Current Events > If North Korea actually does hit Guam, should we fire back?

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I honestly think if they use a real nuke, we should send back a a few heavy payload mirvs with dummy warheads, to show the that if we get serious, they stand no chance.

Then give them about half an hour for a complete and unconditional surrender
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If they actually attack Guam, NK should no longer exist. After we are done, China can take the land and make it some special zone if they want.
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obviously yes. if we don't, Kim jong un will move on to attack the states.

this is why i hate kim jong un

The fact that you're asking this question proves you don't understand MAD. The world still exists today because our leaders have no doubt whatsoever that pushing the button is suicide.
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Bullet_Wing posted...

Yes, if Guam is actually hit with any kind of missle. I don't honestly know what should be done if they just purposely hit the water though. It's a sticky situation.

If they even fire on Guam they should be done.
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Strike back, but not with bombs. I ain't down with casualties and collateral damage.

But at the same time I don't want to endanger troops.

Idk
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uwnim posted...

If they actually attack Guam, NK should no longer exist. After we are done, China can take the land and make it some special zone if they want.

This.
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If we are attacked, then it's only right that we counter attack. That is the only time I would (and any sane person should) support an attack against NK.

Attacking before we are attacked would just be an insanely stupid move, and would make us look bad to the rest of the world (worse than we already did anyway).
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ghettoraider81 posted...

Bullet_Wing posted...

Yes, if Guam is actually hit with any kind of missle. I don't honestly know what should be done if they just purposely hit the water though. It's a sticky situation.

If they even fire on Guam they should be done.

That's dumb. Even if they purposefully miss?
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DevsBro posted...

The fact that you're asking this question proves you don't understand MAD. The world still exists today because our leaders have no doubt whatsoever that pushing the button is suicide.

With NK, our destruction is far from assured.
China is already saying they won't back then in an offensive war.
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itachi15243 posted...

heavy payload mirvs with dummy warheads

Pointless. There is no reason to fire an ICBM unless it has a nuclear payload. They're kind of expensive.

A better solution is to send a Missile Destroyer over with Tomahawks and level the fuck out of Dear Leader's fucking house.
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Of course we should. It wouldn't even be risking a "world war" NK has no allies. Even China said they're on their own if they strike first. I am not for war with NK unless they attack us, then they'll be reduced to a smoldering crater.
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Bullet_Wing posted...

Without an actual attack, a strike by us would be met with retaliation. I don't think attacking the water would suffice.

I would think even a near miss on Guam or any other US Territory would be good enough for retaliation. And China has an even more vested interest in NOT going to war with the people that buy all their cheap shit, but probably would anyway if we struck first.
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Guam is American soil so yes

If we attack first China will attack is. If North Korea attacks first China will stay out of it. Basically the people of guam are sacrificial lambs to prevent a world war

Yes we should attack back.

However it is not a long time coming. What have they done to us .
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Tezlok posted...

If we attack first China will attack is. If North Korea attacks first China will stay out of it. Basically the people of guam are sacrificial lambs to prevent a world war

This is probably the shortest and best summary of the situation I've seen yet.

Sucks to be Guam right now :/
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depends on the scale of the attack. if they actually attack us it would call for international intervention, no doubt. most of the world would be on our side

if they hit the water as a warning shot or whatever I think we should try and cool things down rather than escalate
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cjsdowg posted...

What have they done to us .

Well, there was that college student a year or two ago who was dumb enough to go there and got beat to near death, then died after we recovered him.

There's also the fact that we've lead a UN Coalition against North Korea since the Korean War started. Giving the Korean War an actual ending has been coming since the armistice.

Tezlok posted...

Basically the people of guam are sacrificial lambs to prevent a world war

If we shoot it down the missile it's a defensive reaction to an offensive action, which should still give us the right to go to war. I would think anyway. I assume Trump will discuss it with President Jinping when they meet this week.

ThyCorndog posted...

if they hit the water as a warning shot or whatever I think we should try and cool things down rather than escalate

Warning shots are offensive actions. And if their crappy missile misses they'll just say it was a warning shot as propaganda.
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I don't think we should ever retaliate with nuclear weapons - the environmental hazard to neighboring countries is too great, you just can't control the consequences of such a device.

Hexenherz posted...

I don't think we should ever retaliate with nuclear weapons - the environmental hazard to neighboring countries is too great, you just can't control the consequences of such a device.

I will give you that. We have enough Tomahawks to level their capital anyway. A nuke is reserved for if they actually hit South Korea or Japan with one. Or us, but I don't think they're actually capable of it. North Korea has a habit of being full of shit.
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Not with nukes, no. Conventional warfare, we would have no choice.

I honestly see no other choice and I don't really like that. If the U.S. sits back and does nothing after Guam is lit up, I feel N.K. will not hesitate to attack again.

The U.S. can't strike first, it will look really bad in the eyes of the rest of the world. But if N.K. does in fact strike first, they will have made their own bed and will have welcomed all of the U.S. counter strikes.

If part of the US, even a territory, is ever nuked by a state actor, the only response to complete and utter destruction of that nation.

But it is not "a long time coming". Getting nuked is the only reason to use nukes and using nukes is the only response to getting nuked.
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KILBOTz posted...

If part of the US, even a territory, is ever nuked by a state actor, the only response to complete and utter destruction of that nation.

But it is not "a long time coming". Getting nuked is the only reason to use nukes and using nukes is the only response to getting nuked.

