Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 131: Deferred Action by Childish Administration

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Jakyl25
09/06/17 10:03:37 AM
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Stop playing games with lives, please
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Regaro
09/06/17 10:06:30 AM
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I'm not going to be surprised if stress gets to some of these 800k in the next few months and they do something they can't take back.
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Peace___Frog
09/06/17 10:17:26 AM
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In case anyone is wondering how Egypt is doing:
https://www.hrw.org/news/2017/09/06/egypt-torture-epidemic-may-be-crime-against-humanity

Under President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi,Egypt’sregular police and National Security officers routinely torture political detainees with techniques including beatings, electric shocks, stress positions, and sometimes rape, Human Rights Watch said in a new report released today.

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HaRRicH
09/06/17 10:23:35 AM
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Simple but solid title.
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banananor
09/06/17 11:08:53 AM
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the average DACA beneficiary is in their 20s and moved here when they were 5

are generally employed and have no criminal record

they have to pay money to renew every few years

why do we want to get rid of them again
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Peace___Frog
09/06/17 11:11:16 AM
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Bc racism duh
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Jakyl25
09/06/17 11:31:09 AM
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You'd probably improve America more if you deported any random 800,000 people
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My Immortal
09/06/17 11:33:54 AM
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Dancedreamer
09/06/17 11:53:30 AM
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Can't we just deport the Trump family?

They have foreign sounding names! Or at least Ivanka does. That should satisfy the xenophobes!
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Jakyl25
09/06/17 11:55:11 AM
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HaRRicH
09/06/17 12:07:26 PM
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https://twitter.com/TheJewishDream/status/905092178199945216

Good lord, @RepGutierrez is not fucking around at. all. in his DACA statement.

https://t.co/3asZyIDhzn https://t.co/CqncYzaNCa


Hitting hard from Illinois.
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UltiXX
09/06/17 12:33:14 PM
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DACA allowed millions of illegals to flood in. The save-the-children lie is a complete hoax.

Leftists are also celebrating Irma because Trump has a property in Saint Martin, so there's always that lovely insight into Trump Derangement Syndrome.
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Espeon
09/06/17 12:42:43 PM
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As opposed to rightists claiming Irma is a hoax to push a climate change agenda?
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CelesMyUserName
09/06/17 12:44:58 PM
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UltiXX posted...
Leftists are also celebrating Irma because Trump has a property in Saint Martin, so there's always that lovely insight into Trump Derangement Syndrome.

how many times are you going to this "leftists are celebrating [disaster]" shtick and do you really think anybody takes these posts seriously
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Corrik
09/06/17 12:49:50 PM
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If you think sonething should be done then its on Congress.
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Regaro
09/06/17 12:53:10 PM
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Please don't quote bots
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xp1337
09/06/17 12:56:53 PM
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Corrik posted...
If you think sonething should be done then its on Congress.

It should have years ago. Republicans in Congress acting upset now is largely hypocritical given they had plenty of opportunity to act before.

That said, this administration doesn't get to just shift the blame off themselves when they have instigated this by ending DACA. They can both be at fault!
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CelesMyUserName
09/06/17 1:03:17 PM
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Corrik posted...
If you think sonething should be done then its on Congress.

yes we all heard sarah huckabee sanders line of handwaving all responsibility too
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Corrik
09/06/17 1:07:12 PM
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xp1337 posted...
Corrik posted...
If you think sonething should be done then its on Congress.

It should have years ago. Republicans in Congress acting upset now is largely hypocritical given they had plenty of opportunity to act before.

That said, this administration doesn't get to just shift the blame off themselves when they have instigated this by ending DACA. They can both be at fault!

Maybe the president shouldn't have a say over it and it should have a law regardjng it from the lawnaking body of the government?
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lordloki12
09/06/17 1:11:13 PM
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Corrik posted...
xp1337 posted...
Corrik posted...
If you think sonething should be done then its on Congress.

