Poll of the Day > The Defenders was pretty good, imo. (Spoilers)

(+) Yeah! (+)

I liked it. The only things I disliked about it was Iron Fist being such a huge focus to the plot which gave him more screen time, how easily they defeated the hand, and that we still have no idea what the black sky is.

Other than those minor complaints, it was good. I think it it made me Jessica a lot more than I originally did, her quips to the others were pretty much what a normal person would be thinking in that situation. I especially liked it when she saw daredevil's suit again. lol
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Only half way through.. isnt Electra the Black Sky?

Also, quick yes or no question, is the Hand after an Infinity Stone?
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I liked it too TC
I know you used a spoiler tag but I'm just gonna be clear, that there are end season spoilers in my post for everyone else.

@JixHedgehog
I'll answer your Yes or No question first because it's quicker: The answer is no

As for the first part of your post: the black sky is still vague to us (the viewers) in Daredevil season 1
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the black sky was a young boy who was killed by stick.

In the Defenders, Elektra replaced this unknown child as the black sky. But what does this mean exactly? Is the black sky just a title given to a skilled killer? Or something more? Who, if anyone will become the black sky after Elektra?
Find out next time on DRAGON BALL Z- okay just joking.
But honestly we don't know the answers to those questions. The black sky is still a mystery. One that might not be answered because the hand is seemingly wiped out.

Personal thought/ end season spoil: I think Gao is very much alive, but that's just a hunch


@KogaSteelfang
I agree I was annoyed with how well they wiped out the hand, just because in the comics they were practically an immortal group; they just kept popping back up over centuries, much like Hydra.
In the show the heroes seriously just mopped up the hand, one finger at a time. And I was sitting there like "these guys are supposed to have been around for hundreds of years and they're being defeated by (comparably) rookies?"

The MCU in general likes to end story arcs relatively quickly compared to their comic counterpart, so I guess I just need to get used to that.

Also Stick and the chaste are all dead? So the Hand is wiped out and the Chaste are wiped out.
That's a lot of Daredevil lore gone so quickly.

Also also, Stone (a memeber of the chaste and a pupil of Stick) was shown in a scene in Daredevil (I don't remember which season), and he's not even mentioned again?
Why tease a character just to suggest he died off screen. Most viewers probably forgot about him because he was presented as this mystery-for-a-later-date and put on the back burner.
So it doesn't seem right that he's just gone.
Then again maybe Stick was lying about ALL the chaste being wiped out because he didn't want them to know about Stone.
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Yeah, a lot of it felt rushed and anticlimactic. Actually, thinking back on it, the ones with powers didn't even kill any of the Hand leaders. It was all just regular but highly trained humans. I agree that Gao lived though. I'd be really surprised if it turns out otherwise.
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I didn't like it.

Felt like the worst of all of the shows combined into one very shitty show.
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I thought Iron Fist and the second half of Luke Cage were worse. There certainly was a lot that could've done better though. 8 episodes almost felt like too many. If Daredevil had just been straight with them once he decided to join, and Danny wasn't a moron, it could've been streamlined into like 3-4 episodes.
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There was a lot to take away from it, I would say 8 episodes was the sweet spot for me as I didn't feel like it dragged on compared to Jones and Cage. Iron Fist I couldn't even finish because it was just horrendous acting.

Some things were a bit puzzling to me, like why did they turn Karen and Foggy into these whiney miserable characters? Everytime they showed up, especially Karen, I just wanted them off the screen.

The initial fight between Luke Cage and Danny was awesome, especially the slow mo bit where Danny is landing all these hits on Luke and Luke just stands there like "yeah this isn't doing anything to me." But then in EVERY fight scene after that Luke just seems to be getting hit left and right and falling over. His powers seem so inconsistent to me that I didn't understand if I missed a scene where he got his powers taken away or something. The writers are very inconsistent what he and Jessica can actually do.

Danny was whiney again, The Nurse was great, Colleen had great fight scenes, Stick was pretty badass again. All in all the guy who plays Daredevil was the best, he nails it everytime for me and felt like the glue keeping the team together. I still think Fisk would have been a better villain then the hand. I just really hated The Hands plot.
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Well, I thought it was way better then Iron first, better then Luke cake, not as good as Jessica Jones, and didn't come close to either season of Daredevil.


