Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 125: Her Name Is Heather Heyer.

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

XIII_rocks posted...

That post about the board celebrating the Scalise assassination was completely routine Ulti, yet you still felt the need to dispute it as if there was some possibility that it wasn't a contrivance to provoke that exact response.

i don't care if it was "routine ulti" or whatever you want to call it. it was fucking slander and i don't let stuff like that slide.

Let it slide when it's Ulti saying it, because almost nothing he says matters at all, and certainly not patently ridiculous accusations like that. Ignore, and move on. It's "hobo yelling at passing cars" shit.

And in any case I'm now no longer sure of your stance. Earlier you said you stopped engaging him, but now you say you won't let his "slander" slide (even if it's utterly, and pathetically, selfish of you to continue). So which is it? Were you willing to let the slander go during that time, or were you engaging him when he slandered you?
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Jakyl25 posted...

transience posted...

oh darn. I just like the idea that someone is there following the royal family's twitter habits so close

That part is true!

Update: it's @TrumpsAlert on Twitter
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https://twitter.com/TrumpsAlert/status/896891639657922560

oh

(I wish gamefaqs had some kind of API that let tweets be just visible)
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transience posted...

https://twitter.com/TrumpsAlert/status/896891639657922560

oh

(I wish gamefaqs had some kind of API that let tweets be just visible)

I read it as Henson at first and was ecstatic, and so the reality for me then became pretty disappointing in comparison.
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XIII_rocks posted...

And in any case I'm now no longer sure of your stance. Earlier you said you stopped engaging him, but now you say you won't let his "slander" slide (even if it's utterly, and pathetically, selfish of you to continue). So which is it? Were you willing to let the slander go during that time, or were you engaging him when he slandered you?

he didn't slander me during the time period when i didn't engage him.

but if he slanders me i'm absolutely engaging him, yes. having mental issues doesn't give him a blank check to act like an asshole to me.
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Jakyl25 posted...

Corrik posted...

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/08/15/college-student-22-arrested-for-her-role-in-toppling-confederate-statue-in-north-carolina.html

That's what you wanted right?

I don't think anyone thought that people wouldn't get arrested. It is against the law. It was moreso a moral argument.

They definitely thought they were not getting arrested and charged with a felony.
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MY silver lining for all this is that it's given me a solid reason to bust out my RATM and Pink Floyd tunes in full glory once more.
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Check out this talking points memo the WH sent to GOP Congressmen

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHT2G8WXoAUaYfQ?format=jpg&name=large

I shouldn't be surprised at this point but god damn that ego
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Corrik posted...

They definitely thought they were not getting arrested and charged with a felony.

I had forgotten that the difference between a felony and misdemeanor vandalism charge is the cost of the damage.
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I'm still against the google guys firing but holy shit this is gold.

https://twitter.com/PHP_CEO/status/894992314690678785
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SgtSphynx posted...

Corrik posted...

They definitely thought they were not getting arrested and charged with a felony.

I had forgotten that the difference between a felony and misdemeanor vandalism charge is the cost of the damage.

Can they pay in Confederate money?
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MenuWars posted...

I'm still against the google guys firing but holy shit this is gold.

https://twitter.com/PHP_CEO/status/894992314690678785

All ideas have merit!
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...So did Wang ever explain how neo-nazis are different yet?
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Under-discussed aspect of Trump's meltdown

He think George Washington and Robert E. Lee are equally villanous to leftists because they both owned slaves

I like revolutionary war generals who DIDN'T get beaten
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Dark Young Link posted...

...So did Wang ever explain how neo-nazis are different yet?

No he can only cling to the fact his freedom of speech argument has merit and so circular logic can be consistently applied infinitely.
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Jakyl25 posted...

MenuWars posted...

I've not even seen a reason to have a problem with the counter protesters actions, like the the coverage I saw was just of them marching around peacefully, and then getting hit by a fucking car.