North Korea being destroyed HAS been a long time coming. The sovereignty of that Peninsula has been contested since we booted Japan off of it in the mid-40s. And if they nuke us, we nuke them. We're really only need one nuke to make our point.
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if NK used a nuclear weapon and was not attacked back, US relationships with SK/Japan would fall apart and they would develop their own nuclear weapons and likely use them on NK in a first strike.
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Darkman124 posted...

if NK used a nuclear weapon and was not attacked back, US relationships with SK/Japan would fall apart and they would develop their own nuclear weapons and likely use them on NK in a first strike.

Even if they were unsuccessful, SK and Japan would be free to pull out of the NPT and develop their own weapons since they'd have a credible threat next to them. That line of reasoning is why Israel has never officially declared themselves a nuclear capable nation.
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We should only hit them if they hit us first.
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this is a stupid question

This song is suddenly relevant again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5S-q1gRxvw
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Crazyman93 posted...

Even if they were unsuccessful, SK and Japan would be free to pull out of the NPT and develop their own weapons since they'd have a credible threat next to them. That line of reasoning is why Israel has never officially declared themselves a nuclear capable nation.

and that is what makes their claims about guam such a viable plan.

we probably won't strike back because no one in guam will be hurt, and striking back costs the lives of millions of people in SK.

but if we don't, our alliance with japan/SK is fucked.
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Yes, because

a) Guam is part of the United States, even if not a state, and
B) We have a naval base there, too.
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Tezlok posted...

If we attack first China will attack is. If North Korea attacks first China will stay out of it. Basically the people of guam are sacrificial lambs to prevent a world war

I almost got stationed there. Instead I got sent to pearl harbor

China would never attack us. Not over N. Korea, at least.
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mustachedmystic posted...

China would never attack us.

They have told North Korea they'll defend them, so they'll defend them. One reason it was thought WWI couldn't happen was that the world's economy was so tangled between nations, you couldn't attack one nation without hurting yourself, so no one would start a war. World War I happened anyway.
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We should be taking out their missiles while they are on the launchpads.
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Crazyman93 posted...

mustachedmystic posted...

China would never attack us.

They have told North Korea they'll defend them, so they'll defend them. One reason it was thought WWI couldn't happen was that the world's economy was so tangled between nations, you couldn't attack one nation without hurting yourself, so no one would start a war. World War I happened anyway.

China is such a fucking shitty country, of course they would defend North Korea.
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Lonestar2000 posted...

We should be taking out their missiles while they are on the launchpads.

If they launch one missile, we'll probably bomb their launchpads into craters.
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Crazyman93 posted...

mustachedmystic posted...

China would never attack us.

They have told North Korea they'll defend them, so they'll defend them. One reason it was thought WWI couldn't happen was that the world's economy was so tangled between nations, you couldn't attack one nation without hurting yourself, so no one would start a war. World War I happened anyway.

Bullshit, do you really think they'd go to war with their largest trading partner, and the largest military power in order to defend the worlds most isolated state?
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mustachedmystic posted...

Crazyman93 posted...

mustachedmystic posted...

China would never attack us.

They have told North Korea they'll defend them, so they'll defend them. One reason it was thought WWI couldn't happen was that the world's economy was so tangled between nations, you couldn't attack one nation without hurting yourself, so no one would start a war. World War I happened anyway.

Bullshit, do you really think they'd go to war with their largest trading partner, and the largest military power in order to defend the worlds most isolated state?

If we attack first I do.
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If they attack a US territory, then yes we should respond.
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Saw CNN China said they would stay out of it , unless we attacked first.
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mustachedmystic posted...

Crazyman93 posted...

mustachedmystic posted...

China would never attack us.

They have told North Korea they'll defend them, so they'll defend them. One reason it was thought WWI couldn't happen was that the world's economy was so tangled between nations, you couldn't attack one nation without hurting yourself, so no one would start a war. World War I happened anyway.

Bullshit, do you really think they'd go to war with their largest trading partner, and the largest military power in order to defend the worlds most isolated state?

China doesn't want anything to do with NK and only tolerates them because their refugees would be hard to deal with.
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Crazyman93 posted...

mustachedmystic posted...

Crazyman93 posted...

mustachedmystic posted...

China would never attack us.

They have told North Korea they'll defend them, so they'll defend them. One reason it was thought WWI couldn't happen was that the world's economy was so tangled between nations, you couldn't attack one nation without hurting yourself, so no one would start a war. World War I happened anyway.

Bullshit, do you really think they'd go to war with their largest trading partner, and the largest military power in order to defend the worlds most isolated state?

If we attack first I do.

No offense, but your'e wrong. Don't bother bringing up the flood of Korean refugees that they would have to deal with, a war with America would be 100 times worse for their economy then even millions of refugees would be. And trust me, their economic health is their #1 priority.
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NK would never launch a nuke on us, while they may or may not be capable of doing so...they know that doing so would result in their complete and utter annihilation. they are all bark and no bite and these missile tests is just a dog and pony show

Coffeebeanz posted...

China doesn't want anything to do with NK and only tolerates them because their refugees would be hard to deal with.

See my reply to Crazyman, as much as a refugee crisis would hurt them, a war with the US would destroy their economy(along with most of the world's).
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Crazyman93 posted...

If they launch one missile, we'll probably bomb their launchpads into craters.

hwasong-14 is launched from a truck
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