Was totally worth watching though.

Wish they would kill off Iron first personally, even though it doesn't make sense in the MCU.

They did tease future JEssica Johnes/Cake romance/drama and also power man/iron fist team ups which was pretty cool.

Matt was still probably the best, although a bit more whiney then normal and Foggy/Karen just....were totally wasted. They have great characters, and I know they have to play off where DD left off, but yeah, wasted.

Off all the sidekicks/friends Foggy and Karen are by far my best, being a big part of why I like the DD's more (Avacados at law hehe). That was the biggest letdown (that and them not sidelining Danny (like tie him up in episode 1 and then have him captured in 8 and never seem him between...would have been better).

Kinda also liked Luke better in this then in his own series. Jessica really did rock it, coming in right behind or equal to Matt.

Villian wise I was very, very dissapointed, nobody holds a candle to Delfino as Kingpin so far in my opinion at least (though Jessica's villian was great too).

I'd resub for a Defenders season 2 though (and certainly for another DD or Jessica).
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wolfy42 posted...

Matt was still probably the best, although a bit more whiney then normal and Foggy/Karen just....were totally wasted. They have great characters, and I know they have to play off where DD left off, but yeah, wasted.

There must have been a special prize in the writers room to whoever could write the worst versions of Karen and Foggy. They were just dreadful. "Oh no he is thinking about becoming Daredevil to help save our city again! Quick get him some homework to keep his mind occupied." they treated Matt the whole show as if becoming Daredevil was like shooting up heroin.
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Finished!

Yeah, I agree with a lot of what was said here and the RT rating, 8 episodes was a good, safe number

It was good, not the best show but they managed to pull it off and I enjoyed it. (Iron Fist is just.. ugh.. I told him to turn his fist off before he punched the wall..)

Anticipating what's coming up next, I think its Jessica S2 or Punisher? Lets not forget Shades and whats her name are still on the loose..
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JixHedgehog posted...

Finished!

Yeah, I agree with a lot of what was said here and the RT rating, 8 episodes was a good, safe number

It was good, not the best show but they managed to pull it off and I enjoyed it. (Iron Fist is just.. ugh.. I told him to turn his fist off before he punched the wall..)

Anticipating what's coming up next, I think its Jessica S2 or Punisher? Lets not forget Shades and whats her name are still on the loose..

I think Jessica Jones and Matt will hook up. I liked their chemistry together.
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I think I missed something. How did Matt manage to survive and get out of the no doubt gigantic rubble pile on top of him?

SmokeMassTree posted...

I didn't like it.

Felt like the worst of all of the shows combined into one very shitty show.

No chemistry between the characters, either. Also it was missing the one character who could have made the group dynamic a little interesting, The Punisher.

Jiggy101011 posted...

Iron Fist I couldn't even finish because it was just horrendous acting.

Oh my God, finally, someone who agrees with me! You have no idea how many downvotes I accumulated on Reddit trash talking the acting in that show. So many sycophants over there.

It didn't explain how he got out. Maybe the bones protected him somehow. I'm thinking maybe Gao might've saved him, idk.
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ZBug_ posted...

I liked it too TC
I know you used a spoiler tag but I'm just gonna be clear, that there are end season spoilers in my post for everyone else.

@JixHedgehog
I'll answer your Yes or No question first because it's quicker: The answer is no

As for the first part of your post: the black sky is still vague to us (the viewers) in Daredevil season 1
---(SPOILERS for Daredevil)---
the black sky was a young boy who was killed by stick.

In the Defenders, Elektra replaced this unknown child as the black sky. But what does this mean exactly? Is the black sky just a title given to a skilled killer? Or something more? Who, if anyone will become the black sky after Elektra?
Find out next time on DRAGON BALL Z- okay just joking.
But honestly we don't know the answers to those questions. The black sky is still a mystery. One that might not be answered because the hand is seemingly wiped out.

