Poll of the Day > Asians are OUTRAGED over the WHITE-WASHING of a Character in HELLBOY!!!

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Lionsgate Reboot of Hellboy is already stirring up controversy before it even starts as British actor, Ed Skrein, a white man was cast as Ben Daimio in Hellboy: Rise of the Blood Queen...the only problem is, the character is a JAPANESE-AMERICAN and his heritage was the central point of the character's backstory!!

Daimio's grandmother was a Japanese imperial assassin in WW2 and so the casting of a japanese actor, or even asian actor for that matter was imperative

Many obected to the role not going to an asianamerican actor and called it another example of Hollywood "whitewashing" asian characters

Cindy Chu said "I guess they want this to fail"

Stephanie Sheh said "Here we go again. Why Hollywood do you keep forcing me to boycott your films?"

Lionsgate has not responded to the outrage but this isn't the first time Hollywood was accused of whitewashing asian characters

Emma Stone's casting as a half-Hawaiian, half-Chinese character in Sony's "Aloha" created controversy which ultimately bombed.

Scarlett Johansson's part as a cyborg protagonist as a Japanese anime remake of Paramount's Ghost in the shell also caused outrage and it too bombed.

Netflix release of Japanese manga adaptation Death Note drew outrage when it transferred a japanese story to Seattle without any asian actors.

Studies have shown that diverse casts often lead to better box office returns and yet the top 100 films of 2015 contained not one leading role for an Asian-American. This has lead to frustration for many prominent Asian-American actors

Are you bothered by white-washing of asian characters is outrageous?.

Ed Skrein - playing japanese character

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Twitter -

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Aloha - Bomb

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Ghost in the Shell - Bomb

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GitS taught me that only westerners care about white-washing.
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Hollywood is run by the gay mafia, satanists and liberals. You expect any of these groups to have common sense?

In the eyes of actual Asians, Asian-Americans are just American.
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Full Throttle posted...

Are you bothered by white-washing of asian characters is outrageous?

You know, bothered and outraged aren't quite synonyms, even if you seemed to mix up the two mid-sentence even.

I'm bothered, but not outraged.
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TheCyborgNinja posted...

GitS taught me that only westerners care about white-washing.

Normally I don't care too much if the character's origin doesn't require it or it's incidental to the plot that argument doesn't work here. GitS was about a new shell for an existing brain and not every body that Motoko has used in the Manga (or even the Anime movies/series) has been Asian. Casting Emma Stone in Aloha was just foolish and the movie was terrible anyway so that should have been a lesson for them. Skrein was really good in Kill your friends (not so much in Transporter but those are trashy action anyway) so I get why they'd want to use him but this isn't the right call.
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VeeVees posted...

In the eyes of actual Asians, Asian-Americans are just American.

That's ok, Hollywood thinks that Japanese, Chinese and any other Asian nationality are interchangeable anyway so it's all good...
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I don't care about different characters being different races. It's just not something I have the effort to get worked up about

Oh no, he's


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Yes.

They don't get no money from me though so whatever.

I'm more perturbed by the duckbear washing of news.
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MICHALECOLE posted...

I don't care about different characters being different races. It's just not something I have the effort to get worked up about

So you'd be okay with the series about black people getting super powers being played entirely by white men?
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

MICHALECOLE posted...

I don't care about different characters being different races. It's just not something I have the effort to get worked up about

So you'd be okay with the series about black people getting super powers being played entirely by white men?

Yeah whatever idc

Cast whoever you wanna cast it's your movie

MLK as a Mexican, Abraham Lincoln as a black dude, Jesus as whatever race you think he wasn't

Seriously who gives a fuck

Yes and no. It would be nice if the producers stay true to the source material but at the same time, they're doing it for the money and not necessarily for the fans.

As for Ghost in the Shell, I think they are able to get away with using a Caucasian actress due to the nature of the lore. Motoko herself is just using a "suit"
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Discriminated your casting choices based on skin color would be actual racism.
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Asians are OUTRAGED over people calling them Asians.
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Mead posted...

Discriminated your casting choices based on skin color would be actual racism.

By that logic, all acting casting is discriminatory and all acting establishments need to be shut down for hate crimes.

If a character is Asian then the most qualified actor would be Asian, if a character is short then the most qualified actor would be short too. Choosing to not use a more qualified actor because of his racial characteristics (which suit the role) is blatantly racist.
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Mead posted...

Discriminated your casting choices based on skin color would be actual racism.

What about sex? age? Why not cast Gary Oldman as Liz? He can act.
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No, of course not.
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I don't get how one can complain about forced token minorities at the same time as whitewashing.
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I wish I was born 1000 years from now when we're all living in computers and no one has any race.

