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Capn Circus
08/21/17 10:56:05 PM
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Who pathed the way for mass European colonization of the Americas?


Who was responsible for discovering the Americas and relaying the discoveries back to Europe, prompting continuous colonization ever since?

Some posts I've seen recently basically compare Christopher Columbus' accomplishments to one hopping into their Prius or hipster junker and discovering some new trendy bar that offers espresso shots served in syringes and then telling all of their friends what a discovery was made.
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RebelElite791
08/21/17 10:57:52 PM
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Why is mass colonization of the Americas a good thing that deserves praise?
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chill02
08/21/17 11:00:59 PM
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Capn Circus posted...
Some posts I've seen recently basically compare Christopher Columbus' accomplishments to one hopping into their Prius or hipster junker and discovering some new trendy bar that offers espresso shots served in syringes and then telling all of their friends what a discovery was made.


but that's more or less what happened, it's not like civilization didn't exist in the Americas before Europeans showed up
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Capn Circus
08/21/17 11:03:45 PM
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chill02 posted...
Capn Circus posted...
Some posts I've seen recently basically compare Christopher Columbus' accomplishments to one hopping into their Prius or hipster junker and discovering some new trendy bar that offers espresso shots served in syringes and then telling all of their friends what a discovery was made.


but that's more or less what happened, it's not like civilization didn't exist in the Americas before Europeans showed up


No, not really. Christopher Columbus worked his butt off in horrendous, dangerous conditions and for many, many years.. and without the technology we are privileged with today.

Do you believe you would exist as a person if it weren't for colonization of the Americas?
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RebelElite791
08/21/17 11:04:13 PM
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RebelElite791 posted...
Why is mass colonization of the Americas a good thing that deserves praise?

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King Rial
08/21/17 11:05:07 PM
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Pathed.
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chill02
08/21/17 11:05:08 PM
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Capn Circus posted...
chill02 posted...
Capn Circus posted...
Some posts I've seen recently basically compare Christopher Columbus' accomplishments to one hopping into their Prius or hipster junker and discovering some new trendy bar that offers espresso shots served in syringes and then telling all of their friends what a discovery was made.


but that's more or less what happened, it's not like civilization didn't exist in the Americas before Europeans showed up


No, not really. Christopher Columbus worked his butt off in horrendous, dangerous conditions and for many, many years.. and without the technology we are privileged with today.


Hardly. It's easy to grow food when you had generations of natives growing crops in the area already. Hell, they didn't even need to grow it themselves, they just got slaves to do it.
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Capn Circus
08/21/17 11:05:26 PM
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RebelElite791 posted...
Why is mass colonization of the Americas a good thing that deserves praise?


Vote for Christopher Columbus and let me know you did so, or vote for other and tell me who else is responsible.

Then I will answer your question.
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Bat178
08/21/17 11:06:01 PM
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Other person: the Vikings. They made it to North America first.
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glitteringfairy
08/21/17 11:07:08 PM
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RebelElite791 posted...
RebelElite791 posted...
Why is mass colonization of the Americas a good thing that deserves praise?

I like existing, I like my country.
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chill02
08/21/17 11:07:15 PM
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Capn Circus posted...
Do you believe you would exist as a person if it weren't for colonization of the Americas?


Obviously not since at least part of my ancestry can be traced to the Tainos, but then again, why does this magically make all the pillaging and raping ok? Nazi scientists are part of the reason NASA even exists, but that doesn't make their war crimes less abhorrent.
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Bio1590
08/21/17 11:07:22 PM
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He's officially lost it lol.

No one hates Columbus simply because he landed on San Salvador. It was everything he was personally involved in after that makes him a terrible person to commemorate.
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Capn Circus
08/21/17 11:07:44 PM
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I see two votes for "Other" with no explanation of how this person/group of people led to mass European colonization of the Americas.
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chill02
08/21/17 11:08:58 PM
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Bio1590 posted...
He's officially lost it lol.

No one hates Columbus simply because he landed on San Salvador. It was everything he was personally involved in after that makes him a terrible person to commemorate.


Also, the thing is that this isn't even looking at 1492 and later through a modern day glass; there were people back then who thought Columbus was ruthless, like Bartolomeo De Las Casas.
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lilORANG
08/21/17 11:09:05 PM
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Cj_WlLL_VVlN
08/21/17 11:10:31 PM
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RebelElite791 posted...
Why is mass colonization of the Americas a good thing that deserves praise?


