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UltiXX
09/06/17 5:17:26 PM
#102:


CelesMyUserName posted...
UltiXX posted...
Leftists are also celebrating Irma because Trump has a property in Saint Martin, so there's always that lovely insight into Trump Derangement Syndrome.

how many times are you going to this "leftists are celebrating [disaster]" shtick and do you really think anybody takes these posts seriously

Social media is a far more accurate representation of what people are thinking than some dead gaming site stuck in 1999.
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UltiXX
09/06/17 5:18:54 PM
#103:


Regaro posted...
Please don't quote bots

Leftist ideas cannot prosper without censorship and moderation. As usual, they will take the tralala can't hear you approach.

The silent majority has been kicking your asses and you all know it, which is why you've progressively gotten more violent and childish.
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WhoopsyDaisy
09/06/17 5:19:09 PM
#104:


dowolf posted...
So while I do not have specific numbers, it is generally accepted that illegal immigrants are a net boon to the government's coffers. The reason for this is that they pay taxes (e.g. sales tax, property tax either directly [from owning a home] or indirectly [some of that rent check is going towards that], payroll taxes if they are not being paid under the table [happens a lot -- an employer can honestly say "Well I had no idea he was illegal" because they chose not to ask the question and get away with that, but if they start dodging taxes, Uncle Sam's not gonna be too happy]), but do not have the ability to receive any benefits (as a lazy example, you can't get Social Security without a valid SSN).

As for roads, this comes down to economics of scale. A road takes more wear and tear from one winter than it does from a year of cars, for instance, and having more people does not increase the amount of roads necessary by a proportionate amount. There will always have to be a single well-maintained road through the desert no matter how many people live in the surrounding areas, for instance. While that may seem reductionary, there's a lot of open space in this country punctuated by spread-out population centers, so that's a really large percentage of the roads.

And I should probably stop editing posts a hundred times but YOU CAN'T STOP ME.


I've looked around and it seems like the costs and benefits are kind of all over the place. I found a cool site that shows a whole bunch of pro and con arguments along with their sources, so I'll probably be looking through that.

https://immigration.procon.org/view.answers.php?questionID=000788

banananor posted...
i guess people sort of start with what they can see. kind of explains why people in the states that accept the most federal aid tend to vote against federal aid- they see more being drained than being replaced and make those negative associations with the system


Yeah probably, that would make sense if they're focusing on the ones who are already net costs
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CelesMyUserName
09/06/17 5:25:08 PM
#105:


UltiXX posted...
CelesMyUserName posted...
UltiXX posted...
Leftists are also celebrating Irma because Trump has a property in Saint Martin, so there's always that lovely insight into Trump Derangement Syndrome.

how many times are you going to this "leftists are celebrating [disaster]" shtick and do you really think anybody takes these posts seriously

Social media is a far more accurate representation of what people are thinking than some dead gaming site stuck in 1999.

literally condensed confirmation bias, you can find whatever you want on twitter
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UltiXX
09/06/17 5:25:40 PM
#106:


Trump sticking it to backstabbing, lying GOP rinos is great. There's also nothing wrong with crossing the aisle. Leadership!
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trdl23
09/06/17 5:42:04 PM
#107:


Can we lay off Daisy a bit, guys? I agree he isn't really empathizing with us, but I think he's trying in good faith. We're supposed to be the people who listen well. Act like it. (Some of you guys are doing it right, so keep that up.

UltiXX posted...
CelesMyUserName posted...
UltiXX posted...
Leftists are also celebrating Irma because Trump has a property in Saint Martin, so there's always that lovely insight into Trump Derangement Syndrome.

how many times are you going to this "leftists are celebrating [disaster]" shtick and do you really think anybody takes these posts seriously

Social media is a far more accurate representation of what people are thinking than some dead gaming site stuck in 1999.