If it's a half-white character, casting an all-white actor is less of an issue than replacing a 100% minority actor *unless* the character looks completely like the other race (ie, Barack Obama). As a general rule, I hate these kinds of casting changes -- whether it's turning Motoko white or L black -- but I don't really know this character and, again, he's half-white anyway so I have less of a problem.

Full Throttle posted...

Netflix release of Japanese manga adaptation Death Note drew outrage when it transferred a japanese story to Seattle without any asian actors.

L should have been Asian, tbh. It would be a reverse-Othello.

Full Throttle posted...

Studies have shown that diverse casts often lead to better box office returns and yet the top 100 films of 2015 contained not one leading role for an Asian-American. This has lead to frustration for many prominent Asian-American actors

Most of those so-called "studies" are fictitious. Plus you don't have *that* many A-list Asian actors (although that's partly due to Asians getting fewer roles, but still, there are enough Asians getting roles that the number of A-listers should be higher)

Lokarin posted...

I don't get how one can complain about forced token minorities at the same time as whitewashing.

Eh?
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

MICHALECOLE posted...

I don't care about different characters being different races. It's just not something I have the effort to get worked up about

So you'd be okay with the series about black people getting super powers being played entirely by white men?

How would that work?
Would they blackface the whole cast? Then I would see it as a parody.
White people doing black stereotypes? I would see it as a parody.
Changing the script to remove the black requirements? If the show is good enough, then I would see it.
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Foppe posted...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

MICHALECOLE posted...

I don't care about different characters being different races. It's just not something I have the effort to get worked up about

So you'd be okay with the series about black people getting super powers being played entirely by white men?

How would that work?
Would they blackface the whole cast? Then I would see it as a parody.
White people doing black stereotypes? I would see it as a parody.
Changing the script to remove the black requirements? If the show is good enough, then I would see it.

If they went the blackface route, it'd probably be so hilariously offensive that it'd jump the horseshoe into people enjoying it.
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Duck-I-Says posted...

I wish I was born 1000 years from now when we're all living in computers and no one has any race.

What if we discovered some alien races and people on FuturePotD would be like: "Man, I hate those Klingons - they all criminals!".
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Seeing as I got mad when they made jonny storm black, yes I mad about this too

i dont like changing canon race

TheCyborgNinja posted...

GitS taught me that only westerners care about white-washing.

Wait, you mean people who live in countries where white people aren't the plurality of the population don't really care about white people playing people of other races? I wonder why that could be.

Also, that really makes the people who complain about non-white people playing characters who were white in the source material in western film adaptations look terrible by comparison.
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dioxxys posted...

Seeing as I got mad when they made jonny storm black, yes I mad about this too

i dont like changing canon race

Why not simply think of it as an alternative universe version.
I mean, what do you feel about Nick Fury?
He is white in the Marvel comics, then turned black in the Marvel Ultimate universe, and he is black in the current Marvel movieverse. He is white in earlier movies.
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White Washing is a problem for Asian/Indian in Hollywood.

I thought Ghost In the Shell the problem was just Scarlet Jo, but after watching that movie i think i only saw 3 asian people that had speaking roles in futuristic Japan.
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Foppe posted...

How would that work?
Would they blackface the whole cast? Then I would see it as a parody.
White people doing black stereotypes? I would see it as a parody.
Changing the script to remove the black requirements? If the show is good enough, then I would see it.

They'd say they're black, say they got their powers from their black parents (played by white people) and complain about oppression by those whities (played by chinese guys cuz reasons). Basically they just pretend they're black despite the obvious flaw in the casting.
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Foppe posted...

Why not simply think of it as an alternative universe version.
I mean, what do you feel about Nick Fury?
He is white in the Marvel comics, then turned black in the Marvel Ultimate universe, and he is black in the current Marvel movieverse. He is white in earlier movies.

the Nick Fury thing pisses me off the most of any of these changes. Because it completly changes the character. Black Nick Fury isn't just Nick Fury with black skin. He's a totally different person. original Nick Fury fought in WW2. he's from the same generation as Cap. He took a lesser version of a Super Soldier serum and it slowed down his aging. the black version is just a normal person who joined SHIELD. he's not from WW2. it takes away one of the coolest parts of the character. A guy who fought in WW2 and slowed down his aging is better than "black super spy from modern day"

I wouldn't be nearly as angry about it, if they had kept the WW2 part and just made him black. but they didn't.

ernieforss posted...

White Washing is a problem for Asian/Indian in Hollywood.