For one I exist and that's important
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Bio1590
08/21/17 11:11:38 PM
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Bat178 posted...
Other person: the Vikings. They made it to North America first.

Fuck there's tons of evidence there may have been contact even before that.
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Capn Circus
08/21/17 11:12:04 PM
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chill02 posted...
Bio1590 posted...
He's officially lost it lol.

No one hates Columbus simply because he landed on San Salvador. It was everything he was personally involved in after that makes him a terrible person to commemorate.


Also, the thing is that this isn't even looking at 1492 and later through a modern day glass; there were people back then who thought Columbus was ruthless, like Bartolomeo De Las Casas.


The question isn't about "ruthlessness" or any other accusation. The question is very, very simple.

I've been through a few topics on CE that claim Columbus isn't responsible for **** and didn't accomplish ****.

So I want to hear some actual facts in this topic that back those sentiments up, if one believes Columbus didn't do anything productive----who did---who is responsible--- how--- and why---- Very simple.
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chill02
08/21/17 11:14:43 PM
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well, he did the equivalent of walking into someone's house, claiming it was now his' (or the crown's), then forcing the residents to work for him
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Bishop9800
08/21/17 11:16:13 PM
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Amerigo Vespucci
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Aristoph
08/21/17 11:17:03 PM
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No really.

"pathed"

Why is there not more attention on this?
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AlmasNo1Fan
08/21/17 11:19:16 PM
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The answer is Spain, homie G. And it is Spain that colonized Southern America, which means that the idea of "Mexican" is the blending of Spanish colonizers who interbred with Native Americans.
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powerman1426
08/21/17 11:19:20 PM
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Aristoph posted...
No really.

"pathed"

Why is there not more attention on this?

Only reason I clicked on this lol
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shanefu22
08/21/17 11:19:43 PM
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My only input is wtf is pathed
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Ivynn
08/21/17 11:20:26 PM
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powerman1426 posted...
Aristoph posted...
No really.

"pathed"

Why is there not more attention on this?

Only reason I clicked on this lol

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averagejoel
08/21/17 11:20:53 PM
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RebelElite791 posted...
RebelElite791 posted...
Why is mass colonization of the Americas a good thing that deserves praise?

nothing in the topic title screamed "praise" to me
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Capn Circus
08/21/17 11:20:58 PM
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Six votes for "other" and ZERO explanation.

This topic has a very simple premise. It's not hard guys, come on.
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Bio1590
08/21/17 11:22:54 PM
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Capn Circus posted...
chill02 posted...
Bio1590 posted...
He's officially lost it lol.

No one hates Columbus simply because he landed on San Salvador. It was everything he was personally involved in after that makes him a terrible person to commemorate.


Also, the thing is that this isn't even looking at 1492 and later through a modern day glass; there were people back then who thought Columbus was ruthless, like Bartolomeo De Las Casas.


The question isn't about "ruthlessness" or any other accusation. The question is very, very simple.

I've been through a few topics on CE that claim Columbus isn't responsible for **** and didn't accomplish ****.

So I want to hear some actual facts in this topic that back those sentiments up, if one believes Columbus didn't do anything productive----who did---who is responsible--- how--- and why---- Very simple.

Fuck man you really need to take a break.
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Delta_F14
08/21/17 11:24:04 PM
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Capn Circus posted...
Six votes for "other" and ZERO explanation.

This topic has a very simple premise. It's not hard guys, come on.

lol @ expecting straight answers on CE.
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Capn Circus
08/21/17 11:24:05 PM
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Aristoph posted...
No really.

"pathed"

Why is there not more attention on this?


"Pathed" is correct. Just like some SJWs will tell you referring to people as "they" is correct.
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Bio1590
08/21/17 11:24:31 PM
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averagejoel posted...
RebelElite791 posted...
RebelElite791 posted...
Why is mass colonization of the Americas a good thing that deserves praise?

nothing in the topic title screamed "praise" to me

But that's the only reason this topic was made.

