Board 8 > Game of Thrones Season 7 - Says here 'Ragger' had 'Anal'... (SPOILERS)

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mnkboy907 posted...

Yeah, Tyrion should've spotted the guards way before getting that close.

I just wish he was humming on the way down
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I liked the episode overall, if only because it features characters making bad decisions that both make sense for them to make and are likely to screw them over in the long run. Karma houdini-ing has been one of my biggest problems with the show (Hello there Jorah), and maybe that's coming to an end. Yes, the Queen in the North thing was dumb, but Jon might actually pay for making a stupid mistake, and it's about damn time. Plus, things are feeling more and more gray now, as they should.

Worst part was Tyrion's defense of killing his father to Jamie, mostly because it made me wonder where whores go.
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I feel like Littlefinger's plan is gonna backfire because if Sansa and Arya have to have a conversation about the Lannisters and Littlefinger, they'll be able to set aside their differences and agree how much they both hate those guys.
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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

I feel like Littlefinger's plan is gonna backfire because if Sansa and Arya have to have a conversation about the Lannisters and Littlefinger, they'll be able to set aside their differences and agree how much they both hate those guys.

Yup, pretty much. LF's plans have always hinged on being able to play off his opponents' distrust of each other. If Tyrion tells Tywin about the dagger, maybe Tywin goes ham on him.

FFDragon posted...

long wolf is long

god damn it

dowolf posted...

I liked the episode overall, if only because it features characters making bad decisions that both make sense for them to make and are likely to screw them over in the long run. Karma houdini-ing has been one of my biggest problems with the show (Hello there Jorah), and maybe that's coming to an end. Yes, the Queen in the North thing was dumb, but Jon might actually pay for making a stupid mistake, and it's about damn time. Plus, things are feeling more and more gray now, as they should.

Worst part was Tyrion's defense of killing his father to Jamie, mostly because it made me wonder where whores go.

not sure if indictment on ADWD tyrion, or on the show's treatment of the jaime/tyrion/tywin episode at the end of S4/ASOS.

both are acceptable
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I'm watching the episode now

First thought midway through the episode that I've felt compelled to post:

RIP Gendry still rowing jokes
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GenesisSaga posted...

I'm watching the episode now

First thought midway through the episode that I've felt compelled to post:

RIP Gendry still rowing jokes

But what if the real Gendy IS still rowing and this Gendry is actually Jaqen pulling a long con on Arya.
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SeabassDebeste posted...

not sure if indictment on ADWD tyrion, or on the show's treatment of the jaime/tyrion/tywin episode at the end of S4/ASOS.

The latter. I actually like ADWD tyrion, though I understand why others didn't. Having a PoV character suffering severe depression was genuinely interesting to me.
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mnkboy907 posted...

GenesisSaga posted...

I'm watching the episode now

First thought midway through the episode that I've felt compelled to post:

RIP Gendry still rowing jokes

But what if the real Gendy IS still rowing and this Gendry is actually Jaqen pulling a long con on Arya.

I will be genuinely upset if this is true >_>
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There is no way Arya is actually falling into a Littlefinger trap.

She is a master assassin (or at least close to it). His ass did not sneak up on her by being 15 feet away.
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He didn't have to move, though - he just stopped moving. Harder to detect a lack of motion than to detect motion, I think.
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yeah idk arya is kinda dumb as shit sometimes - http://images.hellogiggles.com/uploads/2016/06/06060941/arya.jpg

said it before, will say again

arya is basically just cersei who grew up in different circumstances

Tag
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I'm excited that I actually get to watch two characters out-intrigue each other again a bit.

Trying to talk about the episode with some friends on Facebook.

They think the episode was "really good" and when I try and bring up my problems they're like "nice opinion you have", and "Don't know what to tell you, sorry you're not enjoying it as much as you'd like!"

What the fuck
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I bet they're all Dany fans
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tbh, many people don't really enjoy enumerating their likes and dislikes. they watch game of thrones like they'd watch a procedural, i imagine, and that's... just how it is, sometimes.
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EndOfDiscOne posted...

I bet they're all Dany fans

dany is a great person though. I know this because anyone who doesn't agree she is a great person gets burned alive.
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As ruler of the Seven Kingdoms, Dany's number one goal is to provide a safe space for her subjects. So if any subject doesn't feel safe, he should be replaced with someone who does.
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I too feel safe under constant threat of immolation.
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I get that you guys hate Dany, but come on.

She could use her dragons to destroy everything. Instead she focuses on the enemy army.

Then, after the battle, she was only going to burn one person after she gave him multiple chances to bend the knee. And I'm not convinced she wouldn't have relented and sent him to the Wall instead if Tarly wasn't a dick about it.