I thought Ghost In the Shell the problem was just Scarlet Jo, but after watching that movie i think i only saw 3 asian people that had speaking roles in futuristic Japan.

a similar thing happened to native americans in the movie 30 Days of Night. it's set in Barrow Alaska (they changed the name now to something else but I forget. it's in native language. starts with a U)

but all the characters are white. in real life, there like supposedly maybe 5 white people in the whole town. in the movie, everyone is white except for some Extras seen in the beginning of the movie, who never even have spoken lines.

Zikten posted...

Foppe posted...

Why not simply think of it as an alternative universe version.
I mean, what do you feel about Nick Fury?
He is white in the Marvel comics, then turned black in the Marvel Ultimate universe, and he is black in the current Marvel movieverse. He is white in earlier movies.

the Nick Fury thing pisses me off the most of any of these changes. Because it completly changes the character. Black Nick Fury isn't just Nick Fury with black skin. He's a totally different person. original Nick Fury fought in WW2. he's from the same generation as Cap. He took a lesser version of a Super Soldier serum and it slowed down his aging. the black version is just a normal person who joined SHIELD. he's not from WW2. it takes away one of the coolest parts of the character. A guy who fought in WW2 and slowed down his aging is better than "black super spy from modern day"

I wouldn't be nearly as angry about it, if they had kept the WW2 part and just made him black. but they didn't.

So you would have been as pissed if they turned him into a normal white guy who had not been in WWII that joined SHIELD?
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I'm Asian, and I don't care.

Hell, even when Scarlett Johansson was casted as the Major, I didn't care.

Strangely enough, from what I experience, I tend to see more white people offended by this than Asians when it comes to this kind of stuff.

I'm outraged about the blacksmearing of Roland in the Dark Tower movie.

not surprised. asians probably get the least respect in hollywood.
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Only if the ethnicity is vital to the character. Otherwise, I'm more interested in the overall portrayal being done right. For example, while the Ben Affleck version of Daredevil sucked, I was really excited to see Michael Duncan Clark play Kingpin because at the time, I felt his size made him the most genuine, well-known actor to play the role. Skin color be damned.
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It depends on how much white-washing there is, personally. So long as the actors have enough ethnicity to look the part, and they do a good job with the acting, that's enough for me.
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i'm cool with this coming to an end if non-white people wanna start making up their own characters instead of getting all defensive when white people get weirded out that the reverse happens. not as common, but still freaking weird dammit.
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Foppe posted...

Zikten posted...

Foppe posted...

Why not simply think of it as an alternative universe version.
I mean, what do you feel about Nick Fury?
He is white in the Marvel comics, then turned black in the Marvel Ultimate universe, and he is black in the current Marvel movieverse. He is white in earlier movies.

the Nick Fury thing pisses me off the most of any of these changes. Because it completly changes the character. Black Nick Fury isn't just Nick Fury with black skin. He's a totally different person. original Nick Fury fought in WW2. he's from the same generation as Cap. He took a lesser version of a Super Soldier serum and it slowed down his aging. the black version is just a normal person who joined SHIELD. he's not from WW2. it takes away one of the coolest parts of the character. A guy who fought in WW2 and slowed down his aging is better than "black super spy from modern day"

I wouldn't be nearly as angry about it, if they had kept the WW2 part and just made him black. but they didn't.

So you would have been as pissed if they turned him into a normal white guy who had not been in WWII that joined SHIELD?

Of course

It's not right to give glorified roles to people that attacked us.

I think the best white washing was Peter Sellers in The Party. that movie is great.
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All their characters in anime/manga look American anyway.

Update: Ed Skrein stepped down from the role when he found out that Daimio was Asian-American in the source material.

http://deadline.com/2017/08/ed-skrein-hellboy-whitewashing-backlash-lionsgate-millennium-1202157461/
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fettster777 posted...

All their characters in anime/manga look American anyway.

American=/=white
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RicewarriorZ posted...

I'm Asian, and I don't care.

Hell, even when Scarlett Johansson was casted as the Major, I didn't care.

Strangely enough, from what I experience, I tend to see more white people offended by this than Asians when it comes to this kind of stuff.

Don't worry plenty of non-asian folks are offended on your behalf
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JOExHIGASHI posted...

fettster777 posted...

All their characters in anime/manga look American anyway.

American=/=white

Until after the 60's, it pretty much was..

dainkinkaide posted...

Update: Ed Skrein stepped down from the role when he found out that Daimio was Asian-American in the source material.

http://deadline.com/2017/08/ed-skrein-hellboy-whitewashing-backlash-lionsgate-millennium-1202157461/

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Chielz0r posted...

JOExHIGASHI posted...

fettster777 posted...

All their characters in anime/manga look American anyway.

American=/=white

Until after the 60's, it pretty much was..

This is after the 60's
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Who the hell cares? The fact that people still care about races in 2017 just means that racism will always exist.