They did tussle with some of the angrier marchers

And they maced Baked Alaska

I haven't seen any footage of an alt-righter with a bad injury like the black guy who was beaten with metal poles by four assholes, let alone the car attack collateral

If anyone here has seen them, it's honestly probably Wang

Certainly nobody to the level of most people injured (or killed) in the car attack. That's obviously a whole other level from this, or any other clash had with antifa.

But seen some injuries here and there, sure. This isn't surprising, people were prepared for a fight. I think the most popular pic is a guy getting his head beat in by a baton by an anti "protester" as what's assumed to be an undercover cop watches. It's popular because we see a badge.

The difficulty with seeing injuries here mainly lies in them needing to be from here, not various other events.
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Not to undo any of the good will I built up by blasting Trump last topic, but you guys really haven't heard of Antifa before?

Like you just missed the part where they started violent riots in Berkley just to shut down Milo's speech? Featuring hitting some woman in the head with a pole?

Like I said, there was a time to criticize Antifa and name them and make the public aware of them. But to do it in the same breath as you're criticizing the Nazis who KILLED SOMEONE is fucking poor form.
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Dark Young Link posted...

...So did Wang ever explain how neo-nazis are different yet?

This isn't quite what you asked for, you wanted to get a rundown of the people who'd call themselves Nazis today. Some are neo Nazis and that's a pretty straightforward one - stormfront. Very little nuance needed there and not much difference. They didn't grow in the same environment but support the same ideology.

Should be on my main tomorrow and can get into this and going into detail of this rally then (also known as your continued asking me of why I say protesting this one was dumb). The two can fit together, I think.
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ExThaNemesis posted...

Not to undo any of the good will I built up by blasting Trump last topic, but you guys really haven't heard of Antifa before?

Like you just missed the part where they started violent riots in Berkley just to shut down Milo's speech? Featuring hitting some woman in the head with a pole?

Like I said, there was a time to criticize Antifa and name them and make the public aware of them. But to do it in the same breath as you're criticizing the Nazis who KILLED SOMEONE is fucking poor form.

I don't think there are many here arguing against that.
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oh I followed that and thought it was bad. I just didn't know the crappy term.
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transcience posted...

oh I followed that and thought it was bad. I just didn't know the crappy term.

They named themselves that. It's not like a Trump thing like the "alt-left" that he used today.

They've been calling themselves Antifa from the start. And they're an awful bunch of savages. Not two sides of the same coin like our President seems to think, but they're bad and anyone with any sort of intellectual bravery would denounce them.
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I'm not arguing any of that
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I've heard of people shutting down one of Milo's speeches, but no I never paid attention to the exact group who did it.


And in fairness, when a bunch of right leaning people on the internet start complaining about someone/some group en masse, I tend to assume it's yet another conspiracy theory. Birthirsm for example.

Though also to be fair, those tend to be the loud people on the right. Not the ones with sense.
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I'm not saying you are.

I just think it's funny that so many people are like "huh? Antifa what?" when they've been going around doing awful shit like planning acid attacks and starting riots since Inauguration day
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the term "antifa" has come up here often before. i get that not everyone follows these topics religiously, though.
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okay that's pushing my believability. I'd need a citation that's from a source that isn't bs.

though if it's just to wreck neonazis I might believe that
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wait I have not heard about acid attacks

link?
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

XIII_rocks posted...

And in any case I'm now no longer sure of your stance. Earlier you said you stopped engaging him, but now you say you won't let his "slander" slide (even if it's utterly, and pathetically, selfish of you to continue). So which is it? Were you willing to let the slander go during that time, or were you engaging him when he slandered you?

he didn't slander me during the time period when i didn't engage him.

but if he slanders me i'm absolutely engaging him, yes. having mental issues doesn't give him a blank check to act like an asshole to me.

Ok, so you put the debunking of even the most lacking-in-credibility (because nothing Ulti says has even the remotest credibility here) criticisms over someone else's mental health. That's fine, we've reached the fundamental disconnect. You're just that self-absorbed that you can't stand the idea that somebody nobody listens to might say stuff about you that nobody believes. And this annoys you so much, you don't care about the damage you might be doing.