Capn Clown is having a meltdown because he can't register the fact Columbus was a gigantic piece of shit even in his own time period.
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Capn Circus
08/21/17 11:26:08 PM
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Bio1590 posted...
averagejoel posted...
RebelElite791 posted...
RebelElite791 posted...
Why is mass colonization of the Americas a good thing that deserves praise?

nothing in the topic title screamed "praise" to me

But that's the only reason this topic was made.

Capn Clown is having a meltdown because he can't register the fact Columbus was a gigantic piece of shit even in his own time period.


I'm not having anything. The only thing I see is a bunch of votes for "other" that offer no explanation to the very simple topic title premise.

Very telling.
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RickyTheBAWSE
08/21/17 11:29:45 PM
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Capn Circus posted...
Bio1590 posted...
averagejoel posted...
RebelElite791 posted...
RebelElite791 posted...
Why is mass colonization of the Americas a good thing that deserves praise?

nothing in the topic title screamed "praise" to me

But that's the only reason this topic was made.

Capn Clown is having a meltdown because he can't register the fact Columbus was a gigantic piece of shit even in his own time period.


I'm not having anything. The only thing I see is a bunch of votes for "other" that offer no explanation to the very simple topic title premise.

Very telling.


do you believe every demographic in America should feel the same about Christopher Columbus? when you make topics like this, do you consider those other people or is that overshadowed by manifest destiny?
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RebelElite791
08/21/17 11:31:56 PM
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Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...
RebelElite791 posted...
Why is mass colonization of the Americas a good thing that deserves praise?


For one I exist and that's important

Because you wouldve never been born in the country your ancestors came from? Im not sure "i was born in America" justifies what was done to the natives
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Lorenzo_2003
08/21/17 11:55:02 PM
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chill02 posted...
Nazi scientists are part of the reason NASA even exists, but that doesn't make their war crimes less abhorrent.


Tear down NASA! Stupid scientists and their Nazi rocket program. I never did like their beady eyes, calculator watches and pocket protectors.
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Capn Circus
08/21/17 11:57:44 PM
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...
Capn Circus posted...
Bio1590 posted...
averagejoel posted...
RebelElite791 posted...
RebelElite791 posted...
Why is mass colonization of the Americas a good thing that deserves praise?

nothing in the topic title screamed "praise" to me

But that's the only reason this topic was made.

Capn Clown is having a meltdown because he can't register the fact Columbus was a gigantic piece of shit even in his own time period.


I'm not having anything. The only thing I see is a bunch of votes for "other" that offer no explanation to the very simple topic title premise.

Very telling.


do you believe every demographic in America should feel the same about Christopher Columbus? when you make topics like this, do you consider those other people or is that overshadowed by manifest destiny?


What does feelings have to do with a very simple question? You can say Christopher Columbus was "a bad person" but clearly no one can say he didn't play a major role in discovering the Americas and contributing to mass European colonization.

It's pretty sad what's going on ITT and it's sad people are blatantly ignoring facts with no alternative explanation. Everyone viewing this topic knows it, too.

It took such a simple question to reveal the truth leftists have been denying in other topics the past several hours.
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AmonAmarth
08/21/17 11:59:17 PM
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sure the vikings came before colombus,
but they didnt send in masses of people.

i dont know if you guys know but there is some European input in Native American dna (from thousands years ago).

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/11/131120-science-native-american-people-migration-siberia-genetics/

Nearly one-third of Native American genes come from west Eurasian people linked to the Middle East and Europe, rather than entirely from East Asians as previously thought, according to a newly sequenced genome.

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RickyTheBAWSE
08/22/17 12:02:58 AM
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Capn Circus posted...
RickyTheBAWSE posted...
Capn Circus posted...
Bio1590 posted...
averagejoel posted...
RebelElite791 posted...
RebelElite791 posted...
Why is mass colonization of the Americas a good thing that deserves praise?

nothing in the topic title screamed "praise" to me

But that's the only reason this topic was made.

Capn Clown is having a meltdown because he can't register the fact Columbus was a gigantic piece of shit even in his own time period.


I'm not having anything. The only thing I see is a bunch of votes for "other" that offer no explanation to the very simple topic title premise.

Very telling.


do you believe every demographic in America should feel the same about Christopher Columbus? when you make topics like this, do you consider those other people or is that overshadowed by manifest destiny?