Is this permission to say all conservatives are literal Nazis because I found a few on Twitter? No? All right then, have some damn parity.
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xp1337
09/06/17 6:25:30 PM
#109:


StealThisSheen posted...
What the hell is wrong with you guys

We're like the guy from Memento.
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Reg
09/06/17 6:40:44 PM
#110:


Regaro posted...
WhoopsyDaisy posted...
Would replacing that portion with legal residents really cause that much economic instability?

IIRC parts of California tried this a few years back and literally couldn't fill the jobs. No source offhand, will pull some when I get home if nobody beats me to it.

Since I said I would

http://www.independent.com/news/2017/jun/22/labor-shortage-leaves-13-million-crops-rot-fields/

tl;dr tougher migration restrictions/enforcement coupled with fewer migrants in general -> significant farm worker shortage -> literally not enough farmhands to pick the crops
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UltiXX
09/06/17 6:45:10 PM
#111:


>Twitter is a small confirmation bias bubble
>Mainstream media polls are accurate


Pick one.
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charmander6000
09/06/17 6:47:05 PM
#112:


UltiXX posted...
>Twitter is a small confirmation bias bubble
>Mainstream media polls are accurate


Pick one.


>_>
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Mr Lasastryke
09/06/17 6:53:09 PM
#113:


trdl23 posted...
Can we lay off Daisy a bit, guys? I agree he isn't really empathizing with us, but I think he's trying in good faith.


just because he's trying in good faith doesn't mean i can't point out that the bullshit he's saying is heartless and completely lacking in empathy.
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Eddv
09/06/17 6:53:16 PM
#114:


WhoopsyDaisy posted...
the industry with the highest amounts of unauthorized workers are farming and construction with 26% and 15%. Would replacing that portion with legal residents really cause that much economic instability? I mean it's better for the employers, but if a company is running on such a tight budget that their undocumented workforce is the difference between success and failure they're almost certainly doomed anyway.
How much of our tourism industry is a result of illegal immigration?


Have you ever gone to a beach resort? A very large portion of the service industry is staffed by immigrants and because our laws arent good enough a big chunk of them are illegal.

Georgia and California cracked down on hiring illegals and both found that it severely slowed their economic growth.

Im not answering the question because I dont know the answer - what im suggesting is no matter the dollar figure its worth what these people contribute to our economy.
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MoogleKupo141
09/06/17 6:56:13 PM
#115:


he didn't say small bubble, just the confirmation bias part.

Twitter's a big place with a wide variety of opinions, so wide that you can find an example of someone saying pretty much anything you want to find. That's the confirmation bias part. If you're specifically looking for a random asshole saying "hurricane is good because a Trump property is in danger", you'll find it.

If you're looking for someone saying that it would be good if Obama and Soros were killed in a hurricane, you'll find that too:

https://twitter.com/just2ushl/status/905563173104832513

that doesn't mean that either thing is representative of the larger political side the person is on
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UltiXX
09/06/17 7:11:41 PM
#116:


MoogleKupo141 posted...
he didn't say small bubble, just the confirmation bias part.

Twitter's a big place with a wide variety of opinions, so wide that you can find an example of someone saying pretty much anything you want to find. That's the confirmation bias part. If you're specifically looking for a random asshole saying "hurricane is good because a Trump property is in danger", you'll find it.

If you're looking for someone saying that it would be good if Obama and Soros were killed in a hurricane, you'll find that too:

https://twitter.com/just2ushl/status/905563173104832513

that doesn't mean that either thing is representative of the larger political side the person is on

This is fair, but I call out the same trash when rightist extremists say dumb things. I to this day remember the Obama effigies being lynched, which was an embarrassment.