It should have years ago. Republicans in Congress acting upset now is largely hypocritical given they had plenty of opportunity to act before.

That said, this administration doesn't get to just shift the blame off themselves when they have instigated this by ending DACA. They can both be at fault!

Maybe the president shouldn't have a say over it and it should have a law regardjng it from the lawnaking body of the government?


That could have happened without Donald upending their lives.
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xp1337
09/06/17 1:11:25 PM
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Well, considering the President has the authority to assign priority and discretion to enforcement he kind of does have a say over it.

And just like enacting DACA was saying something over it, so is ending it.
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Peace___Frog
09/06/17 1:32:19 PM
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https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/09/06/opinion/the-ivanka-trump-labor-women.html

Some key quotes:
Ivanka Trump, first daughter, strode into Washington back in January with big promises: She was passionate about helping “working women,” she said, and she was going to close the gender wage gap even if it killed her.

Well, not if it killed her, not literally, but even if it mildly inconvenienced her, she was on it 110 percent, for the women. Well, not if it mildly inconvenienced her, she’s very busy, but definitely if there was a wage transparency policy already in place, she would not openly and glowingly support overturning it.

Well, unless her dad wanted to overturn it because doing so satisfied two of his top 10 vindictive fixations (constraining women’s independence and destroying the legacy of America’s first black president), but Ms. Trump would absolutely offer a better replacement solution, such as saying the words “child care credit” and “female entrepreneurs” repeatedly near a camera while wearing a blush-pink toggle coat.



... Ms. Trump endorsed the decision to abandon an Obama-era initiative, set to go into effect next spring, requiring federal contractors and companies above a certain size to report salary data. “Ultimately,” Ms. Trump explained, “while I believe the intention was good and agree that pay transparency is important, the proposed policy would not yield the intended results.”

You’d think that a passionate anti-wage-gap crusader like Ms. Trump would relish a broad, ever-expanding data set illuminating her pet issue so that she could go after it with laser focus, but no. She is even more devoted than that. She hates the gender wage gap so much, she can’t even stand to know anything about it.


If Ms. Trump says that America is no place for Nazis and white supremacists, are we going to tell her she’s wrong? She probably just forgot to mention that some of those Nazis and white supremacists were marching in explicit support of her father. That can happen. As a working mom myself, I know it can be hard to keep all these details straight!



Ms. Ellison wrote, of Ms. Trump, that if “her main value in Washington is her access to her father and she is unable to sway him, then she is simply a 35-year-old former real estate and retail executive in over her head.”

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Jakyl25
09/06/17 2:27:55 PM
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Jakyl25
09/06/17 2:31:23 PM
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Trump agreed to a three month suspension of the debt ceiling

So of course
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/293817480131002368
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Jakyl25
09/06/17 2:33:10 PM
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https://twitter.com/rachaelmbade/status/905476144149000192

Sorry for all the posts but this is kind of an incredible swerve by Trump

He's going with the Dems to screw with GOP Congress
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Jakyl25
09/06/17 2:36:01 PM
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https://twitter.com/jakesherman/status/905475282676670469

Guys what is happening

Seph what is happening to your party
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Regaro
09/06/17 2:38:19 PM
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What the fuck
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HashtagSEP
09/06/17 2:40:34 PM
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Can somebody sum up for me what's happening? I'm at work and haven't been able to follow it well.
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Jakyl25
09/06/17 2:42:33 PM
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Basically the Dems buttered Trump up and got what they wanted from him regarding the debt ceiling and DACA, and now GOP Congress is stuck between openly going to war with their own President or sheepishly falling in line with the Democrat agenda
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Suprak the Stud
09/06/17 2:42:53 PM
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If Trump can do something to get DACA through congress I will actually be very pleased.