What does feelings have to do with a very simple question? You can say Christopher Columbus was "a bad person" but clearly no one can say he didn't play a major role in discovering the Americas and contributing to mass European colonization.

It's pretty sad what's going on ITT and it's sad people are blatantly ignoring facts with no alternative explanation. Everyone viewing this topic knows it, too.

It took such a simple question to reveal the truth leftists have been denying in other topics the past several hours.


I concede that Columbus played a major role of winter coming to America. not that I'm on record for saying otherwise.

I'm just trying to figure out why you're coming off as if he should be praised.
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Capn Circus
08/22/17 12:04:16 AM
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Bio1590 posted...
Capn Circus posted...
chill02 posted...
Bio1590 posted...
He's officially lost it lol.

No one hates Columbus simply because he landed on San Salvador. It was everything he was personally involved in after that makes him a terrible person to commemorate.


Also, the thing is that this isn't even looking at 1492 and later through a modern day glass; there were people back then who thought Columbus was ruthless, like Bartolomeo De Las Casas.


The question isn't about "ruthlessness" or any other accusation. The question is very, very simple.

I've been through a few topics on CE that claim Columbus isn't responsible for **** and didn't accomplish ****.

So I want to hear some actual facts in this topic that back those sentiments up, if one believes Columbus didn't do anything productive----who did---who is responsible--- how--- and why---- Very simple.

Fuck man you really need to take a break.


Just answer the question instead of tip toeing around it. It should be SUCH an easy thing to do if an alternative reality was true
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NurseRedHeart
08/22/17 12:05:06 AM
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RebelElite791 posted...
Why is mass colonization of the Americas a good thing that deserves praise?


Yes?
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RebelElite791
08/22/17 12:10:08 AM
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NurseRedHeart posted...
RebelElite791 posted...
Why is mass colonization of the Americas a good thing that deserves praise?


Yes?

Are you illiterate?
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Capn Circus
08/22/17 12:10:58 AM
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RebelElite791 posted...
NurseRedHeart posted...
RebelElite791 posted...
Why is mass colonization of the Americas a good thing that deserves praise?


Yes?

Are you illiterate?


Did you vote, Rebel? Which vote did you choose? Please explain if you chose "Other"
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SlashmanSG
08/22/17 12:12:23 AM
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Aristoph posted...
No really.

"pathed"

Why is there not more attention on this?

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Esrac
08/22/17 12:14:36 AM
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RebelElite791 posted...
Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...
RebelElite791 posted...
Why is mass colonization of the Americas a good thing that deserves praise?


For one I exist and that's important

Because you wouldve never been born in the country your ancestors came from? Im not sure "i was born in America" justifies what was done to the natives


No, he never would've been born in the country (or countries) his ancestors came from. The chain of events, spanning hundreds of years, would have been so radically different that anyone who is currently alive in the United States would not likely be alive today had Europeans not successfully colonized North America and displaced the native popultion. We would have a radicallu diffrent world with a uniquely seperate group individual descendents.

Unless there's some sci-fi timeline shenanigans where we could expect ourselves to exist more or less the same, except now we have a cockney accent or something.
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Esrac
08/22/17 12:17:21 AM
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Bat178 posted...
Other person: the Vikings. They made it to North America first.


Yeah, but I don't think they did a whole lot to "pave the way" for mass European colonization in the same way we would say for men like Colombus or the pilgrims or whatever.
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Paragon21XX
08/22/17 12:18:53 AM
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He only proved to the rest that it's possible to sail across the ocean to reach land in a reasonable amount of time.

So the real credit belongs to whoever actually realized that Columbus actually reached a new continent (Columbus himself did not realize that fact and actually believed he made it close to India or Indonesia all the way to the grave).
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08/22/17 12:20:42 AM
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Capn Circus
08/22/17 12:20:46 AM
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...
I concede that Columbus played a major role of winter coming to America. not that I'm on record for saying otherwise.

I'm just trying to figure out why you're coming off as if he should be praised.


I applaud you for your honesty in acknowledging the truth compared to others in this topic (besides the poll results, of course).

As far as whether or not he should be praised, I think that calls for another time in another topic, given the fact we have people currently struggling with objective truth.

We can't have a discussion about praise or condemnation if people won't even acknowledge facts of the matter.
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