Obama deserves a lot of credit for the class he handled things with.
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Jakyl25
09/06/17 8:09:19 PM
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StealThisSheen
09/06/17 8:26:43 PM
#118:


Jakyl25 posted...
https://twitter.com/krangtnelson/status/905446173649108992

White nationalists being dumb is never not funny


Baked Alaska™%u200FVerified account @bakedalaska 2m2 minutes ago
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Yes they did photoshop this, they took a meme and cropped it to make it look real


It keeps getting funnier!
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Jakyl25
09/06/17 8:53:34 PM
#119:


Damn that sucks
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Jakyl25
09/06/17 9:13:20 PM
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TheRock1525
09/06/17 9:30:53 PM
#121:


Jakyl25 posted...
Bannon not too happy with Trump it seems

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJEyjhlWAAAm2lJ?format=jpg&name=large


C'mon GOP civil war...
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Jakyl25
09/06/17 10:01:22 PM
#122:


TheRock1525 posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Bannon not too happy with Trump it seems

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJEyjhlWAAAm2lJ?format=jpg&name=large


C'mon GOP civil war...



https://twitter.com/sopandeb/status/905609269319524352

It's insane the sides people are running to
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Jakyl25
09/06/17 10:04:34 PM
#123:


Lou Dobbs
Literally
Calling Paul Ryan
A RINO
For not immediately siding
With Pelosi and Schumer

WHAT IS HAPPENING TO THE GOP
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Eddv
09/06/17 10:06:24 PM
#124:


W...what!?!
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Jakyl25
09/06/17 10:10:39 PM
#125:


I'm seriously going to need some Republicans to come explain WTF their party stands for right now.
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Jakyl25
09/06/17 10:13:34 PM
#126:


I feel like Trump could wake up tomorrow and start talking about how we need to eliminate Christianity and guns from America and there are pundits who would be like "Anyone who disagrees is not a true conservative!"
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Ashethan
09/06/17 10:14:26 PM
#127:


Jakyl25 posted...
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJEyjhlWAAAm2lJ?format=jpg&name=large


You know, this just goes to show that a lot of Republicans just think the swamp is "DEMOCRATS" which makes it pretty useless to say "DRAIN THE SWAMP"
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Jakyl25
09/06/17 10:20:46 PM
#128:


I had to see what Ann Coulter's most recent take on Trump was

https://twitter.com/anncoulter/status/905496032926203914

Not happy!
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The Mana Sword
09/06/17 10:21:36 PM
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Reg
09/06/17 10:25:36 PM
#130:


Jakyl25 posted...
Lou Dobbs
Literally
Calling Paul Ryan
A RINO
For not immediately siding
With Pelosi and Schumer

WHAT IS HAPPENING TO THE GOP

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Peace___Frog
09/06/17 10:34:08 PM
#131:


Jakyl25 posted...
I had to see what Ann Coulter's most recent take on Trump was

https://twitter.com/anncoulter/status/905496032926203914

Not happy!

At least she's come to terms with the fact that he's using the office for personal benefit.





https://twitter.com/micahflee/status/905585476395925504
why does the right hate free speech?
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Jakyl25
09/06/17 10:59:16 PM
#132:


There's a reason every platform that advocates as much free speech as possible turns into a racist cesspool
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CelesMyUserName
09/06/17 11:04:43 PM
#133:


how are we on the idea of @ -ing Vlado

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41109572
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Inviso
09/06/17 11:09:12 PM
#134:


CelesMyUserName posted...
how are we on the idea of @ -ing Vlado

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41109572


Fake news. Bulgaria is keeping up the good fight against globalism. If only more women were willing to be subservient to their men and exist purely to pump babies out of their God-given wombs, then this population decrease wouldn't be a problem.
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lordloki12
09/06/17 11:10:29 PM
#135:


What is the village to city equivalent of globalism?
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redrocket_pub
09/06/17 11:11:56 PM
#136:


CelesMyUserName posted...
how are we on the idea of @ -ing Vlado

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41109572


@Vlado
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Inviso
09/06/17 11:12:19 PM
#137:


Still globalism. Any change that Vlado doesn't like is globalism. I know because he said so while posting from Bulgaria on an American website that rose to prominence on the backs of Japanese video games.
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redrocket_pub
09/06/17 11:14:01 PM
#138:


Inviso posted...
Still globalism. Any change that Vlado doesn't like is globalism. I know because he said so while posting from Bulgaria on an American website that rose to prominence on the backs of Japanese video games.


lulz
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lordloki12
09/06/17 11:15:57 PM
#139:


Inviso posted...
Still globalism. Any change that Vlado doesn't like is globalism. I know because he said so while posting from Bulgaria on an American website that rose to prominence on the backs of Japanese video games.


