Poll of the Day > Is it just pure coincidence that we have terrorists groups in the US...

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and the middle east, both of which seem to dedicate themselves to destroying historical monuments because they have a moral disagreement over what those monuments stand for?
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I don't know of any domestic terrorist groups who are dedicated to destroying American monuments, although I know several that are dedicated to preserving them.

Ban statues, I guess?
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darkknight109 posted...

I don't know of any domestic terrorist groups who are dedicated to destroying American monuments, although I know several that are dedicated to preserving them.

i guess thats a matter of perspective. personally, i think the side that wants to suppress free speech, destroy US history, and constantly threaten violence and riots are the terrorists, but to each his own.
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Troll_Police_ posted...

darkknight109 posted...

I don't know of any domestic terrorist groups who are dedicated to destroying American monuments, although I know several that are dedicated to preserving them.

i guess thats a matter of perspective. personally, i think the side that wants to suppress free speech, destroy US history, and constantly threaten violence and riots are the terrorists, but to each his own.

See, and here I thought terrorism was defined on the basis of actually inciting terror, not just doing things you don't like. Go figure.
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Troll_Police_ posted...

darkknight109 posted...

I don't know of any domestic terrorist groups who are dedicated to destroying American monuments, although I know several that are dedicated to preserving them.

i guess thats a matter of perspective. personally, i think the side that wants to suppress free speech, destroy US history, and constantly threaten violence and riots are the terrorists, but to each his own.

I agree, but the only groups I can think of that fit that description in its entirety are the ones who come out and defend those monuments (not that all the monument defenders are terrorists, of course, but the terrorists who fit that description are monument defenders).
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14 year old girls on tumblr or 30 year old men with bombs strapped to them: who are the real terrorists?

adjl posted...

Troll_Police_ posted...

darkknight109 posted...

I don't know of any domestic terrorist groups who are dedicated to destroying American monuments, although I know several that are dedicated to preserving them.

i guess thats a matter of perspective. personally, i think the side that wants to suppress free speech, destroy US history, and constantly threaten violence and riots are the terrorists, but to each his own.

See, and here I thought terrorism was defined on the basis of actually inciting terror, not just doing things you don't like. Go figure.

Riots don't incite terror? Threatening free speech with violence doesnt incite terror?

I mean, I know you come from a country that doesn't uphold free speech, but in the civilized world we still hold it sacred.
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Troll_Police_ posted...

Riots don't incite terror? Threatening free speech with violence doesnt incite terror?

I mean, I know you come from a country that doesn't uphold free speech, but in the civilized world we still hold it sacred.

I'd say deliberately running people over with a car qualifies as terror, especially when those people were simply exercising their own right to free speech.

Wouldn't you agree?
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/oklahoma-man-charged-in-anti-government-bomb-plot/2017/08/14/97816686-80f9-11e7-ab27-1a21a8e006ab_story.html

Oh hey, lookee here! An actual domestic terrorist.

And imagine that! He's affiliated with a Conservative anti-government group!

Say it ain't so!
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Far-Queue posted...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/oklahoma-man-charged-in-anti-government-bomb-plot/2017/08/14/97816686-80f9-11e7-ab27-1a21a8e006ab_story.html

Oh hey, lookee here! An actual domestic terrorist.

And imagine that! He's affiliated with a Conservative anti-government group!

Say it ain't so!

If you are anti government doesnt make you an anarchist? Not a Conservative?

dioxxys posted...

Far-Queue posted...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/oklahoma-man-charged-in-anti-government-bomb-plot/2017/08/14/97816686-80f9-11e7-ab27-1a21a8e006ab_story.html

Oh hey, lookee here! An actual domestic terrorist.

And imagine that! He's affiliated with a Conservative anti-government group!

Say it ain't so!

If you are anti government doesnt make you an anarchist? Not a Conservative?

Probably more Libertarian than anarchist.

But the 3 Percenters hold Conservative values. They're Constitutionalists and staunch defenders of the 2nd Amendment.
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Troll_Police_ posted...