You know who had a similar attitude? Swift, in the way he handled ertyu. I'm not saying ertyu and Ulti are the same, but that post was almost word for word how Swift justified himself during the ertyu thing.

And we'll ignore the longer-term solution, that being how he'd probably stop said accusations if they got absolutely no traction. That even if the whole mental health thing wasn't an issue, you'd be perpetuating his slander by continuing to debunk it.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/protester-pleads-guilty-to-conspiring-to-disrupt-deploraball-for-trump-supporters/2017/03/07/3f55f3da-0347-11e7-b1e9-a05d3c21f7cf_story.html?utm_term=.3598ac1b7284
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XIII_rocks posted...

Mr Lasastryke posted...

XIII_rocks posted...

And in any case I'm now no longer sure of your stance. Earlier you said you stopped engaging him, but now you say you won't let his "slander" slide (even if it's utterly, and pathetically, selfish of you to continue). So which is it? Were you willing to let the slander go during that time, or were you engaging him when he slandered you?

he didn't slander me during the time period when i didn't engage him.

but if he slanders me i'm absolutely engaging him, yes. having mental issues doesn't give him a blank check to act like an asshole to me.

Ok, so you put the debunking of even the most lacking-in-credibility (because nothing Ulti says has even the remotest credibility here) criticisms over someone else's mental health. That's fine, we've reached the fundamental disconnect. You're just that self-absorbed that you can't stand the idea that somebody nobody listens to might say stuff about you that nobody believes. And this annoys you so much, you don't care about the damage you might be doing.

You know who had a similar attitude? Swift, in the way he handled ertyu. I'm not saying ertyu and Ulti are the same, but that post was almost word for word how Swift justified himself during the ertyu thing.

And we'll ignore the longer-term solution, that being how he'd probably stop said accusations if they got absolutely no traction. That even if the whole mental health thing wasn't an issue, you'd be perpetuating his slander by continuing to debunk it.

Why does it matter to you if he replies to Ulti, exactly?
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ExThaNemesis posted...

Not to undo any of the good will I built up by blasting Trump last topic, but you guys really haven't heard of Antifa before?

Like you just missed the part where they started violent riots in Berkley just to shut down Milo's speech? Featuring hitting some woman in the head with a pole?

Like I said, there was a time to criticize Antifa and name them and make the public aware of them. But to do it in the same breath as you're criticizing the Nazis who KILLED SOMEONE is fucking poor form.

The way I see it, it's pretty simple:

Most protestors here were doing so peacefully and weren't antifa. If you were nonviolently protesting nazis you have done absolutely nothing wrong.

Actual antifa do some shitty things (I was not a fan of their property damage here at Berkeley), BUT they have never been on the level of fucking nazis and shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath.
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Anyway, bleugh. This isn't politics and that last post basically confirmed that you're way too egotistical to ever drop this, so whatever. There's no going back from that last post. Gonna drop this. Until next time I get annoyed by how people handle Ulti, I suppose
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Honestly 99% of the stuff I've heard about Antifa has been from Ulti/Corrik/Wang posts (Especially Ulti), so I just assumed it was some far/alt-right talking point/conspiracy nonsense label that they used to force a false equivalence/both sides do it argument whenever they got violently protested/counter-protested.

If they're actually a genuine thing, then yeah they're jackasses and shouldn't be allowed to do what they do unless they find a way to do it peacefully.

Equating them with literal nazis is still bullshit though.
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Kinglicious posted...

This isn't quite what you asked for, you wanted to get a rundown of the people who'd call themselves Nazis today. Some are neo Nazis and that's a pretty straightforward one - stormfront. Very little nuance needed there and not much difference. They didn't grow in the same environment but support the same ideology.

Should be on my main tomorrow and can get into this and going into detail of this rally then (also known as your continued asking me of why I say protesting this one was dumb). The two can fit together, I think.

...Okay then.
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ExThaNemesis posted...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/protester-pleads-guilty-to-conspiring-to-disrupt-deploraball-for-trump-supporters/2017/03/07/3f55f3da-0347-11e7-b1e9-a05d3c21f7cf_story.html?utm_term=.3598ac1b7284

Is it really fair to label an entire group with the actions of one person?