I have no idea what the odds are of that happening, considering when Obama tried to do it the Freedom Caucus threw an enormous hissy fit and shut it all down.
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xp1337
09/06/17 2:44:18 PM
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HashtagSEP posted...
Can somebody sum up for me what's happening? I'm at work and haven't been able to follow it well.

so much winning

you just didn't know it would be the democrats for once
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Suprak the Stud
09/06/17 2:44:57 PM
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Maybe Trump has just too much experience in professional wrestling and wanted to do a GOP heal turn at the perfect time.
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HashtagSEP
09/06/17 2:45:50 PM
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Jakyl25 posted...
Basically the Dems buttered Trump up and got what they wanted from him regarding the debt ceiling and DACA, and now GOP Congress is stuck between openly going to war with their own President or sheepishly falling in line with the Democrat agenda


Thanks

That is insane
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Jakyl25
09/06/17 2:48:49 PM
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xp1337
09/06/17 2:51:35 PM
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Jakyl25 posted...
Pelosi > Ryan

I mean, there's a reason I've mentioned in the past that I always found criticism of Pelosi from the left to be really odd.

She might be the single most effective person at getting the Democrats' agenda through in a while. I mean, she's been an effective leader when it comes to getting things done and delivering votes and the like.
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Regaro
09/06/17 2:52:59 PM
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xp1337 posted...
I mean, there's a reason I've mentioned in the past that I always found criticism of Pelosi from the left to be really odd.

"Left"
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HashtagSEP
09/06/17 2:53:44 PM
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So is this basically Bash at the Beach '96

And Trump just dropped the leg on Ryan and McConnell
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Jakyl25
09/06/17 2:53:45 PM
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Watch, NOW they'll impeach Trump
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Jakyl25
09/06/17 2:55:33 PM
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LOL he went directly against Mnuchin on the debt ceiling too

The Treasury Secretary

That Trump himself nominated
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Regaro
09/06/17 2:55:44 PM
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HashtagSEP posted...
So is this basically Bash at the Beach '96

And Trump just dropped the leg on Ryan and McConnell

The Tom Brady of Politics tho
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XIII_rocks
09/06/17 2:57:03 PM
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Jesus this is proper tv show politics
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xp1337
09/06/17 2:57:08 PM
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Regaro posted...
xp1337 posted...
I mean, there's a reason I've mentioned in the past that I always found criticism of Pelosi from the left to be really odd.

"Left"

yeah yeah, i know

But you'd think they'd be aware enough to realize that enacting the Democratic Party's agenda is generally progress in the right direction, particularly given the alternative!

I mean, they're still the best we've got right now, even if they could be a lot better!
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Regaro
09/06/17 2:59:48 PM
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xp1337 posted...
yeah yeah, i know

Apparently not, since from what I've seen and heard a significant amout of the Anti-Pelosi campaign (online, at least) is literal false-flagging and useful idiots who latched on and don't know better
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Jakyl25
09/06/17 3:02:09 PM
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xp1337
09/06/17 3:02:10 PM
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Regaro posted...
Apparently not

=(

Hey, I'd love to be wrong! And if I'm wrong, I'm wrong.

could have sworn i remember anti-pelosi sentiment within this topic though but maybe i'm crazy (and also dumb)
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Regaro
09/06/17 3:03:14 PM
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Cyclo is one of said useful idiots
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Suprak the Stud
09/06/17 3:04:21 PM
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Is there a reason the democrats don't want the 18 month extension Mnuchin was proposing?
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HaRRicH
09/06/17 3:05:29 PM
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"He's an asshole, but he's our asshole...until he's their asshole...is he everone's asshole or no one's asshole?"
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Jakyl25
09/06/17 3:08:00 PM
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Suprak the Stud posted...
Is there a reason the democrats don't want the 18 month extension Mnuchin was proposing?


That would push it past midterms

They want to use the topic against the GOP
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xp1337
09/06/17 3:11:21 PM
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Yeah, I'm assuming the reason for a short extension is because it's an issue on which the Democrats have leverage to get things done since the Republicans likely have to gain their votes to pass it so they can demand concessions in exchange.

From a cynical/political standpoint I get it, but ideally they would just abolish the debt limit. It's ridiculous.
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