The 'MAD QUEEN CONFIRMED' thing is garbage. She's being completely reasonable in how she is waging this war.
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She's also not been central in the end of episode scene since episode 1, right?
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Refusing to take prisoners (in a system where prisoner exchange is one of the key components of war) in favor of immolation is in fact not reasonable.

It's the entire point of the Tirion/Varys conversation.
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Trying to talk about the episode with some friends on Facebook.

They think the episode was "really good" and when I try and bring up my problems they're like "nice opinion you have", and "Don't know what to tell you, sorry you're not enjoying it as much as you'd like!"

What the fuck

I don't really see a problem with this
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it's not that we are dany "haters" it's that you are a dany apologist

the show very clearly is portraying her actions in a morally questionable light and even has other characters discussing her problematic behavior and how they need to convince her to behave differently.

murdering prisoners is not reasonable behavior

burning them alive is insane
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Ok I mean I get the gripe but I just can't see ever being all "What the fuck" about it
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There's not going to be a Mad Queen heel turn. Just look at the difference between the shows portrayals of Stannis and Dany burning people alive. Every time Stannis is on screen it has evil music and Dany is portrayed positively even in her mistakes. You are clearly being told "be weary of this guy" about Stannis and "root for yas slay queen" about Dany.

Not trying to start some argument about Dany/Stannis, just pointing out the show is telling you what to think about the characters for a reason. Even if burning people is a mistake for Dany, it won't be her undoing or something that makes her portrayed as a villain because that isn't her path.

FFDragon posted...

Refusing to take prisoners (in a system where prisoner exchange is one of the key components of war) in favor of immolation is in fact not reasonable.

It's the entire point of the Tirion/Varys conversation.

She has no place to hold prisoners and no real army to guard them either, let alone feed them and give them water. I know the show doesn't really focus on these dynamics but they're there.

Anyway, everyone whining about Dany should just get over it, she's dead at the end of this season anyway.
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XIII_rocks posted...

Ok I mean I get the gripe but I just can't see ever being all "What the fuck" about it

The "what the fuck" is that there are somehow people discussing the show, but with no criticisms, however small.

Overall, I've enjoyed every episode this season, but I'm constantly noticing the cut corners.
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Tldr version: Dany makes mistakes to learn from them. Other characters make mistakes and die.

I don't think anyone has said dany is going to become the mad queen. we just mentioned that her behavior here was shitty, which it was.

ctrl+F seems to agree with me. only MI and yourself even used the phrase 'mad queen' before this post I'm making right now.
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I don't think her burning the Tarlys alive was supposed to be portrayed as heroic. It was quite explicitly morally questionable. Hence Tyrion/Varys talking about it

She's impatient and not completely separate from her father's genes. Her childishness is very much on display. She'd be much more villainous if we hadn't seen her freeing slaves and trying to "break the wheel" of rich crushing poor - this season is sort of cashing in the goodwill we're supposed to have for her.

I agree that saying she's just another mad king is completely over the top though
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RyoCaliente posted...

Anyway, everyone whining about Dany should just get over it, she's dead at the end of this season anyway.

nobody was whining, we were just making jokes about her unreasonable behavior. MI is the one who felt the need to try and turn it into a serious discussion about how he believes dany was being completely reasonable by burning prisoners alive.
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She isn't the Mad Queen but she did take a step in that direction when it was suggested that she do something else. I think she's a long way away from setting all her enemies on fire just for the thrill of it, but you can understand why everyone in Westeros is weary of dragons and burning enemies.

tbh, many people don't really enjoy enumerating their likes and dislikes. they watch game of thrones like they'd watch a procedural, i imagine, and that's... just how it is, sometimes.

I mentioned that I found it odd that Tyrion would wander down the stairs when there were 3 people next to Davos at the boat, 2 very obviously were guards. The response I got was "It's like a classic comedy bit where someone bumps into a vase or something and goes through all sorts of hysterical physical comedy to keep it from hitting the floor, and then gets it back on the pedastal only for someone to enter the room swinging a door into the vase, smashing it instantly".
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

XIII_rocks posted...

Ok I mean I get the gripe but I just can't see ever being all "What the fuck" about it

The "what the fuck" is that there are somehow people discussing the show, but with no criticisms, however small.

Overall, I've enjoyed every episode this season, but I'm constantly noticing the cut corners.

That's how I generally talk about it with my family. I make a joke about the teleportation and they laugh about it and move on. I really don't want to be the guy picking through everything. Both because it'd be weird and because I genuinely just don't like doing it.
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I don't really think it was morally questionable. It was immoral, no question.

I think Varys and Tyrion are wrong about it being a mistake, though. Burning regular people and soldiers who are prisoners is a mistake, but being tough on the nobility is necessary. "I'm good" is an argument for the people, "I have dragons and your title doesn't make you safe" is an argument for the nobility.