Riots don't incite terror?

By their nature, riots are not organized enough to qualify as deliberate terror attacks. Also, while scary enough in their own right, riots are too small-scale to really qualify as "terror."

Troll_Police_ posted...

Threatening free speech with violence doesnt incite terror?

Again, too small-scale. "Terror" in the sense of terrorism is a systematic breakdown of social function. Being afraid to say "I collect swastikas and swastika accessories" doesn't break down anything except a couple guys' ability to act Nazitastic, and nobody cares about Nazis.

Troll_Police_ posted...

I mean, I know you come from a country that doesn't uphold free speech, but in the civilized world we still hold it sacred.

And yet here you are, trying to brand entire movements as terrorists to dissuade people from listening to them, over the actions of a few violent malcontents that don't in any way diminish the actual mission. "Valuing free speech." Right.
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People realize the civil war was not about human rights, right?

It was about "our sweatshop level labor can't compete with your slave labor".

Black people were still treated like dirt after the civil war even in the north.
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ForteEXE3850 posted...

Black people were still treated like dirt after the civil war even in the north.

Even by other blacks even

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_United_States#Black_slaveholders

I often consider America to be the Christian equivalent of the Islamic world at this point in time, albeit with far more liberty.
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I think it's super obvious that nobody will ever agree on anything and we're doomed as fuck. The only thing you can do is live your life day to day and try to be as happy as possible in whatever situation you're in.

Look at this history being destroyed by terrorists!

https://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/audio/video/2013/3/9/1362844516699/Statue---Saddam-Hussein-012.jpg

Just despicable.
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MICHALECOLE posted...

I think it's super obvious that nobody will ever agree on anything and we're doomed as fuck. The only thing you can do is live your life day to day and try to be as happy as possible in whatever situation you're in.

In all honesty, the USA and Canada need their borders redrawn into several new countries. It's not some strange, crazy idea to do this in an effort to please everybody. Look at Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, Ireland, and The United Provinces. They're all developed nations that simply decided "nope" and did their own things peacefully (well, Yugoslavia took a bit of work). Even Switzerland, despite being a single nation, is technically a confederation of independent states with a direct democracy, and each state basically makes its own rules based on what is popular locally. Not just little things, but the federal-level stuff.
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TheWorstPoster posted...

ForteEXE3850 posted...

Black people were still treated like dirt after the civil war even in the north.

Even by other blacks even

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_United_States#Black_slaveholders

what does that link have to do with the text you quoted?

GanonsSpirit posted...

Look at this history being destroyed by terrorists!

https://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/audio/video/2013/3/9/1362844516699/Statue---Saddam-Hussein-012.jpg

Just despicable.

Saddam was a genocidal maniac though.
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TheCyborgNinja posted...

MICHALECOLE posted...

I think it's super obvious that nobody will ever agree on anything and we're doomed as fuck. The only thing you can do is live your life day to day and try to be as happy as possible in whatever situation you're in.

In all honesty, the USA and Canada need their borders redrawn into several new countries. It's not some strange, crazy idea to do this in an effort to please everybody. Look at Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, Ireland, and The United Provinces. They're all developed nations that simply decided "nope" and did their own things peacefully (well, Yugoslavia took a bit of work). Even Switzerland, despite being a single nation, is technically a confederation of independent states with a direct democracy, and each state basically makes its own rules based on what is popular locally. Not just little things, but the federal-level stuff.

I think that living in the US has skewed our views on everything. It's like a failed experiment of "what if we combined a bunch of cultures and see how that goes?" Because we fucked it up with racism and genocide and slavery.

Idk. I'm pretty sad about how divided things are. People are literally defending nazis. It's like equality for all is a joke.

TheCyborgNinja posted...

In all honesty, the USA and Canada need their borders redrawn into several new countries

Wait, why are we dragging Canada into this?
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adjl posted...

See, and here I thought terrorism was defined on the basis of actually inciting terror, not just doing things you don't like. Go figure.