If so, then all conservatives want to go shoot up pizza shops because they believe they contain pedo rings.
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XIII_rocks posted...

Swift, in the way he handled ertyu.

I know this is off topic but.... what happened again? >_>
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StealThisSheen posted...

Is it really fair to label an entire group with the actions of one person?

If so, then all conservatives want to go shoot up pizza shops because they believe they contain pedo rings.

No one said all liberals are Antifa.

But this acid attack was a very organized plot with its strings being pulled but members of that organization. An organization that has done awful things in a lot of places around the country in the name of "fighting facism."

Like come on guys, if I can give you ground and admit to feeling upset about my Trump vote, you've gotta see why you going "Anti-who?" and scratching your heads while demanding validation of their terrible actions is frustrating to me.
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Dark Young Link posted...

I know this is off topic but.... what happened again? >_>

swift constantly harassed and bullied ertyu, basically. according to xic this is the same as me objecting when ulti slanders me.

you can think i'm an egotistical asshole but this is a false equivalency if i've ever seen one.
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Reg posted...

If they're actually a genuine thing, then yeah they're jackasses and shouldn't be allowed to do what they do unless they find a way to do it peacefully.

Nope, they're a genuine thing and considered a domestic terrorist group by New Jersey, one of the groups was kicked off patreon, and they've been attacking with smoke bombs and fireworks before. Mentioned it in the last topic but the best known one is probably former college professor Eric Clapton, who went around chucking bike locks at people's heads.


ExTha's acid attack didn't actually get to happen, though that's because they got reported to police. A few were planning it though and got arrested, though very light sentences with guilty pleas.
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I think he was more equating it to the continued engagement of someone recognized as mentally ill.

Like even though ertyu started it with Swift about 50% of the time, the honus was still on Swift to let it go because of the situations they were both in.
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So that's the third time Wang has put off his Neo-Nazi talk, right?

Also bear in mind that for the most part we just talk about antifa here in the US and the US part of it.

If we included Europe, remember the G20 last month and how many riots there were? That's the branch over there.
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tbh I have my doubts this antifa thing is legit but even if it is they're in the right imo. white supremacists and nazis don't deserve to be safe.
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ExThaNemesis posted...

Like come on guys, if I can give you ground and admit to feeling upset about my Trump vote, you've gotta see why you going "Anti-who?" and scratching your heads while demanding validation of their terrible actions is frustrating to me

A lot of times we hear it from the user equivalent of infowars, so it's easy to dismiss to the back of your mind.

But okay yeah, that acid incident was shitty, and so is any other time they tried to cause trouble.
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Zyxyz0 posted...

tbh I have my doubts this antifa thing is legit but even if it is they're in the right imo. white supremacists and nazis don't deserve to be safe.

nooooooooooooooooooooooope
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Zyxyz0 posted...

tbh I have my doubts this antifa thing is legit

wow

Zyxyz0 posted...

white supremacists and nazis don't deserve to be safe.

I don't disagree with this, but in the dozens of instances before Charlottesville, they were going around hurting everyday normal people and plotting a literal acid attack.

They were in the right this one time and you're giving them a pass on everything else. Pretty awful.
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Nope, I said I'd get to it when I get my main back a day or two ago. Also gotta get back to jakyls question too.
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I highly disagree with any form of vigilante justice that turns streets into warzones.
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ExThaNemesis posted...

I don't disagree with this, but in the dozens of instances before Charlottesville, they were going around hurting everyday normal people and plotting a literal acid attack.

They were in the right this one time and you're giving them a pass on everything else. Pretty awful.

Yeah, I agree with this. They shouldn't get a pass at all just because they targeted the right people for once.
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LtMplusCATS posted...

So that's the third time Wang has put off his Neo-Nazi talk, right?

I'm drumming my fingers in a condescending tone.

(That's what it's called right? When you tap your fingers on a table?)
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