Personal thought/ end season spoil: I think Gao is very much alive, but that's just a hunch


@KogaSteelfang
I agree I was annoyed with how well they wiped out the hand, just because in the comics they were practically an immortal group; they just kept popping back up over centuries, much like Hydra.
In the show the heroes seriously just mopped up the hand, one finger at a time. And I was sitting there like "these guys are supposed to have been around for hundreds of years and they're being defeated by (comparably) rookies?"

The MCU in general likes to end story arcs relatively quickly compared to their comic counterpart, so I guess I just need to get used to that.

Also Stick and the chaste are all dead? So the Hand is wiped out and the Chaste are wiped out.
That's a lot of Daredevil lore gone so quickly.

Also also, Stone (a memeber of the chaste and a pupil of Stick) was shown in a scene in Daredevil (I don't remember which season), and he's not even mentioned again?
Why tease a character just to suggest he died off screen. Most viewers probably forgot about him because he was presented as this mystery-for-a-later-date and put on the back burner.
So it doesn't seem right that he's just gone.
Then again maybe Stick was lying about ALL the chaste being wiped out because he didn't want them to know about Stone.

That Dragonball Z part had me laughing. xD

It came out of nowhere. Haha
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I find it odd that people are complaining about 12-13 episodes being too long to watch. Now 26 episodes of Flash and Arrow, that's long. 13 episodes isn't even that much.

My biggest gripe about the Defenders is that it wasn't long enough. Maybe if they added a couple more episodes so then they can explain more of what's happening or what has happened. It would have been cool.
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solid_kush posted...

Now 26 episodes of Flash and Arrow, that's long.

Last season of Flash was about 20 episodes too long, so I think it's a fair complaint.

Some of the plot points near the end were a little too coincidental, and I wish they would have had more flashback episodes about The Hand or something to make you care more about the villains.

Those were my only complaints.

Just finished watching this so Im bumping.

It was good for sure but there was definitely too much dialog arguing over stuff. They shouldnt have to convince each other over and over again.

Im glad that Daredevil is alive at the end because he is my favorite out of all of them and he has the best series.

My only problem with this is that it could very well mean that the hand and gao are still alive and that would be extremely irritating.

Agree on Iron Fist not being great, he is so whiny. His series was also the worst.
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DrPrimemaster posted...

My only problem with this is that it could very well mean that the hand and gao are still alive and that would be extremely irritating.

Yeah how many more seasons and shows are going to have them as the primary antagonist. Let's move on to something new. If they absolutely must continue to milk the hand then at least introduce Splinter and Shredder.

Also its kind of weird how theyre suddenly not in trouble for anything.
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DrPrimemaster posted...

Also its kind of weird how theyre suddenly not in trouble for anything.

Yeah there should be a plot point in the Punisher where Frank gets pissed upon hearing that they all are off the hook for multiple homocides and blowing up a building, but he's still public enemy number 1.

Duck-I-Says posted...

DrPrimemaster posted...

My only problem with this is that it could very well mean that the hand and gao are still alive and that would be extremely irritating.

Yeah how many more seasons and shows are going to have them as the primary antagonist. Let's move on to something new. If they absolutely must continue to milk the hand then at least introduce Splinter and Shredder.

Its part of what made Iron Fist so irritating. They didnt accomplish anything relevant to the main plot.
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Also Stick and the chaste are all dead? So the Hand is wiped out and the Chaste are wiped out.
That's a lot of Daredevil lore gone so quickly.

In the comics, it happens even quicker then that:

If they went by the comics, then Stick and the chaste should have died during the ceremony to bring Elektra back. Also, instead of the Defenders fighting the Hand, it would be Daredevil and Black Widow. Actually,
pretty much the whole of the Defenders plot takes place in like 2 or 3 issues I believe, and ends with the hand winning, not being (almost) wiped out.
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wolfy42 posted...

Delfino as Kingpin

And that, boys and girls, is what your parents used to call an epic fail.
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Jiggy101011 posted...

JixHedgehog posted...

Finished!

Yeah, I agree with a lot of what was said here and the RT rating, 8 episodes was a good, safe number

It was good, not the best show but they managed to pull it off and I enjoyed it. (Iron Fist is just.. ugh.. I told him to turn his fist off before he punched the wall..)

Anticipating what's coming up next, I think its Jessica S2 or Punisher? Lets not forget Shades and whats her name are still on the loose..