That's a shame. I was hoping this was some kind of slippery slope deal where people left the village for the cities then left the cities and headed to other countries thus reaching the level of globalist scum.
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lordloki12
09/06/17 11:23:50 PM
#140:


On a more serious note, the older villagers in that article have a pretty depressing outlook after watching their village shrink to a population of 13. Feeling lonely and totally abandoned by a government they believe is only out for themselves. They know their village won't survive this.
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Jakyl25
09/06/17 11:24:46 PM
#141:


"They have a different culture, different religion, even different daily habits," he says. "And thank God Bulgaria so far is one of the most-well defended countries from Europe's immigrant influx."


LOLOL

"I'm not from here! I have my own customs! Look at my craazy passport!"
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Jakyl25
09/06/17 11:26:59 PM
#142:


lordloki12 posted...
On a more serious note, the older villagers in that article have a pretty depressing outlook after watching their village shrink to a population of 13. Feeling lonely and totally abandoned by a government they believe is only out for themselves. They know their village won't survive this.


But at least there are no MUSLIMS
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Suprak the Stud
09/06/17 11:29:11 PM
#143:


Jakyl25 posted...
TheRock1525 posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Bannon not too happy with Trump it seems

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJEyjhlWAAAm2lJ?format=jpg&name=large


C'mon GOP civil war...



https://twitter.com/sopandeb/status/905609269319524352

It's insane the sides people are running to


Is...is he praising the democrats for being conciliatory in their language (right after calling them "dimms")? And talking about how Ryan is a fake Republican anyway?

...what a weird year this has been.
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Jakyl25
09/06/17 11:30:21 PM
#144:


In case you don't go into his topics much, Vlado's recent allegation is that the DNC leaked their own information but planted information within the leaks that framed the Russians for it. On top of that, US intelligence agencies know that the Russians didn't actually do anything wrong, but they perpetuate the myth anyway to perpetuate globalism.
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Jakyl25
09/06/17 11:34:14 PM
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Jakyl25
09/06/17 11:42:48 PM
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Not_an_Owl
09/06/17 11:42:52 PM
#147:


CelesMyUserName posted...
how are we on the idea of @ -ing Vlado

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41109572

The government is introducing a number of measures to try to tackle depopulation by increasing the birth rate: offering help with the costs of fertility treatment, giving childcare, and mortgage support.

It is also encouraging ethnic Bulgarians who live abroad to return to the country, but no-one else.

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"They have a different culture, different religion, even different daily habits," he says. "And thank God Bulgaria so far is one of the most-well defended countries from Europe's immigrant influx."


I guess Vlado really is representative of his country!
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Jakyl25
09/06/17 11:55:42 PM
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MoogleKupo141
09/07/17 12:14:10 AM
#149:


Jakyl25 posted...
"They have a different culture, different religion, even different daily habits," he says. "And thank God Bulgaria so far is one of the most-well defended countries from Europe's immigrant influx."


LOLOL

"I'm not from here! I have my own customs! Look at my craazy passport!"


ah yes "well defended", not "completely unappealing"
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Jakyl25
09/07/17 12:31:42 AM
#150:


Even pro wrestler Rusev, Bulgaria's greatest son, has chosen to settle down in the US with an American woman. Disgusting!
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SgtSphynx
09/07/17 12:34:48 AM
#151:


CelesMyUserName posted...
how are we on the idea of @ -ing Vlado

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41109572

That's actually kind of sad. I genuinely feel bad for those people seeing their town dwindle like that. From 600 down to 13 is crazy.
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kevwaffles
09/07/17 12:44:43 AM
#152:


The greatest son was the only one to get out of his mom's basement.
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