you here." Except thats not what happened. They didn't write a fluff piece welcoming students from all backgrounds. They targeted a specific professor with views that are controversial, sure, but not beyond the realm of reasonable discussion, and condemned her like inquisitors. Saying its not a requirement for professors to give arguments when they dispute other their peers is outrageous. But they did say that... "We believe the ideal of equal opportunity to succeed in education is best achieved by a combination of academic freedom, open debate and a commitment by all participants to respect one another without bias or stereotype. To our students, we say the following: If your experience at Penn Law falls substantially short of this ideal, something has gone wrong, and we want to know about it." That doesn't change the fact that the entire statement was predicated upon summarily condemning a professor withou addressing her arguments. --- Liberal Arrogance:Academics are overwhelmingly liberal because the nature of the job, seeking information for the good of humanity, self selects liberals--COVxy <cite>Callixtus posted [p:886524387] in When did c... [t:75752415]...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote>They assumed they were beyond the pale in that they assumed that they were not even worthy of discussion. They merely "categorically rejected" her beliefs, without any attempt at debate.</quote> It would have been nice to see some counter points, but I don't think it was a requirement. <cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote>And okay, you people are being purposefully disingenuous if you think a statement such as: "We write to condemn recent statements our colleague Amy Wax, the Robert Mundheim Professor of Law at Penn Law School, has made in popular media pieces," is not an attempt to name and shame.</quote> It seems more like they are taking an action to separate themselves from her views. Her views could be very bad for new students trying to choose a school. The other professors made sure to say, "Hey, we don't all think like that and whatever background you come from, we welcome you here."</quote> Except thats not what happened. They didn't write a fluff piece welcoming students from all backgrounds. They targeted a specific professor with views that are controversial, sure, but not beyond the realm of reasonable discussion, and condemned her like inquisitors. Saying its not a requirement for professors to give arguments when they dispute other their peers is outrageous.</quote> But they did say that... "We believe the ideal of equal opportunity to succeed in education is best achieved by a combination of academic freedom, open debate and a commitment by all participants to respect one another without bias or stereotype. To our students, we say the following: If your experience at Penn Law falls substantially short of this ideal, something has gone wrong, and we want to know about it."</quote> That doesn't change the fact that the entire statement was predicated upon summarily condemning a professor withou addressing her arguments.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Callixtus 09/13/17 12:22:11 PM #238:	ImTheMacheteGuy posted... Callixtus posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... If she says everyone should live an Anglo Saxon christian way of life, she absolutely deserves 100% to be condemned, shamed and shrugged off as though her opinions don't matter. That type of view is disgusting and detestable. If she was on about how that is HER way of life, and not trying to spill it on everyone else, that would be different. There is nothing wrong with saying that certain cultural norms are superior to others and the fact that we live in a society where academics don't even have to participate in reasoned debate in order to defend their views or refute those of others is a massive failure. No it's not. I for one would never take a fundamentalist christian seriously enough to give them the time of day to even have a proper debate. A part of me would want to just laugh and humiliate the shit outta them, but if it was in an academic or professional context, I would likely go the "not dignifying with a response" route. I agree though that it is not wrong to say some cultures are superior/inferior. We do see eye to eye on that. I feel that religious culture is vastly inferior to non-religious culture and I feel no shame, only pride. Then you would be a shitty academic. If a fundamentalist Christian refused to acknowledge the evidence you present, then ignore them. Sure. But if a person presents rational arguments and you don't deal with them, then you are just another illiberal dogmatic, and shouldn't be teaching students about critical thinking. --- Liberal Arrogance:Academics are overwhelmingly liberal because the nature of the job, seeking information for the good of humanity, self selects liberals--COVxy <cite>Callixtus posted [p:886524467] in When did c... [t:75752415]...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote> If she says everyone should live an Anglo Saxon christian way of life, she absolutely deserves 100% to be condemned, shamed and shrugged off as though her opinions don't matter. That type of view is disgusting and detestable. If she was on about how that is HER way of life, and not trying to spill it on everyone else, that would be different.