Yeah, I'm with you Cyclo - I think what Dany did is pretty evil, but it's Machivellian, too - by executing two people (and notably, turncloak nobles) in one of the most inhumane ways possible, she saves herself the trouble of taking prisoners or sending people to the Wall or having to behead guys one by one and turning them all into martyrs.

XIII_rocks posted...

That's how I generally talk about it with my family. I make a joke about the teleportation and they laugh about it and move on. I really don't want to be the guy picking through everything. Both because it'd be weird and because I genuinely just don't like doing it.

All about reading the crowd. I'm generally fairly vague on my feelings on an episode when in mixed company - despite how it seems here, I'm not usually spittle-spewing and raving when the show is brought up most of the time. 'Some decisions bothered me, but I loved the visual spectacle/plot movement' is what I usually say, unless I know I'm with super-fans who are willing/eager to engage.

neonreaper posted...

I mentioned that I found it odd that Tyrion would wander down the stairs when there were 3 people next to Davos at the boat, 2 very obviously were guards. The response I got was "It's like a classic comedy bit where someone bumps into a vase or something and goes through all sorts of hysterical physical comedy to keep it from hitting the floor, and then gets it back on the pedastal only for someone to enter the room swinging a door into the vase, smashing it instantly".

That is what it was, and that's exactly what the showrunners wanted it to evoke. But as you pointed out, that doesn't make it good TV... Gendry has to kill two dudes who are just doing their job, and Tyrion - clearly the moral compass in this episode, w.r.t. Dany at least - makes a joke about it.
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Interesting question posed:

https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/226-television-cable-and-satellite/75672451
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You may be inadvertently spoiled so tread carefully but an example of one of the guys spoiling shit for ppl on the cable board.

https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/226-television-cable-and-satellite/75672939
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MariaTaylor posted...

it's not that we are dany "haters" it's that you are a dany apologist

the show very clearly is portraying her actions in a morally questionable light and even has other characters discussing her problematic behavior and how they need to convince her to behave differently.

murdering prisoners is not reasonable behavior

burning them alive is insane

House Tarly was sworn to House Tyrell, and thus to Dany. They committed treason against the Tyrells, and against Dany. They were executed for it. That seems like pretty standard behavior as far as Westeros goes?
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No anytime Dany kills anyone it's proof she's evil.

But when it's a character they like who does it it's cool.
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I'd have an easier time accepting Daenerys's ambiguity here if it didn't feel so sloppy. The Tarlys had to be written to be too proud and stupid to live, especially Dickon, who just felt like a lazy attempt by the writers to garner sympathy when they realized everyone would be cheering if they just had her burn Tarly Sr., noted scumbag. Even for Tarly Sr., I have trouble understanding his sudden refusal to change sides given that he fought for the Targaryens in Robert's Rebellion, and his "well, at least Cersei is from Westeros" feels very flimsy. Tyrion even tries to get him to go to the Wall, and given how much Dany's been crushing on Jon Snow that probably would have flown with her, except Tarly shoots it down himself. So it's like...ok. Tough, but fair. But I am looking forward to seeing Sam's reaction. Seems like it was deliberately postponed so that it could possibly happen face-to-face?

Maybe if she had burned the random soldiers who didn't kneel too, but as-is seems like a normal day in Westeros, but with fire. Definitely not even worse than when Jon executed Janos Slynt, and people tend to applaud that.
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haters gonna bake bake bake
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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

Definitely not even worse than when Jon executed Janos Slynt, and people tend to applaud that.

My Immortal posted...

But when it's a character they like who does it it's cool.

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Also the line about "exterminating another Great House" was stupid! His wife and daughter are alive and Sam's alive and - oh my god she's going to make Sam head of House Tarly
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Corrik posted...

You may be inadvertently spoiled so tread carefully but an example of one of the guys spoiling shit for ppl on the cable board.

https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/226-television-cable-and-satellite/75672939

Thanks man I'm totally gonna go read that and spoil myself
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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

Also the line about "exterminating another Great House" was stupid! His wife and daughter are alive and Sam's alive and - oh my god she's going to make Sam head of House Tarly

It was dumb because Tarly is not a Great House.
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Dany spent 6 seasons killing people who she didn't like in the east. But she's only evil when she does it in westeros?
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EndOfDiscOne posted...

HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

Also the line about "exterminating another Great House" was stupid! His wife and daughter are alive and Sam's alive and - oh my god she's going to make Sam head of House Tarly

It was dumb because Tarly is not a Great House.

Didn't Tarly become a Great House after the Tyrells were extinguished? They'd be the lords paramount of Highgarden, right?
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