Pretty sure going down to attack people and intimidate them then destroying landmarks counts even under your stringent guidelines.
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So, I'm kind of curious now. Are there people who watch The Blues Brothers and get to the scene about the Illinois Nazis and think that the protesters and the Blues Brothers are the bad guys? And the Nazis are meant to be the sympathetic characters?

Because based on the last few days' events, I'm assuming the answer must be yes.
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Zeus posted...

adjl posted...

See, and here I thought terrorism was defined on the basis of actually inciting terror, not just doing things you don't like. Go figure.

Pretty sure going down to attack people and intimidate them then destroying landmarks counts even under your stringent guidelines.

I don't think "inciting terror" is really a stringent guideline to use in defining "terrorist group." Especially not coming from somebody who's spent the last week relying on a flimsy strand of fervent pedantry to avoid admitting he's a Nazi sympathizer. I would think you'd be all over interpreting words using their obvious definitions.
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Zeus posted...

adjl posted...

See, and here I thought terrorism was defined on the basis of actually inciting terror, not just doing things you don't like. Go figure.

Pretty sure going down to attack people and intimidate them then destroying landmarks counts even under your stringent guidelines.

you tried arguing that someone with white supremacy tattoos walking with a sign saying everyone needs to die couldn't possibly terrorize someone.
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MICHALECOLE posted...

TheCyborgNinja posted...

MICHALECOLE posted...

I think it's super obvious that nobody will ever agree on anything and we're doomed as fuck. The only thing you can do is live your life day to day and try to be as happy as possible in whatever situation you're in.

In all honesty, the USA and Canada need their borders redrawn into several new countries. It's not some strange, crazy idea to do this in an effort to please everybody. Look at Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, Ireland, and The United Provinces. They're all developed nations that simply decided "nope" and did their own things peacefully (well, Yugoslavia took a bit of work). Even Switzerland, despite being a single nation, is technically a confederation of independent states with a direct democracy, and each state basically makes its own rules based on what is popular locally. Not just little things, but the federal-level stuff.

I think that living in the US has skewed our views on everything. It's like a failed experiment of "what if we combined a bunch of cultures and see how that goes?" Because we fucked it up with racism and genocide and slavery.

Idk. I'm pretty sad about how divided things are. People are literally defending nazis. It's like equality for all is a joke.

I agree, but Canada is hardly able to look down upon you guys (as people here love to do out of some inferiority complex). North America needs a mulligan. Not everyone wants to agree on policy or have the same system, in some cases they hold directly competing ideals. There's no compromise possible beyond "everyone is miserable" or "separate."

The melting pot and multiculturalism don't work well unless everyone essentially renounces their heritage to create a new one together. It's the cultural equivalent of tying two people who hate each other together until they get along. Usually, you're just told what you want to hear and it's back to square one...

For Canada, you have the north, the Atlantic provinces, BC, the prairies, Ontario, and Quebec that should all be independent from one-another. Many border areas share common values, like WA and OR with BC or the prairies with the northern Midwest states, etc. Everyone would be much happier. Let the South do its thing, the NE states, etc.
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TheCyborgNinja posted...

Not everyone wants to agree on policy or have the same system, in some cases they hold directly competing ideals.

Yes - that's called "democracy". Witness how even within the provinces/regions you've mentioned there's different political parties vying for control who often have very different ideas about how to run things. Splitting up into smaller nations won't change that (it would, however, have a series of disastrous economic effects).

TheCyborgNinja posted...

The melting pot and multiculturalism don't work well unless everyone essentially renounces their heritage to create a new one together.

We seem to have done pretty well for ourselves with it in Canada. With the exception of the Natives (who have libraries worth of history related to their conflicts to sift through), we generally seem to be largely free from racial strife. Not saying that racism doesn't exist here, but it's a pretty minor issue considering how open we are to minorities and minority culture.
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GOP logic

Running people over with cars isn't a terrorist attack, but vandalizing a statue is.
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