</quote> There is nothing wrong with saying that certain cultural norms are superior to others and the fact that we live in a society where academics don't even have to participate in reasoned debate in order to defend their views or refute those of others is a massive failure.</quote> No it's not. I for one would never take a fundamentalist christian seriously enough to give them the time of day to even have a proper debate. A part of me would want to just laugh and humiliate the shit outta them, but if it was in an academic or professional context, I would likely go the "not dignifying with a response" route. I agree though that it is not wrong to say some cultures are superior/inferior. We do see eye to eye on that. I feel that religious culture is vastly inferior to non-religious culture and I feel no shame, only pride.</quote> Then you would be a shitty academic. If a fundamentalist Christian refused to acknowledge the evidence you present, then ignore them. Sure. But if a person presents rational arguments and you don't deal with them, then you are just another illiberal dogmatic, and shouldn't be teaching students about critical thinking.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Callixtus 09/13/17 12:23:24 PM #239:	I don't really have much more to say. I get the feeling that you people would only recognize bias if those Penn professors had shot Amy Wax. And even then you'd probably say she deserved it. --- Liberal Arrogance:Academics are overwhelmingly liberal because the nature of the job, seeking information for the good of humanity, self selects liberals--COVxy <cite>Callixtus posted [p:886524529] in When did c... [t:75752415]...</cite> <quote>I don't really have much more to say. I get the feeling that you people would only recognize bias if those Penn professors had shot Amy Wax. And even then you'd probably say she deserved it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 09/13/17 12:33:05 PM #240:	So a representative of an institution writes an opinion piece, and other representatives write a response, distancing themselves. How in the world is that "naming and shaming"? She published her opinions in a public forum! In academia, people will criticize you. That's part of it. Is that what conservatives can't handle? --- Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two. <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:886524971] in When did c... [t:75752415]...</cite> <quote>So a representative of an institution writes an opinion piece, and other representatives write a response, distancing themselves. How in the world is that "naming and shaming"? She published her opinions in a public forum! In academia, people will criticize you. That's part of it. Is that what conservatives can't handle?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Callixtus 09/13/17 12:37:10 PM #243:	scar the 1 posted... So a representative of an institution writes an opinion piece, and other representatives write a response, distancing themselves. How in the world is that "naming and shaming"? She published her opinions in a public forum! In academia, people will criticize you. That's part of it. Is that what conservatives can't handle? I don't know what's so hard to understand about the difference between summarily condemning someone for saying something politically unpopular vs addressing the substance of her statements. It is not normal for academics to gather a posse of 33 professors to condemn a peer with a minority view without dealing with her arguments. And the views this professor expressed are actually common among a significant chunk of conservative Americans. It is not even a fringe view. --- Liberal Arrogance:Academics are overwhelmingly liberal because the nature of the job, seeking information for the good of humanity, self selects liberals--COVxy <cite>Callixtus posted [p:886525156] in When did c... [t:75752415]...</cite> <quote><cite>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote>So a representative of an institution writes an opinion piece, and other representatives write a response, distancing themselves. How in the world is that "naming and shaming"? She published her opinions in a public forum! In academia, people will criticize you. That's part of it. Is that what conservatives can't handle?</quote> I don't know what's so hard to understand about the difference between summarily condemning someone for saying something politically unpopular vs addressing the substance of her statements. It is not normal for academics to gather a posse of 33 professors to condemn a peer with a minority view without dealing with her arguments. And the views this professor expressed are actually common among a significant chunk of conservative Americans. It is not even a fringe view.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Callixtus 09/13/17 12:43:20 PM #245:	Asherlee10 posted... < They are not obligated to address her arguments. It seems to me that the point of their open letter was to distance themselves from her views for the sake of other students and their own careers. This is exactly the problem I alluded to. Imagine that you are a conservative student. You will quickly discover that not only are your views unpopular, but they are beyond the pale of reasonable debate that if even a professor promotes them, you see the rest of the student body as well as huge swaths of the faculty protesting and writing letters condemning your beliefs while refusing to actually engage them. How could that possibly be bad for an open learning environment? --- Liberal Arrogance:Academics are overwhelmingly liberal because the nature of the job, seeking information for the good of humanity, self selects liberals--COVxy <cite>Callixtus posted [p:886525457] in When did c... [t:75752415]...