I think Jessica Jones and Matt will hook up. I liked their chemistry together.

Ehhhh.. Matts still into Karen.. but they didnt take the Luke & Jessica route (yet?) so anything can happen.

KogaSteelfang posted...

It didn't explain how he got out. Maybe the bones protected him somehow. I'm thinking maybe Gao might've saved him, idk.

There was an underground quarry right underneath the building (remember the wide zoom out at the end of episode 7?)

He, Electra and Gao prolly made a jump for it.. Nobu thou? Not so much.. fell several stories off the elevator and got impaled .. no walking away from that..
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JixHedgehog posted...

Jiggy101011 posted...

JixHedgehog posted...

Finished!

Yeah, I agree with a lot of what was said here and the RT rating, 8 episodes was a good, safe number

It was good, not the best show but they managed to pull it off and I enjoyed it. (Iron Fist is just.. ugh.. I told him to turn his fist off before he punched the wall..)

Anticipating what's coming up next, I think its Jessica S2 or Punisher? Lets not forget Shades and whats her name are still on the loose..

I think Jessica Jones and Matt will hook up. I liked their chemistry together.

Ehhhh.. Matts still into Karen.. but they didnt take the Luke & Jessica route (yet?) so anything can happen.

KogaSteelfang posted...

It didn't explain how he got out. Maybe the bones protected him somehow. I'm thinking maybe Gao might've saved him, idk.

There was an underground quarry right underneath the building (remember the wide zoom out at the end of episode 7?)

He, Electra and Gao prolly made a jump for it.. Nobu thou? Not so much.. fell several stories off the elevator and got impaled .. no walking away from that..

Karen and Matt will never work out as long as he keeps being Daredevil, she is too whiney. Meanwhile J Jones will just make fun of him for wearing a costume and then ask him to keep it on while they bone.
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I recently made a topic about it. While I like all of the netflix shows, there is A LOT to criticize in them especially the last few. I could go on and on listing the problems, but at the end of the day, the main big problem plaguing iron fist and the defenders is that they were rushed.

They were simply put, quite obviously and hastily rushed, and the quality reflects that.
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saspa posted...

I recently made a topic about it. While I like all of the netflix shows, there is A LOT to criticize in them especially the last few. I could go on and on listing the problems, but at the end of the day, the main big problem plaguing iron fist and the defenders is that they were rushed.

They were simply put, quite obviously and hastily rushed, and the quality reflects that.

I like your sig.
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I don't think daredevil will bone JJ, even though I like the idea. I'm actually looking forward to her season 2, I've grown to like her more as LK and IF had their disappointing seasons.

I would prefer just DD and JJ seasons in the future, with LK and IF only being guest stars and in the Defender episodes personally. That and Punisher as well of course.

LK just doesn't do it for me, it wasn't horrible (like IF) but I think he works better as a guest star and not a primary character personally. He would be fun long term if he gets into it with JJ and especially if Squirrel Girl shows up.

IF should just be put in a coma or something, I think everyone would like applaud and love the season of any of the shows that ends up with him out of the picture for awhile. Maybe have him be horribly disfigured and have to wear the IF mask, and have another actor play him in the future or something. Seriously, he just detracts from the rest, don't even like his sidekick.

DD is still great but yeah, fire the writes for foggy etc in defenders, and get back on track with the team. Season 1 was awesome, season 2 was great, defenders was totally different in how almost all the characters acted (even Matt was kinda more wimpy/whinny etc).

Maybe it was the writers for IF taking over or something, if so, kill them off:)
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That girl Colleen is hot though
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Kevman510 posted...

That girl Colleen is hot though

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I agree it was good but I was disappointed by Sigourney Weaver getting killed off so suddenly, she was one of the more interesting characters, it made all the build up regarding her character meaningless, and it really lowered the stakes for the final episodes. I think that was a downright stupid writing choice.
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Mead posted...

I agree it was good but I was disappointed by Sigourney Weaver getting killed off so suddenly, she was one of the more interesting characters, it made all the build up regarding her character meaningless, and it really lowered the stakes for the final episodes. I think that was a downright stupid writing choice.

So true it hurts.
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