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote>< They are not obligated to address her arguments. It seems to me that the point of their open letter was to distance themselves from her views for the sake of other students and their own careers.</quote> This is exactly the problem I alluded to. Imagine that you are a conservative student. You will quickly discover that not only are your views unpopular, but they are beyond the pale of reasonable debate that if even a professor promotes them, you see the rest of the student body as well as huge swaths of the faculty protesting and writing letters condemning your beliefs while refusing to actually engage them. How could that possibly be bad for an open learning environment?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Callixtus 09/13/17 12:56:21 PM #247:	Asherlee10 posted... Callixtus posted... Asherlee10 posted... < They are not obligated to address her arguments. It seems to me that the point of their open letter was to distance themselves from her views for the sake of other students and their own careers. This is exactly the problem I alluded to. Imagine that you are a conservative student. You will quickly discover that not only are your views unpopular, but they are beyond the pale of reasonable debate that if even a professor promotes them, you see the rest of the student body as well as huge swaths of the faculty protesting and writing letters condemning your beliefs while refusing to actually engage them. How could that possibly be bad for an open learning environment? I don't think the professors are separating themselves from Amy Wax's opinion on this matter simply because it is a conservative viewpoint. I think they separated themselves from it for the content of the viewpoint. I see that as an entirely different thing. And a student has to make a choice when deciding what school to attend. If I am a conservative student, I probably wouldn't be happy at Berkeley, for example. Side note: I don't know what you mean when you've referenced "the pale" several times. Can you explain? We dont know why they separated themselves because they didnt condescend to give an explanation. So are universities supposed to be segregated by ideology now or are they supposed to be for open inquiry? Students shouldn't be forced to pick a university based on ideology, and indeed students can not choose which universities accept them so the choice is often foreclosed. Arguing specifically for innate superiority of whites over blacks or something to that effect is an example that is not worth academic discussion. It's too inflammatory and denigrating to discuss. There are few topics that I think are worthy of being treated that way, and I think those are beyond the pale. --- Liberal Arrogance:Academics are overwhelmingly liberal because the nature of the job, seeking information for the good of humanity, self selects liberals--COVxy <cite>Callixtus posted [p:886526162] in When did c... [t:75752415]...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote>< They are not obligated to address her arguments. It seems to me that the point of their open letter was to distance themselves from her views for the sake of other students and their own careers.</quote> This is exactly the problem I alluded to. Imagine that you are a conservative student. You will quickly discover that not only are your views unpopular, but they are beyond the pale of reasonable debate that if even a professor promotes them, you see the rest of the student body as well as huge swaths of the faculty protesting and writing letters condemning your beliefs while refusing to actually engage them. How could that possibly be bad for an open learning environment?</quote> I don't think the professors are separating themselves from Amy Wax's opinion on this matter simply because it is a conservative viewpoint. I think they separated themselves from it for the content of the viewpoint. I see that as an entirely different thing. And a student has to make a choice when deciding what school to attend. If I am a conservative student, I probably wouldn't be happy at Berkeley, for example. Side note: I don't know what you mean when you've referenced "the pale" several times. Can you explain?</quote> We dont know why they separated themselves because they didnt condescend to give an explanation. So are universities supposed to be segregated by ideology now or are they supposed to be for open inquiry? Students shouldn't be forced to pick a university based on ideology, and indeed students can not choose which universities accept them so the choice is often foreclosed. Arguing specifically for innate superiority of whites over blacks or something to that effect is an example that is not worth academic discussion. It's too inflammatory and denigrating to discuss. There are few topics that I think are worthy of being treated that way, and I think those are beyond the pale.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ImTheMacheteGuy 09/13/17 1:23:13 PM #249:	Callixtus posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... Callixtus posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... If she says everyone should live an Anglo Saxon christian way of life, she absolutely deserves 100% to be condemned, shamed and shrugged off as though her opinions don't matter. That type of view is disgusting and detestable. If she was on about how that is HER way of life, and not trying to spill it on everyone else, that would be different. There is nothing wrong with saying that certain cultural norms are superior to others and the fact that we live in a society where academics don't even have to participate in reasoned debate in order to defend their views or refute those of others is a massive failure. No it's not. I for one would never take a fundamentalist christian seriously enough to give them the time of day to even have a proper debate. A part of me would want to just laugh and humiliate the shit outta them, but if it was in an academic or professional context, I would likely go the "not dignifying with a response" route. I agree though that it is not wrong to say some cultures are superior/inferior. We do see eye to eye on that. I feel that religious culture is vastly inferior to non-religious culture and I feel no shame, only pride. Then you would be a shitty academic. If a fundamentalist Christian refused to acknowledge the evidence you present, then ignore them. Sure. But if a person presents rational arguments and you don't deal with them, then you are just another illiberal dogmatic, and shouldn't be teaching students about critical thinking. A) fundamentalist christians aren't capable of rational arguments B) I don't disagree with you that I would be a shitty academic. In fact, if I was to list and rank every reason why I would be a shitty academic, this would either be near the bottom or I would forget to even include it. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:886527510] in When did c... [t:75752415]...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote> If she says everyone should live an Anglo Saxon christian way of life, she absolutely deserves 100% to be condemned, shamed and shrugged off as though her opinions don't matter. That type of view is disgusting and detestable. If she was on about how that is HER way of life, and not trying to spill it on everyone else, that would be different.</quote> There is nothing wrong with saying that certain cultural norms are superior to others and the fact that we live in a society where academics don't even have to participate in reasoned debate in order to defend their views or refute those of others is a massive failure.</quote> No it's not. I for one would never take a fundamentalist christian seriously enough to give them the time of day to even have a proper debate. A part of me would want to just laugh and humiliate the shit outta them, but if it was in an academic or professional context, I would likely go the "not dignifying with a response" route. I agree though that it is not wrong to say some cultures are superior/inferior. We do see eye to eye on that. I feel that religious culture is vastly inferior to non-religious culture and I feel no shame, only pride.</quote> Then you would be a shitty academic. If a fundamentalist Christian refused to acknowledge the evidence you present, then ignore them. Sure. But if a person presents rational arguments and you don't deal with them, then you are just another illiberal dogmatic, and shouldn't be teaching students about critical thinking.</quote> A) fundamentalist christians aren't capable of rational arguments B) I don't disagree with you that I would be a shitty academic. In fact, if I was to list and rank every reason why I would be a shitty academic, this would either be near the bottom or I would forget to even include it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 09/13/17 1:24:15 PM #250:	MutantJohn posted... Kineth posted... Callixtus posted... COVxy posted... Callixtus posted... The classic COVxy response, which is that no one has any experience in academia or universities besides himself. Actually yes, I graduated with a social science and humanities degree from an elite university, and am now at a top 3 law school. And what you just described was your honest experience in those classes? Do you think I am making this up? Yes. I find it hard to believe that a fucking law student would just randomly join GameFAQs simply to shit post. Do you not remember P2E? He joined a longer time ago when the website was popular. This is a new account. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:886527574] in When did c... [t:75752415]...</cite> <quote><cite>MutantJohn posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote>The classic COVxy response, which is that no one has any experience in academia or universities besides himself. Actually yes, I graduated with a social science and humanities degree from an elite university, and am now at a top 3 law school. </quote> And what you just described was your honest experience in those classes?</quote> Do you think I am making this up?</quote> Yes. I find it hard to believe that a fucking law student would just randomly join GameFAQs simply to shit post.</quote> Do you not remember P2E?</quote> He joined a longer time ago when the website was popular. This is a new account.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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